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16 January 2020
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16:18
Citrus DogMom Corkie
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Same with sugar and spice tbf. I let oble know of their scamming and all she said was: oh that sucks! Oh well
16:18
Like what, no theres a literal scammer trying to vend and youre just smiling because they "havent done anything to the con"
Z
16:19
ZenoTheZebra
Yeah I was with a friend getting his badge right behind her booth and she was walking around barefooted I understand if you have flip flops but it’s winter
Di
16:19
Drinz is single and ready to fucking cry
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He's a good kid. Shame he got stuck in a bad position. More of a shame that he's banned from MD Furs events and chats now because of the drama surrounding this con. I don't know the whole story there, but it's something to consider.
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16:19
Abzû [🇨🇦]
Oble is a scammer herself btw, she has a beware on her and you can even look at her etsy reviews. However I won't get into that, you can search for my google form review in this chat for my experience as a vendor
Di
16:20
Drinz is single and ready to fucking cry
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She's ghosted a lot of people. She should never have been a dealer, let alone in charge of Dealer's Den. That was a massive mistake. The horror stories of other dealers will further hurt the con's reputation and they'll have trouble finding more decent vendors next time.
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16:21
ZenoTheZebra
Oh no I need to have a talk with a few friends of mine about that Tripp shouldn’t be banned for that
16:21
Now I’m pissed off
Di
16:21
Drinz is single and ready to fucking cry
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Yeah, that scans. Having roomed with her, I had to see way worse. Like... WAY worse.
A
16:21
Abzû [🇨🇦]
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Hopefully my application goes through and I can at least help the dd run smoother if there is a con next year
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Di
16:21
Drinz is single and ready to fucking cry
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Again, I don't know the whole story, just what I've heard from folks in MD Furs.
16:22
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It was bad. When I say she's what I most regret, even considering the rest of this trainwreck con, you have to understand what that means.
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16:22
Citrus DogMom Corkie
That sounds god awful
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Di
16:23
Drinz is single and ready to fucking cry
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Nope, volunteer. I've heard what the vendors were saying though. I feel bad for you guys.
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16:23
Abzû [🇨🇦]
not to mention she bragged about her profits to other vendors. SPECIFCALLY FURSUIT MAKERS..
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16:23
Sylox (busy)
I will not discuss why in here, anyone with questions is free to PM me as to why we removed him
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16:24
Citrus DogMom Corkie
Didnt he leave quietly?
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Di
16:24
Drinz is single and ready to fucking cry
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IF the application process even works
IF the con happens again
IF it hasn't devolved by that time
IF the con happens again
IF it hasn't devolved by that time
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16:24
𝕓𝕣𝕚𝕤𝕖𝕒𝕕𝕙 𝕔𝕣𝕠í
tripp apologized
C
16:24
Citrus DogMom Corkie
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I mean i would be too with how much of a shitfest this con was
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16:24
𝕓𝕣𝕚𝕤𝕖𝕒𝕕𝕙 𝕔𝕣𝕠í
he wasnt entirely aware of the situation
C
16:24
Citrus DogMom Corkie
I still find it cute these new fuckin cons are so ban happy
A
16:25
Abzû [🇨🇦]
ok i am missing something here, what exactly happened with tripp? he was a super chill guy and was great to work with.
C
16:25
Citrus DogMom Corkie
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hes always been nice to me whenever i see him :/
Di
16:25
Drinz is single and ready to fucking cry
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She WAY undercut a lot of people who she had authority over. It was horrible. Plus she put herself right by the door to increase her own visibility!
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Di
16:26
Drinz is single and ready to fucking cry
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Low prices in comparison, from what I heard.
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16:26
𝕓𝕣𝕚𝕤𝕖𝕒𝕕𝕙 𝕔𝕣𝕠í
yeah he was fantastic - he got stressed out though when he saw that anti and sharky were called out and he increased the drama surrounding it. he wasnt aware of whatd happened with them, what theyd done
Di
16:27
Drinz is single and ready to fucking cry
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He's still b& from MD Furs over it. I'm gonna ask Sylox for more deets there.
C
16:27
Citrus DogMom Corkie
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Its funny how whenever i hear this, the person has a hand in it. Not saying you directly banned him, but from experience
A
16:27
Abzû [🇨🇦]
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I would like to hang out with tripp again next year ^^ thats why I ask. As with what happened with anti and sharky I have no knowledge of.
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16:27
Sylox (busy)
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That's not why he was banned. Tripp's ban is not related to CCFC activities.
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16:27
Abzû [🇨🇦]
MD furs?
C
16:27
Citrus DogMom Corkie
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Escalating the drama isnt a valid reason to be banned but again, these new cons are ban happy it seems
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C
16:28
Citrus DogMom Corkie
"I dont like you personally so ima make my con ban you heehee"
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16:28
🌻 spunky (they/them)
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I know I'm late but I 150% agree with this and she's not my gf :p
C
16:28
Citrus DogMom Corkie
"Youre not an actual threat but ima have you banned hehehehe"
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16:29
Abzû [🇨🇦]
shouldn't banning someone from a con be a discussion with the entire team of staff? Like something of a jury at least?
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16:29
yeah
16:30
formally
Di
16:30
Drinz is single and ready to fucking cry
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Anti and Sharky have alleged connections to alt right furries
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16:30
Abzû [🇨🇦]
because before hand it is just hearsay
C
16:30
Citrus DogMom Corkie
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HAH as if. Bigger cons? Yeah. New cons? Fuck no just throw one name in and its "X PERSON BAD!"
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Di
16:30
Drinz is single and ready to fucking cry
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Thanks, that's an important distinction!
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16:30
Sylox (busy)
Sharky is not an AltRighter
C
16:30
Citrus DogMom Corkie
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Is there proof though is the question. Im against the nazi furs but its important to have evidence
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16:30
Sylox (busy)
I'm friends with the guy dude
16:30
Why would I befriend an AltRigter
C
16:30
Citrus DogMom Corkie
He said she said isnt valid evidence of a claim
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16:30
Sylox (busy)
Ask yourself that
tripp joined group by link from 👑NITRO👑
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16:31
Sylox (busy)
Sharky is at worst an Army vet with opinions that lean rightward. But AltRight? No.
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16:32
Mel
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16:32
Abzû [🇨🇦]
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everyone knows if you lean right then you are a nzi, duh (jk people who say this are dumb)
C
16:32
Citrus DogMom Corkie
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Just saying. Cause i can say that.... [insert popufur name] is a zoophile but with no evidence? Its bullshit
Z
16:32
Zerotheliger is typing...
this is also true i havent found anything against sharky. except guilt by association.
Di
16:32
Drinz is single and ready to fucking cry
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Sharky was banned for unprofessional conduct on duty, right? The "Dick Sucking Contest," drinking, stuff like that while on the clock? I feel bad that he's associated with Anti and got tangled up in the alt right discussion by association, but Sharky made bad choices as head of security.
S
16:32
So much so that I cannot and will not defend him against that
A
16:33
Abzû [🇨🇦]
thats a nono
C
16:33
Citrus DogMom Corkie
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Which isnt valid evidence to ban of course. Some people dont know who people are truly
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16:33
Zerotheliger is typing...
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but hes as far as i can tell not related at all to being alt right or a nazi
16:33
its just guilt by association to someone who has apparently had ties
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16:33
Sylox (busy)
I was witness to alot of sketchy shit that was done and said by him, since he roomed with me.
It was highly unprofessional and makes me question his decision making, integrity and lack of professionalism
It was highly unprofessional and makes me question his decision making, integrity and lack of professionalism
Di
16:34
Drinz is single and ready to fucking cry
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Anti says he's cut ties with notorious alt fur Cani Lupine but there's still association with the Furry Raiders and it's a shaky story but there's enough there to at least remove him from staff. Ask Saphy for more concrete evidence, I don't have access to it.
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Z
16:34
Zerotheliger is typing...
im only focusing on those claiming em to be a alt righter. i cant speak on the rest of what sharky did cause i didnt hear or see it.
Di
16:34
Drinz is single and ready to fucking cry
I'm still confused about how Sharky was associated with alt right
C
16:35
Citrus DogMom Corkie
I only ask for solid evidence to be presented.
Z
16:35
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16:35
didnt he originally write that paper and spread those rumors
16:35
i thought thats what yall said why he was let go
Di
16:36
Drinz is single and ready to fucking cry
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I'm realizing that now, and I'm choosing to learn from this experience
Z
16:36
Zerotheliger is typing...
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yeah loveless had alot of unfortunate impact on people.
16:36
from what i understand
16:37
its all a clusterfuck
Di
16:40
Drinz is single and ready to fucking cry
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Loveless was let go for being a Grade A organic free range cunthole who tried to take over the con by manipulating people's romantic relationships and sabotaging people's efforts to better the convention itself. If I could have my way, he'd be banned from every event I ever attend, just to keep an altercation from happening. I genuinely despise the guy on a professional and personal level. I tried talking through his issues personally, face to face, on multiple occasions, as did multiple other staff. He showed zero remorse or intent to change his ways, even when given way too many chances.
He kept saying it's okay to criticize him because he's used to cyberbullying on Counter Strike, and whenever asked why he did shitty things, he said he couldn't help it because he has autism. I despise people who say it's okay to be a twat because of a mental disorder. I have a lower opinion of Loveless than I have of almost anyone I've ever met.
He kept saying it's okay to criticize him because he's used to cyberbullying on Counter Strike, and whenever asked why he did shitty things, he said he couldn't help it because he has autism. I despise people who say it's okay to be a twat because of a mental disorder. I have a lower opinion of Loveless than I have of almost anyone I've ever met.
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16:41
Sylox (busy)
He gave off bad vibes
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16:42
Sylox (busy)
I never met him but his overall demeanor in chats wasn't pleasant
Z
16:42
Zerotheliger is typing...
He knows people onto em
S
16:42
Sylox (busy)
That's an example of someone who should be blackballed from working at any furry con.
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16:42
𝕓𝕣𝕚𝕤𝕖𝕒𝕕𝕙 𝕔𝕣𝕠í
Sorry but Loveless told me I would be his 'sidekick' at the next CCFC
16:43
as i sat there for 13 hours a day with minimal sleep
16:43
while he was in Arizona
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16:43
𝕓𝕣𝕚𝕤𝕖𝕒𝕕𝕙 𝕔𝕣𝕠í
It doesn't matter
S
16:43
Sylox (busy)
I'm curious what was his position
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16:43
𝕓𝕣𝕚𝕤𝕖𝕒𝕕𝕙 𝕔𝕣𝕠í
He treated me like I was incompetent while I was working my ass off at the convention
16:43
"""""GM""""
16:44
he came in the month right before
16:44
He did all but jack shit
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16:44
Zerotheliger is typing...
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Yeah you like tripp deserve a ton of hugs for what yall did at the con.
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16:44
𝕓𝕣𝕚𝕤𝕖𝕒𝕕𝕙 𝕔𝕣𝕠í
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16:44
Thank you
Z
16:44
Zerotheliger is typing...
And anyone else who put in tons of hours and wanted this con to work
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16:44
𝕓𝕣𝕚𝕤𝕖𝕒𝕕𝕙 𝕔𝕣𝕠í
I still have the screenshots from loveless and i boil with rage every time i look at them
Z
16:45
Zerotheliger is typing...
