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Deleted User 26-Nov-20 12:58 AM
per request
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MarshalMob |Mob(Mob) 26-Nov-20 12:59 AM
Where is Helghast
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 26-Nov-20 01:00 AM
Please dont
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Deleted User 26-Nov-20 01:00 AM
^
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MarshalMob |Mob(Mob) 26-Nov-20 01:00 AM
The hood lost a real one 😇
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Deleted User 26-Nov-20 01:00 AM
this is a helghast free advanced lroecrafting
until we give helghast advanced user
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MarshalMob |Mob(Mob) 26-Nov-20 01:00 AM
I subscribed for helghast-only lroecrafting chill
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Deleted User 26-Nov-20 01:01 AM
f
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 26-Nov-20 01:02 AM
Good
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Globus | Texan Dawn 26-Nov-20 01:02 AM
Is this the place where we discuss lroe trough with other lroenerds?
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Deleted User 26-Nov-20 01:02 AM
yes
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Yard1 | Equestria at War 26-Nov-20 01:03 AM
👏
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 26-Nov-20 01:03 AM
How involved were the UK in the German Confederation when it was in personal union with Hanover?
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 26-Nov-20 01:05 AM
They were an electorate iirc
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cha_rdynamics 26-Nov-20 01:05 AM
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 26-Nov-20 01:06 AM
Oh wait, German confederation
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 26-Nov-20 01:08 AM
Yeah
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MarshalMob |Mob(Mob) 26-Nov-20 01:08 AM
So, while we are here in advanced-lawcrafting, does anyone want to attach a rider to fund a war in the middle east to the "Making Orphans across the USA Smile Everyday" bill? (edited)
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Owenomaly 26-Nov-20 01:11 AM
ah, finally
advanced lroe
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Globus | Texan Dawn 26-Nov-20 01:11 AM
Does the bill include aid to a dictator?
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MarshalMob |Mob(Mob) 26-Nov-20 01:11 AM
No, but your rider can support several, how about that compromise?
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Globus | Texan Dawn 26-Nov-20 01:12 AM
Approved
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MarshalMob |Mob(Mob) 26-Nov-20 01:14 AM
Ok, the act now includes funding for orphanages across America, restoring inner city parks, funding ICBM research, improving child nutrition, and the support of one or more dictators together with funding for a military conflict in the middle east.
And off to congress it goes.
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Deleted User 26-Nov-20 01:15 AM
we need another rider
for giving money to israel
and selling some jets to the saudis
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 26-Nov-20 01:15 AM
😂👌
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MarshalMob |Mob(Mob) 26-Nov-20 01:15 AM
Oh right, forgot the formalia
Granted, 5 billion dollars in aid to israel, and the newest drones for the Saudis.
Anything to help American kids 🇺🇸
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 26-Nov-20 01:19 AM
Actually did German Confederation ever do much? I know that members helped occupying Saxe Lauenburg and Holstein during the Second Schleswig War but I don't know much else
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MarshalMob |Mob(Mob) 26-Nov-20 01:20 AM
It did announce Bundesexekution against Prussia during the Brother War
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 26-Nov-20 01:21 AM
After which it got dissolvedlmaothink
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MarshalMob |Mob(Mob) 26-Nov-20 01:21 AM
Well yes
But it did try
And Bundesexekutionen had been done multiple times before
And not gone catastrophic
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 26-Nov-20 01:27 AM
Federal executions in the German Confederation:
In 1830 against Brunswick because its Duke Charles II refused to recognise the constitution adopted under his guardian, the British King George IV. In 1834 against Frankfurt in the wake of the Frankfurter Wachensturm (English: Change of the Frankfurt guard house). The federal execution against the Duchies of Holstein and Lauenburg from 1863 because of its inclusion of Schleswig into the Danish constitution, from which the Second Schleswig War resulted. In 1866 against Prussia on the occasion of the dispute over the administration of Schleswig-Holstein. The following Austro-Prussian War for supremacy of the German Confederation led to the dissolution of the Confederation.
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MarshalMob |Mob(Mob) 26-Nov-20 01:41 AM
Yes
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True and Honest Ma Ji 26-Nov-20 01:43 AM
ITS
REAL
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Jubs 26-Nov-20 02:22 AM
Finally
Advanced lroe
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Arj | Der Burgerkrieg 26-Nov-20 03:27 AM
YES
lets go
is helghast getting access to this
he should, hes an advanced lroecrafter
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Fernando | Godspeed 26-Nov-20 03:41 AM
He is the most advanced lroecrafter
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 26-Nov-20 03:49 AM
Can you guys notsadgery
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Arj | Der Burgerkrieg 26-Nov-20 03:52 AM
@オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux why tho
give the guy the credit he deserves smh
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 26-Nov-20 03:52 AM
the entire point of this channel is keeping meme out
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Globus | Texan Dawn 26-Nov-20 03:53 AM
You're asking for something that cannot be done
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Arj | Der Burgerkrieg 26-Nov-20 03:56 AM
Helghast isnt a meme
hes god
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Globus | Texan Dawn 26-Nov-20 04:00 AM
You know
We have lroecrafting
But what about gameplaycrafting
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Arj | Der Burgerkrieg 26-Nov-20 04:01 AM
@Globus | Texan Dawn what would that encompass
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Jubs 26-Nov-20 04:01 AM
gameplay i'm imagining lmaothink
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Globus | Texan Dawn 26-Nov-20 04:01 AM
Gameplay and roasting mods for being actually bad instead of doing something fun
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Arj | Der Burgerkrieg 26-Nov-20 04:16 AM
lol
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Globus | Texan Dawn 26-Nov-20 04:23 AM
Cant deny it tho
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PrivateHazard | AR/TFR 26-Nov-20 05:24 AM
The problem is, a lot of mods are either "Realistic" or "Fun", why isn't there a realistic and Fun mod (edited)
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Globus | Texan Dawn 26-Nov-20 05:25 AM
Because the two dont go together in a game really
Especially in a game like Hearts of Iron IV
Also realism is a paradox, the way that too many hoi4 modders see it
100% realism like mods such as CBTS are actually unrealistic
Becuase it dumbs down real life crazy events
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PrivateHazard | AR/TFR 26-Nov-20 05:30 AM
well, I like having it where you can go down 100% realism path, or you can go down a wackier path
because weird shit happens all the time
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Globus | Texan Dawn 26-Nov-20 05:31 AM
Top much of one or the other isnt good
Like Red Flood France where toy choose your wacky extremist srt path with no alternatives
Or in a ton of other mods where liberal democracy is the only viable path and all others make your country suck
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PrivateHazard | AR/TFR 26-Nov-20 05:33 AM
Yeah, I agree a lot of mods don't balance it too well
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Globus | Texan Dawn 26-Nov-20 05:36 AM
But ideally
All paths should be about the same fun wise
With different benefits and weaknesses but none that make a path the clear winner
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PrivateHazard | AR/TFR 26-Nov-20 05:48 AM
Well, imo harder paths should output more to make it worth it
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Globus | Texan Dawn 26-Nov-20 05:50 AM
They should be more rewarding, it's a tradeoff
But theres a lot of things that I dont like about a lot of mods
Take Kaiserreich for example
It's a great mod
BUT
I was playing as the Kumul Khanate and doing the power struggle thing
And after the power struggle thing I discovered that I picked the most boring path
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PrivateHazard | AR/TFR 26-Nov-20 05:51 AM
oof
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Globus | Texan Dawn 26-Nov-20 05:51 AM
With no room for conquest
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PrivateHazard | AR/TFR 26-Nov-20 05:52 AM
I like Kaiserreich and what it's done for the community, but they have a "Realism" problem, I miss the wacky paths they had which made the mod so much more fun
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grestin | Pax Britannica 26-Nov-20 08:12 AM
What the fuck is this retarded shit
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Deleted User 26-Nov-20 08:13 AM
its advanced lroecrafting thats what it is @grestin | Pax Britannica
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grestin | Pax Britannica 26-Nov-20 08:13 AM
Who’s responsible for this
I’m going to kick your ass
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Deleted User 26-Nov-20 08:13 AM
As in
who made it
or who requested it
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grestin | Pax Britannica 26-Nov-20 08:13 AM
Why do we need an advanced chat for this
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Deleted User 26-Nov-20 08:13 AM
multiple people requested it
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grestin | Pax Britannica 26-Nov-20 08:13 AM
Or is this just the new unofficial shitposting channel
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Deleted User 26-Nov-20 08:13 AM
^
yes
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grestin | Pax Britannica 26-Nov-20 08:14 AM
Also fuck you if you think Kumul Khanate isn’t necessary
You’re a dumb bastard if you don’t like Kumul Khanate
It lets you have a tag for KUM
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 26-Nov-20 08:14 AM
The kumul khanate is epic
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Deleted User 26-Nov-20 08:14 AM
why have a tag for KUM when you can just have a tag for CUM? (edited)
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 26-Nov-20 08:15 AM
First nation I played I played in the update
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grestin | Pax Britannica 26-Nov-20 08:15 AM
If you can’t appreciate having a KUM tag than you can fucking leave
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 26-Nov-20 08:15 AM
Let me tel you that war sucks ass
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Seriouscraft | TGOV 26-Nov-20 08:15 AM
ah yes
advanced lroecrafting (edited)
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Deleted User 26-Nov-20 08:15 AM
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Seriouscraft | TGOV 26-Nov-20 08:15 AM
Consume the Cum Chalice
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grestin | Pax Britannica 26-Nov-20 08:15 AM
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Deleted User 26-Nov-20 08:15 AM
mfw im procrastinating to code 250 some focuses for a rework
oof
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grestin | Pax Britannica 26-Nov-20 08:16 AM
My new campaign promise is to delete this channel if elected admin
Nominations to the right please
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Deleted User 26-Nov-20 08:16 AM
no
at least I didnt do what people og asked for
make this a helghast only chat
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grestin | Pax Britannica 26-Nov-20 08:16 AM
As admin I will delete channels randomly and without asking
And also I will fax a picture of my nutsack to Johan
i need that on a professionally made poster
“GRESTIN 2021: A NUTSACK IN EVERY FAX MACHINE”
Anyway actual lroe stuff but realism is kind of irrelevant with HOI4 cause this game simulates WW2 about as well as old people fuck
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TRDario 26-Nov-20 08:36 AM
meme corner getting deleted directly led to the elitization of lorecrafting
Im crying and pissing and shitting
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 26-Nov-20 08:36 AM
Vote God-Pharaoh for admin
I brought you your meme channel
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TRDario 26-Nov-20 08:37 AM
Meme corner 2: eugenics program
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grestin | Pax Britannica 26-Nov-20 08:38 AM
We should select admin based on desirable traits
Then we use that to gradually breed the perfect admin
We can call it a genetics program
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TRDario 26-Nov-20 08:38 AM
Helghast immediately gets elected
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grestin | Pax Britannica 26-Nov-20 08:39 AM
Admins will be elected based on weight, skin oil content and lisp severity
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Seriouscraft | TGOV 26-Nov-20 09:01 AM
194 lbs (88kg), i don't know i don't know now give me admin role kthx
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MarshalMob |Mob(Mob) 26-Nov-20 10:30 AM
this man seems like a good choice
he has the ideal mod physique
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Miu(Miaob) | DMM 26-Nov-20 12:59 PM
wait i dont get it is this actually about lroe
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jav l Iron Curtain | PG 26-Nov-20 01:12 PM
But why is this a thing
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Owenomaly 26-Nov-20 01:38 PM
because sometimes I want to make actual lore without people memeing around me
This is #historical-assistance-chat for people blackpilled on interacting with the masses, really
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MrMano 26-Nov-20 02:31 PM
ok
so
i need htis
yes
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Seriouscraft | TGOV 26-Nov-20 03:28 PM
hey how did you find a picture of me
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Jubs 26-Nov-20 03:34 PM
Advanced lroe moment
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Carmain | Kalterkrieg 26-Nov-20 03:38 PM
lroe
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Miu(Miaob) | DMM 26-Nov-20 03:39 PM
lroe...
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Jubs 26-Nov-20 03:39 PM
I need advanced protrait help swf
Make it pls
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Seriouscraft | TGOV 26-Nov-20 03:48 PM
need advanced maap
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Arj | Der Burgerkrieg 26-Nov-20 05:09 PM
was hitler a good painter?
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Owenomaly 26-Nov-20 05:17 PM
nope
he was awful
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Jubs 26-Nov-20 05:18 PM
he should have just tried harder
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Owenomaly 26-Nov-20 05:18 PM
I don’t really know if that was a serious question and I don’t care
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MisterJay|Primo Victoria|Endsieg 26-Nov-20 05:21 PM
If you've seen his paintings
yeah theyre awful
Had no clue how to draw perspective
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Arj | Der Burgerkrieg 26-Nov-20 05:22 PM
shit
i was thinking of making hitler Karl's chief court artist but if hes a bad artist i guess not sadgery
who knows maybe Karl sees smth in Hitlers art that someone like MisterJay doesnt
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Mob | Mob(Mob) 26-Nov-20 05:24 PM
i mean just say he was admitted in art school and became a good artist
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MisterJay|Primo Victoria|Endsieg 26-Nov-20 05:25 PM
^^
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Jubs 26-Nov-20 05:25 PM
oh yeah, isnt that the point of art school lmaothink
to get good at art
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MisterJay|Primo Victoria|Endsieg 26-Nov-20 05:25 PM
it doesnt really matter how it was irl
imo
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Brammeke | TCS/ALD 26-Nov-20 05:25 PM
Hitler's paintings werent bad, but he certainly was either blind or like me unable to percieve depth
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MisterJay|Primo Victoria|Endsieg 26-Nov-20 05:26 PM
yeah as i said, no idea how perspective works
though he wouldve been fine at stillevens
whatever that is in english
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Brammeke | TCS/ALD 26-Nov-20 05:26 PM
like this is just horrid perspective wise
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Jubs 26-Nov-20 05:26 PM
still life?
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MisterJay|Primo Victoria|Endsieg 26-Nov-20 05:26 PM
yeah probably
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Brammeke | TCS/ALD 26-Nov-20 05:26 PM
whilst this is okay
same with this
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Mob | Mob(Mob) 26-Nov-20 05:27 PM
i mean you could base yourself on how the novel "la part de l'autre" depict hitler if he was accepted in art school
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Arj | Der Burgerkrieg 26-Nov-20 05:27 PM
lol
i see
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Jubs 26-Nov-20 05:27 PM
that first one bram posted actually looks nice
but, you know
hitler
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Arj | Der Burgerkrieg 26-Nov-20 05:27 PM
Well
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Brammeke | TCS/ALD 26-Nov-20 05:28 PM
I do have to give Hitler some credit for the ability to draw pretty detailed buildings
Its almost a architectural concept painting
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Mob | Mob(Mob) 26-Nov-20 05:30 PM
aka he get mental "help" from freud and get traumatized by war and end up turning into an expressionist and other arts style that appeared after ww1
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MarshalMob |Mob(Mob) 26-Nov-20 05:30 PM
I like the court with fountain picture
It gives me a vertigo (?) feeling
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Arj | Der Burgerkrieg 26-Nov-20 06:13 PM
lol
i can see that slightly as well
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Jubs 26-Nov-20 06:28 PM
Why call it advanced lroe
Call it “big lroe”
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Arj | Der Burgerkrieg 26-Nov-20 06:29 PM
Smh cuz were all advanced lroecrafters @Jubs
not big
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Jubs 26-Nov-20 06:29 PM
Big lroe
Well ok
I have an advanced penis
tears
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Arj | Der Burgerkrieg 26-Nov-20 06:30 PM
chill
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MarshalMob |Mob(Mob) 26-Nov-20 06:31 PM
"I'm lroecrafting, super nintendo chalmers"
kekw 2
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True and Honest Ma Ji 27-Nov-20 02:22 AM
the most advanced lroe
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MrMano 27-Nov-20 10:18 AM
ok so quick question
with the support of the polish nobility, one would be able to abolish the elective monarchy in poland lithuania no?
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TRDario 27-Nov-20 10:32 AM
Why would they abolish it
The nobles only benefitted from it
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True and Honest Ma Ji 27-Nov-20 12:08 PM
alright dudes i have a mod team of 17 strong
problem is
we discarded the mod we were working on because making lore for it was a tad bit too difficult
so, you guys got any scenarios?
ideally, the pod ain't too far off
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MisterJay|Primo Victoria|Endsieg 27-Nov-20 12:42 PM
wdym too difficult
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Oligarch Tasos | MD 27-Nov-20 01:28 PM
@True and Honest Ma Ji hmmmm perhaps a mod set in an alternate 36 where the french and american revolutions happened but failed
and basically absolutism is a thing
spain,france,prussia
germany never unites (edited)
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MisterJay|Primo Victoria|Endsieg 27-Nov-20 01:29 PM
that would still be a completely different world
i dont think thats something hes looking for
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Oligarch Tasos | MD 27-Nov-20 01:29 PM
yeah
though if i could
i would gather a team to make this mod
like i thought
so
france is absolute monarchy
britain is constitutional
all of north america is one entity
the dominion of north america
new spain is a thing
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MisterJay|Primo Victoria|Endsieg 27-Nov-20 01:31 PM
why though
the north america thing
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Oligarch Tasos | MD 27-Nov-20 01:31 PM
cuz
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MisterJay|Primo Victoria|Endsieg 27-Nov-20 01:31 PM
the point of having it divided into multiple entities is its easier to manage
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Oligarch Tasos | MD 27-Nov-20 01:31 PM
britain would colonize the inlands
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GreatIanEmpire 27-Nov-20 01:31 PM
If only that existed
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Oligarch Tasos | MD 27-Nov-20 01:31 PM
and then prob merge it
or divide it
yeah
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MisterJay|Primo Victoria|Endsieg 27-Nov-20 01:31 PM
Having the entirety of north america as a dominion would be incredibly hard to manage
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Oligarch Tasos | MD 27-Nov-20 01:31 PM
yeah
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GreatIanEmpire 27-Nov-20 01:32 PM
I thought it worked
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Oligarch Tasos | MD 27-Nov-20 01:32 PM
so prob an america divided into 3
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GreatIanEmpire 27-Nov-20 01:32 PM
I can decentralize it
Make little puppets of different regions
But idk
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Oligarch Tasos | MD 27-Nov-20 01:32 PM
like spain and france fo to war with prussia
and the UK
Russia is fucked up so they are neutral
Spain-France lose
france loses a few colonies
while spain gives up california etc
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GreatIanEmpire 27-Nov-20 01:33 PM
You talking about your mod?
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Oligarch Tasos | MD 27-Nov-20 01:33 PM
yeah
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GreatIanEmpire 27-Nov-20 01:33 PM
Sounds cool
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Oligarch Tasos | MD 27-Nov-20 01:33 PM
one i want to make
i mean i wish i could
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GreatIanEmpire 27-Nov-20 01:34 PM
You could help with mine if you wanf, its a similar divergent point
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Oligarch Tasos | MD 27-Nov-20 01:34 PM
though if i get more seasoned
with modding
i am all for it
like i can gather a team
make a server
and plan shit
also in this scenario Russia is reformist
like the empire is like a confederation
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GreatIanEmpire 27-Nov-20 01:35 PM
Sounds cool
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Oligarch Tasos | MD 27-Nov-20 01:35 PM
though not democratic
like say
tsardom of poland
etc
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GreatIanEmpire 27-Nov-20 01:35 PM
Yeah
Congress poland
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Oligarch Tasos | MD 27-Nov-20 01:35 PM
so minorities tensions would decrease
yeah that
china is under the qing
although it lost wars with japan
and republicanism is rising
which could set the stage for a collapse/coup/civil war
spain will just collapse
all of new spain gone
and a civil war
i mean this def has a shit ton of potential
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grestin | Pax Britannica 27-Nov-20 01:41 PM
What are we on about
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Oligarch Tasos | MD 27-Nov-20 01:42 PM
@grestin | Pax Britannica a potential mod i could make
basically kinda like your mod though
very different
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grestin | Pax Britannica 27-Nov-20 01:46 PM
Ah
I mean just at a glance, New World colonialism probably wouldn’t be sustainable into modernity
Although I think with Spain you could do something interesting and have them maybe try to do like a Spanish Commonwealth type deal
You never really see Spain not being an irrelevant wartorn shithole in mods which would be a change of pace (edited)
But either way if it’s a simpler POD that they’re looking for, there’s a whole list actually
@True and Honest Ma Ji
Usually any POD in modernity is going to be easier and require less long term lroe
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True and Honest Ma Ji 27-Nov-20 02:09 PM
Thanks!
