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Coupon12 14-Aug-21 10:48 AM
I was born and raised atheist As an atheist i had an awful time. I was like chris in a lot of ways. I was transgender, lazy, etc I tried many psychiatrists, psychologists, medications, etc They all did NOTHING Waste of money ONly thing that could make me hard-working and straight was Islam
I quit estrogen for good the same day I converted to Islam I started going to the gym to become a cute boy I started studying harder so I could get a good job so I could get a wife one day
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Regia 14-Aug-21 10:55 AM
thoughts on the israeli/palestinian conflict?
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thoughts on the israeli/palestinian conflict?
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Coupon12 14-Aug-21 10:56 AM
i'm not knowledgable on the history so i can't really form an opinion
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Regia 14-Aug-21 10:56 AM
alright, i respect that
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Coupon13 14-Aug-21 02:26 PM
Salam wu alaykum @Coupon12
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Nooraana 14-Aug-21 05:41 PM
Only in the remembrance of Allah do the hearts find rest 🙏
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I quit estrogen for good the same day I converted to Islam I started going to the gym to become a cute boy I started studying harder so I could get a good job so I could get a wife one day
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Nooraana 14-Aug-21 05:43 PM
Remember that we go to the gym not to please people or be attractive, but to please the creator who gave us that body, and then using that strength to do good (whether that be learning self defense, or helping out our parents, or volunteering)
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Salam wu alaykum @Coupon12
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Coupon12 14-Aug-21 11:41 PM
hi human x)
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hi human x)
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Coupon13 14-Aug-21 11:41 PM
Where you been
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Coupon12 14-Aug-21 11:41 PM
Working
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Working
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Reborn 14-Aug-21 11:42 PM
Based worker
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Remember that we go to the gym not to please people or be attractive, but to please the creator who gave us that body, and then using that strength to do good (whether that be learning self defense, or helping out our parents, or volunteering)
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Coupon12 15-Aug-21 03:47 AM
Also i think you should go to gym to become visually pleasing because it can help you get a wife and it's important to get a wife ASAP so you can avoiding temptations like staring at girls in public (edited)
Let me find the source (edited)
Now that we have seen how much importance Islam has accorded to marriage and marital life you would perhaps ask, “How do we select a spouse? What are the guidelines provided by Islam in this regard? Do we look for some particular characteristics or just try to get the best from the worldly point of view?” Are Pre-Marital Contacts Necessary? Ali ...
F. Physical and Mental Health Though religiousness and piety are most important, it does not mean that we totally disregard the physical appearance and beauty of the prospective spouse. The Holy Prophet (S) says, “When one intends to marry a woman, he should ask about her hair, just as he asks about her face (beauty), since the hair is one of the two beauties (of women).” 12
i believe it is reasonable to have some expectations of physical appearance, since we should put in the work to be visually pleasing beautiful humans
exercise, diet, washing face during wudu, brushing and flossing, cutting hair, 'etc (edited)
unlike incels, i don't demand others to be attracted to me when i'm a fat smelly neckbeard. I would like to be visually pleasing for a spouse, and also have reciprocal expectation that they are visually pleasing too (edited)
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 03:54 AM
Being a tomboy, I do think there is basic hygeine a woman should have
I just dont get all girly
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Coupon12 15-Aug-21 03:54 AM
x)
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Nooraana 15-Aug-21 08:23 AM
Ye for Muslims hygiene is mandatory or we can’t pray
Even our pubes and underarm hair have to be trimmed
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 08:34 AM
Oo I see, interesting
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Nooraana 15-Aug-21 11:09 AM
So I’m a TA at an Islamic college and we had some ex-convicts come and discuss their experience
And I just remembered
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Oo I see, interesting
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:10 AM
R u not Muslim?
@Coupon12 hey
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Nooraana 15-Aug-21 11:10 AM
They’re Christian
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Coupon12 15-Aug-21 11:10 AM
x)
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:10 AM
Lool
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@Coupon12 hey
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Coupon12 15-Aug-21 11:10 AM
hi human x)
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hi human x)
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:11 AM
What up sooop
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Nooraana 15-Aug-21 11:11 AM
All of them said that Islam made 0 sense, even though they had been given a copy of the translation of the Quran and all that jazz, until they chose to change themselves years later
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They’re Christian
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 11:11 AM
With eastern thinking in it
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:11 AM
Can I be mod lol
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Can I be mod lol
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Coupon12 15-Aug-21 11:11 AM
Sorry but i don't know you very well, and we have to be really careful in adding moderators because of possible social engineering from trolls (edited)
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:11 AM
You forgot know me though
Do*
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Nooraana 15-Aug-21 11:12 AM
Unless Chris changes himself or wants to change himself, we can’t do anything but invite. So don’t feel bad if/when he doesn’t understand Islam
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:12 AM
From extomato
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 11:12 AM
I love to be able to learn this side of Islam tbh, America's v judgemental about it in general
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Coupon12 15-Aug-21 11:12 AM
Oh, i didn't nkow you're from that server.