I appreciate all ya guys did
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16:45
𝕓𝕣𝕚𝕤𝕖𝕒𝕕𝕙 𝕔𝕣𝕠í
it takes
16:45
s o much to make me angry
16:45
even more to make me dislike someone
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16:45
𝕓𝕣𝕚𝕤𝕖𝕒𝕕𝕙 𝕔𝕣𝕠í
and ive never loathed anyone to this capacity in my lif e
Z
16:46
Zerotheliger is typing...
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Remind me to bring you a bag of salami next time i see you
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16:46
tripp
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If I am then that sucks... I really don't want the whole maryland furs group having bad connections with me, i never intended that...
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16:46
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16:47
R Λ Z / Ξ T H
Flynne salami
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16:47
𝕓𝕣𝕚𝕤𝕖𝕒𝕕𝕙 𝕔𝕣𝕠í
y e s flynne salamamaiilalaimli
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16:47
Zerotheliger is typing...
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I found this salami that when you open the bag smells like sulpher hard core.
16:47
But it tassstesss sooo good
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16:47
𝕓𝕣𝕚𝕤𝕖𝕒𝕕𝕙 𝕔𝕣𝕠í
salami is rly good on sandwiches
Z
16:48
Zerotheliger is typing...
Why is it the smelliest foods are always the best
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16:48
𝕓𝕣𝕚𝕤𝕖𝕒𝕕𝕙 𝕔𝕣𝕠í
and w fancie crackers and cheese
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16:49
Sylox (busy)
This was completely unrelated to CCFC conduct
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16:51
Sylox (busy)
But he's still on Twitter
16:51
No doubt trying to gaslight and spread rumors
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16:52
Zerotheliger is typing...
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He could always come back under a different alias
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16:53
tripp
Loveless still talks to me surprisingly...
But if he tries to bring up anything in regards to CCFC with me I immediatly stop him there because thats where I draw the line
But if he tries to bring up anything in regards to CCFC with me I immediatly stop him there because thats where I draw the line
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Di
16:53
Drinz is single and ready to fucking cry
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Pretty sure that's what Nightingale told me. It made me feel even worse after everything else. I think you're awesome, Tripp, and I really want to see you at meets and whatnot!
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16:54
Drinz is single and ready to fucking cry
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Yeah. I was struggling not to blow up in his face in front of you and Xusho. x.x
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16:54
tripp
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Thx man ❤️ I really do try to come across as not an asshole in anyway, I really do. Ive been bullied and almost murdered by plenty of em...
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16:55
Sylox (busy)
I hope he does tbh
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Di
16:55
Drinz is single and ready to fucking cry
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My mistake, I must have misunderstood what Nightingale said. It's been hard for me to parse all the information that's going around these days... ;~;
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16:56
tripp
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I honestly wanna go to the meets, but im in a bad spot aka philly and they are pretty far from me. I cant drive so I always have to request someone to drive me which sucks... I hate having to request for rides...
16:56
I always feel bad for the driver
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16:57
tripp
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I go to those, however that wont happen for a while after what has been happening with the alley that we used to go to
Di
16:57
Drinz is single and ready to fucking cry
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If I see his vacant idiot grin at another event, I will not only call him out but I'll make sure he's banned from the event for life. It's really hard for me to express my loathing for him without saying something that will get me banned here.
Z
16:57
We just got too big
M
16:58
Mel
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16:58
Zerotheliger is typing...
Were trying to set things up in the mean time.
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16:58
Sylox (busy)
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No problem, totally understand! It's a long drive from PHL to Maryland.
Di
16:58
Drinz is single and ready to fucking cry
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If Flynne and I visit Philly again, I'll let you know! I'd love to hang out.
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16:58
𝕓𝕣𝕚𝕤𝕖𝕒𝕕𝕙 𝕔𝕣𝕠í
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i go to philly every other week for at least a few hours lol
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16:59
Sylox (busy)
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I'd totally do a Caps-Flyers game with you if you're up for it
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16:59
𝕓𝕣𝕚𝕤𝕖𝕒𝕕𝕙 𝕔𝕣𝕠í
we should meet up at some point :)
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16:59
tripp
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Sadly the last one that happend was last week and the next one wont be til next month and its over at their stadium
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17:00
Zerotheliger is typing...
We all know that pens is the best team anyway...
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17:00
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17:01
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17:01
You're welcome
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17:01
NOT A PIGEON (They/them)
*points at the chat name*
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17:01
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17:02
𝕓𝕣𝕚𝕤𝕖𝕒𝕕𝕙 𝕔𝕣𝕠í
fair
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17:02
NOT A PIGEON (They/them)
Let's try not to spam this chat with unnecessary conversation since staff has to read up on all this ^^
17:02
As much as I dislike Nitro its best to keep things fair
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17:07
tripp
In regards to feedback with the con since I was a staff member, organization is key. I was hoping for more weekly or even bi-weekly meetings to occur which that seemed to lack. I was out of the loop for a lot of things happening. I also want to make a statement in regards to that one announcement I made in that chat. I should have worded that warning better and realized that it was pretty threatning when read from an outsider perspective. I would sincerly like to apologize if I made anyone uncomfortable with that wording and in general the post being made. (Context: The guards post made at the first day at the convention.) Also I want to say working with this staff was the best. I still wish I wasn't so caught up with what happened in regards to the security team. I was fed information all over and I wish I satyed neutral in that situation. I still wish I didn't talk to Raz like I did in the chat, that was very unprofessional of me. Finishing off the feedback, I just want to end it with 3 big things that would be needed for next years con: Organization, Communication, and Staffing (Too limited and put to much stress and strain on anyone exective).
17:16
My mental state was at the worst that day when all of the drama went down. My anxiety and depression went wayyy far up. I was making many bad choices that day and I still regret every single one of them...
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17:21
Maxim
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I think those three things are absolutely at the heart of everything that went awry with the con. Well stated.
Kay Fox 🏳️🌈 joined group by link from 👑NITRO👑
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18:58
R Λ Z / Ξ T H
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If you still want to talk about this, you know where to find me
Z
19:20
Zerotheliger is typing...
so if all thats stuff true why is oble still staff?
19:21
if they were pulling all that crap
Di
19:22
Drinz is single and ready to fucking cry
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I don't think Oble is still staff. If she is, she needs to be removed NOW. She WILL ruin more things.
Z
19:22
Zerotheliger is typing...
still says she is in here name too
Di
19:22
Drinz is single and ready to fucking cry
She does not have the emotional maturity to be anywhere near a position of authority.
C
19:23
Citrus DogMom Corkie
She does need to be removed. Especially after hearing how she acted at the con
Z
19:23
Zerotheliger is typing...
and that shes been ripping people off
C
19:24
Citrus DogMom Corkie
Yeah. I thought it was a one time thing when she ghosted me
19:24
But n o p e
19:25
I waited 6 months and got nothin
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19:25
Abzû [🇨🇦]
If anyone (especially staff) would like more details regarding Oble's business practices at the con, you can dm me. I have already informed Nitro of all the issues.
I have been told by nitro that she will not be removed until she signs a confidentiality form or contract.
I have been told by nitro that she will not be removed until she signs a confidentiality form or contract.
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19:25
R Λ Z / Ξ T H
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Can you contact me on that? We'd love to add that to our rappour
19:25
(i have no idea if i spelt that correctly)
Z
19:26
so shes allowed to stay if she refuses to sign?
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Di
19:26
Drinz is single and ready to fucking cry
Should I get into the embarrassing personal details of how horribly immature she was throughout the con? I have some JUICY deets that I won't go into here but I'm aching to talk about.
C
19:26
Citrus DogMom Corkie
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Yeah, i just cant say i have any records at this point as it was over a year ago
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19:26
Zerotheliger is typing...
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you already did talk about it and alot of people confirmed it
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Di
19:27
Drinz is single and ready to fucking cry
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Nonono I mean the tasty stuff that would make people really dislike her.
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19:27
Abzû [🇨🇦]
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I have asked Nitro to have her at least promise she will not reveal any personal information of any of the dealers when she is removed. I E, myself and my friends.
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19:28
R Λ Z / Ξ T H
I would comment on the situation but can't until it's handled.
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19:28
Citrus DogMom Corkie
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Shouldnt that be a thing you sign going ONTO staff
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19:29
Drinz is single and ready to fucking cry
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That's not a good sign. She's going to continue to be more and more immature about the situation until she's forcibly removed from the position, then she's going to spill a bunch of details that she really shouldn't. She's acting like a cornered animal at this point and the best way to deal with her is to remove her now and ban her if she releases any confidential information.
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19:31
Abzû [🇨🇦]
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She has everyone's credit card info, addresses, names, tax forms, very sensitive information about every single dealer.
I do not have faith in her to keep that private, especially regarding my past interactions with her.
I do not have faith in her to keep that private, especially regarding my past interactions with her.
C
19:31
Citrus DogMom Corkie
Its ridiculous
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19:31
Abzû [🇨🇦]
I do have a history with Oble.
C
19:31
Thats like
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Legit scary
19:31
Someone that immature and scammy having all that info? Hh
Di
19:32
Drinz is single and ready to fucking cry
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How did she get all of that information when she's clearly not fit for the position? Not kidding, I didn't know she was in charge of anything until Friday of the con and I was blown away by that fact, after having met her.
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19:33
Have you read my review @Dronizian
Di
19:33
Drinz is single and ready to fucking cry
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She should never have been anywhere near that position.
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19:33
Abzû [🇨🇦]
Here.
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19:33
Abzû [🇨🇦]
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Abzû [🇨🇦] 16.01.2020 11:09:33
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Abzû [🇨🇦]
I went into great detail about the dealers den.
19:33
I was also never given my badge :> oble had it the whole weekend.
19:34
And it was on the floor, the entire time.
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19:34
Drinz is single and ready to fucking cry
Also, Flynne was supposed to do a trade with Oble. Getting a custom embroidered bandana from Oble in exchange for Flynne making Oble's banner for the convention. Flynne did the banner in time for the con. There has been no indication whatsoever that Oble will fulfil her end of the bargain.
19:35
That seems to be how she operates. She should be blacklisted from all conventions as a dealer at this rate.
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19:35
Drinz is single and ready to fucking cry
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She couldn't behave like an adult, let alone a competent artist and dealer.
19:36
I feel scummy for congratulating her on her sales partway through the con. Her response to my praise was to try selling me a $125 pair of handpaws.
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19:36
Abzû [🇨🇦]
Would you like me to dm you the buyer beware on her?
Where she ghosted a client, used their fursuit commission to test her own fursuit, ignored client's request, demanded a refund, charge backed, then oble got all of furry amino staff to tell the client she was in the wrong and had her witch hunted.
Where she ghosted a client, used their fursuit commission to test her own fursuit, ignored client's request, demanded a refund, charge backed, then oble got all of furry amino staff to tell the client she was in the wrong and had her witch hunted.
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NOT A PIGEON (They/them)
Good Lord Oble gave off some really bad vibes but I didn't know it was this bad
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Drinz is single and ready to fucking cry
If she's not removed immediately from all con everything as anything but an attendee, I'm going to do what I can to organize a boycott. She can't get away with this shit just by turning on the waterworks and saying sorry until the criticism magically goes away.
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im just learning this too. i feel sorry for the dealers having to deal with this now...
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19:38
Abzû [🇨🇦]
I am going to get a bit mean here so please excuse me. Her partial that was for sale, was not worth $1000 USD. (Around $1200+ CAD in my currency).
Di
19:38
Drinz is single and ready to fucking cry
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I don't remember the actual price but I'm fairly certain it was 3 figures. Didn't look like it was worth $50.
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19:38
Abzû [🇨🇦]
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Read my reviewwwwwwwww. I talk about my whole experience as a vendoooooor.