I'll look into it
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True and Honest Ma Ji 27-Nov-20 03:28 PM
@Oligarch Tasos | MD not going to lie my friend
Your idea is very interesting
My mod's previous pod required us to make like
1200 years of history
Yours?
200
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Jubs 27-Nov-20 03:43 PM
Lroe
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MisterJay|Primo Victoria|Endsieg 27-Nov-20 04:08 PM
i dont really get why you guys are so interested with PODs
in my opinion, creating an interesting scenario and working back from that creating your own history is much more interesting
since you have way more freedom
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True and Honest Ma Ji 27-Nov-20 04:20 PM
Well
Huh
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GreatIanEmpire 27-Nov-20 04:48 PM
I like to think about what would happen if "X" didnt or did
i just find it cool
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TRDario 27-Nov-20 05:00 PM
So, the helghast way?
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MisterJay|Primo Victoria|Endsieg 27-Nov-20 05:01 PM
Calling it the helghast way is a funny way of saying gameplay is king and not lore
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TRDario 27-Nov-20 05:02 PM
I mean yeah I can tell that
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Seriouscraft | TGOV 27-Nov-20 05:20 PM
the two need to be equally as important tbh
many mods prioritize lore over gameplay
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MisterJay|Primo Victoria|Endsieg 27-Nov-20 05:22 PM
How do they need to be equally as important
Gameplay should always be king, since with bad gameplay playing wont be fun but with bad lore it might not make sense but playing can still be fun (edited)
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Miu(Miaob) | DMM 27-Nov-20 05:27 PM
Personally, i engineered our lore in order to explain what i want to have
and not the lore dictating what I can have
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Irish Airship Rigger 2nd Class 27-Nov-20 05:30 PM
Gameplay King gang
People come here to lead, not to read
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Miu(Miaob) | DMM 27-Nov-20 05:39 PM
it's fine in the middle of peace time, you can have a big event but...
dont fucking bother me when I'm trying to micro
Goering is on my ass already, i dont need to know about how Kiel is on fucking fire for the second time this month
and if you say "you have a pause button for a reason" I will pull an LBJ and menancingly tower over you
with my high heels
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Globus | Texan Dawn 27-Nov-20 05:48 PM
Gameplay is king IMO
It's the most important thing for a mod
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ismand2508 | Gates of Versailles 27-Nov-20 06:00 PM
Yes
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Oligarch Tasos | MD 27-Nov-20 06:53 PM
i like how red world/KR does it
basically both are equally a thing
lore/gameplay
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TRDario 27-Nov-20 07:14 PM
My mod doesn't even have lore 😎
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Brammeke | TCS/ALD 27-Nov-20 07:15 PM
Same 😎
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Arj | Der Burgerkrieg 27-Nov-20 08:40 PM
anyone here know anything about pakistan
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Irish Airship Rigger 2nd Class 27-Nov-20 08:55 PM
It's a country
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mupper | FotIC 27-Nov-20 08:55 PM
depends, which era?
Avatar Globus | Texan Dawn Gameplay is king IMO
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Omnicide101 | City of Hate 27-Nov-20 09:15 PM
Eh, honestly lore > gameplay is my design philosophy
Like obviously it shouldn't be boring (edited)
But I prefer building an interesting narrative over balanced gameplay
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Globus | Texan Dawn 27-Nov-20 09:16 PM
I disagree with that, at least for my mod. I dont want (and cant have) event simulator mods like TNO or TER and just rather have the meat of the game
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Omnicide101 | City of Hate 27-Nov-20 09:17 PM
Nah fair it boils down to personal preference
Like the reason I picked HOI4 instead of a more time period appropriate game like CK2 or EU4 is that the focus tree systems is amazing for narrative crafting
But to each their own ^^
Avatar mupper | FotIC depends, which era?
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Arj | Der Burgerkrieg 27-Nov-20 09:20 PM
well i have a muslim nation that owns like balucstan and sindh
im not sure if it will be called pakistan
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mupper | FotIC 27-Nov-20 09:20 PM
no
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Omnicide101 | City of Hate 27-Nov-20 09:20 PM
Tbf I did build this mod as an excuse to worldbuild my setting instead of writing the novel set in it so obviously I'm prioritizing lore lmao
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mupper | FotIC 27-Nov-20 09:21 PM
pakistan means punjab, afghania (northwest provinces), kashmir, sindh, and balochistan
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 27-Nov-20 09:21 PM
^
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Arj | Der Burgerkrieg 27-Nov-20 09:21 PM
Yes
so, what should it be called
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mupper | FotIC 27-Nov-20 09:22 PM
uhhhhh, let me see
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 27-Nov-20 09:22 PM
How did it came to be?
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mupper | FotIC 27-Nov-20 09:22 PM
yes, that too
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 27-Nov-20 09:22 PM
A princely state that blobed?
Islamic revolt in the raj?
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Arj | Der Burgerkrieg 27-Nov-20 09:22 PM
Long story short the raj collapses
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Globus | Texan Dawn 27-Nov-20 09:22 PM
Honestly if it owns sindh and balochistan it should probably be called Sindh if it's a princely state or republic
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Arj | Der Burgerkrieg 27-Nov-20 09:23 PM
Its led by jinnah
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mupper | FotIC 27-Nov-20 09:23 PM
agreed
>jinnah
reeeeeeeeeeeee
jinnah was a monarchist
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Arj | Der Burgerkrieg 27-Nov-20 09:23 PM
Ok, so sindh it is
Avatar mupper | FotIC reeeeeeeeeeeee
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Arj | Der Burgerkrieg 27-Nov-20 09:23 PM
well
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mupper | FotIC 27-Nov-20 09:23 PM
he supported india (and later pakistan) remaining as a dominion
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Arj | Der Burgerkrieg 27-Nov-20 09:23 PM
is that the right term
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 27-Nov-20 09:24 PM
And the pakistani baluchistan is only half of it anyways, so Sindh is probably better
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Arj | Der Burgerkrieg 27-Nov-20 09:24 PM
tru
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EstonianPolkovnik I HOI: Ash 27-Nov-20 09:24 PM
Lore Gameplay balance is best ofc. Not sacrificing either is preferable
Like cod4 tells a good story with good gameplay
In response to the discussion between globus and omnicide
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Globus | Texan Dawn 27-Nov-20 09:27 PM
Jinnah wanting India/Pakistsn to remain as a dominion doesnt really matter much if Raj colkspdrs without him, he could still be a leader but pro British
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Omnicide101 | City of Hate 27-Nov-20 09:31 PM
yeah i think everyone agrees you need both, it's just where you put the emphasis i reckon
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EstonianPolkovnik I HOI: Ash 27-Nov-20 09:31 PM
Well I'd put it on gameplay in my case
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Globus | Texan Dawn 27-Nov-20 09:32 PM
Same here
When i restructured my mod I did it entirely around gameplay
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Omnicide101 | City of Hate 27-Nov-20 09:32 PM
That's fair
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Mob | Mob(Mob) 27-Nov-20 09:32 PM
i dont think you need lore that much tbh
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EstonianPolkovnik I HOI: Ash 27-Nov-20 09:32 PM
Since I'm not really about depicting every single African tribe, which would each probably justify its own tag if I were to do it around the lore.
Like the mod had enough warlords as is
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Omnicide101 | City of Hate 27-Nov-20 09:33 PM
That kinda mod just doesn't draw me that much tbh, at that point i might as well just play risk or w/e
Compelling stories supported by solid gameplay is what draws me in the most
It's why I'm such a slut for KR
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EstonianPolkovnik I HOI: Ash 27-Nov-20 09:33 PM
But I have writers and there would be like chonker events like in TNO
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 27-Nov-20 09:34 PM
Lore should not take precedence over gameplay
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EstonianPolkovnik I HOI: Ash 27-Nov-20 09:34 PM
So you could say the gameplay of ash would be TNO Russia warlord but global (edited)
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Omnicide101 | City of Hate 27-Nov-20 09:34 PM
Eh, depends on why you're making the mod
Like I'm not here to give you a cool video game
I'm here to tell ya a story
Or well
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 27-Nov-20 09:34 PM
If you have an interesting setup, it’s okay to contort your lore around it rather than “we have to hew to the lore”
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Omnicide101 | City of Hate 27-Nov-20 09:34 PM
As many stories as there are focus trees
So if you want a super balanced setup my mod's probably not really for you lmao
But hey to each their own ^^
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EstonianPolkovnik I HOI: Ash 27-Nov-20 09:35 PM
I fucking love TNO Russia gameplay holy shit
And most warlords would be like it
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 27-Nov-20 09:36 PM
Like AotR’s America is entirely born from me reverse engineering the previous America dev’s half-assed lore into a semi-functional state
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EstonianPolkovnik I HOI: Ash 27-Nov-20 09:36 PM
Aside from the few big states like CSA and Tengris Empire
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Omnicide101 | City of Hate 27-Nov-20 09:36 PM
I haven't touched TNO tbh
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 27-Nov-20 09:36 PM
You should
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Omnicide101 | City of Hate 27-Nov-20 09:36 PM
Like the story seems amazing but the fucking GUI just bounces me off
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 27-Nov-20 09:36 PM
Russia is very fun
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EstonianPolkovnik I HOI: Ash 27-Nov-20 09:37 PM
Russia there is basically the big storytelling mixed with great gameplay
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Omnicide101 | City of Hate 27-Nov-20 09:37 PM
Yea I tried the demo a lil
It seemed fucking awesome but the goddamn graphics just hurt my eyes even with a bluelight filter on
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Retard 27-Nov-20 09:37 PM
Even if you despise TNO, you should still play it, to learn what to avoid and things that, even if you hate TNO, If you enjoy something that means it’s really good.
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EstonianPolkovnik I HOI: Ash 27-Nov-20 09:37 PM
The demo states are radically different from unified in a sense
And there was a mod for the GUi
GUi
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Omnicide101 | City of Hate 27-Nov-20 09:37 PM
Oh FUCK yes
I'll have to look that up
Honestly I haven't actually played any hoi4 in like... months
I just mod lmao
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EstonianPolkovnik I HOI: Ash 27-Nov-20 09:38 PM
Also I want a GUI artist for an art deco theme
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Mob | Mob(Mob) 27-Nov-20 09:38 PM
wait you can play hoi4 ?
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Omnicide101 | City of Hate 27-Nov-20 09:38 PM
idk sounds fake to me
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EstonianPolkovnik I HOI: Ash 27-Nov-20 09:38 PM
No
Stop trolling
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Omnicide101 | City of Hate 27-Nov-20 09:41 PM
fun fact: this entire focus tree is like 99% domestic politics. all it does in terms of foreign policy is (optionally) let you send volunteers and take three states in border conflicts lmao
still a blast to play if you're lore gang
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EstonianPolkovnik I HOI: Ash 27-Nov-20 09:42 PM
A single big tree?
I think doing crisis trees is better for lore focus mods
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 27-Nov-20 09:43 PM
One thing that’s really important is
“Gameplay” doesn’t mean the war sim stuff
If you’ve got a mechanical hook for a nation or region, that’s gameplay
Take, uhhhhh, TNO Komi
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Omnicide101 | City of Hate 27-Nov-20 09:44 PM
True
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 27-Nov-20 09:44 PM
It has two mechanical hooks: komi’s political sim stuff, and the inevitable regional unification stuff
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Omnicide101 | City of Hate 27-Nov-20 09:44 PM
Yeah the hook here is there's a revolution going on so you're basically rebuilding a country from scratch according to whichever ideology wins
All of them wholesome
Unless you don't fight the counterrevolution
In which case you go to not wholesome absolutist monarchism
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 27-Nov-20 09:45 PM
Now, is that done through a mechanic or through just clicking different responses to events
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Omnicide101 | City of Hate 27-Nov-20 09:45 PM
Events and foci, the counterrevolution is a decision ticking down
I straight up just do not have the coding skills to do new mechanics lmao
Kinda trying my hand at that now, definitely wasn't able to when I made that tree
But hey, I've had people tell me this tree is their fave
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EstonianPolkovnik I HOI: Ash 27-Nov-20 09:46 PM
Variables? Is that what you're struggling with? It's pretty easy once you get the hang of it
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Omnicide101 | City of Hate 27-Nov-20 09:47 PM
yes
variables are the bane of my existence
arrays too but to a somewhat lesser extent
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EstonianPolkovnik I HOI: Ash 27-Nov-20 09:47 PM
Like I remember when I read about variables for the first time and I was like "yes it's a powerful new system added in cornflakes but wtf is a variable"
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Edouard_Saladier | Lesitia 27-Nov-20 09:49 PM
Gameplay will always be limited to the AI being shit, which is a shame. Also, another thing is the lack of real objectives, like, taking Stalingrad doesn't give you much in game, cause the Russian supply just goes around it then. See what I mean? Taking VP should be major events, but they don't matter that much in the end.
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EstonianPolkovnik I HOI: Ash 27-Nov-20 09:49 PM
I don't think the wiki page on it does a good job in contextualising what it's for, like use the base game us senate as an example for variables and then it would be more understandable
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Omnicide101 | City of Hate 27-Nov-20 09:49 PM
Ah right
Yeah honestly I would die for a good Iron Workshop video on vars or something
I've bashed my head against the wall that is variables for weeks on end but my smooth humanities brain does not do the code lmao
I'll try again with the senate at some point
Might help me fix this damn bugged weapon silk road mechanic I've implemented with the help of the den and the coop
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EstonianPolkovnik I HOI: Ash 27-Nov-20 09:51 PM
What's CoH about?
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Omnicide101 | City of Hate 27-Nov-20 09:51 PM
Homebrew setting feudal-to-industrial fantasy total conversion mod
Basically it started out as me using modding as an excuse to worldbuild my setting instead of writing a book about it or planning my DnD campaigns lmao
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EstonianPolkovnik I HOI: Ash 27-Nov-20 09:52 PM
Lol
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Omnicide101 | City of Hate 27-Nov-20 09:53 PM
which is also why there's such a focus on lore lmao
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EstonianPolkovnik I HOI: Ash 27-Nov-20 09:53 PM
I did lore but really weird and esoteric lore at start
Like before ash I had some shitty mod that was dying
And I really let loose with the ideas
Like new Eden, a bunch of Mormons who predicted the Yellowstone eruption and went to NZ
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Omnicide101 | City of Hate 27-Nov-20 09:54 PM
hahahahaha nice
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EstonianPolkovnik I HOI: Ash 27-Nov-20 09:55 PM
I have a lore doc on livestock and what they are up to in my mod
With like different animals being covered
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Omnicide101 | City of Hate 27-Nov-20 09:56 PM
Estonian crafting lroe
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EstonianPolkovnik I HOI: Ash 27-Nov-20 09:56 PM
Wait what does feudal to industrial mean
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Omnicide101 | City of Hate 27-Nov-20 09:56 PM
oh like
EU4 timeframe basically
You start in the late medieval/early rennaisance age
You end with early industrialization
Mainly because "generic medieval stasis tolkien world" has been done to death and i want elves with guns
And also steam tanks are rad lol (edited)
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EstonianPolkovnik I HOI: Ash 27-Nov-20 09:57 PM
There aren't a lot of fantasy mods out there
That's cool
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Omnicide101 | City of Hate 27-Nov-20 09:57 PM
Thanks ^^
Yeah I know of one other mod that does a homebrew setting like we do
Other than that, there's the LOTR mod and I think there was a TES one too?
but we're quite rare haha
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EstonianPolkovnik I HOI: Ash 27-Nov-20 09:58 PM
I know those yeah
The LOTR one is like old
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Omnicide101 | City of Hate 27-Nov-20 09:58 PM
yeah
was fun though
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EstonianPolkovnik I HOI: Ash 27-Nov-20 09:58 PM
But CoH looks cool
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Omnicide101 | City of Hate 27-Nov-20 09:58 PM
anarcho-syndicalist orcommunes
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EstonianPolkovnik I HOI: Ash 27-Nov-20 09:58 PM
I'm gonna post the chicken lroe
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Omnicide101 | City of Hate 27-Nov-20 09:58 PM
give chicken lroe
Avatar EstonianPolkovnik I HOI: Ash But CoH looks cool
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Omnicide101 | City of Hate 27-Nov-20 09:58 PM
Thank you! Feel free to give it a shot, we've got an open alpha on the workshop 😄 I'd suggest the Union if you like diplomacy, Ordoria if you like war, or Holzbrenn if you like domestic politics
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EstonianPolkovnik I HOI: Ash 27-Nov-20 09:59 PM
Livestock in the wastes Although much of the world is destroyed, civilization still survives the Dark Month, and how could humanity survive without food? And because plants were not a reliable source of food for several years, we had to look towards meat. Horses Horses are not eaten, more often than not, the usefulness of horses as a tool for hunting (human and non-human alike), transportation and war outweigh their nutritional value. However, in areas where there is a serious lack of food like Nepal, those who swear by not eating humans eat horses, but they often find themselves being run down by a cannibal on a horse. Pigs Pigs are the backbone of the non-cannibalistic human diet, due to their omnivorous diet. As rats and bugs have increased their presence since the dark month, ranchers have used rats and bugs as feed for pigs. As underground farming techniques developed, pigs got a better diet. Wild boars are a menace in the wasteland and some humans use wild boars as companions. Cows Cows are also quite important in the wasteland, as they produce milk, a source of calcium, a substance that reinforces the skeleton. Cows have been farmed for a long time likr any other animal on this list, but Cows do not revert to a wild boar-like status after leaving human control. Cows are always found in ranches due to their inability to survive in the wastes, unlike the pigs. Chickens Chicken, being flightless small birds do not survive out in the wastes often, being torn down by dogs or cats. Chicken are almost always under human control. Sheep Sheep are in a similar situation to the chicken, except that sheep have more or less a timer on their life outside of human control. Their wool can overgrow and the sheep overheat when not sheared. Sheep meat is rarer than pork or beef, but is definetly not rare.
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Omnicide101 | City of Hate 27-Nov-20 09:59 PM
chicken lroe 😳
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EstonianPolkovnik I HOI: Ash 27-Nov-20 09:59 PM
Yaks Yaks are the cows of Siberia, more or less. They provide meat and milk and provide excellent carrying animals. They also are furry and can survive in the harsh cold. As Tengri's empire marches west and trade routes start slowly appearing across the Ural Mountains, the Yak begins to expand into East Europe. Goats Goats are a sight on smallholder farms, where they are important. Goats run in flocks with sheep, maximizing production per acre. Goats are rarer than most other animals, due to them being a trouble to keep fenced in. Many formerly domestic goats have regressed to being wild goats. As for the wild goat of the Middle East and Central Asia, they are thriving due to the lack of humans destroying their habitat and Tengri's Empire more or less putting an end to the chaos in the area. It is rumored that Bumin Qaghan holds a wild goat as a pet. Of course, a calmed-down one. The wild goat is expanding its habitat, mostly uninterrupted by humans inside Tengri's Empire and noticably interrupted outside it.
Alright that Yak lore is outdated
Tengris empire doesn't have turf at the Urals anymore
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Omnicide101 | City of Hate 27-Nov-20 10:00 PM
F
also uhh
And because plants were not a reliable source of food for several years, we had to look towards meat
did like only human-edible plants die?
bc iirc it takes a lot more plant calories to produce 1kg of meat food than it does to produce 1kg of plant food
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EstonianPolkovnik I HOI: Ash 27-Nov-20 10:01 PM
There was a lack of plants
And like many things were fed to pigs
From rats to cats
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Omnicide101 | City of Hate 27-Nov-20 10:01 PM
yeah fair pigs will eat everything
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EstonianPolkovnik I HOI: Ash 27-Nov-20 10:01 PM
And plants eventually came back
With farming becoming a thing
And there were remaining stockpiles of plants during the carnivore period
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Omnicide101 | City of Hate 27-Nov-20 10:02 PM
right fair
also unrelated question
but is it possible to force the game to recognize countries as majors no matter what?
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EstonianPolkovnik I HOI: Ash 27-Nov-20 10:03 PM
Idk, could stick a variable on them and refer to that variable maybe if nothing else works
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Omnicide101 | City of Hate 27-Nov-20 10:03 PM
oh yeah i can totally work around it
bc i've implemented a division limiter to tell the ai to not melt people's pc's with 2.5k elf nazi divisions
but that has caused said elf nazi land to be completely incapable of waging war lmao
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EstonianPolkovnik I HOI: Ash 27-Nov-20 10:04 PM
Give the elf Nazis a buff
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Omnicide101 | City of Hate 27-Nov-20 10:04 PM
Because they're not recognized as a major and so get 40 divisions instead of 100
I have
Plenty
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 27-Nov-20 10:04 PM
yes you can
one sec
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Omnicide101 | City of Hate 27-Nov-20 10:04 PM
oh dope thanks
although tbf they kinda fucked themselves in this situation by ousting the nazis but not being good enough at diplomacy to popularize the new regime
throwing them into a civil war without being able to get a lot of their military buffs
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 27-Nov-20 10:05 PM
set_major = yes in the country history file
in the top level scope, not inside anything else
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Omnicide101 | City of Hate 27-Nov-20 10:05 PM
pog thanks
so just like
capital = 85 set_major = yes set_oob = "ORD_1936"
?