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:12 AM
We talked haha
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With eastern thinking in it
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Nooraana 15-Aug-21 11:12 AM
Ooo like Eastern Orthodoxy or the “Oriental” religions? I’ve met some deists who kinda incorporated Buddhist thought into it
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Ooo like Eastern Orthodoxy or the “Oriental” religions? I’ve met some deists who kinda incorporated Buddhist thought into it
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 11:13 AM
From overseas
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Nooraana 15-Aug-21 11:13 AM
Nice
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I love to be able to learn this side of Islam tbh, America's v judgemental about it in general
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:13 AM
If you wanna learn you can always ask us
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 11:13 AM
Ye buddhism/hinduism thought into it
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All of them said that Islam made 0 sense, even though they had been given a copy of the translation of the Quran and all that jazz, until they chose to change themselves years later
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Coupon12 15-Aug-21 11:13 AM
what happened to me immediately before conversion, is that my existential issues came to a head and I was very desperate for reality to make sense
I was hopeless and could not do anything until reality made sense
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:13 AM
Wow interesting
Sounds scary
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If you wanna learn you can always ask us
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 11:14 AM
I wouldnt know rly where to start
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Nooraana 15-Aug-21 11:14 AM
So ye ig it’s true across the board, God doesn’t change a person until the person wants to change themselves
You can take things at your own pace to avoid being overwhelmed
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I wouldnt know rly where to start
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:14 AM
What do you know about Islam like acc
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Coupon12 15-Aug-21 11:14 AM
@Coupon13 I made you a moderator
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:15 AM
Woah thanks 😂🙂
Didn't expect that ☺
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Ooo like Eastern Orthodoxy or the “Oriental” religions? I’ve met some deists who kinda incorporated Buddhist thought into it
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 11:15 AM
Oh yeah? Them too?
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What do you know about Islam like acc
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 11:16 AM
Not much tbh besides God = Allah and not much beyond the stereotypes set forth by my country unfornately
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Nooraana 15-Aug-21 11:16 AM
Deists aren’t really centralized from what I’ve seen lol, each person just does their own thing. It’s like agnosticism but they think God doesn’t care about us / doesn’t interfere with us
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:16 AM
Oh wow you really know nothing wow😂
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 11:16 AM
YEAH lol
I rly dont
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Nooraana 15-Aug-21 11:17 AM
Kap that’s most people 😭
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Coupon12 15-Aug-21 11:17 AM
There's a lot of evidence that God really does manage this universe. He didn't just set off the big bang, then sat down and watched leaving it alone (edited)
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:17 AM
Yeah unfortunately
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 11:17 AM
It's nice tho to see coupon posting about it in these servers tho
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:17 AM
Yeah he's doing a good job mashallah
Hes a good guy @Coupon12
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 11:18 AM
Always good to learn about different things
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There's a lot of evidence that God really does manage this universe. He didn't just set off the big bang, then sat down and watched leaving it alone (edited)
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Nooraana 15-Aug-21 11:18 AM
Ye it makes sense, if God exists outside the universe then the beginning and end of it already exist, so God HAS to have already decided everything that ever happens
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:18 AM
Forsudre @Stunton Broan [TNOA] what do you affiliate with btw
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Nooraana 15-Aug-21 11:18 AM
Forsudre?
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:18 AM
Forsure my bad lol
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Nooraana 15-Aug-21 11:18 AM
O lol
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Coupon12 15-Aug-21 11:18 AM
I think I"m going to type up a list of all the members here, in case trolls destroy the server somehow
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Nooraana 15-Aug-21 11:18 AM
Kk
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Coupon12 15-Aug-21 11:19 AM
So we could recupreate
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:19 AM
Alright
Could we organise the channels
Very messy
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 11:19 AM
Christianity/buddhism/hinduism type of thinking tbh @Coupon13
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Coupon12 15-Aug-21 11:19 AM
I don't see how else to organize them,
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:19 AM
Ok
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Christianity/buddhism/hinduism type of thinking tbh @Coupon13
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:20 AM
In Islam we have the Concept of "Tawheed" basically, There is no ONE worthy of Worship besides God
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 11:20 AM
Tawheed?