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19:39
Border-Aussie Midnight
@AbzuTheFysh mind if I pm don't want to clutter chat with general conversation
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19:39
Sai / Ma-mow @ ??
i dont think we need to weigh in on what is worth what, can we focus more on actions?
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19:39
Abzû [🇨🇦]
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She is con staff though so the way she represents her business is also her way of representing the con.
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19:40
cause whats said in this chat will spill out
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someones probably told her already
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19:40
Citrus DogMom Corkie
When i was asking about makers for a custom suit, i didnt know how to be polite with her advertising her shit to me
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19:40
Drinz is single and ready to fucking cry
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She is a Bad Person and the fact that she's still on the staff is INCREDIBLY worrisome. Not removing her immediately after the con was a huge mistake. Putting her on staff at all was a mistake, but that could be rectified. But to learn that she still has access to confidential information that she could release in retaliation to being kicked out? This just turned into a fucking horror movie.
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19:40
Citrus DogMom Corkie
Like dude, you literally couldnt even ship me a fucking pillow for 6 months. Im not gonna buy anything from you
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19:41
NOT A PIGEON (They/them)
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But at the same time you cannot know everything about a person until you experience them
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19:41
NOT A PIGEON (They/them)
I'm not defending her in any way
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19:41
Drinz is single and ready to fucking cry
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The con should have known enough about her from all the negative reviews and whatnot BEFORE she was put on the staff.
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Let alone put in a position that gave her access to the financial records of dealers!
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Sai / Ma-mow @ ??
i think this can be summarized as vetting your staff, especially those that will have access to sensetive information and monetary
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19:43
Abzû [🇨🇦]
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They joked about dying from a seizure in a fursuit making chat on furry amino. I am in the same chat. I suffer from seizures, I did not find it funny.
However she did apologize for it, which she means she is capable of changed so she can't be blasted for everything. I think she just needs help before she starts taking on bigger responsibilities.
However she did apologize for it, which she means she is capable of changed so she can't be blasted for everything. I think she just needs help before she starts taking on bigger responsibilities.
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Fucking pardon
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im sorry what
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19:44
Abzû [🇨🇦]
Did I just kill the chat?
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Whoops.
Oble joined group by link from 👑NITRO👑
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Drinz is single and ready to fucking cry
If anyone in charge had met Oble in person before the staff positions were decided, she would not have been given any kind of position of authority. The communication there was so bad that nobody even knew what she acted like before the con.
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Drinz is single and ready to fucking cry
Pretty sure you're not the reason why it's suddenly gotten quiet.
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On the plus side, at least we don't have slow chat anymore now that it's slowed down.
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R Λ Z / Ξ T H
Ill slow chat for 1h per message
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Youre welcome
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Citrus DogMom Corkie
The ultimate betrayal
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19:50
Drinz is single and ready to fucking cry
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Can we get an F in chat bois
(But just the one, don't want to take up the whole day)
(But just the one, don't want to take up the whole day)
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19:51
Drinz is single and ready to fucking cry
I like you, Raz. You're a good egg. The con might not have my confidence, but you do. Keep being good.
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I sent an A because heck u
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Border-Aussie Midnight
Now you done it, it's all F'ed up
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Drinz is single and ready to fucking cry
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19:52
Drinz is single and ready to fucking cry
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Alright, we were having a good conversation, but now my expression mirrors ol' Griffin's here. What feedback were we on about, again?
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19:53
Sai / Ma-mow @ ??
requiring staff to sign contacts of privacy?
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19:55
Drinz is single and ready to fucking cry
That's a good conversation! So, all staff who have access to financial information should sign an NDA to avoid any illegal shit from happening, right?
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19:57
Abzû [🇨🇦]
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She should have not given the banner until the bandana was done and if she was using at a con, just yoink it off the table. I'd pay good money to see that.
19:58
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Yea please, anxiety about people having all info about me is not fun. I live in another country still, but idk who has a passport.
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19:58
Drinz is single and ready to fucking cry
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If only, if only! At the very least, this is a good learning opportunity.
19:59
Oh nonono I'm not supposed to make this about drama and "rumors." I'm trying to play within the rules.
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Abzû [🇨🇦] invited Torrent Frost@FE
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20:09
Abzû [🇨🇦]
Torrent is gay
20:09
There I talked in the chat you nerd
TF
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Torrent Frost@FE
Prove it!
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TF
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Torrent Frost@FE
Damn
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You right
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Torrent Frost@FE
Hey Spunky!
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Abzû [🇨🇦]
Torrent this is supposed to be a formal discussion. How dare you.
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Aight
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guys
20:15
keep to the discussion
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Abzû [🇨🇦]
Torrent broke a ruuuule.
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Abzû [🇨🇦]
NO
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Torrent Frost@FE
QQ
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hopefuly nitro will get them to sign an NDA
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cause too many dealers are concerned about them leaking thier information out.
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20:21
Citrus DogMom Corkie
I would be too
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20:21
Abzû [🇨🇦]
Agreed but again, community backlash would be so large, it might not be worth the risk.
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with how everyone is saying they acted at the con im pretty sure everyone knows
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20:22
Sai / Ma-mow @ ??
have them sign a NDA and ask politely to step down
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nitro getting rid of them one way or another apparently
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im only going off of what ive seen in the chat
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20:23
Sai / Ma-mow @ ??
NDA should always be signed when handling sensitive info
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20:24
R Λ Z / Ξ T H
No decisions have been made on this yet, we're looking into it
20:24
Also
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Didn't mean to do this.
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20:25
Abzû [🇨🇦]
You dork.
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20:26
R Λ Z / Ξ T H
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We haven't even properly discussed this in depth, I don't know what he's said.
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20:28
Abzû [🇨🇦]
Just a small portion of talking about having more informative staff discussions and my applications. That was it.
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He mainly called me to just say thanks on my feed back
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B)
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nitro called me too
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20:29
Abzû [🇨🇦]
Dood same.
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i was at a payphone waiting for nitro to call all of my change was spent on him
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20:30
Abzû [🇨🇦]
Where the hell do you live that still has payphones?
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20:30
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im making a maroon 5 song joke
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20:30
R Λ Z / Ξ T H
Ohare airport does
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20:30
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the payphone song
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its a song
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do yall not remember it
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20:31
R Λ Z / Ξ T H
I think that meme went over everybodies heads
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kids these days dont remember good music!
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XD
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20:32
ZenoTheZebra
That song sucked
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20:32
Abzû [🇨🇦]
Guys you're breaking the rules, we are off topic again.
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20:33
ZenoTheZebra
Sorry I had to
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the topic is going off topic!
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✨👑 Azeryth 🔛 Night Vale 🛸
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I just noticed she's on staff for another local con in my state? I'm trying to catch up on the chat here but there's a lot to unpack here.
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20:37
✨👑 Azeryth 🔛 Night Vale 🛸
I'm really busy at the moment but I'm doing my best to read along.
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ah... well that con should be contacted then too
20:38
especially if thier in a position of handling sensitive information.
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20:39
Abzû [🇨🇦]
Is it am already established convention?
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If so then they most likely have their documents in order.
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✨👑 Azeryth 🔛 Night Vale 🛸
TTFC, they just had their first year in 2019.
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20:39
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still though.. they could leak information anon online.
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20:40
How many fur cons do you guys get to have in America?
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and an nda hasnt stopped people who got nothing left to loose when everyone starts calling them out
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20:40
Abzû [🇨🇦]
Canada has like 3.
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Abzû [🇨🇦]
And 2 of them are in Ontario.
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✨👑 Azeryth 🔛 Night Vale 🛸
They were a vender at the con for the first year, and felt really uncomfortable coming by their table. (Personally, not speaking on anyone else's behalf but my own as an attendee)
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20:40
Abzû [🇨🇦]
The other one is in Vancouver. Then Camp feral is a small cabin place in northern ontario.
20:41
Like. What the heck. Vancoufur and Furnal Equinox are like in the same month too.
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20:41
Maxim
Pretty sure she's committing fraud if she were to release all that info. I dont see her risking going to the pokey.
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20:42
Abzû [🇨🇦]
The pokey? ?
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20:42
Maxim
The clink.
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20:42
Abzû [🇨🇦]
What
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Jail!
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Abzû [🇨🇦]
I'm a Canadian, I don't understand
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THEN JUST SAY THAT
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Maxim
I DID SAY THAT!
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Abzû [🇨🇦]
I don't understand your southern cowboy American accent
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✨👑 Azeryth 🔛 Night Vale 🛸
*Hat off*
Well, TTFC and AnthroExpo are both first year cons that launched pretty close. Tulsa being first, and us at the end of the month. AFAIK TTFC should have NDA like we do so that really helps. But still it helps to read feedback like this.
Well, TTFC and AnthroExpo are both first year cons that launched pretty close. Tulsa being first, and us at the end of the month. AFAIK TTFC should have NDA like we do so that really helps. But still it helps to read feedback like this.
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✨👑 Azeryth 🔛 Night Vale 🛸
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Y'isn't
My personal favorite is still y'all and my accent comes out when I'm working/focused.
My personal favorite is still y'all and my accent comes out when I'm working/focused.
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20:44
R Λ Z / Ξ T H
The whole point of the NDA is that 'dont say anything or we will sue you'
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but they havent signed an NDA yet
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you cant sue for breech if they havent signed it
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21:04
NOT A PIGEON (They/them)
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There's like 7 on the east coast all 4 hours or less apart from each other
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21:05
ccfc and a upcomming con in 2022/23
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NOT A PIGEON (They/them)
We don't need any more cons in this area ffs
21:07
It's a too many cooks situation as it is at this point
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I'm glad I talked people out of hosting a con in MD
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21:07
Abzû [🇨🇦]
PA, is still closer than fwa for me.
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21:12
Abzû [🇨🇦]
I guess having a lot of cons helps people not wanting to travel everywhere. Like me having to go to the other end of the country if I wanna go to Vancoufur
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✨👑 Azeryth 🔛 Night Vale 🛸
Oklahoma didn't have any hotel cons and suddenly it was like, "Hey here's not one but TWO!" :)
Boom, one in each of the two major hubs of the state.
I'm biased of course, but I'm super excited for AnEx. So I've been kind of reading the feedback here and there have been some really great suggestions/points.
Boom, one in each of the two major hubs of the state.
I'm biased of course, but I'm super excited for AnEx. So I've been kind of reading the feedback here and there have been some really great suggestions/points.
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But if I wanna go to Vancoufur, I can't go to FE since they are a week apart from each other.
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And Canfurence is the newest one in Ottawa, it's in the end of July but their reg is a bit weird.
21:14
It's new and very small.
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21:15
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Does mexico have a few furcons
21:15
Id love to go to one there
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21:15
Lifty 🐺
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This is true, somewhat. But conventions require that attendees plan for them for a healthy turnout. Having an area saturated with conventions dilutes the convention scene as cons fight for attendance.
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21:16
Amy Hopwood [READ BIO] 💜
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They have a couple! My bf is from Mexico haha
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21:16
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Im mexican id love to have an excuse to go down there.
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21:16
Lifty 🐺
It's different in Canada, if I understand, since travel costs are far higher up there than down here, and having smaller conventions benefits the community.
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Well mexican by adoption.
21:17
I wasnt told that i was adopted till i hit 18 and i thought i was mexican the entire time.
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Amy Hopwood [READ BIO] 💜
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Oh hell yeah! My bf is from Torreón Coahuila, but I’ve never been to Mexico lol. We’re gonna go this year!
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21:17
Lifty 🐺
In the US, furries will travel by whatever means to get to their conventions.