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 27-Nov-20 10:05 PM
Doesn't seem to work from events from my memory
yes
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Omnicide101 | City of Hate 27-Nov-20 10:06 PM
(Also sorry I know this is the wrong channel but since we were talking anyway)
thanks ^^
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 27-Nov-20 10:06 PM
oh
lmaothink
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EstonianPolkovnik I HOI: Ash 27-Nov-20 10:06 PM
Lol
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Omnicide101 | City of Hate 27-Nov-20 10:06 PM
and then they declared their scripted war (which technically also is a civil war so now they're fighting two at once)
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EstonianPolkovnik I HOI: Ash 27-Nov-20 10:06 PM
The gameplay gang takes the lroe place when there are no pleb meatshields
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Omnicide101 | City of Hate 27-Nov-20 10:06 PM
lol
lmfaaoooo they're actually losing this is hilarious
like
imagine vanilla germany ousting hitler, botching the civil war so hard that they get to attacking the Dutch before finishing it, and then losing to the Dutch/Nazi two-front war
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EstonianPolkovnik I HOI: Ash 27-Nov-20 10:08 PM
Lol
But I gotta sleep
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Omnicide101 | City of Hate 27-Nov-20 10:08 PM
they are losing while having one of the strongest nations in the game as an ally mind you
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EstonianPolkovnik I HOI: Ash 27-Nov-20 10:08 PM
Gn
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Omnicide101 | City of Hate 27-Nov-20 10:08 PM
oh fair, gn!
thanks for the chat, it's been lovely 🙂
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Arj | Der Burgerkrieg 28-Nov-20 05:18 PM
does anyone have a map of chicago in the 1930s? or any idea of what it would look like?
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MarshalMob |Mob(Mob) 28-Nov-20 05:23 PM
https://chicagoinmaps.com/historicmaps.html Knock yourself out I guess
@Arj | Der Burgerkrieg
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Arj | Der Burgerkrieg 28-Nov-20 05:28 PM
thanks now time to try to see how i can make a gui map out of thisyouknowwhatimthinking
dickflattening so @MarshalMob |Mob(Mob) any ideas on how i can make this a gui map
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MarshalMob |Mob(Mob) 28-Nov-20 05:42 PM
Abstract it into basic shapes
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MrMano 28-Nov-20 05:49 PM
ok so
thoughts on shun dynasty china
The Shun dynasty (simplified Chinese: 顺朝; traditional Chinese: 順朝; pinyin: Shùn cháo), officially the Great Shun (simplified Chinese: 大顺; traditional Chinese: 大順; pinyin: Dà shùn), was a short-lived dynasty that existed during the Ming–Qing transition in Chinese history. The dynasty was founded in Xi'an on 8 February 1644, the first day of the l...
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Owenomaly 28-Nov-20 05:56 PM
nice Manchu EU4 campaign food
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True and Honest Ma Ji 29-Nov-20 09:33 AM
^
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DerDude | Roar of the Gryphon 30-Nov-20 08:18 AM
Is there an possibility that Teddy could merge with the Republicans in 1916? I have to say I don't know why he didn't in OTL, but im european so what do I know (edited)
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Deleted User 30-Nov-20 08:20 AM
what?
you mean 1912?
@DerDude | Roar of the Gryphon
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DerDude | Roar of the Gryphon 30-Nov-20 08:24 AM
As I know Taft won the preelection 1912, but why didn't they merge 1916 again when seeing that splitting votes isn't a good idea?
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Deleted User 30-Nov-20 08:26 AM
pre-election?
you mean the nomination
?
the 1916 campaign isnt that connected to 1912
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mupper | FotIC 30-Nov-20 08:27 AM
the progressive party outperformed the republicans in 1912 so if anything itd be the reverse
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Deleted User 30-Nov-20 08:27 AM
yea
and 1916 was a pretty 2 way race
vs the 4 way one in 12
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mupper | FotIC 30-Nov-20 08:27 AM
i dont think theyd re-merge though
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Deleted User 30-Nov-20 08:28 AM
However, Roosevelt later telegraphed the convention and declared that he could not accept their nomination and would be endorsing Republican nominee Charles Hughes for the Presidency. Roosevelt turned down the Progressive nomination for both personal and political reasons. He was convinced that running for president on a third-party ticket again would merely give the election to the Democrats and had developed a strong dislike for President Wilson. He also believed Wilson was allowing Germany and other warring nations in Europe to "bully" and intimidate the United States.[7][8][9]
irl the progressives tried to nominate roosevelt again
but he declined and endorsed hughes
Former U.S. Representative Victor Murdock from Kansas pushed for a ticket consisting of William Jennings Bryan and Henry Ford but nothing came of it
well this is uh, doesnt strike me as a very progressive ticket
but interesting
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mupper | FotIC 30-Nov-20 08:29 AM
wasnt bryan rather populistic?
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DerDude | Roar of the Gryphon 30-Nov-20 08:31 AM
But couldn't he realistically try to do something else instead of giving it again to Wilson?
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Deleted User 30-Nov-20 08:31 AM
bryan was a populist (edited)
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DerDude | Roar of the Gryphon 30-Nov-20 08:31 AM
Or should he only have a chance 1912
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Deleted User 30-Nov-20 08:31 AM
but that doesnt mean progressive per se
neither roosevelt or taft spoiled 1916
the canidate was hughes
and the gop was fairly united behind him
third place was the socialist party with 3%
The key state proved to be California, which Wilson won by only 3,800 votes out of nearly a million cast. If Hughes had carried California and its thirteen electoral votes, he would have won the election.
just have california vote the other way
and wilson loses
he'd have lost without the pv
but that doesnt matter
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DerDude | Roar of the Gryphon 30-Nov-20 08:33 AM
Hmm
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Deleted User 30-Nov-20 08:33 AM
alternatively have roosevelt not run in 1912
and i think the socialists would've done a good bit better
which opens up a whole other set of ideas
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DerDude | Roar of the Gryphon 30-Nov-20 08:38 AM
But when there would be no progressive party 1912, the Republicans would win then?
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Deleted User 30-Nov-20 08:38 AM
maybe?
reminder that the progressives didnt wholly take from the republicans
its def likelier
but roosevelet winning
instead of taft
as the gop nominee
would be easier
progressives didnt like taft in general
as in the ideology
the progressives cut into the socialists as well (1912 was their best year) without the progressives I think that they may win a few states or at least nevada which has some interesting ramifications, roosevelt vs wilson vs debs prob goes to roosevelt
taft vs wilson vs debs idk
taft wasnt that liked
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DerDude | Roar of the Gryphon 30-Nov-20 08:42 AM
Then, how many terms would roosevelt serve, only a third, or could he go down the FDR way of trying to get reelected till he dies
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Deleted User 30-Nov-20 08:42 AM
he could easily go down the fdr route
i could see him wanting that
i think he planned to og run in 1920
but died first but his death i thought was linked to some of his foriegn safari adventure things
without that he may live longer
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DerDude | Roar of the Gryphon 30-Nov-20 08:44 AM
Yes, but would he run for the 1920 election when he was president 1912, I mean 1920 is where that mod starts
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Deleted User 30-Nov-20 08:44 AM
ii could see it
he'd def run in 1
16
if he won in 12
imo
should also be remember that with these elections
you really need to look at the state votes for making plausible maps
as the pv is going to always be dem friendly due to the south basically having a one party system
like in 16 there is a bunch of counties in the south where Wilson won 100%
there is also the issue that hughes was rather bad as a canidate and uniquely is the only supreme court justice to ever be a party nominee
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DerDude | Roar of the Gryphon 30-Nov-20 08:51 AM
Interesting
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Deleted User 30-Nov-20 08:52 AM
yea, he made several blunders during the campaign and attacked wilson mainly from the right
which was just a fairly poor idea
the larger bit
is
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DerDude | Roar of the Gryphon 30-Nov-20 08:53 AM
Thank you 4 your advice
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Deleted User 30-Nov-20 08:53 AM
do you want america to intervene
in ww1 or not
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DerDude | Roar of the Gryphon 30-Nov-20 08:53 AM
So
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Deleted User 30-Nov-20 08:53 AM
as roosevelt and hughes would've joined much earlier
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DerDude | Roar of the Gryphon 30-Nov-20 08:53 AM
Ww1 don't happen in my scenario
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Deleted User 30-Nov-20 08:53 AM
ah ic
that changes a lot
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DerDude | Roar of the Gryphon 30-Nov-20 08:54 AM
Ye
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Deleted User 30-Nov-20 08:54 AM
1916 was heavily about ww1 mobilization etc
yea hughes prob wouldnt be the nominee
you could have the republican party die
and roosevelt win in 16
on the progressive party
defeating wilson for his re-election attempt
wouldnt be the first time a party died in the two party system
the other major thing is
without ww1
the various laws and red scare that really hurt the socialist party never occur
so they'd still be a relevant political force
(they managed to get double digits in 1912+1916 in some states)
you could have hughes win still similar to otl with this and then have the backlash make the socialists be a possibly potent third party going into the 1920 elections and 1918 midterms
even if its just short term its possible (See the populist party's brief congressional gains and national prominence in the 1890s)
1910s+1920s are a pretty interesting time in american politics you also ofc got the second rise of the klan which got pretty popular nationwide in the 1920s which is smth you may want to look into as its pretty relevant
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True and Honest Ma Ji 30-Nov-20 10:21 AM
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EstonianPolkovnik I HOI: Ash 30-Nov-20 11:35 AM
Photoshop him shooting some hoops in the NBA
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the trash man 30-Nov-20 12:47 PM
Tno memes border on big chungus level to what you’d typically see included in a “mentality of a potential mass shooter” first year anthro case study
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mupper | FotIC 30-Nov-20 12:51 PM
lmfao
youre right though
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the trash man 30-Nov-20 12:55 PM
1 year ago a speer hoodie would have gotten you in trouble with the adfl and naacp
Wait, they still do
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mupper | FotIC 30-Nov-20 12:58 PM
heydrich bruh
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Elflonch | Every Fucking Mod 02-Dec-20 04:42 PM
i love thatphotoshop, it looks really natural
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the trash man 02-Dec-20 10:16 PM
Is there even an alternative?
(Spoiler, their isn’t)
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Irish Airship Rigger 2nd Class 03-Dec-20 12:19 AM
I didn't even realise it was photoshopped
👆 2
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 03-Dec-20 12:20 AM
^
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Jubs 03-Dec-20 12:34 AM
Where photoshop
Show me what changed
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 03-Dec-20 12:35 AM
I don't think anyone can tell without having seen the original. Great work
Besides the smudgy watermark remnants
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True and Honest Ma Ji 03-Dec-20 02:05 AM
thanks for the feedback, dudes!
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Azhadron | CSS and EoTS Dev 03-Dec-20 03:20 AM
wait what
is that a photoshop
lol
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True and Honest Ma Ji 03-Dec-20 04:04 AM
why would schoerner
meet sukarno of all people
that is the question for today's advanced lroecrafting session
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Azhadron | CSS and EoTS Dev 03-Dec-20 04:19 AM
i have no idea
maybe he escaped nazi germany i dunno (edited)
but that photoshop looks damn convincing
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Miu(Miaob) | DMM 03-Dec-20 11:20 AM
Idk
Maybe he converted
Wait
SHIT THIS PERFECT
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EstonianPolkovnik I HOI: Ash 03-Dec-20 11:39 AM
@True and Honest Ma Ji
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Elflonch | Every Fucking Mod 03-Dec-20 02:53 PM
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ϟplendor ϟolis 03-Dec-20 06:39 PM
I had an idea for a mod, it would be like post-apocalyptic city states but set on Russian Ob river
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True and Honest Ma Ji 04-Dec-20 02:11 AM
ay dudes
so i'm making a mod which entails the aftermath of a zombie apocalypse which broke out in ww2
and there are a lot of warlords
so far, i only made 2
remnants of the POA and Nazi-fundamentalist "monastic" order
you guys got some more ideas?
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Globus | Texan Dawn 04-Dec-20 02:13 AM
Do the zombies still exist?
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True and Honest Ma Ji 04-Dec-20 02:14 AM
most of them are dead
the ones alive are in isolated areas where they won't get get by vengeful humans (edited)
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Globus | Texan Dawn 04-Dec-20 02:14 AM
They should still be alive IMO and have a chance of winning again
Or
another idea
You can have the mod start out with the zombie apocalypse
But the tide has been turned
So you can have the new warlords form in the wake of the fall
And governments collapse during it
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True and Honest Ma Ji 04-Dec-20 02:16 AM
well that will definetely require less lore than before
but how would i simulate the zombies themselves?
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Kennedy 04-Dec-20 02:16 AM
high manpower but no equipment
and no org
make the like the chinese basically
but worse
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True and Honest Ma Ji 04-Dec-20 02:18 AM
wouldn't that just make them trivial enemies, no? Since human divisions will always win each battle and will kill enough to negate the amount of humans lost?
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Globus | Texan Dawn 04-Dec-20 02:18 AM
Hmm
I think the divisions for zombies should just be shitty
instead of some gimmick
that could be abused
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Irish Airship Rigger 2nd Class 04-Dec-20 02:19 AM
have them require no equipment
but have low stats
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 04-Dec-20 02:19 AM
Even WWII artillery will easily shred zombies
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True and Honest Ma Ji 04-Dec-20 02:20 AM
maybe each country in the vacinity of the zombie horde wipll get
terrible events regarding infection
and divisions will spawn in their nations
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 04-Dec-20 02:20 AM
And people died from artillery don't make good zombies
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Kennedy 04-Dec-20 02:21 AM
you could make them have really high equipment capture ratio
but they cant make any (edited)
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Irish Airship Rigger 2nd Class 04-Dec-20 02:23 AM
Why would the Zombies use equipment?
Unless they're like I am legend vampires
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True and Honest Ma Ji 04-Dec-20 02:27 AM
for the sake of them being (edited)
a tough enemy to crack
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Irish Airship Rigger 2nd Class 04-Dec-20 02:59 AM
You just change the stats of the unit then
make them have super high morale and lose it slowly
with high soft damage
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True and Honest Ma Ji 04-Dec-20 03:00 AM
i see
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Sol Inherent 04-Dec-20 10:40 AM
why would you build a mod centered around one global enemy with the current state of AI lol
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Fernando | Godspeed 04-Dec-20 11:12 AM
It perfectly simulates the movie military scenario
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Sol Inherent 04-Dec-20 11:13 AM
yes who doesnt know about american zombies redeploying and shuffling to asia
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Deleted User 04-Dec-20 11:14 AM
Yes, the great strategic and tactical genius of the mindless undead
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Fernando | Godspeed 04-Dec-20 11:16 AM
I'm more talking about strategic prowess of the countless nations militaries whom have managed to not stop the infection from reaching above one digit in numbers.
Because they all got redeployed to Burma and now are losing all their equipment to attrition
zoop
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ϟplendor ϟolis 04-Dec-20 04:29 PM
@True and Honest Ma Ji I think you and me should collaborate
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Sol Inherent 04-Dec-20 08:20 PM
no
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True and Honest Ma Ji 05-Dec-20 05:25 AM
No what
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True and Honest Ma Ji 07-Dec-20 08:20 PM
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ismand2508 | Gates of Versailles 07-Dec-20 10:48 PM
What?
Creepy fellow
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True and Honest Ma Ji 08-Dec-20 02:47 AM
@ismand2508 | Gates of Versailles it's the
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True and Honest Ma Ji 08-Dec-20 03:45 AM
nostalgia critic
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ismand2508 | Gates of Versailles 08-Dec-20 03:53 PM
Eery
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MisterJay|Primo Victoria|Endsieg 08-Dec-20 03:57 PM
he looks like that pic from slenderman
kekw 2
or some other horror game i cant remember
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Erwin | CiD 08-Dec-20 09:16 PM
man looking like a Russian sleep experiment victim
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 08-Dec-20 09:23 PM
He gets experimented on so you don’t have to
lmaothink 1
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TRDario 08-Dec-20 10:11 PM
that's a damn good photoshop, never stops being hilarious even after like 2 years of seeing it (edited)
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Arj | Der Burgerkrieg 08-Dec-20 10:24 PM
I thank #advanced-lroecrafting for helping me write this event
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MisterJay|Primo Victoria|Endsieg 08-Dec-20 11:31 PM
lmaothink
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Irish Airship Rigger 2nd Class 09-Dec-20 05:17 PM
Anyone know some potential Trotskyites in the 60s, extra points if you know any who if the Stalinist purges didn't happen would still be around?
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Deleted User 10-Dec-20 12:29 AM
Ill try looking tonight
any specific region ones?
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Irish Airship Rigger 2nd Class 10-Dec-20 01:11 AM
All of the Soviet republics @Deleted User
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mupper | FotIC 10-Dec-20 01:12 AM
varlam shalamov
russian
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True and Honest Ma Ji 11-Dec-20 11:26 AM
Happy Degrelle
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Globus | Texan Dawn 11-Dec-20 06:06 PM
Shit non-lore modders say
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Brammeke | TCS/ALD 11-Dec-20 06:14 PM
veryhumorous
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Jubs 11-Dec-20 06:30 PM
veryhumorous
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Arj | Der Burgerkrieg 11-Dec-20 07:25 PM
veryhumorous
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Globus | Texan Dawn 11-Dec-20 07:27 PM
veryhumorous
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EstonianPolkovnik I HOI: Ash 11-Dec-20 08:12 PM
veryhumorous
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Seriouscraft | TGOV 11-Dec-20 08:32 PM
veryhumorous
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TRDario 11-Dec-20 09:22 PM
veryhumorous
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Azhadron | CSS and EoTS Dev 11-Dec-20 09:35 PM
veryhumorous
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the trash man 11-Dec-20 10:17 PM
praying
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Arj | Der Burgerkrieg 11-Dec-20 10:59 PM
cursed
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Retard 12-Dec-20 01:30 AM
blursed
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 12-Dec-20 01:36 AM
salute
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Jubs 12-Dec-20 01:37 AM
lots of lroe happening here
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Magical Chicken | MD, BE 12-Dec-20 03:04 AM
We need to give Helghast access to this channel, lroe just isn't the same without him.
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 12-Dec-20 03:15 AM
Problem with a PoD back to the end of the Napoleonic Wars: Can't tell if Britain would return the Cape Colony to the Netherlands because it can't use Belgium as compensation as in real life lmaothink
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Arj | Der Burgerkrieg 12-Dec-20 03:55 AM
thank you!
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EstonianPolkovnik I HOI: Ash 12-Dec-20 07:48 AM
thank you!
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True and Honest Ma Ji 12-Dec-20 09:39 AM
how much LSD do you need to lore efficienctly?
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 12-Dec-20 09:40 AM
kek
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EstonianPolkovnik I HOI: Ash 12-Dec-20 03:30 PM
LSD is diminishing returns
just do anything that is local to your area for lroe
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MarshalMob |Mob(Mob) 12-Dec-20 04:18 PM
HOI4 modders stating a release goal at the beginning of development like
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True and Honest Ma Ji 12-Dec-20 06:52 PM
what if i know more foreign history than local/national history
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EstonianPolkovnik I HOI: Ash 12-Dec-20 06:56 PM
learn national industry
no
not industry
learn that too
but history
and i meant drugs
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True and Honest Ma Ji 12-Dec-20 07:01 PM
OHHHH
hahahahahahah
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 13-Dec-20 05:25 AM
Where did Great Britain import grain from before the Corn Laws? The wiki only vaguely links it to regions affected by the Napoleonic Wars
With the advent of peace when the Napoleonic Wars ended in 1815, corn prices decreased, and the Tory government of Lord Liverpool passed the 1815 Corn Law (officially An Act to amend the Laws now in force for regulating the Importation of Corn, or the Importation Act 1815, 55 Geo. III c. 26)[15] to keep bread prices high. This resulted in serious rioting in London.[16]
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cha_rdynamics 13-Dec-20 09:31 PM
Hello I was wondering what would would be better
A Cold war mod that has the US more stronger
A cold war mod that has the soviets more stronger
A cold war mod with more non-aligned power? idk
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MisterJay|Primo Victoria|Endsieg 13-Dec-20 09:35 PM
ngl all of them seem boring
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cha_rdynamics 13-Dec-20 09:35 PM
Do you have any ideas for potential scenarios?