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:20 AM
Yeah
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Coupon12 15-Aug-21 11:21 AM
Worshipping Starbucks would be a really sad thing to do, because Starbucks is not your lord and saviour and doesn't really want the best for you
Starbucks is an evil company
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:21 AM
Lol😂
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Nooraana 15-Aug-21 11:21 AM
It took me a while to realize that pretty much every faith has discovered some universal truths/benefits, they’ve just gone too far in some areas or have misunderstandings
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 11:21 AM
They keep people awake for their jobs lol
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It took me a while to realize that pretty much every faith has discovered some universal truths/benefits, they’ve just gone too far in some areas or have misunderstandings
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 11:21 AM
Agreed tbh
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Nooraana 15-Aug-21 11:21 AM
Monster and Bang > Starbucks
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:21 AM
Just think about it like this @Stunton Broan [TNOA] No one else created you no else provided for you except for God therefore he is the only one worthy of worship
Tawheed
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 11:22 AM
Exactly! Lol
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Coupon12 15-Aug-21 11:22 AM
Everything traces back to GOd. If you start with anything and keep asking "Why?" over and over, it eventually goes back to God
The annoying kid who keeps asking WHy
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Nooraana 15-Aug-21 11:22 AM
Buddhism is too extreme in their rejection of the material world, Hindus are kinda racist, and Christians, you probably don’t need me to elaborate
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 11:22 AM
Tawheed sounds kinda cool too
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It took me a while to realize that pretty much every faith has discovered some universal truths/benefits, they’ve just gone too far in some areas or have misunderstandings
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:22 AM
Most religions was sent my a messenger until the people changed it
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Everything traces back to GOd. If you start with anything and keep asking "Why?" over and over, it eventually goes back to God
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 11:23 AM
Yee
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Most religions was sent my a messenger until the people changed it
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Nooraana 15-Aug-21 11:23 AM
Tru!
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Tawheed sounds kinda cool too
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:23 AM
YES it is, once you understand who God is you'll understand
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 11:23 AM
Mhm
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:23 AM
@Stunton Broan [TNOA]
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Coupon12 15-Aug-21 11:24 AM
Try not to share personal info here
Remember the nature of this server
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:24 AM
Mashallah cool
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Nooraana 15-Aug-21 11:24 AM
O tru my b
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:24 AM
Yeah right.
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 11:24 AM
Hes like jesus kinda, right?@Coupon13
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:24 AM
Come on @Nooraana
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Hes like jesus kinda, right?@Coupon13
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:24 AM
Kind of, if you believe Jesus PBUH was the messenger of God
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Nooraana 15-Aug-21 11:24 AM
As long as there are no kids in here we should be fine lol
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 11:24 AM
PBUH?
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:25 AM
Peace be upon him sorry
Abbrieviation
Its an Arabic saying (edited)
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As long as there are no kids in here we should be fine lol
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Coupon12 15-Aug-21 11:25 AM
The reason we shouldn't share personal information here is because of trolls
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 11:25 AM
Ooo cool
I like that
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:25 AM
Yeah 😅
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 11:26 AM
Peace be upon you 😄
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:26 AM
Alaykum wa salam 🤣🤣
You just discovered how to say hi in islam
Mashallah
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 11:26 AM
Sahlom
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:27 AM
Shalom to you to sir lol
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Nooraana 15-Aug-21 11:27 AM
If you ever get the chance look up Kalam Cosmology, a Christian came up with it using past Islamic scholars
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 11:27 AM
Heh c:
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Nooraana 15-Aug-21 11:27 AM
And now Muslims use it (again?)
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 11:27 AM
Kalam cosmology? (edited)
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Nooraana 15-Aug-21 11:27 AM
Autocorrect changed it to that for me too 💀
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 11:28 AM
RIPPPP
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:28 AM
We belive God sent messengers to All nations of people, Prophet Muhammed is just one of the many prophets and just so happens to be the last one, that's why you'll see for example thr Story of Noah it all sorts of places
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 11:28 AM
So a lil overlap of belief systems?