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21:17
Abzû [🇨🇦]
FE is the largest one in Canada. One thing that does suck is Toronto comicon is the same weekend and it's down the road from FE. So it also conflicts with attendence.
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21:17
Lifty 🐺
So it's better to have conventions spaced further apart by time and distance.
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21:18
Abzû [🇨🇦]
Yes.
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Why not a never ending furry convention didnt odin talk about that in his pcd video?
21:18
XD
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21:18
Lifty 🐺
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Yeah, in a con-saturated area conflicts between conventions is very likely.
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21:19
Abzû [🇨🇦]
Like my knowledge of Canadian fur cons.
- Vancoufur early March
- furnal Equinox, mid March
- Canfurence beginning of August
- camp feral, end of august
- Vancoufur early March
- furnal Equinox, mid March
- Canfurence beginning of August
- camp feral, end of august
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21:19
Lifty 🐺
Wasn't FWA and BLFC a week apart in 2019?
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21:19
Abzû [🇨🇦]
There's all our cons and they're all in the same time frame.
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Theres also a train furry con comming up too in the area i forgot about
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21:19
Lifty 🐺
Ugh.
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21:21
Abzû [🇨🇦]
There are small meets that happen on the Toronto Go Transit. But i don't live in Toronto so I can never go to a one day thing.
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21:23
Hopefully they do some kinda murder mystery or something.
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21:24
Sai / Ma-mow @ ??
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Those are like on opposite sides of the country at least lol
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21:26
Lifty 🐺
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Yeah, but they're large, in-demand conventions. Planning to go to both, arranging for travel and hotel and putting the PTO for both just sounds like a logistical nightmare.
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My point is this: Smaller conventions lose out when there's a lot of larger, more established events nearby, and between a smaller convention and a larger one that's maybe a week or so apart (or heaven forbid, they'd be on the same weekend) the smaller con that would need more of a boost from attendance will likely lose out.
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It's complicated to explain.
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21:30
Sai / Ma-mow @ ??
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Oh definitely I know folks who do both and it's a heck of a marathon
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21:31
Sai / Ma-mow @ ??
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I brought this up earlier in regards to this event, you had NYFB before it and MAGFEST durring it (not furry but alot of furs go)
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21:34
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Yes. However, I wouldn't blame the con for the dates, as they have to fight for availability with other events.
21:34
On That note...this convention should be 3 days only. Friday through Sunday.
21:34
Thursday was an awful day.
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Sai / Ma-mow @ ??
Agreed new event, start small add more days as demand increases
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But that also should have been in thought since both of those were about 4hrs away (not far)
21:36
Nyfb has been around for awhile and so has mag
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21:37
Lifty 🐺
Even for large events, including Thursday and planning programming for that day in particular is very difficult. In most cases, the convention doesn't see much of a benefit in including Thursday.
21:39
Friday-Sunday has been proven to be a winning formula for most events.
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Tbh con didnt really seriously pick up till friday night
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And was peak on saturday
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21:40
Lifty 🐺
Which is typical of weekend events.
21:41
As events grow you'll see the peak activity shift further back.
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21:43
It was after a holiday, thursday people went back to work/school most probably couldnt take extra time off so they either go for the 3 day weekend or arrive after work Friday
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Saphy~
Yikes
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10:08
Amy Hopwood [READ BIO] 💜
Question, if Nitro and Ultra have both stepped down, who is in charge of con operations at the moment for next year?
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NOT A PIGEON (They/them)
Could we get a statement from Nitro specifically about everything that has been said in this chat, please?
Yes Raz is doing a great job but people want to hear from the founder and chairman about these issues
Yes Raz is doing a great job but people want to hear from the founder and chairman about these issues
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12:00
Sylox (busy)
Hes sorta been MIA from this chat since its inception.
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12:01
Toby Floof
Nitro seems to be to busy owing people money lol
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12:04
ZenoTheZebra
Can we please not jump to conclusions
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12:05
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12:05
ZenoTheZebra
Trying dealing with all this and see how you will feel
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12:06
Sylox (busy)
He knew what he was doing when he got into this.
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12:06
ZenoTheZebra
I understand that
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12:06
Toby Floof
I just feel that the con would've been great if more time and planning was put into it
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12:06
ZenoTheZebra
But people jumping to conclusion and spreading rumors around doesn’t help anyone
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12:07
Toby Floof
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Well he owes me a refund as well and he told me he owes other people so 🤷♂️
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12:07
ZenoTheZebra
I’m sure you will get your money in due time
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12:08
NOT A PIGEON (They/them)
He owes former staff as well
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12:09
NOT A PIGEON (They/them)
It's been over 100 days
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12:10
ZenoTheZebra
What
12:10
100 days of what
12:10
Waiting
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12:10
Sylox (busy)
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He promised to pay back a friend of mine following the con and hasn't
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12:10
NOT A PIGEON (They/them)
Besides trying to convince them to consider the money a donation after agreeing he'll repay them
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12:11
Sylox (busy)
Not like the money owed to him is alot either
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12:11
Border-Aussie Midnight
It has not been a 100 days by my count
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12:11
ZenoTheZebra
This
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12:11
NOT A PIGEON (They/them)
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Lmao of course you would stick your nose in something you know nothing about
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12:11
Which nitro is apart of.
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12:11
NOT A PIGEON (They/them)
This was way before the con even happened
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12:12
ZenoTheZebra
Lol
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12:12
ZenoTheZebra
Say that
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12:12
R Λ Z / Ξ T H
This isn't the first time i've had to tell you that
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12:12
NOT A PIGEON (They/them)
Depts have been occuring since October
12:12
If you have then I apologise
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12:12
R Λ Z / Ξ T H
Even if I haven't its in the chat description
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12:13
ZenoTheZebra
I Believe it 🤣
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12:13
🖤Nuka🤍 (AKA 💛Queen Ki💛)
I thought this was a feedback chat
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12:13
ZenoTheZebra
This
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12:13
NOT A PIGEON (They/them)
I was stating facts is all
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12:13
ZenoTheZebra
You wanna talk shit dm are open not here
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12:13
NOT A PIGEON (They/them)
There's more going on beyond what happened at the con
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12:14
Don't do it again
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12:14
ZenoTheZebra
This
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12:14
Sylox (busy)
Why don't we all calm down
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12:14
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12:14
🖤Nuka🤍 (AKA 💛Queen Ki💛)
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Facts are that this chat is meant for constructive criticism. Not to talk shit about people.
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12:14
Sylox (busy)
And chill
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12:14
Border-Aussie Midnight
I'm sure a statement is going to be released, once things are settled. There is no use in releasing something out now if its not accurate.
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12:15
Sylox (busy)
As I stated
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12:15
R Λ Z / Ξ T H
Okay I haven't had the time to read thru what has been asked today, anything outstanding you guys have right now?
12:15
Im sure theres a lot but anything outlying thats come up as of today
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12:16
Border-Aussie Midnight
@razethion you have been fantastic, there has been a lot of positive feedback amongst it all. Can say your doing a great job no doubt about that.
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12:16
R Λ Z / Ξ T H
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Nitro didn't step down - he is currently back as con chair by chain of command. That's just currently where we are at though, and it is subject to change
12:16
Its appreciated
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12:16
NOT A PIGEON (They/them)
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How are you going to handle those two former security
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12:16
Sylox (busy)
My friend was promised payment post convention and has yet to receive compensation
I'm inclined to tell him to start charging Nitro interest seeing as he has failed to meet financial obligations.
I'm inclined to tell him to start charging Nitro interest seeing as he has failed to meet financial obligations.
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12:16
🖤Nuka🤍 (AKA 💛Queen Ki💛)
It's really annoying how this chat is supposed to help the con learn from mistakes and grow to benefit the future of the con and all I see is shit talking. If you aren't helping the con staff then leave
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12:17
NOT A PIGEON (They/them)
And the Twitter account they made leaking information?
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12:17
Sylox (busy)
Thanks Raz
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12:17
I handled that wednesday
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12:17
Border-Aussie Midnight
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As am I, working with you all has been great but again there is a lot of things to go through still and for me to get caught up on :).
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12:17
NOT A PIGEON (They/them)
Really? Good job on y'all part
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12:18
ZenoTheZebra
🤣
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12:18
NOT A PIGEON (They/them)
How'd you get it removed if I may ask
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12:18
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12:18
ZenoTheZebra
🤣
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12:18
R Λ Z / Ξ T H
Thats the funny answer, but not what happened.
We came to an agreement with them
We came to an agreement with them
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12:20
NOT A PIGEON (They/them)
Are they unbanned?
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12:20
ZenoTheZebra
Wrong one
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12:20
R Λ Z / Ξ T H
They are allowed to attend on the circumstances they cause no further issues. Under a microscope
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12:22
Toby Floof
I am owed a refund
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12:22
R Λ Z / Ξ T H
For...what? When was this talked about? Who did you talk to? Etc.
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12:22
🖤Nuka🤍 (AKA 💛Queen Ki💛)
I said my peace for my feedback in here, I'm going to leave
🖤Nuka🤍 (AKA 💛Queen Ki💛) removed 🖤Nuka🤍 (AKA 💛Queen Ki💛)
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12:22
NOT A PIGEON (They/them)
Did you all ever address the badges waved Thursday night?
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12:23
Toby Floof
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I talked to nitro about it he said to wait. I'm just trying to get a time period
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12:25
I wasn't in the loop until friday or so.
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12:26
Cy @ AC
This is kind of a random one but I reg'd as a sponsor and I don't think I was ever given my t-shirt. I was kind of confused with the alternate names for the badges (bite, snack, etc.), looked it up just now. Not a big deal but wanted to point it out.
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12:26
NOT A PIGEON (They/them)
Was it Thursday or Friday night where they waved badge checks?
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12:27
R Λ Z / Ξ T H
Thursday probably
12:27
Let me confirm
12:30
Reg wasn't $80 so we aren't actually sure what we owe you for.
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13:08
Toby Floof
Hi did you find out the time period that I'll get my refund?
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13:10
What was it for. Where did the transaction happen.
13:11
I cant help you if you dont tell me what were refunding you for.
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13:11
Toby Floof
My registration because I didnt go
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13:13
R Λ Z / Ξ T H
We don't really do reg refunds unless there is a special case in order. DM me the email you registered with, and we will look into having it roll over to next year
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13:16
Toby Floof
I'm not trying to sound like an a hole but I'm planning to never come to this drama fest, plus nitro already said he would give me my refund
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13:20
I'll talk to Nitro to confirm what was said
AH
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14:15
Toby Floof
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So you're telling me that not only did the owner of the con lie to me. He also doesn't know his own con rules?
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14:22
Mel
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Hi. Raz did not say that. No one lied to you. He said that he would need to talk with Nitro to verify information. As Nitro was the one you talked with then you should talk with Nitro to verify this.
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15:02
Papaya Tiger/Cinnamon Fennec
Hey everyone, we're still looking at the feedback you're giving us. Positive feedback is appreciated for us moving forward.
I understand a lot of you are upset, angry, frustrated, etc. However, if you're only here to cause drama, spread rumors, or flat out insult the convention or other people then we will warn you once and then remove you for any more offenses after. Again, feedback is appreciated and we're compiling everything to reorganize. Drama and insults do not facilitate this. If you have a question you can message me, @razethion or @nitrospark also be aware that we may not be able to answer you right away. Thank you.