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MisterJay|Primo Victoria|Endsieg 13-Dec-20 09:36 PM
no, but you shouldnt care about what others think you should do what you find interesting
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cha_rdynamics 13-Dec-20 09:36 PM
Yeah that's true
Just nothing is triggering for me
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Brammeke | TCS/ALD 13-Dec-20 09:36 PM
Just do whatever you feel comfortable and seems fun for you to do
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 14-Dec-20 01:00 AM
Did Spain go bankrupt at any point in the 19th century?
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Dogs231 14-Dec-20 05:48 AM
@cha_rdynamics in my opinion
the problem with the "cold war with one side stronger" idea is that it doesn't really (edited)
work
At that point there would have to be a significant power imbalance for it to be sufficiently different from otl without any direct changes to how Europe develops in the immediate post-war (edited)
at which point it's not really a cold war
a cold war sort of required an amount of equal footing
both scenarios could work on their own but
it wouldn't be a cold war anymore
that's not to say you can't have a cold war where one side does well and the other does less well but
You'd need a way to make it sufficiently fun for a player
It's no fun if say
The U.S is too powerful
because then they just curb stomp all the Soviet proxies
and there's no competition
I recommend approaching the scenario from a perspective of building the world first
deciding how you want the world to be
etc
but that's just my opinion and I'm sure others have better advice to give
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True and Honest Ma Ji 14-Dec-20 08:15 AM
the most advanced lroe
Avatar True and Honest Ma Ji the most advanced lroe
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GreatIanEmpire 14-Dec-20 08:22 AM
what is that from
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Deleted User 14-Dec-20 08:22 AM
Real life
The Biafra War @GreatIanEmpire
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GreatIanEmpire 14-Dec-20 08:25 AM
wow
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MarshalMob |Mob(Mob) 14-Dec-20 12:54 PM
>Vatican City Sabaton-TheLastStand.mp3
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MisterJay|Primo Victoria|Endsieg 14-Dec-20 01:01 PM
Ding dong ding dong ding dong ding dong
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Magical Chicken | MD, BE 14-Dec-20 08:22 PM
Oof the supporting belligerents are nearly as confused as 2017 Libya.
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 15-Dec-20 06:32 AM
So how do you guys write lores for mods that have a PoD in the 19th century or earlier?
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Kennedy 15-Dec-20 06:32 AM
i tried
its really really hard
you need to set rules
imaginary people and whatever
and then
create your starting setup and work backwards
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 15-Dec-20 06:33 AM
^
I’ve had an idea brewing for a while, it’s been on the backburner in recent months, but basically you work backwards
Start with themes and gameplay setups, then build the lore around what you want to achieve
A lot of times you see people only focus in on lore or gameplay, but thematic setup is also very important. Your goal is to set up a conflict, so you need to create conflict of some sort
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Kennedy 15-Dec-20 06:35 AM
^^^
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 15-Dec-20 06:37 AM
KR’s theme is new vs old (the international, which are “ahead of their time” to us, versus the Germans and the entente who are quite literally the old regimes of Europe), TNO’s is the new order versus reality (set up with the cataclysmic failure of the Nazi regimes in the pregame), etc
If you don’t have a real metanarrative reason for things to happen, then there’s no real substance
Luhr doesn’t add anything but flavor, people have to want to do something. This is accomplished through the themes and how they’re expressed to and through the player
A lot of mods can do with having their lore bent in order to have the themes be more present. As an example, post-apocalyptic mods shouldn’t start with pre-extant nations having already reformed - rather, they should be divided into numerous statelets, so the theme of rebuilding can be manifested via the player reuniting the given nation
A synthesis of theme, gameplay, and lore
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 15-Dec-20 06:48 AM
And what if the retcon ran into a hard wall? just push the PoD back further?
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 15-Dec-20 06:57 AM
What do you mean by that?
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 15-Dec-20 07:15 AM
Like there's a PoD and there's a desired scenario in the ~1930s, but at some point we discovered that the PoD wasn't far back enough to accommodate the desired ~1930s
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 15-Dec-20 07:21 AM
Why? You’ll have to be more specific, this seems more like an individual issue rather than a generalized one
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MrMano 15-Dec-20 07:23 AM
oh yeah for me my mods pod is in the 1550s so honestly just work backwards
its a lot easier
creating a starting setup and building on it from there gives you more breathing room to justify why things are as such
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 15-Dec-20 07:25 AM
A failed mod I worked on was trying to have Bismark assassinated (which he survived historically) and the Two Sicilies uniting Italy
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 15-Dec-20 07:27 AM
That seems more like poor planning than anything else
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 15-Dec-20 07:28 AM
😂
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 15-Dec-20 07:28 AM
I’m assuming this is the 1866 attempt?
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 15-Dec-20 07:28 AM
I think so
The guy was from Hesse or something iirc
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 15-Dec-20 07:28 AM
Because it’s, uh, a little late for two Sicilies to be doing anything then
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 15-Dec-20 07:29 AM
Yeah that's what I told the owner
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 15-Dec-20 07:30 AM
Personally I don’t think pods should be steadfast rules (my dominion over AotR’s new world is indicative of that), but again, deviations from history should serve a thematic point
In this example, changing who unites Italy is basically a cosmetic change unless it’s a core part of the mod, in which case I have to wonder how Bismarck dying plays into that core
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grestin | Pax Britannica 15-Dec-20 11:08 AM
A POD should be an excuse to do cool, interesting shit
Deviations from history should be done to serve gameplay and create interesting scenarios and conflicts while still maintaining a degree of plausibility
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MisterJay|Primo Victoria|Endsieg 15-Dec-20 11:10 AM
eh
plausability is overrated as fuck
butterfly effect would mean even a pod of like 5 years would be an entirely different world even with a small change
like even IRL, you could've had Hitler die in the 44 july plot by sitting 5 cm closer to the bomb, and Germany mightve aligned themselves with the allies and an allied-soviet war might happen
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EstonianPolkovnik I HOI: Ash 15-Dec-20 11:15 AM
i believe i have the earliest POD 270 million years ago
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grestin | Pax Britannica 15-Dec-20 11:15 AM
What I mean is that you can very easily do whatever you want by just extrapolating trends from the beginning of the POD
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EstonianPolkovnik I HOI: Ash 15-Dec-20 11:15 AM
but it starts affecting the world in 1825
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Seriouscraft | TGOV 15-Dec-20 11:15 AM
wha-
what's the change 270 millions year ago?
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EstonianPolkovnik I HOI: Ash 15-Dec-20 11:15 AM
270 million years ago
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Alien spacecraft lands on earth, beginning to build up storage and research bases.
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grestin | Pax Britannica 15-Dec-20 11:16 AM
The biggest thing IMO is making the world not feel static
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Seriouscraft | TGOV 15-Dec-20 11:16 AM
true
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grestin | Pax Britannica 15-Dec-20 11:16 AM
Like a lot of early HOI4 mods just sort of assumed that everything would stay the same from the POD
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EstonianPolkovnik I HOI: Ash 15-Dec-20 11:17 AM
i think something cool to add to the lore would be that the alien shit exits on our earth but we jsut havent found it yet i think that would be some cool nightmare fuel
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EstonianPolkovnik I HOI: Ash 15-Dec-20 11:17 AM
i remember when i "butterflied" miklos horthy into being a politician in the USA
in my old mod
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grestin | Pax Britannica 15-Dec-20 11:17 AM
But IMO the best way to do mod worldbuilding is to look at what the trends and forces are at the time of the POD, and then take those to their logical conclusion and see how that changes things
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MisterJay|Primo Victoria|Endsieg 15-Dec-20 11:18 AM
yeah thats exactly my problem with them
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Seriouscraft | TGOV 15-Dec-20 11:19 AM
i remember one very old mod where i was a playtester in called "Project Wilson", it was supposed to be a world where all of Wilson demands after the WW1 peace was accepted
but thinking about it now, it wasn't very in depth
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grestin | Pax Britannica 15-Dec-20 11:19 AM
Oh shit yeah PW was how I got started lmao
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MisterJay|Primo Victoria|Endsieg 15-Dec-20 11:19 AM
does sound interesting though
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Seriouscraft | TGOV 15-Dec-20 11:19 AM
because okay, Germany is democratic but like, Hungary was the hotspot for fascism
and it just feeled like you're playing Germany again, but with Horthy
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grestin | Pax Britannica 15-Dec-20 11:20 AM
Like, if you were to make a mod about the French Revolution, for example
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Seriouscraft | TGOV 15-Dec-20 11:20 AM
yes me too lmao
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grestin | Pax Britannica 15-Dec-20 11:20 AM
You could look at the social trends, the politics of that time period, and think about what’s the logical end stage of this
Because a different French revolution or lack thereof would create a totally alien political landscape
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mupper | FotIC 15-Dec-20 11:21 AM
yeah
this so much
mods where the french revolution didnt happen often get even something as simply as ideologies wrong
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Seriouscraft | TGOV 15-Dec-20 11:21 AM
that's why i hate mods with the "Oh man Paris Commune taking over France"
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grestin | Pax Britannica 15-Dec-20 11:22 AM
Which is why I also kind of dislike it when people create ideologies that end up being reskins of OTL stuff
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Seriouscraft | TGOV 15-Dec-20 11:22 AM
because the Paris Commune was never meant to be a real revolution
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mupper | FotIC 15-Dec-20 11:22 AM
like socialism and marxism likely wouldnt exist
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grestin | Pax Britannica 15-Dec-20 11:22 AM
Although it’s really hard to create “original” ideologies
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mupper | FotIC 15-Dec-20 11:22 AM
liberalism would be the "far-left" (likely at most centre-left in irl terms) ideology
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Seriouscraft | TGOV 15-Dec-20 11:22 AM
It's like in Red Flood ideology of "Accelerationism" or whatever
but it was bad
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grestin | Pax Britannica 15-Dec-20 11:23 AM
Accelerationism is less of an actual ideology in RF and more just an excuse to put weird people in power
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mupper | FotIC 15-Dec-20 11:23 AM
i remember hearing from a few people that rf belarus is bizarre
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Seriouscraft | TGOV 15-Dec-20 11:23 AM
RF in general is bizarre
and not in a good way
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grestin | Pax Britannica 15-Dec-20 11:23 AM
You can also do deliberately dumb shit with ideologies like me like just reusing Victoria 2 ideologies lmao
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EstonianPolkovnik I HOI: Ash 15-Dec-20 11:24 AM
RF is a meme though
like its a parody basically
of the WW1 mods
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grestin | Pax Britannica 15-Dec-20 11:24 AM
I made an entire ideology around Vicky 2 Jacobin rebels
I actually do like RF ngl
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Seriouscraft | TGOV 15-Dec-20 11:25 AM
for a short period of time i was a dev it, i didn't enjoyed my stay here
It's the only mod i've worked that i've had this feeling
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grestin | Pax Britannica 15-Dec-20 11:25 AM
I had a former RF dev come in a while back who wanted us to totally overhaul our GFX and ideologies
Dude was really hellbent on changing Neo-Imperialism to something “catchier”
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Oligarch Tasos | MD 15-Dec-20 11:26 AM
KX is also shit (edited)
it turns KR to RF
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Seriouscraft | TGOV 15-Dec-20 11:26 AM
like, every other mod i've worked it, when left it i was like, a bit sad
but RF i was fucking happy to quit
Anyway, this isn't ranting time cuz i hate it
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grestin | Pax Britannica 15-Dec-20 11:27 AM
Fair
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EstonianPolkovnik I HOI: Ash 15-Dec-20 11:27 AM
anyway
would germany, if it won WW1, call its "international alliance" made out of puppet states mitteleuropa? like a counter to a pseudo-NATO?
like the lore behind this is (edited)
1918 The USA founds the League Of Nations with the exile governments of Belgium, Netherlands, Luxembourg and France and Norway.
>
Germany founds the Mitteleuropa with its colonial empire.
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This course of events brings about fears of a “Looming War” between the USA and Germany.
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China, fearing The Far East United Duchy, begins aligning towards the League Of Nations, but because it’s surrounded by German forces, it is unable to directly join the LoN.
would it be mitteleuropa though if germany says it isnt a bunch of puppet states
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grestin | Pax Britannica 15-Dec-20 11:29 AM
Mitteleuropa was meant to be more of an economic union iirc
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EstonianPolkovnik I HOI: Ash 15-Dec-20 11:29 AM
hm
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Oligarch Tasos | MD 15-Dec-20 11:29 AM
wait
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EstonianPolkovnik I HOI: Ash 15-Dec-20 11:29 AM
did the germans plan anything similar to it though
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Oligarch Tasos | MD 15-Dec-20 11:29 AM
MEP was gonna be a real thing (edited)
like
mitteleuropa
was it like planned or something
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grestin | Pax Britannica 15-Dec-20 11:30 AM
Mitteleuropa (pronounced [ˈmɪtl̩ʔɔʏˌroːpa]), meaning Middle Europe, is one of the German terms for Central Europe. The term has acquired diverse cultural, political and historical connotations.The Prussian vision of Mitteleuropa was a pan-Germanist state-centric imperium, an idea that was later adopted in a modified form by National Socialist ge...
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Oligarch Tasos | MD 15-Dec-20 11:30 AM
oh i see
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grestin | Pax Britannica 15-Dec-20 11:31 AM
“The ruling political elites of Germany accepted the Mitteleuropa plan during World War I while drawing out German war aims and plans for the new order of Europe.[15] Mitteleuropa was to be created by establishing a series of puppet states whose political, economic and military aspects would be under the control of the German Reich.[18] The entire region was to serve as an economic backyard of Germany, whose exploitation would enable the German sphere of influence to better compete against strategic rivals like Britain, the United States.”
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Oligarch Tasos | MD 15-Dec-20 11:31 AM
ah i see (edited)
so germany would drain the client states dry (edited)
of everything
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grestin | Pax Britannica 15-Dec-20 11:31 AM
Mitteleuropa was, from my understanding, more intended to be a system for economic exploitation of German puppet states after WW1
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Oligarch Tasos | MD 15-Dec-20 11:32 AM
yup
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EstonianPolkovnik I HOI: Ash 15-Dec-20 11:32 AM
hm
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Oligarch Tasos | MD 15-Dec-20 11:32 AM
basically like manchuria
which was
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EstonianPolkovnik I HOI: Ash 15-Dec-20 11:32 AM
so MEP would still exist but what would be a military-political alliance
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grestin | Pax Britannica 15-Dec-20 11:32 AM
Not necessarily as brutal as the Japanese, I imagine
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Oligarch Tasos | MD 15-Dec-20 11:32 AM
integrated with japan economically
yes indeed
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grestin | Pax Britannica 15-Dec-20 11:32 AM
You could call the alliance whatever you want tbh
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Oligarch Tasos | MD 15-Dec-20 11:32 AM
though this was more due to kishi.
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EstonianPolkovnik I HOI: Ash 15-Dec-20 11:32 AM
wouldnt count it out germans saw the balts atleast as a slave people at that point
and estonians
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Oligarch Tasos | MD 15-Dec-20 11:33 AM
guy literally built a whole system of exploitation
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grestin | Pax Britannica 15-Dec-20 11:33 AM
Well, I mean, I wouldn’t expect a German unit 731 is what I mean
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EstonianPolkovnik I HOI: Ash 15-Dec-20 11:33 AM
oh
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Oligarch Tasos | MD 15-Dec-20 11:33 AM
well yeah lmao
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EstonianPolkovnik I HOI: Ash 15-Dec-20 11:33 AM
well that yeahõ
*yeah
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Oligarch Tasos | MD 15-Dec-20 11:33 AM
Nobusuke Kishi (岸 信介, Kishi Nobusuke, 13 November 1896 – 7 August 1987) was a Japanese politician who was Prime Minister of Japan from 1957 to 1960. He is the maternal grandfather of Shinzo Abe, twice prime minister from 2006 to 2007 and 2012 to 2020. Known for his brutal rule of the Japanese puppet state Manchukuo in Northeast China in the 1930...
though
what if japan won
like this guy
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grestin | Pax Britannica 15-Dec-20 11:34 AM
Although honestly Germany’s track record in Namibia doesn’t paint a good picture of how they’d treat “lesser” groups
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Oligarch Tasos | MD 15-Dec-20 11:34 AM
would do whatever he wanted at china
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grestin | Pax Britannica 15-Dec-20 11:34 AM
Kishi left totally unopposed would likely kill hundreds of thousands of people
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mupper | FotIC 15-Dec-20 11:35 AM
yeah
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Oligarch Tasos | MD 15-Dec-20 11:35 AM
well
we see what he is
in TNO.
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mupper | FotIC 15-Dec-20 11:35 AM
plus i feel like a lot of the wehrmacht people historically would still end up coming around
or at least a portion of them would still end up becoming relatively high-ranking within a german imperial military system
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grestin | Pax Britannica 15-Dec-20 11:36 AM
Imperial Germany would be better than the Nazis, but only because they likely wouldn’t be actively perpetuating a full blown Generalplan Ost
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mupper | FotIC 15-Dec-20 11:36 AM
yeah
there would likely still be war crimes all over
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grestin | Pax Britannica 15-Dec-20 11:36 AM
No doubt
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Oligarch Tasos | MD 15-Dec-20 11:37 AM
well it would also be a democracy
kinda
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Seriouscraft | TGOV 15-Dec-20 11:37 AM
"democracy"
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Oligarch Tasos | MD 15-Dec-20 11:37 AM
yeah
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mupper | FotIC 15-Dec-20 11:37 AM
imperial germany was about as democratic as modern regimes like azerbaijan and such
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Oligarch Tasos | MD 15-Dec-20 11:38 AM
like imperial japan
which had 'democracy'
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mupper | FotIC 15-Dec-20 11:38 AM
imperial japan was its own strange beast
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Oligarch Tasos | MD 15-Dec-20 11:38 AM
yup
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EstonianPolkovnik I HOI: Ash 15-Dec-20 11:38 AM
they would likely atleast attempt to bring back serfdom atleast in some form or another, i would imagine.
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mupper | FotIC 15-Dec-20 11:38 AM
i'd say if anything germany's would be closest to, say, jordan or bahrain or pre-2010s morocco
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EstonianPolkovnik I HOI: Ash 15-Dec-20 11:39 AM
like baltic germans still would live there
atleast descendants of those who kept serfs
and some more nationalistic types would want serfs back
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Oligarch Tasos | MD 15-Dec-20 11:39 AM
yeah
pluis
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Seriouscraft | TGOV 15-Dec-20 11:39 AM
wait serfdom back?
🤔
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Oligarch Tasos | MD 15-Dec-20 11:39 AM
the kaiser could appoint a military cabinet
so 'democracy' can go like that
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EstonianPolkovnik I HOI: Ash 15-Dec-20 11:40 AM
yeah, baltic germans only lost it in 1810/1819, but the natives had to work the land and buy the land from the serfholders
1810 in north estonia and 1819 in south estonia and latvia
this is from a livonian perspective, idk about the rest of east europe
also by the end of the ww1, didnt the military basically control germany?
and if germany wins it, even more so?
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 15-Dec-20 10:49 PM
(Mexico and Canada are placeholders for British and Spanish control)
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Globus | Texan Dawn 15-Dec-20 10:59 PM
Probably not
Slavery was a huge issue
In fact it probably would have been provoked earlier
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 15-Dec-20 11:03 PM
Due to the lack of free states I mean
Slave states -Texas Free states -Michigan Wisconsin Minnesota California
Were Federalists anti-slavery? With a not-so-well War of 1812, maybe they will remain relevant in New England (all Free States)
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Globus | Texan Dawn 15-Dec-20 11:10 PM
Federalists didnt really care about slavery but they definitely didnt want to restrict or abolish it as a unified entity
They probably could shift towards anti slavery
If they survive
A lot of Antebellum political thought was that slave states HAD to be at least half of all states
Or else there would be an imbalance
And when that imbalance was deemed inevitable they took matters into their own hands
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 15-Dec-20 11:11 PM
The alternate war of 1812 resulted in the recognition of a native American buffer state in Michigan Territory and a border set at 46 Parallel North (as opposed to 49 IRL)
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 15-Dec-20 11:13 PM
Why does the us have Oregon
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 15-Dec-20 11:13 PM
War of 1812 wasn't a complete disaster for USA, only a limited defeat
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Globus | Texan Dawn 15-Dec-20 11:15 PM
I doubt the UK would be so submissive towards Oregon but that's up to you in how it would look like
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 15-Dec-20 11:15 PM
In this alternate version, the border was set much more southwards than the historical one https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_1818
The Convention respecting fisheries, boundary and the restoration of slaves between the United States and the United Kingdom, also known as the London Convention, Anglo-American Convention of 1818, Convention of 1818, or simply the Treaty of 1818, is an international treaty signed in 1818 between the above parties. This treaty resolved standing...