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Nooraana 15-Aug-21 11:28 AM
It’s a rational argument that proves God exists without using any scripture, Christian and Muslim apologetics use it a lot
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So a lil overlap of belief systems?
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:29 AM
Not really, God spends messengers with a message that is doesn't change however people change it thats why there's alot of differences
Sends*
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 11:29 AM
To me, all the connections prove to me there is a God
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:29 AM
Me too
All the connections?
You mean of the message?
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 11:30 AM
Between belief systems
Yes
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:30 AM
Yes exactly.
Its because messengers were sent to all of them
Just like Musa Muahmmed and Isa pbuh them all
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 11:30 AM
Granted, I'm more of a christian universalist due to that
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:31 AM
Whats that?
I've heard of that term before
Is it more inclusive
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 11:31 AM
Everyone goes back to God eventually
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:31 AM
Wow
Yeah we believe that to
Is that exclusive to university?
Unversilaism
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 11:32 AM
Hmm..
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:32 AM
Universilaism
I give up
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 11:32 AM
Ye
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Coupon12 15-Aug-21 11:32 AM
XDDDDDDDDDDD
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:32 AM
Lol
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 11:32 AM
Tho I do think its alsobmrntioned in the bible too
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:32 AM
Yea I was thinking that
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 11:33 AM
Which is v interesting
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Nooraana 15-Aug-21 11:33 AM
Bruh I just realized it’s 2am… time to sleep
Gn y’all 😌
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 11:33 AM
Nini
Isalm tells of universalism.. now that's v interesting
I do think theres mystic sects too, right?
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:36 AM
Yeah Sufism
But its not the Message God came down with
Its an extreme
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 11:36 AM
Ooh?
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:37 AM
We are not fond of "Innovations" its the same thing that caused other religions to stray
The Prophet Muhammed PBUH came down the Message from God thats all we need
No man made stuff
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Nooraana 15-Aug-21 11:37 AM
I had to use the bathroom so I’m still up…
One of my friends is a Sufi
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:38 AM
Lol nice to have you back bro
Darn
I Aalmost go into sufism
Alhamdullilah Allah protected me from it
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Nooraana 15-Aug-21 11:38 AM
It’s not a bad thing, Sufis have multiple groups
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:38 AM
Not all
But the mystic part he referred to definitely is
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Nooraana 15-Aug-21 11:39 AM
Some are the dudes who worship graves but my friend’s one condemns that stuff
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 11:39 AM
Mysticism is what got me back into God tbh
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:39 AM
That's good
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Nooraana 15-Aug-21 11:39 AM
He’s part of the Naqishbandi order I believe?
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Mysticism is what got me back into God tbh
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:39 AM
Wdym by mysticism
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 11:39 AM
It's what makes you truly understand God
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Nooraana 15-Aug-21 11:40 AM
It’s helped him a lot, gives people a whole group of individuals who want to improve themselves
Their food also hits so hard bro, it’s amazing
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:40 AM
We have alot of things that brnping us close to God,we pray 5 times a day, and do dhikr
Bring
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 11:40 AM
It's that inner work with God
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Nooraana 15-Aug-21 11:40 AM
The non-Sufis call the inner dimensions “Tazkiyah”
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 11:40 AM
V devotional I see
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:40 AM
Ofcourse
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 11:41 AM
Ooh? @Nooraana do go on
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Nooraana 15-Aug-21 11:41 AM
Sufis call it “Tasawwuf”
The goal is the same ofc, to know God intimately not just rationally
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 11:41 AM
Define inner dimension by Islamic thought
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:41 AM
Purification of the soul
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Nooraana 15-Aug-21 11:41 AM
It’s one thing to know about God, and another thing to feel like the creator of the universe is your homie
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It’s one thing to know about God, and another thing to feel like the creator of the universe is your homie
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 11:41 AM
EXACTLY
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Purification of the soul
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 11:42 AM
Oh?
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Nooraana 15-Aug-21 11:42 AM
Outer dimensions are praying 5 times a day, inner dimension is feeling like God is in front of you when you pray
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:42 AM
Thats called kushoo
The extreme im talking about are the ones who dance
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Nooraana 15-Aug-21 11:42 AM
Ye it’s part of the inner dimensions
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 11:42 AM
Union with God
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Nooraana 15-Aug-21 11:43 AM
Yeah the Naqishbandi order doesn’t do the spinning dance lol
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:43 AM
Got it
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 11:43 AM
Dancing is bad?