I understand a lot of you are upset, angry, frustrated, etc. However, if you're only here to cause drama, spread rumors, or flat out insult the convention or other people then we will warn you once and then remove you for any more offenses after. Again, feedback is appreciated and we're compiling everything to reorganize. Drama and insults do not facilitate this. If you have a question you can message me, @razethion or @nitrospark also be aware that we may not be able to answer you right away. Thank you.
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15:48
Drinz is single and ready to fucking cry
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Why is Oble still on staff? I personally asked her in DMs to sign the NDA but she says she's not willing to sign it "until [she's] read it all the way through," which implies that either she's unwilling to sign it or she received it very recently. Which is it? She's refusing to even remove "ccfc staff" from her Telegram name, which could damage the convention's reputation considering her behavior.
15:52
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I worked reg on Thursday and I was as confused as the attendees. There should have been a label next to the cute labels for that. If the con has another theme next year and labels badges accordingly, they should make them more clear!
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15:59
tripp
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I kinda cant forgive her when she slammed the cake in my face during my bday at the GoH dinner...
Was fucking embarresed...
Was fucking embarresed...
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16:00
Like absolutely and shouldnt be tolerated
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16:03
tripp
When she did it I literally sat there in silence without moving cause of how much shock I was in...
Especially with the dinner being slightly formal, it really annoyed me...
Especially with the dinner being slightly formal, it really annoyed me...
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16:07
Citrus DogMom Corkie
That really sucks. Im sorry you had to deal with that :(
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16:09
tripp
I would consider jumping back on staff with ccfc once everything settles down, im not too busy with school, and it gets more organized along with new staff members I can really work with (not saying I couldnt with this year, they were good)
16:10
Rn though there is a small chance I would jump back on
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16:12
Toby Floof
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There is absolutely no such thing as positive feedback. But if you want I can spam "this con is perfect" 50000000 times in the chat so you could feel better
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16:13
🌻 spunky (they/them)
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imo, they're probably saying constructive criticism
16:14
"this con suxxx" and "i think you would do better if you did XX" are two different things
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16:16
Toby Floof
Well I mean apparently from what I've been hearing the con did suck lol. But as I said before that was going to happen none the less because this whole con was made in what a year? Well at least that's how long it took to make it public.
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16:17
Citrus DogMom Corkie
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Tbh i wouldnt mind hopping on art staff to help but with how year 1 went i dont want to put myself at that risk yknow?
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16:18
Toby Floof
But I guess from here the only way is up ammi right? Maybe the con should be on a break for a while, to get better thoughts put into it
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16:18
🌻 spunky (they/them)
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yes, but saying it sucked doesn't help them improve. which is what Cinnamon is saying.
i have told Ultra and Flynne that anything i can do to help this con succeed in 2021 and beyond, sign me up!
i have told Ultra and Flynne that anything i can do to help this con succeed in 2021 and beyond, sign me up!
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16:21
NOT A PIGEON (They/them)
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Honestly I wouldn't have minded being on staff helping with volunteers and recruitment either. It's what I do at my current job, but I heard the horror stories about being on staff and there was no way I wanted my name affiliated with that
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16:23
NOT A PIGEON (They/them)
BTW trip mind if I message you
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16:24
Citrus DogMom Corkie
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Again i truly dont mind working for cons its super fun but i saw this coming from a mile away
16:24
It was gonna fail and i decided to step back
16:25
If it managed to make it year 1, id try to volunteer but idk at the moment from the drama and debt and such
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16:26
Amy Hopwood [READ BIO] 💜
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I hope it gets better because I really wanted to attend. I ended up in the hospital lmao, but I ended up kinda glad I didn’t make the trip out this year personally...
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16:26
Citrus DogMom Corkie
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Unlucky but lucky turn of events for you in a sense
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16:27
Amy Hopwood [READ BIO] 💜
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Certainly lol, since I finally got a diagnosis I’ve been fighting for since September 🤦♀️
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16:28
Ever since I’ve started insulin I feel so much better
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16:29
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16:29
Citrus DogMom Corkie
Ill never get used to seeing my stickers haha
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17:45
Papaya Tiger/Cinnamon Fennec
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It happens sometimes, hope your day gets better!
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18:31
Dog Dad🚒🚑
Security shouldn't be wearing a bad dragon hoodie and camo pants
It's extremely unprofessional and inappropriate
It's extremely unprofessional and inappropriate
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18:32
:Loading:Zeska.... Complete :\Loading Destination>Anthrocon>2020
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Agree
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18:38
Lifty 🐺
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Yeah, that would make it difficult to tell who is on the clock and who isn't. And in an emergency other attendees would not know who to turn to.
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18:38
Anti wore that
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18:39
Sylox (busy)
Security needs to be in shirts that identify them as security
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18:39
Citrus DogMom Corkie
Blfc did it great ik the line managers and elevator managers had those bright crossing guard jackets
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18:39
Dog Dad🚒🚑
This con felt extremely unorganized
I showed up after work on a Friday and the most exciting thing I did was went to someones room and bullshitted for hours.
I showed up after work on a Friday and the most exciting thing I did was went to someones room and bullshitted for hours.
18:40
And there was a time when I had a medical episode and the headless lounge was completely out of water.
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18:40
Lifty 🐺
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Yes.
My suggestion would be to have 3 types of staff shirts available: for staff, for Medical staff, and for Security.
My suggestion would be to have 3 types of staff shirts available: for staff, for Medical staff, and for Security.
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18:42
Citrus DogMom Corkie
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It was! And they were awesome! If yall had elevator issues in suit, i recommend following in blfc's footsteps
18:42
They took a whole separate line for suiters and let them on first
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18:52
Abzû [🇨🇦]
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I do know if you asked for a small or a medium, they weren't in until Saturday due to art work tee.
18:52
Hi everyone. I just got home from work. Please end me.
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19:40
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Yep i remember that i took you around trying to find you water.
19:40
And i had to go find nitro and tell em we need water in a few places.
19:41
He fixed it after i told em.
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11:39
Drinz is single and ready to fucking cry
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It's one of the most immature things she did all weekend. Still not the top of the list, though. Behavior in the hotel room shouldn't reflect on her professionalism but she still did some very unprofessional things in the DD.
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11:44
Citrus DogMom Corkie
The barefoot thing has me grossed tf out
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11:45
Citrus DogMom Corkie
Cause dealers at blfc occasionally have like a mat down around their area. They dont want your nasty vinegar toes on that
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11:46
Dog Dad🚒🚑
Another thing that I find upsetting was the mass confusion that scheduling had
It made the con basically boring and confusing
A con shouldnt be empty at 6pm
I felt like
NO ONE was even at the con
It wasnt until the fursuit parade that I actually saw a bunch of people the entire time i was down
It made the con basically boring and confusing
A con shouldnt be empty at 6pm
I felt like
NO ONE was even at the con
It wasnt until the fursuit parade that I actually saw a bunch of people the entire time i was down
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11:46
Drinz is single and ready to fucking cry
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I understand that it will take time, but some things are too clear to wait on. When Ultra proposed removing everyone from staff and starting fresh, Oble was one of the driving factors of that decision, as was Loveless. I know it's a foregone conclusion that Oble is being kicked, but how does it help anyone to wait on that? Your response would be reasonable for all the staff members who haven't had dozens of complaints thrown their way, but as it is, having Oble on staff at this point only serves to erode trust in the convention. I was considering coming back as an attendee next year regardless of the drama and complications, but seeing as Oble is still on the staff even after all this, the convention has lost every iota of my trust, and I'll find other events to attend instead.
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11:48
Sylox (busy)
If you all can dismiss security quickly why cant Oble be let go just as fast?
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11:49
Drinz is single and ready to fucking cry
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Flynne and I organized the majority of the panels after sundown throughout the whole con. I was the main reason anything other than the rave was happening at all after dark. There were panels, but the scheduling issues meant that not a lot of people were going to them. It was a mistake on the hotel's part, but it was worse because the website had so many problems.
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11:49
Sylox (busy)
Someone who has done that poorly in a position of power should be held accountable swiftly, also the fact they have access to PII and other sensitive info on dealers is a big concern
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11:50
Dog Dad🚒🚑
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Even the lobby was empty
Like
It felt like I was walking into the hotel right now, without a furry con going on
It was dead and boring
🤷♂️
Like
It felt like I was walking into the hotel right now, without a furry con going on
It was dead and boring
🤷♂️
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11:52
tripp
I feel like thats where the issue kinda arrises, the lack of departments or lack of what even seems close to a department. Its all just one or 2 people with a lot on their plate. I didn't have a PR team, it was literally just me pulling all the weight on socials at the time
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11:54
Drinz is single and ready to fucking cry
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I personally tried to make sure the headless lounge was doing okay, but I was pulled in so many different directions as a volunteer that I wasn't able to go there hardly at all.
11:55
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Our security WAS the medical staff, as far as I could tell.
It we had dedicated medical personnel, I never heard about it.
It we had dedicated medical personnel, I never heard about it.
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11:55
Sylox (busy)
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From what Sharky told me they doubled as medical as well
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11:56
Dog Dad🚒🚑
You need more than first aid trained personnel
You need EMTs
🤷♂️
Or higher trained personnel
They shouldn't be panicking and running around looking for people who are actual EMTs to do their job
You need EMTs
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Or higher trained personnel
They shouldn't be panicking and running around looking for people who are actual EMTs to do their job
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11:57
Drinz is single and ready to fucking cry
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Oble, the dealer who was in charge of Dealer's Den, walked around barefoot in the DD while on duty. And that's just the tip of the unprofessional iceberg with her.
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11:59
Dog Dad🚒🚑
This has bothered me for a while
Was was local furry community advertising for this con so piss poor?
Barely any locals I knew actually knew this con was going on, yet furries in Arizona knew about this con
And I'm talking
Majorly social media addicted furries here
Was advertising meant for out of state furs to come in?
Was was local furry community advertising for this con so piss poor?
Barely any locals I knew actually knew this con was going on, yet furries in Arizona knew about this con
And I'm talking
Majorly social media addicted furries here
Was advertising meant for out of state furs to come in?
12:00
There were Harrisburg area furs who didn't even know this was going on
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12:01
✨👑 Azeryth 🔛 Night Vale 🛸
I heard about this con through Corkie, since it was another first year in planning.
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12:01
Papaya Tiger/Cinnamon Fennec
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We definitely could have done more advertising towards locals, and we'll get more advertising geared towards that once we can pull some stuff together.
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12:02
Sylox (busy)
Nobody down here knew of it. If it they did they passed it off as a joke or a novelty thing.
More confusing than intrigue.
More confusing than intrigue.
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12:02
Dog Dad🚒🚑
Im not trying to be an asshole, but attendance couldve been so much higher with commuting furs if locals knew about it.
And with NYFB and the Farm Show, most people legit thought this con WAS a joke
And with NYFB and the Farm Show, most people legit thought this con WAS a joke
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12:03
Sylox (busy)
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I suggest in the future utilize your PA chats and get in touch with people in Delaware, NJ, MD. You want to grow your base going forward
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12:03
Papaya Tiger/Cinnamon Fennec
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Yeah we get it and we are much more aware of our lack of local impact, we're aiming to fix that
12:03
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Yeah of course, we definitely want to work with state chats moving forward
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12:05
✨👑 Azeryth 🔛 Night Vale 🛸
Is Jingle still a part of staff?
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12:08
✨👑 Azeryth 🔛 Night Vale 🛸
Okay that's kind of relieving. They were the only person who really handled things professionally with me via PM when Nitro copied my post for my local meet group. I felt like that was just an isolated incident but I felt like after I finished speaking with Jingle it was handled.