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Globus | Texan Dawn 15-Dec-20 11:15 PM
As that area was disputed
What happens to Aroostok (Madawaksa)
That could be cemented as Bri'ish
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 15-Dec-20 11:16 PM
Oh right the tip of Maine, forgot about it
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 15-Dec-20 11:26 PM
The civil war in relation to US expansion is interesting
It certainly complicated things, but they weren’t mutually exclusive
Slave owners were fervent supporters of US expansion below the parallel, as compared to us expansion in the north
Davis for example wanted to annex vast swaths of what is now northern Mexico when he was in congress during the war
We can retroactively say that the civil war was an inevitability, but that’s a very deterministic view of events. Some sort of conflict over slavery was inevitable, but there is no guarantee it would be attached to secession or even spiral into violent conflict at all
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 15-Dec-20 11:31 PM
Yeah Brazil ended their slavery peacefully, but it took until the 1880s
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 15-Dec-20 11:32 PM
It’s worth noting the Spanish had a claim on Oregon too
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 15-Dec-20 11:32 PM
I know
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 15-Dec-20 11:33 PM
I really should get around to formalizing a map of my alt hist scenario. Maybe when I get a functional computer
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 15-Dec-20 11:33 PM
But here they were still wrecked by Napoleon, but an earlier end to the war in 1813 allowed Spain and Britain to send their troops to America
And historically, Mexican independence was achieved when loyalist army defected after learning that a liberal revolution happened back home, and the resulting country was an empire lead by a former loyalist general
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 15-Dec-20 11:35 PM
The independence of the Spanish colonies is a fascinating subject in of itself
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Jubs 15-Dec-20 11:35 PM
Cucked america is always good to see tears
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 15-Dec-20 11:35 PM
But the independent Mexico was economically weak and became easy prey for the US
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 15-Dec-20 11:36 PM
Worth noting that if some sort of otl-esque civil war occurs, Britain would be far more invested in supporting the traitors south than otl, and Spain in supporting the US
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 15-Dec-20 11:41 PM
Also if New Spain remained in Spanish control, the South American revolutionary states would probably stick around longer (or forever) due to a more pressing common threat
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 16-Dec-20 12:27 AM
And there could be a separate Dominion of Columbia with a much bigger British Columbia
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mango 16-Dec-20 02:29 AM
American domination of mexico was primarily supported by the south, it was not a wholey popular policy, specially in the north. The balance of free and slave states was going to be maintained no matter what as both sides both saw benefits in the balance rather than domination.
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 16-Dec-20 05:09 AM
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 16-Dec-20 05:18 AM
Damn these regions look horrible
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Globus | Texan Dawn 16-Dec-20 05:28 AM
Finally need something here. Does anyone know of any fitting left wing politiocians in the South that could be active during the thirties? I need something for a concept atm
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Fernando | Godspeed 16-Dec-20 05:28 AM
Huey Long
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Globus | Texan Dawn 16-Dec-20 05:33 AM
Don't want him to be a leader st the start
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 16-Dec-20 05:34 AM
Give me a sec, I remember doing some research on this
James Ford is an obvious option
There’s not many white politicians who fit the bill though
Depends on how left you need
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Globus | Texan Dawn 16-Dec-20 05:42 AM
Kinda left @The Glorious God-Pharaoh
I'm exploring the possibility of a
Well
different CSA
So people can be more radicalized if needed
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 16-Dec-20 05:42 AM
wholesome 100 south is blursed
oh hm
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Globus | Texan Dawn 16-Dec-20 05:43 AM
So at least progressive OTL I would say
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 16-Dec-20 05:45 AM
what states are in the csa
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Globus | Texan Dawn 16-Dec-20 05:46 AM
The usual suspects, except for Texas
But texas ITTL is very different so anybody there could be living somewhere else
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 16-Dec-20 05:48 AM
From a cursory search
Sam Rayburn and Estes Kefauver
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Globus | Texan Dawn 16-Dec-20 05:49 AM
Rayburn works
Kefauver is a bit young
Marion Butler (May 20, 1863 – June 3, 1938) was an American politician, farmer, and lawyer. He represented North Carolina in the United States Senate for one term, serving between 1895 and 1901. At the time, he was a leader of the North Carolina Populist Party. He also affiliated with the Democratic Party and the Republican Party at different po...
I came across this guy too
I do want the leader to be something of a Lenin figure
Lenin figure as in the stroke
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Deleted User 16-Dec-20 05:52 AM
this wouldnt be for my current reworks
but uh anyone got any thoughts on if Vito Marcantonio had managed to win re-election in 50 or win the nyc mayorship and 51, butterfly his heart attack death in 54 and somehow get higher office?
Vito Anthony Marcantonio (December 10, 1902 – August 9, 1954) was an Italian-American lawyer and politician who served East Harlem for seven terms in the United States House of Representatives.For most of his political career, he was a member of the American Labor Party, believing that neither major party supported the interests of the working c...
this guy
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Arj | Der Burgerkrieg 16-Dec-20 05:56 AM
yooo what you got against huey?
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Globus | Texan Dawn 16-Dec-20 05:57 AM
Well
I do want to include him
Just not at the beginning
I just want people in the South that were somewhat left wing dickflattening
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mango 16-Dec-20 06:04 AM
John Milliken Parker, Sr. (March 16, 1863 – May 20, 1939), was an American Democratic politician from Louisiana, who served as the state's 37th Governor from 1920 to 1924. He was a friend and admirer of U.S. President Theodore Roosevelt.
nice southern folk
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Globus | Texan Dawn 16-Dec-20 06:15 AM
Ooh, he could definitely play a part
@The Glorious God-Pharaoh Lemme know if you find that Southern thing, I could definitely use it
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True and Honest Ma Ji 16-Dec-20 06:57 AM
Donkey Kong Country Israeli Embassy Bonny, Nigeria +61 422 487 997 https://maps.app.goo.gl/9cVGBUYyUwwYrN827
★★★★★ · Corporate office · Bonny
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True and Honest Ma Ji 16-Dec-20 03:42 PM
the deepest lroe...
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Globus | Texan Dawn 16-Dec-20 03:43 PM
Let's not shitpost here. I do want this to be a cleaner version of lroecrafting
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True and Honest Ma Ji 16-Dec-20 03:44 PM
ssss
sad
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Globus | Texan Dawn 16-Dec-20 03:44 PM
You always have #lroecrafting to shitpost
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True and Honest Ma Ji 16-Dec-20 03:44 PM
i'll move to lroecrafting
yeah
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Jubs 16-Dec-20 03:44 PM
globus end aotw youknowwhatimthinking
i want the funny role!!!
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Globus | Texan Dawn 16-Dec-20 03:44 PM
Yes, it will end today
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Boomer 17-Dec-20 05:32 AM
Is this a good channel for me to ask for feedback for my own mod's WIP lore? tempurion
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 17-Dec-20 05:32 AM
yes
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Boomer 17-Dec-20 05:33 AM
I will need to do a second pass of my proposal since there's been a lot of work but once it's done I will let yall see it
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Kennedy 17-Dec-20 05:33 AM
you mean lroe?
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Boomer 17-Dec-20 06:53 AM
Ah yes
Lroe
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Boomer 17-Dec-20 07:35 AM
This is the world map, so far. We wanted to focus on making the American situation make sense primarily since that's the focus of the mod. That being, The Business Plot was real and Smedley Butler marched on DC to set up a "Fascist" America. However he's non-compliant and is actively trying to implicate the Cabal that put him up to the coup. In order for a Semi-Authoritarian America to even last ~3 years, we have the Soviets beating the Poles in their war, Germany falling to Chaos after the Beer hall putsch succeeds. A civil war breaks out in Germany leading to a Spartan Germany supported by the Soviets and a split Netherlands. The 'Allies' support the Rhine uprising that happens / they occupied the Rhine during the civil war. Middle East is due to further "allied" support during the Russian Civil War. A failed Turkish revolution and the necessity for a military base in the region leads to the American Armenian Mandate, the Straits mandate and independence movements in the caucuses supported by the "allies". This also benefits america due to Baku oil field investments.
We're not sure what to do with China yet, but I was hoping for a Soviet backed government in exile they want to install for World Revolution.tm. A Soviet-Japan war would break out over Manchuria which Japan could be supported by the League of Nations, but if they do so, China will get pissed and go Anti-LoN. There's going to be a Second American Civil War that is the Catalyst for nearly all of the conflicts of the world since America was holding the LoN together, and Democracies and Fascist elements in the LoN would fight for supremacy within the organization before it ultimately disintegrates and they end up at war with themselves, giving Red Germany an opening for a European Socialist Union There's definitely a Red German - Soviet split regarding the Polish lands they both share, but they won't be attacking each-other (at least I don't think they will, depends on balance and lore really.) Any feedback is greatly appreciated. I'm open to suggestions but I am not changing the main divergence of Red Scare > March on Rome > March on D.C. Thanks fam.
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StalloneisminOneCountry 17-Dec-20 07:38 AM
I feel like the Beer Hall Putsch needs to majorly improved/ "buffed" in order for it to succeed. What makes this timeline's coup different? Is it more organized?
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Boomer 17-Dec-20 07:39 AM
It definitely is up to be changed, but the idea was German reactionaries freak out when the Soviets start showing up at their border. That and it's an easy way to get rid of the Nazis freerealestate
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Kennedy 17-Dec-20 07:39 AM
Its Smegma Butler actually
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Boomer 17-Dec-20 07:39 AM
Ligma Balls
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Kennedy 17-Dec-20 07:40 AM
Before I started modding a friend of mine sent me an old KR meme with Smedly Butler renamed as Smegma and has been in my head ever since
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Boomer 17-Dec-20 07:46 AM
Lol
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 17-Dec-20 08:05 AM
Is Nicaragua Canal viable with the same tech as Panama Canal?
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 17-Dec-20 08:15 AM
More difficult but not impossible
Nicaragua was one of three posited locations for a canal, the other two being Tehuantepec and Nicaragua. Tehuantepec was unfeasible, and Nicaragua was costlier compared to panama
@Boomer you still haven’t added in Japanese Port Arthur
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Boomer 17-Dec-20 08:50 AM
I must have uploaded a old version monkaS . Japan still has port Arthur
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grestin | Pax Britannica 17-Dec-20 09:00 AM
Nicaragua Canal is based
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Jubs 17-Dec-20 02:46 PM
I wonder why you’d say that grestin blursed
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Kennedy 19-Dec-20 06:22 AM
this would make half the hoi4 modding community cum immediately i think
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CryptoX 19-Dec-20 06:25 AM
Fucking wehraboos
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mango 19-Dec-20 06:28 AM
mfw when oxygen supply is breached due to poking it with spike on helmet
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 19-Dec-20 06:35 AM
lmao I didn't even realize it's german
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mango 19-Dec-20 06:51 AM
Latvian space program
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 19-Dec-20 06:52 AM
Hungarian space program
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 19-Dec-20 07:13 AM
That’s what first came to mind for me as well
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 19-Dec-20 07:14 AM
laughthonk
but that space pickelhaube
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Seriouscraft | TGOV 19-Dec-20 11:12 AM
French space Program
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Globus | Texan Dawn 19-Dec-20 11:13 PM
Anybody know if Mexico had names for areas in the northern of their country before the USA took it all? It's kind of hard to find unique names there, especially if a third of the country was just named "California"
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 19-Dec-20 11:24 PM
In New Spain they were the Internal/Interior Provinces but that’s not really a good name
It’s anachronistic but Aztlán works
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 19-Dec-20 11:30 PM
Not in any source that I can find
But IMO just go around the area on google map, find any spanish sounding place name and wiki when they were founded
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MisterJay|Primo Victoria|Endsieg 19-Dec-20 11:31 PM
New phillipines lmao
Oof
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 19-Dec-20 11:32 PM
I mean they have a new Mexico when Mexico is just next door lmaothink
kekw 2
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 19-Dec-20 11:32 PM
The correct name for Texas - New Philippines
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Jubs 19-Dec-20 11:32 PM
no new asturias
truly cursed
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 19-Dec-20 11:33 PM
Slightly better map mostly because the names aren’t overlapping
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Jubs 19-Dec-20 11:34 PM
pog PR on da map
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Globus | Texan Dawn 19-Dec-20 11:34 PM
I found my new name for Mexican Texas
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Jubs 19-Dec-20 11:34 PM
Texican Mexas
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Arj | Der Burgerkrieg 19-Dec-20 11:51 PM
Ew
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Globus | Texan Dawn 19-Dec-20 11:51 PM
Well, you'll still be under the USA actually
Uhh
Houstonoid
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Arj | Der Burgerkrieg 19-Dec-20 11:52 PM
Like Dallas is any better laughthonk
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Globus | Texan Dawn 19-Dec-20 11:52 PM
We dont have hurricanes
We have tornadoes
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 19-Dec-20 11:53 PM
Shouldn't Texas stay Texas
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Globus | Texan Dawn 19-Dec-20 11:53 PM
The best natural disaster
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 19-Dec-20 11:53 PM
Since that's the common name and official name most(?) of the time?
Avatar オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux Shouldn't Texas stay Texas
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Globus | Texan Dawn 19-Dec-20 11:53 PM
Texas is split in the mod this is for
So I dont want Texas and Tejas right together
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Arj | Der Burgerkrieg 19-Dec-20 11:54 PM
Republic of the Rio Grande
If it’s in the south
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 19-Dec-20 11:55 PM
The American bit wouldn’t be called Texas at all
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Globus | Texan Dawn 19-Dec-20 11:55 PM
I got country names in the bag
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 19-Dec-20 11:55 PM
where di you split it
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Jubs 19-Dec-20 11:55 PM
tayjas
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 19-Dec-20 11:55 PM
The name comes from a spanish corruption of a Native American word
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Globus | Texan Dawn 19-Dec-20 11:56 PM
Yup ik
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 19-Dec-20 11:56 PM
It came to refer to the region, then the X version came to refer to non-Spanish settlers
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Globus | Texan Dawn 19-Dec-20 11:56 PM
Texas is split from east of the Brazos roughly
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Arj | Der Burgerkrieg 19-Dec-20 11:56 PM
Oh
So like, Houston and Dallas are on the American side then
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 19-Dec-20 11:57 PM
The point being, if Texas is never split in the alternate timeline, the area would be called something else and not considered part of Texas
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Globus | Texan Dawn 19-Dec-20 11:57 PM
Not Dallas, but Houston (which probably wont be named Houston) (edited)
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Arj | Der Burgerkrieg 19-Dec-20 11:57 PM
I thought the brazos went wayyy to the west of Dallas
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Globus | Texan Dawn 19-Dec-20 11:58 PM
i said roughly (edited)
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Arj | Der Burgerkrieg 19-Dec-20 11:58 PM
Ah
Yea that’s fair
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 19-Dec-20 11:58 PM
map please 😂
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Globus | Texan Dawn 19-Dec-20 11:58 PM
so it doesn't follow the entire river, but cuts up after a distance
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 19-Dec-20 11:58 PM
I don't know any of these rivers
Avatar オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux map please 😂
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Arj | Der Burgerkrieg 19-Dec-20 11:58 PM
Just know Texas geography
It’s quite interesting
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 19-Dec-20 11:58 PM
no
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Globus | Texan Dawn 19-Dec-20 11:58 PM
Ignore the state names, I havent changed all of them yet
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 19-Dec-20 11:59 PM
👌
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 19-Dec-20 11:59 PM
>deseret
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Arj | Der Burgerkrieg 19-Dec-20 11:59 PM
Lol
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Jubs 19-Dec-20 11:59 PM
i love small texas
haram 2
i really like the sabine r border
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Arj | Der Burgerkrieg 19-Dec-20 11:59 PM
Leave
You have just insulted the best state
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Globus | Texan Dawn 20-Dec-20 12:00 AM
^
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 20-Dec-20 12:00 AM
False
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Arj | Der Burgerkrieg 20-Dec-20 12:00 AM
I get your a jealous lousianaian
But still
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Jubs 20-Dec-20 12:00 AM
>>>> texas >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> best state
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Globus | Texan Dawn 20-Dec-20 12:00 AM
Yes.
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Jubs 20-Dec-20 12:00 AM
i didnt know #advanced-lroecrafting was the comedy club
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 20-Dec-20 12:00 AM
The best state is DC, it’s so great it doesn’t even need to be a state
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EstonianPolkovnik I HOI: Ash 20-Dec-20 12:00 AM
Midwest is best since it had the largest Finno-Ugric population iirc
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Arj | Der Burgerkrieg 20-Dec-20 12:00 AM
What did you think it was
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 20-Dec-20 12:00 AM
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EstonianPolkovnik I HOI: Ash 20-Dec-20 12:01 AM
Coop has #lorecrafting
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Globus | Texan Dawn 20-Dec-20 12:01 AM
yea but thats the mod im reworking...
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EstonianPolkovnik I HOI: Ash 20-Dec-20 12:01 AM
Plaza has #developer-requests (edited)
..
Burgundy has rodomo
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Arj | Der Burgerkrieg 20-Dec-20 12:01 AM
Wait is this Versailles?
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Globus | Texan Dawn 20-Dec-20 12:01 AM
Yep
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Arj | Der Burgerkrieg 20-Dec-20 12:01 AM
Explaining the disgusting Mexico
How dare they steal texas
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Globus | Texan Dawn 20-Dec-20 12:02 AM
Sadly I didn't make the rules
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EstonianPolkovnik I HOI: Ash 20-Dec-20 12:02 AM
Why the states gotta have Africa borders though
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Jubs 20-Dec-20 12:02 AM
you mean blessed mexico
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EstonianPolkovnik I HOI: Ash 20-Dec-20 12:02 AM
Like that's a line
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 20-Dec-20 12:02 AM
Based and epic Mexico
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Globus | Texan Dawn 20-Dec-20 12:02 AM
The old state borders were based off of provincial borders of Mexico
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 20-Dec-20 12:02 AM
Avatar The Glorious God-Pharaoh Based and epic Mexico
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Globus | Texan Dawn 20-Dec-20 12:02 AM
I made mexico even bigger too (edited)
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Jubs 20-Dec-20 12:02 AM
oh really
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 20-Dec-20 12:03 AM
Show
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Arj | Der Burgerkrieg 20-Dec-20 12:03 AM
Nice
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Globus | Texan Dawn 20-Dec-20 12:03 AM
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Arj | Der Burgerkrieg 20-Dec-20 12:03 AM
Hot AF
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 20-Dec-20 12:03 AM
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 20-Dec-20 12:03 AM
>florida
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Jubs 20-Dec-20 12:03 AM
based based based based (edited)
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 20-Dec-20 12:03 AM
previewn't
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 20-Dec-20 12:03 AM
That’s some concentrated basedness
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Arj | Der Burgerkrieg 20-Dec-20 12:03 AM
What happened
Did they lose 1812 (edited)
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Jubs 20-Dec-20 12:03 AM
but yes florida is based
too based
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Globus | Texan Dawn 20-Dec-20 12:03 AM
The Adam-Onis treaty doesnt happen
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Jubs 20-Dec-20 12:03 AM
delete the basedness
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EstonianPolkovnik I HOI: Ash 20-Dec-20 12:04 AM
The states would evolve though The borders were like that due to limited control Or is that actually the old states and you are remaking them
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Arj | Der Burgerkrieg 20-Dec-20 12:04 AM
Oh between Spain and the USA
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Globus | Texan Dawn 20-Dec-20 12:04 AM
Old states that I am reworking
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Arj | Der Burgerkrieg 20-Dec-20 12:04 AM
Hm that does makes sense
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 20-Dec-20 12:04 AM
Wait
What’s that green thing in Honduras (edited)
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Globus | Texan Dawn 20-Dec-20 12:04 AM
Poyais
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Arj | Der Burgerkrieg 20-Dec-20 12:04 AM
YES (edited)
the best nation
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 20-Dec-20 12:05 AM
....what?