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Nooraana 15-Aug-21 11:43 AM
I went to one of their sessions and it was so different from what I’m used to
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Union with God
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:43 AM
Submission to him
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Dancing is bad?
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:43 AM
Nah but its not part of the Religion
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 11:43 AM
Oh I see
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:43 AM
Its something extra
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Nooraana 15-Aug-21 11:44 AM
We turned off the lights and chanted/prayed in rhythm, it was so trippy
I started seeing colors and shapes appearing
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:44 AM
Authobillah 😅
Sounds scary
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 11:44 AM
Oooo
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Nooraana 15-Aug-21 11:44 AM
Nah I think it’s just a brain stimulation thing bc my eyes were closed
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Oooo
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:45 AM
If your in to a connection with God look up Salah on YouTube you'll understand what I mean
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Nooraana 15-Aug-21 11:45 AM
Salah is what the 5 prayers are
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:45 AM
Yeah basically
Fast learner lool
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 11:45 AM
Haha that's where buddhism/hinduism come into play
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:45 AM
What donthey do formprayers?
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 11:46 AM
Oh that's what they're called
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Nooraana 15-Aug-21 11:46 AM
Sufis got their spiritual high methods from Buddhists lol
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 11:46 AM
Oh rly???
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Nooraana 15-Aug-21 11:46 AM
I only went to one session bc what I realized is that it was a really temporary feeling
It’s nice to be praying with everyone but I prefer taking classes and stuff which I can take home with me yknow?
It’s impossible to experience perpetual spiritual high
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 11:47 AM
Bruh that's why I wanna meditate more
To open myself up to God more
After church tmrw going straight to a temple
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Nooraana 15-Aug-21 11:48 AM
Some people get the “high” from the 5 prayers, but that’s when I feel good
If my day sucks I don’t even want to pray, I wanna sleep, but it’s like medicine and if I don’t take it I’ll feel even worse
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:49 AM
Fajt is my favourite time
Wallahi facts
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 11:49 AM
I never connected with God through being raised up in a christian church that didn't even realize the inner dimensions
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If my day sucks I don’t even want to pray, I wanna sleep, but it’s like medicine and if I don’t take it I’ll feel even worse
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 11:50 AM
What keeps you going?
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:50 AM
For me, its because Salah is the command of Allah
Its the only thing in life I'm consisten on
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Nooraana 15-Aug-21 11:51 AM
I tell myself to take my “medication” lol, reminding myself why I exist and what’s to come is better than what’s going on rn… helps
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 11:52 AM
To serve God? Is that why you exist?
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Nooraana 15-Aug-21 11:52 AM
Yee, what happened at work or school is just a means for that, so it’s ok if some days are bad
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:52 AM
Quran verse
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 11:52 AM
Oh ok
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:52 AM
the ones who believe and their hearts are peaceful with the remembrance of Allah. Listen, the hearts find peace only in the remembrance of Allah
We find peace in remembering God
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Nooraana 15-Aug-21 11:53 AM
Some days I still feel down ofc, then I just talk to someone about it
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To serve God? Is that why you exist?
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:53 AM
Serving God comes with a so much satisfaction
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We find peace in remembering God
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 11:53 AM
💯
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Nooraana 15-Aug-21 11:53 AM
Or go to counseling if it’s really bad
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:54 AM
So I'm guessing you can relate lol😅
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 11:54 AM
Define remembering God in terms of isalm
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:55 AM
We praise him, look around at his creation think about him
Be grateful to him (edited)
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So I'm guessing you can relate lol😅
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 11:56 AM
Ye 😂
Bruh
That sounds so much like a Brahma thing
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Nooraana 15-Aug-21 11:56 AM
Practically for me, it might be a piece of the Quran being stuck in my head, or thinking about that time I messed up as a kid and asking God to keep me from doing that again, or asking Him to help me get to work on time bc I left the house 10 minutes late :)
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 11:56 AM
How interesting
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:57 AM
Brahma is Hinduism?
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 11:57 AM
Yes
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:57 AM
God I think right?