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12:08
Sai / Ma-mow @ ??
Can also vouch my friend said they walked in to dealers den without any kind of badge or identification and was not checked or stopped
12:09
Meant to send that earlier but forgot to hit send
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12:09
Sai / Ma-mow @ ??
Security being super lax or non existent in important areas
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12:10
Papaya Tiger/Cinnamon Fennec
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Yeah we heard about that earlier. To handle this were planning on getting security and volunteers to work together on checking for badges, as well as working with the new dealers den leader
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12:10
Maxim
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On Thursday evening when I first volunteered and was assigned to security I was told by Sharky that there was a dedicated medical team made up of paramedics and EMTs I never saw any evidence of such a thing.
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12:13
Dog Dad🚒🚑
Yeah, I didnt see a single sign of EMTs, other than us off duty, non staff member EMTs
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12:17
Drinz is single and ready to fucking cry
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I stepped in a week before the con to fix scheduling stuff, proofread the schedule, point out shit like having someone assigned to two different panels at once (you're welcome for that fix, Spazz). I realized that the schedule was... sparse, to say the least. So I made three different panels to run myself, despite never running a panel in my life.
After the debacle on Thursday with people not knowing if the con would happen, the schedule was completely rearranged, undoing much of my work. I didn't have an opportunity to fix that before the con actually happened by that point.
The hotel's screens didn't give times or places for any events, and the papers by the doors of each panel room gave inaccurate information. I didn't know where my own events were being held. Nitro had to cover up the papers with tape to prevent further confusion.
On Friday I ran a "Your First Furry Con" panel, hitting all the important talking points for being a courteous and successful con attendee. Got a bunch of talking points from similar panels on YouTube. Gave some important information. My co-panelist was scheduled for another event at the same time so I had to run my first panel alone. Got the info out, was nervous as fuck, ended the panel half an hour early after talking about everything that needed to be discussed. Had about a dozen people show up.
The after dark activities were previously nonexistent aside from the rave and the pup play panel (that I heard was literally empty), so Flynne and I created two panels to fill that gap.
On Friday we borrowed Tripp's copy of Cards Against Humanity and I ran that for a few hours. Pretty successful. About ten people were there overall. Ran that alone too since Flynne was way overworked. Could have likely had more attendance if it was done in the game room. Worth trying for next time.
On Saturday night, Flynne and I worked with Gabu to make "Scenes from a Cat," a fun after dark improv game with audience participation that used a white board to combine mad libs with scenes from a hat. Fun little concoction of a panel. I'd love to run this at other cons even if I'm not staff there. It can be done both SFW and NSFW as the con requires; I'd like to run both for different audiences if given a chance again. Had about fifteen to twenty people show up. Good times, highlight of my con. Would recommend the con do it again even if I don't go. I can send people the rules if they're interested.
Again, I was supposed to be an attendee or a volunteer. I wasn't expecting to do scheduling or run panels. As far as I could tell, nobody had proofread the schedule ahead of time or checked to see what was needed. It was messy and I wish I wasn't put in charge of it without any prior experience, especially since mistakes elsewhere eliminated most of my work anyway leading up to the con.
After the debacle on Thursday with people not knowing if the con would happen, the schedule was completely rearranged, undoing much of my work. I didn't have an opportunity to fix that before the con actually happened by that point.
The hotel's screens didn't give times or places for any events, and the papers by the doors of each panel room gave inaccurate information. I didn't know where my own events were being held. Nitro had to cover up the papers with tape to prevent further confusion.
On Friday I ran a "Your First Furry Con" panel, hitting all the important talking points for being a courteous and successful con attendee. Got a bunch of talking points from similar panels on YouTube. Gave some important information. My co-panelist was scheduled for another event at the same time so I had to run my first panel alone. Got the info out, was nervous as fuck, ended the panel half an hour early after talking about everything that needed to be discussed. Had about a dozen people show up.
The after dark activities were previously nonexistent aside from the rave and the pup play panel (that I heard was literally empty), so Flynne and I created two panels to fill that gap.
On Friday we borrowed Tripp's copy of Cards Against Humanity and I ran that for a few hours. Pretty successful. About ten people were there overall. Ran that alone too since Flynne was way overworked. Could have likely had more attendance if it was done in the game room. Worth trying for next time.
On Saturday night, Flynne and I worked with Gabu to make "Scenes from a Cat," a fun after dark improv game with audience participation that used a white board to combine mad libs with scenes from a hat. Fun little concoction of a panel. I'd love to run this at other cons even if I'm not staff there. It can be done both SFW and NSFW as the con requires; I'd like to run both for different audiences if given a chance again. Had about fifteen to twenty people show up. Good times, highlight of my con. Would recommend the con do it again even if I don't go. I can send people the rules if they're interested.
Again, I was supposed to be an attendee or a volunteer. I wasn't expecting to do scheduling or run panels. As far as I could tell, nobody had proofread the schedule ahead of time or checked to see what was needed. It was messy and I wish I wasn't put in charge of it without any prior experience, especially since mistakes elsewhere eliminated most of my work anyway leading up to the con.
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12:20
Dog Dad🚒🚑
So what was with Duke the dancing dog leaving early and MFY leaving a night early?
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12:20
I had to take care of conversing with him figuring out what was going on
12:21
Thats when I blew my lid realizing too many GoH's were promissed GoH
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12:21
Sai / Ma-mow @ ??
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Part of event planning is looking at other events happening in the same area/close by those events are both reoccurring and had dates set before contract was brokered (judging by tweet timeline)
Di
12:21
Drinz is single and ready to fucking cry
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I'd like to see the numbers for staff and volunteers. I think we didn't have enough people to do things like that when we really needed to. Far as I can tell, we didn't have more than 20 or 30 people working the entire con at any given time. It was absurd how understaffed we were.
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12:22
Cons arent something I need to stress about...
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12:23
Sai / Ma-mow @ ??
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Too many GoH, (i also brought up this point but didnt see it discussed) i didnt know who was or wasnt a goh of this con
And i kinda heard what happened through the grapevine but I'll let a staff member answer that(what happened with Duke that is)
And i kinda heard what happened through the grapevine but I'll let a staff member answer that(what happened with Duke that is)
Di
12:23
Drinz is single and ready to fucking cry
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He fucking lied??? Unless he's talking about 911. I never saw anything close to medical staff, and when we had a couple medical issues happen, the radios were calling for security, not medical staff.
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12:24
✨👑 Azeryth 🔛 Night Vale 🛸
So, I'm curious about something. Forgive me if it's been covered already but did you guys have like signed contracts with all of your GOHs? (Ie. Agreements to pay their travel/room accommodations etc.) Or were these mostly just people who were planning to come anyway and you said, "Hey would you like to be one of our GOHs and help promote us?"
Di
12:24
Drinz is single and ready to fucking cry
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Same. It was really poorly planned.
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12:25
tripp
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The GoH's Sniper and Kage were put up as such super last second
Di
12:25
Drinz is single and ready to fucking cry
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I know at least some of the GOHs weren't planning on coming otherwise.
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12:25
tripp
The duke situation made me realize how promotional this con was
Di
12:26
Drinz is single and ready to fucking cry
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Oh shit, I didn't realize that. Honestly Kage coming was one of the only things that gave the con any legitimacy in my eyes. He really believed in it succeeding.
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12:26
Lifty 🐺
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This I'm curious about too. Sniper was a GoH that didn't receive much of any billing. I didn't even know he was a GOH until I reviewed the CCFC Twitter PMs
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12:28
Sai / Ma-mow @ ??
I honestly didnt know Duke was Goh until he talked to me lol
t
12:28
tripp
Nitro promised too many people GoH
Di
12:28
Drinz is single and ready to fucking cry
Not gonna lie, it's been a few weeks and I still can't name all the GOHs off the top of my head
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12:28
Sylox (busy)
6 GOHs is...unheard of for a furry con.
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12:29
Sylox (busy)
Yeah that's overkill at that point.
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12:29
✨👑 Azeryth 🔛 Night Vale 🛸
I can see having 3 different types of GOHs max personally unless they're like duos/couples.
Artist/maker, Fursuiter, Musician/Entertainer
Artist/maker, Fursuiter, Musician/Entertainer
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12:29
tripp
Odin, Riley, Saphi, Xusho, MFY, Tuners, Sniper, Kage (And duke)
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12:30
tripp
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duke is in parentheses because of the BS that I had to deal with discovering he was promised GoH
Di
12:30
Drinz is single and ready to fucking cry
I only knew 2 of the GOHs before the con. The rest were just... people I'd never heard about. Maybe that's because I don't follow TikTok?
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12:30
✨👑 Azeryth 🔛 Night Vale 🛸
Because I remember reading 6 and thinking, "How can they afford this???" And then today I'm hearing Kage, Sniper, Duke and a few others
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12:31
Kage was listed as special guest on the site
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12:31
tripp
The con defintely thought fame before money
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And saying that makes me sick
Di
12:31
Drinz is single and ready to fucking cry
I hate TikTok with a burning passion. I know other furs who do too. Spending so much money on so many TikTok famous furs was a mistake.
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12:32
Sai / Ma-mow @ ??
But I dont think those were even tiktok famous folks?
Di
12:32
Drinz is single and ready to fucking cry
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It's legitimately openly anti-LGBT! 👉😎👉
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12:32
tripp
The new GoH's are literally all fursuiters, no variety at all
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12:32
✨👑 Azeryth 🔛 Night Vale 🛸
Usually, and correct me if I'm wrong here, isn't it the con who pays for the GOH's accommodations/travel and the dinner? There's an agreement that's signed between the con and the GOH that should outline everything covered and expected etc.
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12:32
Sai / Ma-mow @ ??
Tuners was the only one that I could name as a tiktok
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12:32
Dog Dad🚒🚑
Now
Moving forward
Do yall think this con can recover from this PR nightmare and be successful?
I'm asking for an honest answer because I've seen a lot of distrust over this
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Moving forward
Do yall think this con can recover from this PR nightmare and be successful?
I'm asking for an honest answer because I've seen a lot of distrust over this
🤷♂️
Di
12:33
Drinz is single and ready to fucking cry
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I wouldn't know. Even after the con, I only know what three of the GOHs are famous for.
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12:33
Sylox (busy)
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Anything is possible of you have the right people at the helm
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But yea its possible to recover
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12:34
Sai / Ma-mow @ ??
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That is usually the case, they set aside rooms and even travel costs but I am unsure what the situation was here
Di
12:35
Drinz is single and ready to fucking cry
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Personally, I don't have any faith in this convention's success anymore. Not booting Oble immediately after getting the NDA signed was the straw that broke that camel's back. I won't even go to this con as an attendee if they give me free admission and a hotel room.
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12:35
tripp
I have a feeling nothing was signed or discussed
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12:35
Sylox (busy)
I think they can first start by hiring someone with good PR skills to put fires out and get people on a coherent message.
Otherwise you aren't gonna really recover from this
Otherwise you aren't gonna really recover from this
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12:35
Maxim
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He told me Security was the medical staff. Granted his demeanor and attitude turned me right off during that conversation. Gave me the impression he thought con security was like LA SWAT or something. Very full of himself.
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12:36
tripp
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I have a feeling if I had a team and not just me, the PR side of things would have been flawless, but I had so much shit on my plate that it was unbearable
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12:36
Abzû [🇨🇦]
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I think it can improve. First year cons are never going to be perfect. Even well established cons have their issues and miscommunications. (mff reg for artist marketplace people was a Lil wonky for example). With us giving feedback and the troubled staff being removed from the scene will help a lot.