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Jubs 20-Dec-20 12:05 AM
the what
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Arj | Der Burgerkrieg 20-Dec-20 12:05 AM
They actually decided to make poyais
Basically
This dude
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Globus | Texan Dawn 20-Dec-20 12:05 AM
what
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Arj | Der Burgerkrieg 20-Dec-20 12:05 AM
Created a fake nation as a money laundering scheme
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Globus | Texan Dawn 20-Dec-20 12:05 AM
General Gregor MacGregor (24 December 1786 – 4 December 1845) was a Scottish soldier, adventurer, and confidence trickster who attempted from 1821 to 1837 to draw British and French investors and settlers to "Poyais", a fictional Central American territory that he claimed to rule as "Cazique". Hundreds invested their savings in supposed Poyaisia...
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Jubs 20-Dec-20 12:05 AM
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Globus | Texan Dawn 20-Dec-20 12:05 AM
Because the UK turns to shit it becomes real
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 20-Dec-20 12:05 AM
Brother moment
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Arj | Der Burgerkrieg 20-Dec-20 12:05 AM
But In TGOV he actually makes it due to the british economy
It’s quite godly
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EstonianPolkovnik I HOI: Ash 20-Dec-20 12:06 AM
Burgsys poyais path when
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Arj | Der Burgerkrieg 20-Dec-20 12:06 AM
Genius lroecrafting
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 20-Dec-20 12:06 AM
Why’s Deseret in Texas though
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Arj | Der Burgerkrieg 20-Dec-20 12:06 AM
I think he needs to change state name
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Globus | Texan Dawn 20-Dec-20 12:06 AM
Ye
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 20-Dec-20 12:06 AM
Is that just a state name jumble or is it ultracursed Mormon texans
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Globus | Texan Dawn 20-Dec-20 12:07 AM
I reused states from the USA
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Arj | Der Burgerkrieg 20-Dec-20 12:07 AM
But what should Houston be called
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Globus | Texan Dawn 20-Dec-20 12:07 AM
Arjistan
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EstonianPolkovnik I HOI: Ash 20-Dec-20 12:07 AM
El Houston
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Jubs 20-Dec-20 12:07 AM
arj style portrait
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 20-Dec-20 12:07 AM
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EstonianPolkovnik I HOI: Ash 20-Dec-20 12:07 AM
What's an arj style portrait
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Jubs 20-Dec-20 12:07 AM
only real gs know what arj style is
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 20-Dec-20 12:07 AM
Kirby
The name should be Kirby
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Jubs 20-Dec-20 12:08 AM
poyo
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 20-Dec-20 12:08 AM
The vore creature?
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EstonianPolkovnik I HOI: Ash 20-Dec-20 12:08 AM
Hook me up with a portrait
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Jubs 20-Dec-20 12:08 AM
look dont shit talk kirby (edited)
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 20-Dec-20 12:08 AM
Or the historical American diplomat(?)
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Arj | Der Burgerkrieg 20-Dec-20 12:08 AM
One sec
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Jubs 20-Dec-20 12:08 AM
man's ok in smash ult
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Arj | Der Burgerkrieg 20-Dec-20 12:08 AM
Lemme get my guide
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EstonianPolkovnik I HOI: Ash 20-Dec-20 12:08 AM
Only real mfs have made a portrait of a dinosaur
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 20-Dec-20 12:08 AM
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Globus | Texan Dawn 20-Dec-20 12:08 AM
Chapman, TX
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 20-Dec-20 12:08 AM
Is Kirby actually a common surname
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 20-Dec-20 12:08 AM
Chapman and Allen sound boring so Kirby
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Arj | Der Burgerkrieg 20-Dec-20 12:08 AM
after many tries, i have finally published my first portrait guide: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DHQMzm5wHoIntvT-xdAdsCJOcdTNeIHTmr4gFFwYfEk/edit
Hey guys, this is Arj! Today I will be showing my guide for portraits. We will be doing Attaturk today. To remove the background, use remove.bg: Now we can colorize. Open your paint.net and start colorizing the skin with RGB 148, 111 95 on a new overlay layer. Hopefully it looks someth...
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 20-Dec-20 12:08 AM
I mean, Kirby is named after a dude
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Arj | Der Burgerkrieg 20-Dec-20 12:09 AM
Lol
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 20-Dec-20 12:09 AM
Back when notes didn't count as cash
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Arj | Der Burgerkrieg 20-Dec-20 12:09 AM
Why Kirby tho
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 20-Dec-20 12:09 AM
One of the founders of Houston is apparently named Kirby
Per the photo I linked
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EstonianPolkovnik I HOI: Ash 20-Dec-20 12:09 AM
I have a worse style Or at least, had a worse one
Now I make better ones
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Jubs 20-Dec-20 12:10 AM
arj unjerk for a sec but will you use a guide like carmain or jonny's at some point
please.... haram
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EstonianPolkovnik I HOI: Ash 20-Dec-20 12:11 AM
Look at this Early north america
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Globus | Texan Dawn 20-Dec-20 12:11 AM
Forgetting to fully render screenshots in game
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EstonianPolkovnik I HOI: Ash 20-Dec-20 12:11 AM
I think that aside from like the earliest portraits, this is the worst one
I had a 2007 laptop back then
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Arj | Der Burgerkrieg 20-Dec-20 12:12 AM
Those look like Arj style
Congrats
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Jubs 20-Dec-20 12:12 AM
calles looking like jonathan "brick wall" joestar
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EstonianPolkovnik I HOI: Ash 20-Dec-20 12:12 AM
I now have a GTX 1660 ti
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Globus | Texan Dawn 20-Dec-20 12:12 AM
I will add
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EstonianPolkovnik I HOI: Ash 20-Dec-20 12:12 AM
That teaser managed to get 1k upvotes on reddit
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 20-Dec-20 12:12 AM
Zoomed-out Calles
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Globus | Texan Dawn 20-Dec-20 12:12 AM
We are talking about ultracursed Mormon Albertans here
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 20-Dec-20 12:12 AM
Fun fact
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Globus | Texan Dawn 20-Dec-20 12:12 AM
wonk
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 20-Dec-20 12:13 AM
Google Executive Order 44
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EstonianPolkovnik I HOI: Ash 20-Dec-20 12:13 AM
And because the portraits are so bad, ppl now associate ash with those portraits, even though I don't have them anymore
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Jubs 20-Dec-20 12:13 AM
plutarco calles (hoi4: ash)
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EstonianPolkovnik I HOI: Ash 20-Dec-20 12:13 AM
Bro
This will be calles after one Tanzanium blunt
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 20-Dec-20 12:13 AM
Additional fun fact
The mormons set up a colony in New Zealand
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EstonianPolkovnik I HOI: Ash 20-Dec-20 12:13 AM
Oh god
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Jubs 20-Dec-20 12:13 AM
EO 44 is based!
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 20-Dec-20 12:13 AM
Additional additional fun fact
I greatly dislike Mormonism as a religion despite being born in Utah
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Jubs 20-Dec-20 12:14 AM
Ut*h born
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EstonianPolkovnik I HOI: Ash 20-Dec-20 12:15 AM
You don't even know all the old shit of the old lore in ash
Like Japan being destroyed, but then they colonize the Russian far east
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 20-Dec-20 12:15 AM
Bonus fun fact
Order 44 was technically in effect until the 1970s
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Globus | Texan Dawn 20-Dec-20 12:16 AM
Me killing the Mormon to uphold national security
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 20-Dec-20 12:17 AM
Me: execute order 44
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Globus | Texan Dawn 20-Dec-20 12:18 AM
States for the USA is gonna be something else 😎
Because of Canada some states just never exist
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 20-Dec-20 12:18 AM
Epic
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EstonianPolkovnik I HOI: Ash 20-Dec-20 12:19 AM
Maine?
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Globus | Texan Dawn 20-Dec-20 12:19 AM
Maine
Wisconsin
North Dakota
Kansas
Wyoming
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Jubs 20-Dec-20 12:19 AM
no wisconsin
blessed
means i dont exist okaybuddy (edited)
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Globus | Texan Dawn 20-Dec-20 12:20 AM
You're an Illinoisite
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Jubs 20-Dec-20 12:20 AM
no
i'm puerto rican
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EstonianPolkovnik I HOI: Ash 20-Dec-20 12:20 AM
Create a state in North Ontario dedicated to bingus
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Globus | Texan Dawn 20-Dec-20 12:20 AM
No i mean
You are an Illinoisite in this universe
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EstonianPolkovnik I HOI: Ash 20-Dec-20 12:21 AM
Call it bingusas
And make its flag bingus head on a blue background
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Globus | Texan Dawn 20-Dec-20 12:21 AM
I'm gonna have a wild ride with Mexico
especially Florida
Native Americans are also much more prevalent than they are now
Avatar EstonianPolkovnik I HOI: Ash Burgsys poyais path when
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ismand2508 | Gates of Versailles 20-Dec-20 12:26 AM
We kinda decided to put Dirlewanger in Poyais
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 20-Dec-20 12:30 AM
hollow
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ismand2508 | Gates of Versailles 20-Dec-20 12:32 AM
So basically Billy Mitchell (Cazique) goes to Bavaria to visit the Dornier factory. Whilst there, he meets the young mercenary Oskar Dirlewagner, who he hires
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Jubs 20-Dec-20 12:33 AM
is that a case of the "haha funnies" or is there an actual reason for it
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 20-Dec-20 12:48 AM
Dirty Wagoner
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Globus | Texan Dawn 20-Dec-20 01:17 AM
Alright, I think I have names now, ignore state categories as I still have to figure that out
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 20-Dec-20 01:18 AM
Is this Bonapartist Spain open_eyed_laughing_ascended
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Globus | Texan Dawn 20-Dec-20 01:19 AM
Bonapartist Mexico
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 20-Dec-20 01:19 AM
Also New Navarre is taken
In Sinaloa
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Globus | Texan Dawn 20-Dec-20 01:19 AM
I mean, it's changed so it could easily have been somewhere else and I'm not just lazy
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 20-Dec-20 01:20 AM
ah
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 20-Dec-20 01:22 AM
What’s the name of Haida Gwaii
Also
More fitting name for Vancouver
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Jubs 20-Dec-20 01:24 AM
i'm impressed by the depth of your knowledge on mexican history
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Arj | Der Burgerkrieg 20-Dec-20 01:25 AM
Jubs I actually used a guide just for you
Avatar The Glorious God-Pharaoh More fitting name for Vancouver
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Globus | Texan Dawn 20-Dec-20 01:26 AM
Vancouver right now is called Fuerte Ignacio, Idk where that comes from but it's just that
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Jubs 20-Dec-20 01:26 AM
wouldnt it be fuerto ignacio
fuerte just means strong
wait nvm
got meself confused in my own language :pepega;
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Globus | Texan Dawn 20-Dec-20 01:27 AM
warcriminal
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Jubs 20-Dec-20 01:27 AM
it just feels wrong
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Globus | Texan Dawn 20-Dec-20 01:27 AM
English feels wrong too sometimes
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Arj | Der Burgerkrieg 20-Dec-20 01:28 AM
English is the weirdest language
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Globus | Texan Dawn 20-Dec-20 01:28 AM
also
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Arj | Der Burgerkrieg 20-Dec-20 01:28 AM
You just don’t realize it
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Globus | Texan Dawn 20-Dec-20 01:28 AM
Based California
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Jubs 20-Dec-20 01:28 AM
hmm i thought el morro was a "Fuerte" but it's just a castle
okaybuddy
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 20-Dec-20 01:30 AM
What's the original Russian name of that fort?
Fort Ross I mean
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Globus | Texan Dawn 20-Dec-20 01:30 AM
Fort Ross (edited)
apparently
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 20-Dec-20 01:30 AM
Did they actually call it Russian fort lmaothink
But then there's literally Port of Spain so not impossible
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Globus | Texan Dawn 20-Dec-20 01:35 AM
Yeah
I also have Russia own Hawaii
It was gonna be owned by Britain anyway so I may as well add some flavor
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 20-Dec-20 01:49 AM
I recalled learning that the Spaniards were the ones to explore the Pacific Northwest but I couldn’t recall the name of the fellow who did
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Globus | Texan Dawn 20-Dec-20 03:10 AM
This look good to everybody?
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True and Honest Ma Ji 20-Dec-20 03:11 AM
Mexican Florida
Best Florida
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Arj | Der Burgerkrieg 20-Dec-20 03:11 AM
Florida man but Mexican wonk
It looks good Globus
Is this like the civil war or something
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 20-Dec-20 03:13 AM
Baja California with Nuevo Mexico is very cursed
Is this a civil war or something?
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Globus | Texan Dawn 20-Dec-20 03:45 AM
Nah
It's the start
Baja California, Alta Califronia, and Comancheria are decentralized entities of Mexico (edited)
Which are 100% at risk of being disloyal or having issues
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Arj | Der Burgerkrieg 20-Dec-20 03:47 AM
Oh
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 20-Dec-20 03:48 AM
My immediate thought is separating the interior as its own entity
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Globus | Texan Dawn 20-Dec-20 03:48 AM
?
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Arj | Der Burgerkrieg 20-Dec-20 03:49 AM
If it’s a federation why not make them the same color
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 20-Dec-20 03:49 AM
Montana to Nuevo Mexico as a separate decentralized nation
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Globus | Texan Dawn 20-Dec-20 03:49 AM
Ah
Well
Mexico isn't a federation
The issue is that the north of Mexico is kinda hard to control, and decentralized
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Arj | Der Burgerkrieg 20-Dec-20 03:50 AM
Oh
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Globus | Texan Dawn 20-Dec-20 03:50 AM
It's like the Wild West
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Arj | Der Burgerkrieg 20-Dec-20 03:50 AM
Yea
Interesting
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Globus | Texan Dawn 20-Dec-20 03:50 AM
so you have a lot of the dregs and agitators there
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Arj | Der Burgerkrieg 20-Dec-20 03:50 AM
So you guys are doing a Mexico map rework then
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Globus | Texan Dawn 20-Dec-20 03:50 AM
World rework
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 20-Dec-20 03:50 AM
I’d do some research into stuff like the Yaqui War
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Arj | Der Burgerkrieg 20-Dec-20 03:50 AM
Oh yea lol
The blessed Persian rework
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 20-Dec-20 03:51 AM
It would be a lot more interesting if some natives are important factors in the Wild West instead of perfidious anglos or Hispanic settlers
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Globus | Texan Dawn 20-Dec-20 03:51 AM
They are in fact
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 20-Dec-20 03:51 AM
Or, heaven forbid, mormons
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Globus | Texan Dawn 20-Dec-20 03:51 AM
Natives are a lot more important
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Arj | Der Burgerkrieg 20-Dec-20 03:52 AM
Nice is a native mechanic coming
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Globus | Texan Dawn 20-Dec-20 03:53 AM
I wouldn't say a native mechanic
But dealing with them can be important
And native nations can be in order
Especially in Comancharia which is like one big Indian Territory
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 20-Dec-20 03:54 AM
Oh
In that case
Rename Aztlan to Apacheria
It’s a name that actually fits rather than being anachronistic
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Irish Airship Rigger 2nd Class 20-Dec-20 03:56 AM
Im still saying have gangster cowboys in an alta california gold rush
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 20-Dec-20 05:47 AM
Nicaragua Canal
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 20-Dec-20 05:49 AM
Might want to add a dockyard to the Caribbean side and take away the Panamanian dockyards
Additionally, I notice those are Mexican colors
Why’s that
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 20-Dec-20 06:10 AM
Viceroyalty of New Spain didn't disintegrate in the 1820s; Simon Bolivar couldn't cross the Darien gap so Panama was taken by loyalist forces. Still thinking how and when "Mexico" and Peninsular Spain separated
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 20-Dec-20 06:10 AM
The name wouldn’t be Mexico then
It was named the Mexican Empire for Mexico City
Without the empire, no Mexico
New Spain would likely be retained
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 20-Dec-20 06:13 AM
Yeah hence the quotes
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 20-Dec-20 06:27 AM
Also I hate how I have to do this to make the canals show up as full width
uh larger
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Jubs 20-Dec-20 06:28 AM
want to code, need to lroe
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Globus | Texan Dawn 20-Dec-20 06:34 AM
born to code
forced to lroe
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Jubs 20-Dec-20 06:35 AM
me who wants code
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True and Honest Ma Ji 20-Dec-20 06:49 AM
Born to art
Forced to lroe (edited)
This is what caused the downfall of one of my mods
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Deleted User 20-Dec-20 06:54 AM
f
Born to code Forced to bug fix the map
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 20-Dec-20 06:58 AM
Born to lroe Forced to suffer as the shipping for my new laptop gets delayed
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Deleted User 20-Dec-20 06:59 AM
ouch
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True and Honest Ma Ji 20-Dec-20 06:59 AM
ouch
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 20-Dec-20 06:59 AM
Best case scenario it arrives around Christmas
Work has been halted entirely because we got hit by a cyber attack so I’ve been doing a lot of nothing lately
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Deleted User 20-Dec-20 07:00 AM
sorry to hear that
atm just coding a focus tree kinda thought i'd be making faster progress
been like 45 min and only coded 16 focuses lol
(out of 167)
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 20-Dec-20 07:01 AM
Tomorrow I’m going to be drawing maps mostly because all this talk of Mexico has my brain whirring on an old project of mine
A world where the British have a revolution instead of the French
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True and Honest Ma Ji 20-Dec-20 07:02 AM
A world where
Napoleon Conquers the World
Pax Napoleon
This is so epic...
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MrMano 20-Dec-20 09:17 AM
A world where the British have a revolution instead of the French
@The Glorious God-Pharaoh fortenite en rebellion...
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Mob | Mob(Mob) 20-Dec-20 09:28 AM
fortnite en rebellion
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Seriouscraft | TGOV 20-Dec-20 09:43 AM
This, is very interesting sir
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grestin | Pax Britannica 20-Dec-20 12:56 PM
Ngl I wish someone would make a mod about like, a second ice age or something
I’ve always felt there’s an untapped market for a more survival oriented HOI4 overhaul
Like, something similar to OWB but more focused on surviving and shit
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Brammeke | TCS/ALD 20-Dec-20 12:59 PM
Afaik someone is making that
Centered around North Europe in a nuclear ice age
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grestin | Pax Britannica 20-Dec-20 01:01 PM
Neat
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MrMano 20-Dec-20 01:05 PM
@grestin | Pax Britannica the winter mod has a kickass main menu
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Seriouscraft | TGOV 20-Dec-20 01:47 PM
Also doesn't Godspeed have, at one point, an ice age stuff?
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Miu(Miaob) | DMM 20-Dec-20 02:51 PM
ye
I think
or was that in lore...
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MrMano 20-Dec-20 04:38 PM
Iirc godspeed is like basically ww1 was so destructive all the ash and stuff blocks out the sun causing a mini ice age/winter
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ismand2508 | Gates of Versailles 20-Dec-20 11:03 PM
Godspeed is more than that IIRC, with the first pod in like 300 BC (?)
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mupper | FotIC 20-Dec-20 11:04 PM
yes
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Seriouscraft | TGOV 20-Dec-20 11:08 PM
Godspeed have like 25 000 PoD
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 20-Dec-20 11:08 PM
lel
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 21-Dec-20 12:45 AM
starting up a personal project from a while ago
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cha_rdynamics 21-Dec-20 02:21 AM
Hmm!?!??!
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 21-Dec-20 02:45 AM
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MrMano 21-Dec-20 03:44 AM
france
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 21-Dec-20 04:05 AM
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 21-Dec-20 05:23 AM
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Jubs 21-Dec-20 05:29 AM
Big new spain
tears
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True and Honest Ma Ji 21-Dec-20 05:31 AM
What if
We combined new spain
With new grenada
And rio de la plata?
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 21-Dec-20 05:32 AM
Well then it's just Spanish America?
minus Peru
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True and Honest Ma Ji 21-Dec-20 05:33 AM
And peru
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 21-Dec-20 06:52 AM
This was pain
Darker lines indicate the Captaincy Generals of New Spain, lighter lines indicate provincal divisions
Nueva Galicia, Mexico, and some of the provinces of the Internal Provinces have been folded into a larger Kingdom of Mexico
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 21-Dec-20 06:56 AM
Why not Empire of Mexico youknowwhatimthinking
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 21-Dec-20 07:17 AM
California is composed of Baja California, Media California, Alta California, Nueva California, and Dominguez. Nootka (also known as Nutka or Nuca) is composed of San Lorenzo de Nuca (Vancouver Island), Haida Gwaii, Asuncion del Norte, and Spokane
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 21-Dec-20 07:53 AM
Rainbow
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True and Honest Ma Ji 21-Dec-20 08:02 AM
Imagine
All spanish viceroyalties merged into one
Großamerikanischer Reichsstaat 😳
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 21-Dec-20 08:05 AM
Why is the Chiapas province merged with the Guatemala province?