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 11:57 AM
Yes lol
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:57 AM
Oh ok nice
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 11:57 AM
C:
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Nooraana 15-Aug-21 11:57 AM
A lot of humans naturally came to the conclusion of “wow I feel so much better when I think about something other than day to day issues”
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:57 AM
Ye I true
I remember the other day i was so caught up in this world
That salah felt like a relief
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 11:58 AM
I'm trying to learn the balance between Spirirual Learning and just fucking around
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:58 AM
@Stunton Broan [TNOA] were u always religious or did something make you change
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 11:58 AM
Like video games
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:59 AM
Yea lool its never wrong to have fun
We can't always be serious
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I'm trying to learn the balance between Spirirual Learning and just fucking around
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Nooraana 15-Aug-21 11:59 AM
Man I wish, I have a crippling Genshin impact addiction 💀
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:59 AM
Whats that some sort of painkiller drug? (edited)
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@Stunton Broan [TNOA] were u always religious or did something make you change
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 11:59 AM
Mmmmm Christ Conciousness. Which is essentially from.. what, Buddhism?
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Nooraana 15-Aug-21 12:00 PM
It’s a video game smh
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Mmmmm Christ Conciousness. Which is essentially from.. what, Buddhism?
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 12:00 PM
Christ consciousness?
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 12:00 PM
Alan Watts rly helped me along too....
Enlightment
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Nooraana 15-Aug-21 12:01 PM
But ye disconnecting from the world entirely is impractical and discouraged, the prophet (pbuh) did have kids after all, and his companions would literally prank one another for kicks
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 12:01 PM
Interesting I've never heard of him (edited)
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 12:02 PM
Studying universal conciousness rly helped me get more into this shit, eventually embracing Christianity once again.. surprisingly enough
😂
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Nooraana 15-Aug-21 12:02 PM
Universal consciousness 👀
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 12:02 PM
You could say God led me back to him
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 12:02 PM
Ok I get it I understand actuakly
I would say the same for me kind of
I had a moment of clarity where I knew I was going to die, and I realised I was going to return to God empty handed (edited)
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Universal consciousness 👀
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 12:03 PM
Yes 👀
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 12:03 PM
If that's sort of what you meant
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 12:03 PM
Hm.
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 12:04 PM
I guess not ahhaah
Anyways
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Nooraana 15-Aug-21 12:04 PM
I coincidentally took a class and found out everything that will ever happen has already been decided, and my life thus far has been a huge waste of time :’)
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 12:04 PM
Yes, you could say that I suppose
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 12:04 PM
Alright
Do yo the Quran @Stunton Broan [TNOA]
Know
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 12:05 PM
Nooooope
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 12:05 PM
Whaaaaat
Really
Ok I'm not gonna say anything read it for yourself
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 12:05 PM
Only the annoying amstereotypes
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Nooraana 15-Aug-21 12:05 PM
The stuff coupon has been posting in #quran was a couple excerpts
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 12:05 PM
Oh ok lol
Quran.com
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 12:05 PM
Which common sense is that everything can up for interpretation
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Nooraana 15-Aug-21 12:06 PM
We’ve both been using The Clear Quran, Dr. Mustafa Khattab’s translation
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 12:06 PM
It has already been interpreted the Prophet pbuh and his companions
By
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Nooraana 15-Aug-21 12:06 PM
Some verses are up for interpretation but ye most aren’t
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 12:06 PM
Yeah
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Nooraana 15-Aug-21 12:07 PM
Actually, ig a lot are up for interpretation but in a narrow range?
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Some verses are up for interpretation but ye most aren’t
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Coupon12 15-Aug-21 12:07 PM
A lot of scholars interpret the Quran in ways that don't seem to make sense to me
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Nooraana 15-Aug-21 12:07 PM
Like, “verily after hardship there will be ease” has a lot of interpretations, all of which are nice
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A lot of scholars interpret the Quran in ways that don't seem to make sense to me
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 12:07 PM
So like the bible 😂
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 12:08 PM
Not really
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Coupon12 15-Aug-21 12:08 PM
Who guards their own house from themselves, really?
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Nooraana 15-Aug-21 12:08 PM
Ohhhh wait lemme link you to something about this verse
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Who guards their own house from themselves, really?
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Nooraana 15-Aug-21 12:09 PM
Wait wdym?
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Who guards their own house from themselves, really?
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 12:09 PM
An "inner house" perhaps?
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 12:09 PM
Nah there's no verse that even says that
I think he made a typo
Maturation there's difference of opinion majority saying its haram
Minority saying it is disliked
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Coupon12 15-Aug-21 12:10 PM
I have no idea how you can come to that conclusion from those verse s
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 12:11 PM
It's not just those verses
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Nooraana 15-Aug-21 12:11 PM
Which part are you confused about?