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12:36
Lifty 🐺
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Technically, Odin was supposed to be the "surprise guest," but we just kinda threw the announcement to the wind and just promoted him with tweets and the flyers
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12:37
Sai / Ma-mow @ ??
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The whole convention needed better communication to you it's in no way your fault
Di
12:37
Drinz is single and ready to fucking cry
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"Set aside" is a generous term. Without any kind of financial team, the con had no idea how to handle any kind of money whatsoever. Hell, they're supposed to have a treasurer even if only in order to become a 501c3 nonprofit, but they had nobody in that role last I heard!
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12:38
Excuse me what
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12:38
Sai / Ma-mow @ ??
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Oh yes a very public murrsuiter :) very family friendly choice
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12:38
✨👑 Azeryth 🔛 Night Vale 🛸
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This is so important, I don't believe PR should fall on one person. You need at least one or more people to aid you with those sort of tasks. I was PR for a year and it was rough. When I stepped down the role was restructured and works much better with a team.
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12:38
Sylox (busy)
That's a problem then if nobody has stepped up to be the Treasurer
Di
12:38
Drinz is single and ready to fucking cry
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Raz said earlier that the NDA was a recent development and that Oble has now signed it but also she wasn't kicked off the staff yet.
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12:40
✨👑 Azeryth 🔛 Night Vale 🛸
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I...I can't make a comment on this that would be appropriate for this chat.
Di
12:40
Drinz is single and ready to fucking cry
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The guy's pretty full of himself. Fun to party with, less fun to work with.
I think he'd have been... okay as con security staff, if he's kept from being overzealous, but absolutely not as head of security.
I think he'd have been... okay as con security staff, if he's kept from being overzealous, but absolutely not as head of security.
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12:40
tripp
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Yea I was being called on the radio like every 5-10 seconds and I had no time to even enjoy the con. The only day I kinda enjoyed was my BDAY but I was still doing a lot
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12:41
tripp
They need teams for every department
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12:41
Sylox (busy)
One person cant do the job
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12:41
tripp
Not just one person handeling everything in their department
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12:41
✨👑 Azeryth 🔛 Night Vale 🛸
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My phone would be dinging non-stop during big announcements for us. It was a lot of pressure. Especially during some not so great times early on.
12:42
Baby's first con :)
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12:42
NOT A PIGEON (They/them)
Or as a suggestion: do not do anything until you have a specific number of staff or teams. Halt plans for next year until you have a guaranteed number of staff
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12:42
✨👑 Azeryth 🔛 Night Vale 🛸
I'm totally speaking on my own behalf and no one else's, FYI.
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12:42
NOT A PIGEON (They/them)
How many people were on staff this year at the convention, before pulling attendees to help
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12:42
Abzû [🇨🇦]
As for GOH, a convention needs to have a maximum of 2. Furnal Equinox only ever has 2, maybe a surprise extra if it's there. They always have one artist/craftsman and 1 entertainer or dancer. Keeping to those types of people, they can also schedule panels around things they do. This year's is an artist and youtuber/biologist. There is even going to be a super sponser trip to the aquarium hosted by him.
How CCFC managed to get this many GOH and have nothing really involving them is beyond me.
How CCFC managed to get this many GOH and have nothing really involving them is beyond me.
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12:43
tripp
The excutive chat I believe only had as high as 14 or 15 members
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if not less
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12:43
Hence why the Duke situation for me was a wake up call
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12:43
Abzû [🇨🇦]
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Mainly as an incentive for people to go but it ended up being a terrible idea.
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12:44
NOT A PIGEON (They/them)
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And what positions were there beyond Art, PR and security
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12:44
Sylox (busy)
Which okay cool, but GOHs wont drive attendance that much and if you do nothing with said GOHs you're kinda just using them.
12:44
I'll say this
12:44
7 is bold but if you're gonna do that you'd better do a showstopper of a convention
Di
12:45
Drinz is single and ready to fucking cry
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There was nobody to run the numbers throughout the whole thing.
Nitro said he'd spent hours running the numbers before the con to figure things out, but no personal offense to him, he's not cut out to be in charge of large sums of money. He desperately needs an accountant, but as far as I can tell, there's nobody with that kind of experience on the team.
As his friend (and someone with cash handling experience) I helped count the cash for the charity donation, but I wasn't really vetted beforehand. I was able to do it because I'm friends with so many staff. I recommend that next year all volunteers who handle anything monetary, including charity bucket brigade and registration, go through at least a cursory background check, just to be sure. I have no reason to believe any money was mishandled by any staff throughout the con, but it's always good to be sure.
Nitro said he'd spent hours running the numbers before the con to figure things out, but no personal offense to him, he's not cut out to be in charge of large sums of money. He desperately needs an accountant, but as far as I can tell, there's nobody with that kind of experience on the team.
As his friend (and someone with cash handling experience) I helped count the cash for the charity donation, but I wasn't really vetted beforehand. I was able to do it because I'm friends with so many staff. I recommend that next year all volunteers who handle anything monetary, including charity bucket brigade and registration, go through at least a cursory background check, just to be sure. I have no reason to believe any money was mishandled by any staff throughout the con, but it's always good to be sure.
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12:45
tripp
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Game room, Photography, DJ coordinator, events... thats all I can really remember. Everything else is like treasurer and chairman which we already established
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12:46
Lifty 🐺
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Was there a charity liaison from the charity assisting at all?
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12:46
Sylox (busy)
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Tbh they should do an audit to make sure all the money went to the right places and wasn't mishandled
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12:47
NOT A PIGEON (They/them)
Can we also get proof that the money was sent to a charity
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12:48
Drinz is single and ready to fucking cry
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Considering I was pulled in a week before the con, would I count in that number?
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12:48
✨👑 Azeryth 🔛 Night Vale 🛸
If nothing else, please show us the money went to the right place.
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12:48
Sylox (busy)
It is a Non profit and you are allowed to request to see financial documentation.
Idk if they have those numbers available though
Idk if they have those numbers available though
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12:49
✨👑 Azeryth 🔛 Night Vale 🛸
What happens if they can't provide that documentation?
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12:50
Dog Dad🚒🚑
Other than the Dogbomb thing, why wasn't a local charity chosen?
Legit it's so easy to mishandle funds when you have a charity that's not local, and has to be transferred long distance or via online transaction
(I'm unsure if this is going to convey like I want it to)
Legit it's so easy to mishandle funds when you have a charity that's not local, and has to be transferred long distance or via online transaction
(I'm unsure if this is going to convey like I want it to)
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12:51
✨👑 Azeryth 🔛 Night Vale 🛸
I really hate to say this...but I think choosing ALS was definitely a part of the whole promotional thing with this event.
Di
12:52
Drinz is single and ready to fucking cry
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No clue. I joked all weekend that "if the charity folks cry on stage when hearing the donation total, then the con was successful," but I didn't see anyone from the charity at the con at all. I think we just sent them the money after the con was done.
Side note, I heard some attendees question the choice of charity, saying it should have been animal oriented like xyz other con. I disagree with that considering how recently we lost Dogbomb to ALS. That said, it would have been nice to see the charity represented in some way at the con.
Side note, I heard some attendees question the choice of charity, saying it should have been animal oriented like xyz other con. I disagree with that considering how recently we lost Dogbomb to ALS. That said, it would have been nice to see the charity represented in some way at the con.
12:52
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Absolutely, we as attendees should have proof that our money is going where the con says it is!
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12:53
Dog Dad🚒🚑
I know of several animal based charities locally that could've used the boost.
Big time.
There is a no kill shelter about 30 min away that could majorly benefit from this, and I was disappointed when my suggestion was lost.
Big time.
There is a no kill shelter about 30 min away that could majorly benefit from this, and I was disappointed when my suggestion was lost.
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12:55
tripp
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For me I trust local charities more than mass charities cause I know most CEOs of charities turn money hungry
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12:56
✨👑 Azeryth 🔛 Night Vale 🛸
I mean hey, it's wonderful that they through a charity auction twice for ALS. A donation is a donation needed, always. But I think it was chosen for the wrong reason.
I remember when we all went dark on Telegram for 5 minutes and then Nitro messaged one of my friends asking her if she liked the lei icon he made. And asked her to add credit for the icon to her bio...it was like what? Are you kidding me right now?
I remember when we all went dark on Telegram for 5 minutes and then Nitro messaged one of my friends asking her if she liked the lei icon he made. And asked her to add credit for the icon to her bio...it was like what? Are you kidding me right now?
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Di
12:56
Drinz is single and ready to fucking cry
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And yet, when any staff asked Nitro about any kind of money stuff, he said "it's handled." Even when Ultra and Flynne were co chairpersons, Nitro wouldn't give them the financial information, even though they needed it to know how to spend money for next year.
Please don't take this as an accusation that Nitro is doing anything shady, I'm pretty positive he just thought he could handle it all himself, or he wanted to hide the debt from people. Either way it was one of the main reasons Flynne and Ultra left, from what I heard.
Please don't take this as an accusation that Nitro is doing anything shady, I'm pretty positive he just thought he could handle it all himself, or he wanted to hide the debt from people. Either way it was one of the main reasons Flynne and Ultra left, from what I heard.
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12:57
Sylox (busy)
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I'm not sure. The con ended only 2 weeks ago so it may not be soon enough to have all the finances documented.
If they refuse to share then that's another separate issue all together
If they refuse to share then that's another separate issue all together
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12:57
🌻 spunky (they/them)
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from my pov, only verbal/telegram agreements. "you wanna be goh?" we'll pay/reimburse you for travel/reg/hotel"
Di
12:57
Drinz is single and ready to fucking cry
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It would be a great charity for future years.
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12:57
Sylox (busy)
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And this is not good. Contracts should have been written up and signed
12:57
That way nobody screws over the others and it becomes they said/they said based upon verbal agreements
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12:58
tripp
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Speaking through soicals on a business related deal should have never occured...
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12:59
✨👑 Azeryth 🔛 Night Vale 🛸
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Oh right, well I'm sure no one would be requesting until next month realistically. (?)
I would hope they wouldn't refuse, I feel like that would not be in their best interest? Admittedly I'm still learning things as I go here legally.
I would hope they wouldn't refuse, I feel like that would not be in their best interest? Admittedly I'm still learning things as I go here legally.
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13:00
✨👑 Azeryth 🔛 Night Vale 🛸
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I could share stuff here but I feel like it wouldn't be very productive.
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13:01
Lifty 🐺
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Probably a VIP Relations department would alleviate those issues for the future.
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13:01
✨👑 Azeryth 🔛 Night Vale 🛸
Nobody likes paperwork, but it's so very important to have.
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13:01
🌻 spunky (they/them)
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i also tend to be a very trusting person. i had no idea they were going to have 7 GoH
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13:02
Drinz is single and ready to fucking cry
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I could share a lot of stuff that I won't, but none of it would likely count as constructive criticism.
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13:04
✨👑 Azeryth 🔛 Night Vale 🛸
Despite some very ugly things coming to surface in here, I do think this chat has had some invaluable suggestions and feedback since it was opened.
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I'm sure the staff members who truly believe in this event appreciate it. Even if some of what they're reading is a hard pill to swallow.
Di
13:08
Drinz is single and ready to fucking cry
This con might end up having another year, and it might be successful. But until I see that it's been successful and enjoyable for attendees AND staff, I don't think I'll be going back.