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 21-Dec-20 08:12 AM
I know they were both in the kingdom of guatemala
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 21-Dec-20 08:12 AM
Chiapas was amalgamated into Guatemala in the late 1800s largely to appease the local government there, who were pushing for the further centralization of power in Ciudad de Guatemala and the creation of a separate Guatemalan viceroyalty
As you can see by the map, that has largely stalled, much to their frustration
The unification of Guatemala and Chiapas was seen as an important first step in Central American separation from New Spain, but ironically it actually hampered the push for autonomy, as the other provinces within the captaincy-general began to see the movement as just trading Ciudad de Mexico for Ciudad de Guatemala
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MrMano 21-Dec-20 11:33 AM
@The Glorious God-Pharaoh is the white all france
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 21-Dec-20 03:46 PM
No, I just haven’t quite decided what to put there
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Jubs 22-Dec-20 07:03 PM
Lroe but epic
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Globus | Texan Dawn 24-Dec-20 01:26 AM
Any way I can have these bookmarks be medium sized instead of them switching to small? I definitely have the space for them
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Kennedy 24-Dec-20 01:28 AM
i assume you gotta mess with the gui file
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Globus | Texan Dawn 24-Dec-20 01:30 AM
I have the correct slot number for them but idk whats up
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Brammeke | TCS/ALD 24-Dec-20 01:34 AM
Maybe like the ideas its set in defines for after how many it makes them small?
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 24-Dec-20 01:34 AM
NATIONAL_FOCUS_SHINE_DISTANCE_SCALE = 0.03, NATIONAL_FOCUS_PULSE_BASE = 10.0, NATIONAL_FOCUS_PULSE_RANDOM = 10.0, POLITICAL_GRID_SMALL_BOX_LIMIT = 6, -- Limit for gridbox in political view before it will be replaced with extended gridbox SETUP_SPIRIT_GRID_BOX_LIMIT = 3, -- Limit for gridbox in game setup before it will be replaced with extended gridbox POLITICAL_PULSE_BASE = 10.0, POLITICAL_PULSE_RANDOM = 10.0,
can't find one for the setup screen
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Globus | Texan Dawn 24-Dec-20 01:44 AM
I searched up = 8 (limit for medium size bookmarks I think)
and didn't find anything
so it's probably hardcoded
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 24-Dec-20 01:44 AM
ripperoni
Did other mods not have this problem?
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Globus | Texan Dawn 24-Dec-20 01:46 AM
Idk
My workarouind is making the small entries look like medium entries
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Arj | Der Burgerkrieg 24-Dec-20 02:00 AM
Why in advanced lroecrafting thonk
this has become advanced-technical 2 ig
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Globus | Texan Dawn 24-Dec-20 02:02 AM
Ah shit
I thought this was advanced technical
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True and Honest Ma Ji 24-Dec-20 02:04 AM
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ismand2508 | Gates of Versailles 24-Dec-20 12:23 PM
Boss move
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Polarace 25-Dec-20 10:06 AM
Should probably fix the channel name
its a typo
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mupper | FotIC 25-Dec-20 10:07 AM
its not
its wrong on purpose
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cha_rdynamics 25-Dec-20 03:47 PM
Nope
The correct way of spelling it is advaned-lroecrafting
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RobDaFlob 26-Dec-20 08:22 AM
^
eugenics time 😎
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MarshalMob |Mob(Mob) 26-Dec-20 03:20 PM
tfw no advanced-lovecrafting
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Seriouscraft | TGOV 27-Dec-20 12:29 AM
No
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. Hexcron | Southern Victory 27-Dec-20 09:29 AM
Anyone got any idea how much money was spent in US election cycles in the '30s and '40s?
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. Hexcron | Southern Victory 27-Dec-20 09:31 AM
tyvm
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GreatIanEmpire 27-Dec-20 09:32 AM
np
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cha_rdynamics 28-Dec-20 08:30 PM
Does anyone have a more indepth map of regions of New York instead of the usual 10?
(not counties)
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 28-Dec-20 11:14 PM
Why weren't repeaters (rifle) more popular among the militaries?
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John Titor | The Fire Rises 28-Dec-20 11:18 PM
too expensive
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 28-Dec-20 11:24 PM
Even than later semi-automatic rifles?
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John Titor | The Fire Rises 28-Dec-20 11:24 PM
what timeframe are you asking about? (edited)
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 28-Dec-20 11:26 PM
Like any time. It seems to fill the gap between bolt-action and gas operated semi automatic rifles but for some reason was never popular in armies
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John Titor | The Fire Rises 28-Dec-20 11:27 PM
oh pffff I was thinking about muskets and the civil war
uh doctrine?
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Irish Airship Rigger 2nd Class 29-Dec-20 09:24 PM
@オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux they took forever to reload and jammed often
meaning you'd only really get a short burst of usage before taking ages to prepare again
on top of this they were less accurate and had less piercing
it's not till the Crimean war they started to fix this with magazine loaders
but even then these mags were super easy to break and so unreliable
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. Hexcron | Southern Victory 30-Dec-20 03:17 PM
Hey uh
Anyone know any communists active in the 1930s
From
Uh
Idaho
I need two born before 1906 (edited)
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. Hexcron | Southern Victory 30-Dec-20 03:34 PM
Scratch that
Need them from Nevada
Avatar . Hexcron | Southern Victory Need them from Nevada
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GreatIanEmpire 30-Dec-20 03:54 PM
thats about all i found
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. Hexcron | Southern Victory 31-Dec-20 12:53 PM
Anyone know any politicians from the 1930s from this area of Texas? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/588777790183047202/793144247804100608/unknown.png
the Purple area
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Globus | Texan Dawn 31-Dec-20 04:10 PM
Idk off the top of my head but check representatives in the Texas senate or U.S. house
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. Hexcron | Southern Victory 31-Dec-20 04:58 PM
Thanks, found some
Still need two socialists and two fascists
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Globus | Texan Dawn 31-Dec-20 05:10 PM
Good luck
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Polarn (Bruder/Krieg) 31-Dec-20 05:25 PM
I need two Socialists and two Fascists that resided in North West texas during 1936 hmmmmm (edited)
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. Hexcron | Southern Victory 01-Jan-21 12:41 PM
Not my fault the Yanks of SV decided to make a state out of it
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EstonianPolkovnik I HOI: Ash 01-Jan-21 02:26 PM
make fictional characters
jake featherston isnt real
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Polarn (Bruder/Krieg) 01-Jan-21 06:59 PM
Well he's supposed to be hitler
The whole SV series makes the American front the Eastern front
With Pittsburg as Stalingrad and an ill prepared Union army against the Confederate Reich
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Miu(Miaob) | DMM 02-Jan-21 01:35 AM
Btw, on the SCW
How can I lengthen it till early to mid 1940
And if it was still on during ww2, would there have been an intervention from any side?
I just need Franco to be unwillingly brought into the war through no fault of his own
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Jubs 02-Jan-21 01:38 AM
you'd need the republic to not be comically bad
maybe have the non-intervention agreement not be signed or smth
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Miu(Miaob) | DMM 02-Jan-21 01:39 AM
I do have that...
During the phony war, could the French and British decide to send some forces to the republican side to try and defeat Franco, from some perceived axis leanings (which are higher in this tl)?
Basically, I just need the Germans to have a justification to move into Spain, to then take Gibraltar (I'd imagine that to be it's own hell of itself but...)
They did try to send some to fucking Finland...
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MisterJay|Primo Victoria|Endsieg 02-Jan-21 01:51 AM
You do realise there was justification to take gibraltar for the axis by attacking spain in otl right?
If they wouldnt join
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Miu(Miaob) | DMM 02-Jan-21 11:30 AM
Yeah, but I have a feeling they would have taken longer if they'd have been up against the Nationalists
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True and Honest Ma Ji 03-Jan-21 02:27 PM
hey dudes
so my mod is about germany winning ww1 and while discussing the lore with my fellow team members
one, who is the lore lead, decides that he wants the reds to win in the finnish civil war
to me this doesn't make sense
he claims that Germany would not send men in the tl
he also handwaved mannerheim and the jaegers
which doesn't make sense to handwave as our mod is about germany winning ww1 and not germany winning ww1 and red finland winning
but that's just my opinion
this is the lore doc he wrote
my question is, should the reds or the whites win?
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MarshalMob |Mob(Mob) 03-Jan-21 08:20 PM
IIRC the Finnish left suffered from fractures even before the Civil War
I recall the term "reluctant revolutionary" as being a label applied to the moderates by the Bolsheviks
Though I may be wrong
In addition, the outcome of the Civil War would really depend on the relative strength of Soviet Russia and the war-weary Germans
Not sending men seems a bit too overconfident on the Germans part - threatening St. Petersburg is an important strategic Damocles' Sword, even if you stand to win the conflict.
At least my take on it, but I am far from an expert.
@True and Honest Ma Ji
I could see the Civil War turning out more bloody if Germany smashes the Tsardom early and then doesn't support the Whites, if this leads to an earlier less destroyed Soviet Russia. That could probably result in both Germany and the Soviets committing more to Finland - the Germans because they had their own plans for Finland, and the Soviets because of ideological and strategic reasons.
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True and Honest Ma Ji 04-Jan-21 08:10 AM
I see
Is there a way to have the finnish civil war not happen?
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 05-Jan-21 08:03 AM
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 05-Jan-21 08:18 AM
TFW you spent days to understand the implications of France keeping the west bank of the Rhine on the Congress of Vienna
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Kennedy 05-Jan-21 08:19 AM
Germany would have taken even longer to industrialize
Also im not convinced thats possible
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 05-Jan-21 08:19 AM
It won't be a world power any time soon
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Kennedy 05-Jan-21 08:19 AM
Tallyrand really would have had the play the cards well (edited)
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 05-Jan-21 08:20 AM
The Frankfurt proposals or Frankfurt memorandum was a Coalition peace initiative designed by Austrian foreign minister Klemens von Metternich. It was offered to French Emperor Napoleon I in November 1813 after he had suffered a decisive defeat at the Battle of Leipzig. The goal was a peaceful end to the War of the Sixth Coalition. The Allie...
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Kennedy 05-Jan-21 08:20 AM
Oh ok, in that scenario sure
Ethnic cleansing time
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 05-Jan-21 08:20 AM
Not sure if Metternich was 100% straight about this one but hey it's alternate history (edited)
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Kennedy 05-Jan-21 08:21 AM
If napoleon had accepted i think it would have gone through
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Globus | Texan Dawn 05-Jan-21 08:22 AM
"Alsace is German! 🤓" "And the Rhineland is French 💪🇫🇷" (edited)
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 05-Jan-21 08:22 AM
No they are both French lol
And then you have to like keep track of the chains of landswaps and note that which ones involve land west of the Rhine
After the Napoleonic Wars, Saxe-Lauenburg was restored as a Hanoverian dominium in 1813.[2] The Congress of Vienna established Saxe-Lauenburg as a member state of the German Confederation. In 1814 the Kingdom of Hanover bartered Saxe-Lauenburg against Prussian East Frisia. On 7 June 1815, after 14 months under its rule, the Prussia granted Saxe-Lauenburg to Sweden, receiving in return the former Swedish Pomerania, however, additionally paying 2.6 million Taler to Denmark, in order to compensate Denmark for the loss of Norway.[27] Denmark gained that ducal territory north of the Elbe, now ruled in personal union by the Danish House of Oldenburg,[2] from Sweden, which thus again compensated Danish claims to Swedish Pomerania.
Hesse-Darmstadt, in exchange for giving up the Duchy of Westphalia to Prussia, received Rhenish Hesse with its capital at Mainz.
And this is why there's a Hessian bulge into Mark and why it's called Mark instead of Westfalen
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 05-Jan-21 09:22 AM
Also I plan to use PU to fuck with German Unification
Schleswig-Holstein with Denmark, Hanover with UK, and Nassau with the Netherlands
There's also the possibility of having Oldenburg in a PU with Denmark and Schleswig-Holstein, but that's a stretch
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GreatIanEmpire 05-Jan-21 09:41 AM
lmao
i was thinking about it, but i didnt want to screw over prussia. and yellow prussia there is beautiful
Avatar オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_proposals
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cha_rdynamics 05-Jan-21 04:19 PM
Are you making your mod?
Or a mod
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 06-Jan-21 12:43 AM
wdym
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Mob | Mob(Mob) 06-Jan-21 12:46 AM
Is it the one where you have fun
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 06-Jan-21 12:49 AM
It's not Youjo Senki if that's what you're asking
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Polarn (Bruder/Krieg) 08-Jan-21 02:27 AM
why is
prussia
yellow
is that some type of sick joke
Vicky 2 refrence???
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 08-Jan-21 02:27 AM
yes
All the German state colors are pulled from vanilla Victoria 2
Except Thüringen because it's 3 OPM in Victoria 2 and there were actually 5 more unrepresented states in that area
Saxe-Weimar Saxe-Coburg-Gotha Saxe-Meiningen ---------- Saxe-Altenburg Schwarzburg-Rudolstadt Schwarzburg-Sondershausen Reuß (senior) Reuß (junior)
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True and Honest Ma Ji 08-Jan-21 03:09 AM
Reuß (burger)
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 08-Jan-21 03:09 AM
Luxembourgeoise
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 08-Jan-21 06:23 AM
Napoleon, the reinstater of slavery laughthonk https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_20_May_1802
The French Law of 20 May 1802 was passed that day (30 floréal year X), revoking the Law of 4 February 1794 (16 pluviôse) which had abolished slavery in all the French colonies. However, the 1794 decree was only implemented in Saint-Domingue, Guadeloupe and Guyane, and was a dead letter in Senegal, Mauritius, Reunion and Martinique, the last of w...
The Law of 20 May 1802 had the express purpose of restoring slavery in Saint-Domingue, Guadeloupe and French Guiana, and was passed when Napoleon turned his attention to the French colonies in the peace that followed the 1802 Treaty of Amiens, which also restored Martinique to France. Napoleon's attempts to restore slavery in Saint-Domingue proved futile.[2][3] This law united opposition to Napoleon's brother-in-law, 1802 general Leclerc (commander of the Saint-Domingue expedition), who failed in his attempts to restore slavery to Saint-Domingue.[4][5]
open_eyed_laughing_ascended
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 08-Jan-21 06:34 AM
Gran Colombia moment
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Seriouscraft | TGOV 08-Jan-21 09:56 AM
oh yea
Slavery Momento
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grestin | Pax Britannica 08-Jan-21 09:58 AM
>mexico owning the Dominican Republic
cth_uhh
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Seriouscraft | TGOV 08-Jan-21 10:00 AM
big brain
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Seriouscraft | TGOV 08-Jan-21 10:09 AM
Avatar オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux Gran Colombia moment
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cha_rdynamics 08-Jan-21 01:43 PM
Are you making Vic 2 in hoi4? think_wot
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Mob | Mob(Mob) 08-Jan-21 02:12 PM
only reason he did it was to regularize the already going on slavery in the colonies without destroying their local economies still cringe but there is an explanations atleast its not just le evil napoleon
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 08-Jan-21 10:27 PM
Old Haitian border
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 08-Jan-21 11:38 PM
Fixing borders along the Main
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Mob | Mob(Mob) 09-Jan-21 07:48 AM
blessed
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 09-Jan-21 08:00 AM
I couldn't believe how crude the vanilla map is
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Mob | Mob(Mob) 09-Jan-21 08:15 AM
have you seen the argentina province
in vanilla
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 09-Jan-21 08:17 AM
which
Haven't looked south of Gran Chaco
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Mob | Mob(Mob) 09-Jan-21 08:19 AM
idk if its still in but i remember there was a province split in two
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 09-Jan-21 08:20 AM
Tierra del Fuego?
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Mob | Mob(Mob) 09-Jan-21 08:20 AM
i dont remember
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 09-Jan-21 08:22 AM
ok I'll start the game 🤔
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Mob | Mob(Mob) 09-Jan-21 08:22 AM
it was pretty weird
idk if they fixed it
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 09-Jan-21 08:23 AM
Launcher moment
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Globus | Texan Dawn 09-Jan-21 08:24 AM
ye
i dont even pay attention to them
just click play
as fast as I can
😂 1
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 09-Jan-21 08:24 AM
lmaothink
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Mob | Mob(Mob) 09-Jan-21 08:33 AM
@Irish Airship Rigger 2nd Class remember in HOE it was almost possible to do 1815 borders
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 09-Jan-21 08:35 AM
HOE
great name lmaothink
I don't find anything weird in Argetina
And no province ID are higher than that of the Silesian Voivodeship (Katowice) so either it was reshaped or split a really long time ago
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Mob | Mob(Mob) 09-Jan-21 08:43 AM
it prob was
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 09-Jan-21 08:43 AM
... hoe
what's the acronym
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Mob | Mob(Mob) 09-Jan-21 08:47 AM
Hearts of Eagle
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 09-Jan-21 08:49 AM
1 result in chat lmaothink
time to google
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Sol Inherent 09-Jan-21 08:58 AM
XD
thats just unfortunate naming
like r/ape
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 09-Jan-21 09:05 AM
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Mob | Mob(Mob) 09-Jan-21 09:05 AM
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/476485466229833728/610899048039186436/unknown.png don't complain about the font it looked good ingame @オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux
death 2
hehe big belly tribe
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TravelerOfThePlains 11-Jan-21 03:13 AM
neat map
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%9Eehzade_Yusuf_Izzeddin Would it be accurate to say this guys name as Sultan if he was would be Sultan Şehzade
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MrMano 19-Jan-21 04:54 AM
@TravelerOfThePlains sehzade literally means prince
i think he'd be sultan yusuf
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TravelerOfThePlains 19-Jan-21 04:55 AM
It means Prince but apparently it was his real name
That is what my Turkish friend said
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MrMano 19-Jan-21 04:57 AM
In this Ottoman Turkish style name, the given name is Yusuf Izzeddin, the title is Şehzade, and there is no family name.
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 19-Jan-21 08:50 AM
Researching goes brrrr
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Mob | Mob(Mob) 19-Jan-21 10:20 AM
Whats going on there
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Miu(Miaob) | DMM 19-Jan-21 05:39 PM
What was always meant to be
Chinese Kashmir
And Afghanistan
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Arj | Der Burgerkrieg 19-Jan-21 06:03 PM
There’s no such thing as Chinese Kashmir
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mupper | FotIC 19-Jan-21 06:05 PM
thats the area the roc claims in tajikistan and kyrgyzstan(?) i believe
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Polarn (Bruder/Krieg) 19-Jan-21 07:47 PM
What would the soviet alliance be called before the foundation of the Warsaw Pact?
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Swf | Iron Curtain 19-Jan-21 07:54 PM
I mean technically
part of what the PRC occupies
is kinda kashmir
so......
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Arj | Der Burgerkrieg 19-Jan-21 07:59 PM
That’s Indian
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mupper | FotIC 19-Jan-21 08:29 PM
its claimed by china
part of what is the geographical area of kashmir is claimed by china
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 19-Jan-21 08:31 PM
China rushed all the way to Kokkand after defeating Yakub Beg (historically Russia conquered Kokkand like just one year before Qing army re-conquered Kashgar)
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Swf | Iron Curtain 19-Jan-21 08:36 PM
Kashmir is actually a fairly large geographic area that isnt just limited to Indian occupied Kashmir
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 19-Jan-21 08:39 PM
And I'm pretty sure Badakshan & Fergana are in the Pamirs not Kashmir
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mupper | FotIC 19-Jan-21 08:39 PM
yes
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TravelerOfThePlains 19-Jan-21 09:11 PM
Kashmir is rightfully Pakistani 😤
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Swf | Iron Curtain 19-Jan-21 09:11 PM
^
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Arj | Der Burgerkrieg 19-Jan-21 09:18 PM
open_eyed_laughing_ascended
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Polarn (Bruder/Krieg) 20-Jan-21 12:00 AM
Arj
Getting mad
We all know your secret
youknowwhatimthinking
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Polarn (Bruder/Krieg) 20-Jan-21 12:01 AM
Now is there an answer to this
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Brammeke | TCS/ALD 20-Jan-21 12:13 AM
Soviet Bloc perhaps?