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 12:11 PM
I think Sheikh Uthman made a video about it
Correcting someone with the minority opinion
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 12:13 PM
I should go to bed e.e
Nahh lol
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 12:18 PM
Lool I feel yeah
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Which part are you confused about?
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Nooraana 15-Aug-21 12:18 PM
In case someone is reading this later, I put the article in #quran (edited)
Idek how I haven’t crashed yet
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 12:20 PM
Cause we liit
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 12:20 PM
Weee
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 12:20 PM
@Stunton Broan [TNOA] you know Chris chan?
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 12:21 PM
I recently learned bout the dude
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Nooraana 15-Aug-21 12:21 PM
I will attempt to sleep again, wish me luck o7
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 12:21 PM
All I can say is..
Wow
Lol
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Nooraana 15-Aug-21 12:21 PM
Mood
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 12:21 PM
😂😂😂
Me2
Its do weird when people explain to me
I get flashbacks when my friend was telling me about naruto
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 12:22 PM
Visualization?
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 12:22 PM
Wdym lol
Nah vibe
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 12:22 PM
Idk
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 12:23 PM
Haha ok
Where u from @Stunton Broan [TNOA]
Where your bed at
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 12:24 PM
No
Remember?
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 12:25 PM
Your from No?
Jk
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 12:25 PM
Yes 😂
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 12:25 PM
You said you were from no though😂
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 12:25 PM
Point taken😂
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 12:26 PM
Howd you'd get into the sever
Server
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 12:26 PM
From coupon tbh
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 12:26 PM
Hes your friend?
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 12:26 PM
We have a mutual frienf
Sort of, I've just only recently met him
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 12:26 PM
Dats cool
Coupon a cool guy
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 12:26 PM
He seems like a chill dude 😄
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 12:27 PM
Yeah fr he has a crazy story tooo
Interesting guy i must say also
And hea a CHEMIST👌
Ladies...
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 12:28 PM
You could call it a miracle
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 12:28 PM
Fr😂😂
Man did a whole 480
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 12:29 PM
480 sounds about right 😂 😂 😂
When a 180 isnt enough
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 12:29 PM
Facts
Especially since Islam gets a alot of bad coverage
On news
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 12:30 PM
Yeah.... :c
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 12:30 PM
I would be considered an Islamist
I hate that word
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 12:30 PM
:/
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 12:33 PM
It was nice speaking with you guys I gotta go pray now
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 12:33 PM
Yeah good talk
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 15-Aug-21 12:34 PM
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Reborn 15-Aug-21 11:44 PM
So, what is your opinion on sufism and the Shams Al-Maarif?
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So, what is your opinion on sufism and the Shams Al-Maarif?
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Coupon12 15-Aug-21 11:44 PM
I don't know.
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Nooraana 15-Aug-21 11:44 PM
I'm not familiar with them, is that another Sufi order?
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Reborn 15-Aug-21 11:45 PM
It's actually some grimoire written a fucklong time ago that postulates a link between numbers, magic squares and matrices with jinn
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So, what is your opinion on sufism and the Shams Al-Maarif?
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:45 PM
Did the Prophet PBUH do it?
If not then its innovation
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Reborn 15-Aug-21 11:45 PM
Some of my more superstitious friends talked about it
Say it's the necronomicon of the islam world
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:45 PM
Refrain from joking about Islam@Anything
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Reborn 15-Aug-21 11:46 PM
except real. Anyways, I'm interested in the mystical side of Islam, as well as the numerical side of that book, so thats why im asking
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Coupon12 15-Aug-21 11:46 PM
SOrry about the disruption, I'm trying to fix mod permissions
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Nooraana 15-Aug-21 11:47 PM
Ohhh yeah I have heard of that book, it's just an innovation from when Islam spread and came into contact with all that "magic" stuff
The modern day mystics disregard it afaik
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Reborn 15-Aug-21 11:47 PM
Sidenote: Isn't it funny that americans, after 9/11, wanted to destroy the caaba as retribution ie. to even the score.