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13:18
Torrent Frost@FE
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Okay seriously... You all need to get your heads out of your... Well, you know.
https://youtu.be/qNJOE6tts4U
https://youtu.be/qNJOE6tts4U
AH
TF
13:22
Torrent Frost@FE
Why? Because at some point in his life he decided to do adult activities as an adult?! Listen, the fact that the fandom cannot get it off their heads that he has this past and acknowledges it and actively works against the stigma attached to it is utterly disgusting and toxic.
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13:23
✨👑 Azeryth 🔛 Night Vale 🛸
I don't follow Odin, I only know the murrsuit thing. There's nothing wrong with murrsuiting.
Di
13:23
Drinz is single and ready to fucking cry
He burned his murrsuit
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So that tells you something about his personality, I think
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Anyway, that's neither here nor there.
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13:23
✨👑 Azeryth 🔛 Night Vale 🛸
I wouldn't flip out on people for just literally not knowing the "changes" people have made.
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13:23
Citrus DogMom Corkie
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I literally found out twilight saint was a GOH the day before ccfc
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13:25
Citrus DogMom Corkie
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Yeaaaah i dont particularly find him a good choice in GOH but it is what it is i guess
AH
TF
13:26
Torrent Frost@FE
From something that was almost 10 years ago?
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13:26
Abzû [🇨🇦]
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You mean the guy who doesn't do it anymore? Even if he does, who cares?
AH
13:27
Amy Hopwood [READ BIO] 💜
I don’t mind Odin at all and I don’t mind murrsuiters lol, but that kind of content just doesn’t strike me as something that makes for a good choice for a GOH for a family friendly con.
Just my personal opinion on the matter, nothing against Odin at all.
Just my personal opinion on the matter, nothing against Odin at all.
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D
13:27
Dog Dad🚒🚑
Just saying but
I have a murrsuit too, and I guarantee that thing is cleaner than a lot of SFW suits
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Anyway
I have a murrsuit too, and I guarantee that thing is cleaner than a lot of SFW suits
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Anyway
AH
Di
13:27
Drinz is single and ready to fucking cry
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I heard he was a nightmare for the con to work with. Originally said he would go home right after some panel and wouldn't even stay the whole weekend.
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13:28
tripp
I dont know Odin personally, I did meet him and hung out with him at him room during ccfc. Im cool with him but not sure vise versa XD
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13:28
Sai / Ma-mow @ ??
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i dont have problem with murrsuits, I just find I just find him a strange choice, since for me I dont follow him my only experience and exposure to him was the murrsuit stuff, that stuff is still out there whether he doesnt do it anymore or not, but like that is what I know him for
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13:28
✨👑 Azeryth 🔛 Night Vale 🛸
I think this conversation could get really messy and we should move on. It's clear some of us have very strong opinions on this topic.
Torrent Frost@FE invited Odin Wolf
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13:28
Amy Hopwood [READ BIO] 💜
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13:28
✨👑 Azeryth 🔛 Night Vale 🛸
Oh boy
Di
13:29
Drinz is single and ready to fucking cry
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He seemed hard to read. Not sure what it was about him that didn't sit right with me. I didn't hear about his history until way after that initial impression.
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13:29
✨👑 Azeryth 🔛 Night Vale 🛸
Can we please just move back onto feedback?
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13:29
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13:29
Abzû [🇨🇦]
Odin just has resting bitch face :3
Di
13:29
Drinz is single and ready to fucking cry
Maybe he was just grumpy because he had to work under Oble?
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13:29
tripp
Yea I dont want to fixate on specific Guest of Honors, focus on the con please.
AH
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13:29
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13:29
Odin Wolf
Well hello.
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13:29
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13:30
Papaya Tiger/Cinnamon Fennec
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Lets stop assuming things about other people that we don't know personally, please. Keep it to feedback.
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13:30
✨👑 Azeryth 🔛 Night Vale 🛸
I'm in danger.
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13:30
Sai / Ma-mow @ ??
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my appologies for being selective, I didnt mean it as an attack on him, i just was pointing out the kinds of GOH and the plethera that were selected
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13:30
Odin Wolf
I find it interesting you don’t think I’m a fit choice for a guest of honor position due to videos I created almost 10 years ago that I’ve addressed and moved on from.
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13:30
Abzû [🇨🇦]
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If that is such an issue then why allow NSFW art to be sold in the DD if the con is supposed to be "family friendly"
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13:31
Odin Wolf
I’ve fought for a long time against the stigma of my past and when I hear comments like those said in this chat, it really disappoints me.
13:31
I get hate every single day from people saying these exact things.
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13:32
✨👑 Azeryth 🔛 Night Vale 🛸
Are we really doing this right now?
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13:32
Odin Wolf
Perhaps you should do some research and look into things before spouting negativity.
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13:32
Citrus DogMom Corkie
Seems like it
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13:32
Odin Wolf
Yes.
Di
13:32
Drinz is single and ready to fucking cry
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Personally I don't think that's an issue. The amount of GOHs was more of a concern to me than who was actually GOH. Frankly I didn't know who you were before the con. Liked your booth in DD, at least.
AH
13:32
Amy Hopwood [READ BIO] 💜
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As @Azeryth said, this is probably not going to be a productive topic to fixate on and the chat should probably focus on constructive feedback.
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13:32
Odin Wolf
I agree that there were too many GoH!
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13:32
tripp
K now thats over, lets move on from the topic of odin please
Di
13:33
Drinz is single and ready to fucking cry
Considering that the con has announced only (only!) 3 GOHs for next year, it's a moot point.
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13:33
Odin Wolf
I deserve to have an opportunity to say something to a group who were speaking Ill of me, but I’m done now.
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13:34
✨👑 Azeryth 🔛 Night Vale 🛸
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I apologize, I don't know you. I only know of your suit and past things. You are valid and I now I know.
13:35
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The GOHs for CCFC were already announced or do you mean for another con?
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13:35
Sai / Ma-mow @ ??
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you definitely deserve to defend yourself, and I seriously apologize for saying what I said
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13:35
Odin Wolf
It’s fine. I just encourage people to really think before they say things that damage someone’s reputation or make assumptions about their character :3
?
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13:36
Odin Wolf
I ironically /just/ made a video about change- and how I’ve changed and I get hate every day. That’s why this is a bit on the nose
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13:37
✨👑 Azeryth 🔛 Night Vale 🛸
If that's not you now, fine that's great. There's nothing wrong with murrsuits either. We did see the video your friend posted here.
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13:37
tripp
Guys can we please move on from the topic of personal issues
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13:37
✨👑 Azeryth 🔛 Night Vale 🛸
Is...is this turning into a GOH sit down?
13:37
I'm
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13:38
Abzû [🇨🇦]
Yes. Odin sit down.
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13:38
✨👑 Azeryth 🔛 Night Vale 🛸
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Sorry I just wanted a chance to reply as well.
Di
13:38
Drinz is single and ready to fucking cry
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No, the CCFC 2021 GOHs were announced at closing ceremonies
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13:38
✨👑 Azeryth 🔛 Night Vale 🛸
I've got like 4 things going on so I apologize if I'm chicken-brained at the moment
Di
13:39
Drinz is single and ready to fucking cry
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I only remember Shadow, because he was in the crowd when it was announced. The other two are also fursuiters, from what I can tell.
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13:39
Odin Wolf
Shadow, Fluke, and I didn’t catch the third GoH
13:40
Anyway, for what it’s worth, I enjoyed CCFC a lot despite the hiccups. I was glad to have the opportunity to be GoH for my first time ever.
13:41
Scheduling was a bit of a nightmare, the dealers den was...
13:41
....yeah
13:41
And I don’t think people checked badges most of the time too :/
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13:41
✨👑 Azeryth 🔛 Night Vale 🛸
I don't think I would be announcing GOHs for a second year if I wasn't sure if we could afford the hotel itself. I'm assuming it was a one-off contract and not a multi-year?
13:41
Sorry if that sounded harsh
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13:42
Abzû [🇨🇦]
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That was due to being understaffed and not having any volunteers available to do it.
TF
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13:42
✨👑 Azeryth 🔛 Night Vale 🛸
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I keep hearing about how the DD was a nightmare...
13:42
What happened?
AH
13:42
Amy Hopwood [READ BIO] 💜
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No need to apologize lol, it’s a legitimate concern*
TF
13:42
Torrent Frost@FE
Yep
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13:42
Odin Wolf
Yeah have a ton of issues with DD but I’m not sure if it’s appropriate for me to voice them as a former GoH?
Di
13:42
Drinz is single and ready to fucking cry
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My badge was checked. I've heard that a lot of other people's weren't. It's a major concern that I'm sure will be handled when CCFC has enough staff for that. It really was a skeleton crew, hence the numerous "hiccups."
AH
13:43
Amy Hopwood [READ BIO] 💜
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I read the word nightmare in your message and typed that instead of concern LOL
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13:43
Sai / Ma-mow @ ??
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this is a feedback chat please voice issues, goh or not its important that all feedback positive or negative is taken into consideration
Di
13:43
Drinz is single and ready to fucking cry
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As a dealer, you have every right to voice them. However, the person who was previously in charge is no longer on the staff. She resigned within the last couple hours.
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13:44
✨👑 Azeryth 🔛 Night Vale 🛸
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I was going to PM you but I really am sorry for before. Please forgive
t
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13:44
Odin Wolf
Well most of the issues were with her as a leader, so I guess that’s it.
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13:45
Amy Hopwood [READ BIO] 💜
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honeycomb cereal time... with sugar free almond milk LOL. As if the sugar free milk offsets the sugary cereal... 😂
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13:45
Odin Wolf
Allowing some dealers to pack up hours early. She started to break down before it was done making it seem like the DD was closed. Random announcements about hours changing. Oble left her space a total mess after she left- really bad. Her talking about how she was doing well boasting to other dealers. No one was checking badges on exit.
Di
13:46
Drinz is single and ready to fucking cry
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I barely spent any time in the DD and I had major problems with her being in charge of it.
I roomed with her too. So.
Anyway, it's done with, for the most part. I'm sure the next person in charge of DD won't also sell there, and I'm sure they'll take all the previous criticism into account when they're running it.
I roomed with her too. So.
Anyway, it's done with, for the most part. I'm sure the next person in charge of DD won't also sell there, and I'm sure they'll take all the previous criticism into account when they're running it.
AH
13:46
Amy Hopwood [READ BIO] 💜
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That’s the good thing, it can basically only get better from year 1. Lol
t
13:46
tripp
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Yea I heard about her boasting from a lot of people from dealers den
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13:47
Odin Wolf
I expect staff from a convention to be professional.
13:48
Emails and communication should also be professional. The grammar in the dealer emails was also poor. It’s just stuff like that that delegitimizes an event.
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13:48
✨👑 Azeryth 🔛 Night Vale 🛸
I realize that this is the CCFC feedback chat, but I'm a little concerned that she's leading another DD here in Oklahoma for TTFC.
AH
13:48
Amy Hopwood [READ BIO] 💜
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Wait... Oble is in charge of the TTFC DD too?
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13:48
tripp
Ttfc?
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13:49
✨👑 Azeryth 🔛 Night Vale 🛸
I have to say, thank you letting us have these discussions openly like this with you guys. I can see it benefiting others as well, honestly.
Di
13:49
Drinz is single and ready to fucking cry
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Some of those issues were more internal than just problems with Dealers Den. I was the one who realized the website said DD closed at 2 when it really closed at 4 on Sunday, and I was the one running around telling dealers about that error, saying they were allowed to leave if they were already leaving or they could stay and make more sales last minute. I was too late figuring that out, though, and some people had already left by the time I got it fixed.
AH
13:49
Amy Hopwood [READ BIO] 💜
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