Or maybe just the Comintern but that's more of a international thing instead of a soviet alliance
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MisterJay|Primo Victoria|Endsieg 20-Jan-21 12:35 AM
Revolutionary idea
The ussr
Haha get it it works on 2 levels
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Brammeke | TCS/ALD 20-Jan-21 12:43 AM
youknowwhatimthinking
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Polarn (Bruder/Krieg) 20-Jan-21 06:27 AM
I'm pretty sure the Comintern was dismantled in 1943
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MarshalMob |Mob(Mob) 20-Jan-21 12:45 PM
I'd view it as a tandem between Comecon and Cominform, I guess?
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. Hexcron | Southern Victory 20-Jan-21 04:13 PM
Comintern was an alliance of parties, not of countries
Soviet Bloc is about the best you can get
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Brammeke | TCS/ALD 20-Jan-21 04:14 PM
Yeah thats what I said, but its the closest to a actually existing organization, Soviet Bloc would be the most accurate yeah
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 21-Jan-21 06:25 AM
Couldn't believe how many Central Asian cities are about as new as American cities or newer
I'll probably remove Dushanbe and Nukus as VP
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Globus | Texan Dawn 21-Jan-21 06:44 AM
What the 5 Year Plan does to a mf
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 21-Jan-21 06:46 AM
Dushanbe doesn't even exist on one of the ~1900 maps I found despite showing a bunch of other settlements in the same valley
Merv was re-founded by the Russians (now spelled Mary)
Nukus was primarily a fort
Turkmenabat was also founded by the Russians after Bukhara ceded the south bank of Amu Darya
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 21-Jan-21 07:50 AM
And I guess I'll remove Bishkek too, since it's too irrelevant
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Mob | Mob(Mob) 21-Jan-21 08:07 AM
what is left then
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 21-Jan-21 08:08 AM
The new ones I added youknowwhatimthinking
also Verniy is Alma Ata
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Mob | Mob(Mob) 21-Jan-21 08:09 AM
What did it Cost?
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Mob | Mob(Mob) 21-Jan-21 08:29 AM
i don't get what you're doing
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 21-Jan-21 08:30 AM
I don't either
Changing VP so it reflects relevance around 1900 I think
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Mob | Mob(Mob) 21-Jan-21 09:20 AM
insane
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ismand2508 | Gates of Versailles 21-Jan-21 01:09 PM
Merv 😆goldface
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Irish Airship Rigger 2nd Class 21-Jan-21 02:48 PM
Dushanbe existed before 1900 though
On the first map I believe its Baljuan
Avatar Irish Airship Rigger 2nd Class On the first map I believe its Baljuan
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 21-Jan-21 06:55 PM
No it's supposed to be between Hissar and Faizabad. Baljuan is another settlement that also exist on the other map as Balzhuan
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Irish Airship Rigger 2nd Class 21-Jan-21 06:56 PM
I looked it up later
Baljuan isn't a city or town
it's a region name
and is slightly to the right of Dushanbe which appears on other maps from earlier in the time period
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 21-Jan-21 07:05 PM
Baljuvon is a village and jamoat in Tajikistan. It is located in Baljuvon District in Khatlon Region. The jamoat has a total population of 6,041 (2015).
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Irish Airship Rigger 2nd Class 21-Jan-21 07:13 PM
On those maps it doesn't seem to be related to the village though
As there is no dot showing the location
either that or the map maker has gotten some very strange information, as Dushanbe existed as far back as the 1600s according to wikipedia (cited)
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 21-Jan-21 07:33 PM
thonk wdym no dot
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 22-Jan-21 06:46 AM
Good ol' Khiva and Bukhara
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RedDeath I Roar of the Gryphon 22-Jan-21 09:41 AM
Okay guys so I'm currently working on the Balkans in my mod and since I've got basically zero knowledge (and no one on my team does aswell) on that topic I wanted to ask whether or not there is a interesting and possibly unique scenario one of you could think of. The mod takes place in 1920 and ww1 has not happened yet (so any lore changes before 1920 could be implemented). I definitely could go with the 1914 borders but first i wanted to ask if there was any alternative to this to give the player something new (and based) they haven't seen before.
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Polarace 22-Jan-21 03:17 PM
can someone fix the typo in this channel's name
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MisterJay|Primo Victoria|Endsieg 22-Jan-21 03:27 PM
no
its intentional
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EstonianPolkovnik I HOI: Ash 22-Jan-21 09:09 PM
no it isnt
this is disgusting
its lorecrafting not lroecrafting
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MisterJay|Primo Victoria|Endsieg 22-Jan-21 09:24 PM
This is the lroe channel
Avatar EstonianPolkovnik I HOI: Ash its lorecrafting not lroecrafting
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Arj | Der Burgerkrieg 22-Jan-21 09:34 PM
Smh
That’s so wrong
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Jubs 22-Jan-21 09:48 PM
Lroe
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GreatIanEmpire 22-Jan-21 09:51 PM
Lroe
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 22-Jan-21 09:54 PM
roe
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Globus | Texan Dawn 22-Jan-21 09:54 PM
L. Roe Hubbard
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TravelerOfThePlains 22-Jan-21 10:19 PM
what the hell is a lore?
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Libra 23-Jan-21 01:40 AM
lore 🤢
lroe 😇
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 25-Jan-21 07:53 AM
Ferry goes brrrr
Avatar オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux Ferry goes brrrr
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MarshalMob |Mob(Mob) 25-Jan-21 10:52 AM
Carrying a submarine on a ferry seems like the premise for a mediocre comedy
flushedcube 1
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Miu(Miaob) | DMM 25-Jan-21 12:49 PM
ferries are the towtrucks of the oceans dont you know?
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 25-Jan-21 07:35 PM
Kind of stupid that adjacency_rules can't specify if the said connection is land or naval
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Mob | Mob(Mob) 25-Jan-21 07:59 PM
wdym
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 25-Jan-21 08:07 PM
The game uses the same code for canal and straits
So all of them have army and navy rules despite only one being applicable
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Mob | Mob(Mob) 25-Jan-21 08:10 PM
but in adjacencies file you can set if the strait is sea, river, large river or land
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 25-Jan-21 09:18 PM
But it requires you to set all four rules and all four will be displayed regardless of what type of adjacency it is
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Mob | Mob(Mob) 25-Jan-21 09:18 PM
o
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cha_rdynamics 31-Jan-21 01:07 AM
I’ve asked this before, but does someone have a detailed political divisions/regions/provinces of the United States? Asking for a mod I’m working on, something like this
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 31-Jan-21 01:08 AM
Uh
How complex?
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cha_rdynamics 31-Jan-21 01:09 AM
Around 800 to a 1000, trying to get as detailed for a North American map as possible
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 31-Jan-21 01:09 AM
That’s not an answer to that question
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cha_rdynamics 31-Jan-21 01:09 AM
But something like 100-200 is fine
Divisions
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 31-Jan-21 01:09 AM
800-1000 purple flying monkeys?
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cha_rdynamics 31-Jan-21 01:09 AM
No
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 31-Jan-21 01:09 AM
Cause you can literally just Google a county map
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cha_rdynamics 31-Jan-21 01:10 AM
Counties is 3000k
3k*
Hoi4 state limit is around a thousand
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Arj | Der Burgerkrieg 31-Jan-21 01:10 AM
There’s no state limit
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 31-Jan-21 01:10 AM
Yeah, and? That’s the third-least complex map of the US you can make
Avatar Arj | Der Burgerkrieg There’s no state limit
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cha_rdynamics 31-Jan-21 01:10 AM
Well yeah, but ideally performance wise (edited)
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Arj | Der Burgerkrieg 31-Jan-21 01:10 AM
Yea
Avatar Arj | Der Burgerkrieg There’s no state limit
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MarshalMob |Mob(Mob) 31-Jan-21 01:11 AM
If there is we haven't found it yet
Since the computers keep melting
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 31-Jan-21 01:11 AM
1. Country division 2. State/territory division 3. County division
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Swf | Iron Curtain 31-Jan-21 01:11 AM
why not do it by congressional district?
for whatever period the mod is
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cha_rdynamics 31-Jan-21 01:11 AM
And that’s why I’m trying to see any other methods i.e. something physical, or something people have made
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 31-Jan-21 01:12 AM
Honestly you can probably just make it yourself. Most states have geographic maps you can look at
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 31-Jan-21 01:13 AM
Bruh
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cha_rdynamics 31-Jan-21 01:13 AM
2020/2021, congressional districts kinda get ugly for anything not near the coast
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 31-Jan-21 01:13 AM
Remember Maryland
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Swf | Iron Curtain 31-Jan-21 01:14 AM
yes
so?
I drew in bantustans on my map lol
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cha_rdynamics 31-Jan-21 01:14 AM
What I’m trying to do, but it isn’t easy
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Swf | Iron Curtain 31-Jan-21 01:14 AM
If my mods timespan was shorter
I'd do america by district
instead of state
Avatar Swf | Iron Curtain I'd do america by district
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cha_rdynamics 31-Jan-21 01:17 AM
It’s not bad detailed wise, but it’s very blocky and stuff like the Dakotas are one district
It’s not super bad in some spots so I’ll probably use it somewhat
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Swf | Iron Curtain 31-Jan-21 01:18 AM
yea
it depends on what your mod is
but from a development standpoint like for a global mod not fully focused on war
it def works for econ stuff
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cha_rdynamics 31-Jan-21 01:22 AM
My mod is a memey 2ACW (not extremist political wise), and I want it to be comparable to TNO Russia, so I want detail everywhere
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Swf | Iron Curtain 31-Jan-21 01:27 AM
ah ic
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 31-Jan-21 02:45 AM
Rate my state rework? Time is ~1900
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Swf | Iron Curtain 31-Jan-21 02:49 AM
i like it
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 31-Jan-21 03:03 AM
Thanks
Avatar オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux Rate my state rework? Time is ~1900
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cha_rdynamics 31-Jan-21 03:25 AM
What is the mod about?
Otherwise it’s pretty good
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 31-Jan-21 03:27 AM
No concrete idea laughthonk
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cha_rdynamics 31-Jan-21 11:55 PM
How is this? I don't know if I should be more detailed or not
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 01-Feb-21 02:30 AM
Does anyone have a map of European forts and colonies in Sub-Saharan Africa around 1815-1830? I found this wiki page, but it's pretty useless IMO because it's missing a bunch of colonies like Senegal, Gambia, Sierra Leone, and Gold Coast, just to name a few https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_enclaves_in_North_Africa_before_1830
The European enclaves in North Africa (technically ‘semi-enclaves’) were towns, fortifications and trading posts on the Mediterranean and Atlantic coasts of western North Africa (sometimes called also "Maghreb), obtained by various European powers in the period before they had the military capacity to occupy the interior (i.e. before the French ...
Wait nvm I'm blind, it says North Africa
Still I'd like to have a map or something
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 04-Feb-21 01:42 AM
Could Muhammad Ali have realistically marched to Constantinople after the victory in Konya?
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Irish Airship Rigger 2nd Class 04-Feb-21 02:13 AM
only if Joe Frazier isnt there
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 04-Feb-21 02:15 AM
Who? Is this a Joe Mama joke?
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Irish Airship Rigger 2nd Class 04-Feb-21 02:29 AM
The boxers
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 04-Feb-21 02:32 AM
?
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Irish Airship Rigger 2nd Class 04-Feb-21 02:34 AM
Muhammad Ali the boxer lost to Joe Frazier the boxer
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as for constantinople, its possible as a group of cossacks managed to raid it around the same time
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 04-Feb-21 02:35 AM
Bruh
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 07-Feb-21 03:43 AM
Why did Austria have no colonies when even the late comers like Germany and Italy did?
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MrMano 07-Feb-21 03:48 AM
@オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux the hungarians had a say
and they didnt want colonies
and general lack of interest
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The Glorious God-Pharaoh 07-Feb-21 07:11 AM
The logic was, why bother getting a colony when we already have colonies places to invest in Europe, like Hungary and Croatia
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 07-Feb-21 07:12 AM
But Italy and Germany
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nostalgia critic 07-Feb-21 07:57 AM
From the 17th century through to the 19th century, the Habsburg Monarchy, Austrian Empire, and Austro-Hungarian Empire made a few small short-lived attempts to expand colonial trade through the acquisition of factories. All attempts were ended due to international pressure, or lack of interest from the Imperial government and opposition from H...
Austrian Colonial empire pepelaugh
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elysian | DBK | Padeniye Rossii 08-Feb-21 12:57 AM
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DerDude | Roar of the Gryphon 09-Feb-21 01:04 AM
logic is mostly true. not many of these late African colonies made even close the profit they costed
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DuoDex 09-Feb-21 01:24 AM
lroe
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ismand2508 | Gates of Versailles 11-Feb-21 03:14 PM
Were any of the Spanish Caribbean islands/possessions occupied by Britain in the Napoleonic Wars?
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Kennedy 11-Feb-21 03:52 PM
I dont think so
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Irish Airship Rigger 2nd Class 11-Feb-21 04:10 PM
Not prior to Trafalgar
Parts of the Spanish Caribbean that were occupied by France were liberated by the British
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ismand2508 | Gates of Versailles 11-Feb-21 04:28 PM
Okay thanks
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Imperialism | EoaNB 12-Feb-21 04:52 AM
Does anyone have any recommendations for who would take over a French colonial government in Korea following a takeover in a second expedition to Korea around 1868
I'm thinking Henri de Bellonet as he was the foreign minister who started the first expedition, he is stationed in Qing China since the Joseon had no official foreign relations
though an issue that is often ran into, no images exist of him (that I know of) (edited)
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 15-Feb-21 05:51 AM
What would be a good colonial name for Congo without the Kikongo speaking area?
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Swf | Iron Curtain 15-Feb-21 05:53 AM
Greater Katanga
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 15-Feb-21 06:10 AM
I'd go with Zaire but that too seems to be a Kikongo word
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 15-Feb-21 06:39 AM
Bruh
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kstar234 15-Feb-21 06:39 AM
Africa in a nutsehll
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MarshalMob |Mob(Mob) 15-Feb-21 01:21 PM
Tbh probably still'd've gone with Congo
Due to the Congo Basin
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Irish Airship Rigger 2nd Class 15-Feb-21 03:18 PM
With no Kikongo who is there instead?
Or where does this state own
and who colonised them if they were colonised
Anziku if it's the Teke people
nvm that's also Kikongo
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Swf | Iron Curtain 21-Feb-21 11:16 PM
anyone got any good sources or books on 1960s+1970s thailand?
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Imperialism | EoaNB 26-Feb-21 03:19 AM
Lets say I wanted to find the exact text from the congress of vienna that made Monaco a protectorate of Sardinia, anyone know where that might be accessible?
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オーケーブーマー | Youjo Senki Redux 26-Feb-21 03:29 AM
The "Congress of Vienna" isn't an individual event, but dozens (or more) dealings between different countries
You might have better luck if you are able to find the actual date of signing and the signatories
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Imperialism | EoaNB 26-Feb-21 03:33 AM
Yeah, I know there are vaguely 2 occurrences on the topic of Monaco from the Congress, those being the French frontier against Italy being redrawn which mentions that Monaco is to be independent of France, and than a latter reference which states that Monaco shall be a protectorate under the King of Sardinia
The Treaty of Stupinigi 8 November 1817, is probably what I could use more as it was the treaty between the Kind of Sardinia and Monaco which actually set the terms of their relationship
Though, beyond websites or books referencing the treaty vaguely I don't really know what it decided. Other than it fucked over Monaco causing a ton of debt and that their position under Sardinia was much less than that under France
"France on her part renounces all rights of Sovereignty, Suzerainty, etc., and of possession, over all the Countries, Districts, Towns, and places situated beyond the Frontier above described, the Principality of Monaco being replaced on the same footing on which it stood before the 1st of January, 1792." this is from the congress of vienna that set up Monaco before later being transferred to Sardinia
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Prometheus: TLW Lead 27-Feb-21 03:38 AM
Wait
Is this like a Super Steroid version of #lroecrafting ?
Oh My God
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Swf | Iron Curtain 27-Feb-21 03:38 AM
its more serious
but yea its the private version
most of the activity in the server is in the advanced chats
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Edouard_Saladier | Lesitia 27-Feb-21 03:39 AM
It has no darwinism here I think
Avatar Edouard_Saladier | Lesitia It has no darwinism here I think
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Prometheus: TLW Lead 27-Feb-21 03:39 AM
Pogchamp
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Owenomaly 27-Feb-21 04:46 AM
cut to The Advanced Eugenics Debate
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elysian | DBK | Padeniye Rossii 28-Feb-21 09:45 PM
fucked up ethnic map of canada
essentially a lot of shit happened
dont have too much data on the population of first nations, and i've mostly gone off historical data
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mupper | FotIC 28-Feb-21 09:45 PM
whats yellow, green, or grey
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elysian | DBK | Padeniye Rossii 28-Feb-21 09:45 PM
yellow - scottish
green - irish
light grey - first nations
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mupper | FotIC 28-Feb-21 09:46 PM
i mean dark grey not light grey
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elysian | DBK | Padeniye Rossii 28-Feb-21 09:46 PM
dark grey - mixed
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mupper | FotIC 28-Feb-21 09:46 PM
oh
where are ukrainians
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elysian | DBK | Padeniye Rossii 28-Feb-21 09:46 PM
it is the majority in each regions that are painted (edited)
not
shit like that
saskatchewan wasnt majority ukrainian
the doukhobors didnt make a majority of saskatchewan
but were a large part of it
irish includes both catholic and protestant populations
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mupper | FotIC 28-Feb-21 09:47 PM
i see
those qc states are really fucky doe (edited)
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elysian | DBK | Padeniye Rossii 28-Feb-21 09:48 PM
qc..?
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mupper | FotIC 28-Feb-21 09:48 PM
québec
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elysian | DBK | Padeniye Rossii 28-Feb-21 09:48 PM
ah thats what i though but wasnt sure
those states arent final
they will be reworked
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mupper | FotIC 28-Feb-21 09:49 PM
good
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elysian | DBK | Padeniye Rossii 28-Feb-21 09:49 PM
especially since we have a very talented team of mappers
i'm currently doing an entire rework of canada
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mupper | FotIC 28-Feb-21 09:49 PM
bc the place i live is definitely not ethnically french lmaothink
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elysian | DBK | Padeniye Rossii 28-Feb-21 09:49 PM
in 1936, it probably was.
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mupper | FotIC 28-Feb-21 09:49 PM
nah
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elysian | DBK | Padeniye Rossii 28-Feb-21 09:49 PM
what city.
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mupper | FotIC 28-Feb-21 09:49 PM
i live on a reservation
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elysian | DBK | Padeniye Rossii 28-Feb-21 09:49 PM
o
if the reservation is in quebec, especially the northern french quebec areas
they are ethnically french
majority
reservations are reservations
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mupper | FotIC 28-Feb-21 09:50 PM
james bay area was cree more than french
its been that way since at least 1945
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elysian | DBK | Padeniye Rossii 28-Feb-21 09:51 PM
oh you're cree?
thats pog
crees are the most based canadian first nations
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mupper | FotIC 28-Feb-21 09:52 PM
partially, yeah
other side is belarusian/jewish
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elysian | DBK | Padeniye Rossii 28-Feb-21 09:52 PM
joined up the metis to fuck up CPR surveyors
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elysian | DBK | Padeniye Rossii 28-Feb-21 09:52 PM
so.. belarusian-cree jewish metis..
dsksjbfdhvgtyg4jy lgk
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mupper | FotIC 28-Feb-21 09:52 PM
yeah
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elysian | DBK | Padeniye Rossii 28-Feb-21 09:52 PM
i mean i'm russian-ukrainian
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mupper | FotIC 28-Feb-21 09:52 PM
postwar refugees moment
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elysian | DBK | Padeniye Rossii 28-Feb-21 09:53 PM
pog..?????!
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mupper | FotIC 28-Feb-21 09:54 PM
but yeah, around like, this area, is at least mixed id say
maybe not as far east
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elysian | DBK | Padeniye Rossii 28-Feb-21 09:54 PM
alr
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DerDude | Roar of the Gryphon 07-Mar-21 10:52 AM
what would you think, how strong would leftist and communists in the US be around ~1920, when the communists revolution in Russia wouldn't have occurred yet. Especially when T.R. won the 1912 Republican nomination and is president until 1920. Could they grow into a major (maybe even radicalised) power, if an economic crisis happened and a president like Harding controlled the USA after 1921?
I would guess they could be, but I'm not sure how strong they potential is.
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Strat | Debt and Taxes 07-Mar-21 04:42 PM
well
part of the reason for the first Red Scare was indeed the communist revolution in Russia
but another was the anarchist bombings
so it'd be larger
but I think the general public would still not like them
so it'd still be limited
maybe ~20-25% popularity (edited)
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