It's funny cause the kaaba is a holy site of worship
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:47 PM
Wait what
Really
I didn't know that (edited)
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Reborn 15-Aug-21 11:47 PM
And the implication is that the WTC is also equivalent to one
Americans praying to their big ass towers of capitalism
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:48 PM
Lool😂
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Reborn 15-Aug-21 11:48 PM
with the bankers as their preachers, and executives as bishops
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Nooraana 15-Aug-21 11:48 PM
Man my family wanted to visit the WTC on 9/11 but dad got a headache
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Reborn 15-Aug-21 11:48 PM
It's a bitter kind of funny, where it shows how much they have grown to love their chains
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:48 PM
Yep different names same thing
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Man my family wanted to visit the WTC on 9/11 but dad got a headache
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:49 PM
Subhanallah
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Reborn 15-Aug-21 11:49 PM
inb4 commie
no, not a commie
so dont come after me with that
yeah
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Nooraana 15-Aug-21 11:49 PM
Ye Alhamdulillah, that's just God's decree
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:49 PM
Lool
Qadr
Of Allah
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no, not a commie
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:49 PM
Wdym
Why would I assume your a commie lol
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Reborn 15-Aug-21 11:50 PM
because it's a knee jerk reaction every time i insult capitalism
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:50 PM
I dont think capitalism wrong Islamic capitalism is the right way to do things
Or Moral capitalism (edited)
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Reborn 15-Aug-21 11:51 PM
i dont like any current economic systems, due to their dogmatism and adherence to a single simple principle
when in reality, the realization of that turns into a bureaucratic mess of corruption
the poorer the state, the bigger the corruption
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:52 PM
I feel like capitalism is natural though in some sense
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Reborn 15-Aug-21 11:52 PM
no, competition is natural
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:52 PM
It just happens
I personally don't like the hoarding of insane amount sof money
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Reborn 15-Aug-21 11:53 PM
people conflate competition and capitalism
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I personally don't like the hoarding of insane amount sof money
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Reborn 15-Aug-21 11:53 PM
well, it degrades to that
because thats the end goal of any competition
especially a capitalistic one, where the rules arent regulated by states
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:53 PM
True but then it comes down to the moral responsibility of that person
Which is the problem
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Reborn 15-Aug-21 11:53 PM
In theory, a good state should oversee the economy
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Nooraana 15-Aug-21 11:54 PM
Capitalism isn't anti-Islamic, greed is
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True but then it comes down to the moral responsibility of that person
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Reborn 15-Aug-21 11:54 PM
well, shit, once you rely on everyone being moral, thats where problems arise
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Nooraana 15-Aug-21 11:54 PM
Islamic business ethics is an entire field of study
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Reborn 15-Aug-21 11:54 PM
the problem with such a system, is that it's a tower of cars
beautiful, but fragile
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well, shit, once you rely on everyone being moral, thats where problems arise
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:54 PM
That's why you enforce it haha
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That's why you enforce it haha
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Reborn 15-Aug-21 11:54 PM
well, then you also rely on people who enforce it to be moral
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Nooraana 15-Aug-21 11:54 PM
Many of the companions were business people, trading goods across Arabia
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Reborn 15-Aug-21 11:55 PM
which would happen, under certain conditions
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the poorer the state, the bigger the corruption
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Reborn 15-Aug-21 11:55 PM
which brings me back to this
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well, then you also rely on people who enforce it to be moral
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:55 PM
True but you base it on the Quran and everyone can see it for themselves
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Reborn 15-Aug-21 11:55 PM
if someone's compelte needs are met, in the Maslow style, he is less likely to sell out his principles, morals and ethics
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:55 PM
Islamic society theoretically
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Reborn 15-Aug-21 11:55 PM
if someone is barely scraping by, he is more likely to risk shit
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:55 PM
Yea true
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Reborn 15-Aug-21 11:56 PM
which is why, a degree of socialism ie. everyones needs being met, should be a prerequisite
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:56 PM
Yes a degree of socialism
I agree
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Reborn 15-Aug-21 11:56 PM
exactly
the snickers commercial comes to mind - you're not you when you're hungry
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:57 PM
😂😂
2.5% tax
If everyone payed
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Reborn 15-Aug-21 11:57 PM
one ling i love about islam is zakat
thing*
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:57 PM
Yeah it's really good helps the poor alot
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Reborn 15-Aug-21 11:57 PM
but that shouldn't just be a religious/community thing
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:57 PM
Its a Law thing
Sharia
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Reborn 15-Aug-21 11:58 PM
all states, secular, islamic, otherwise
should implement something like that in earnest
see, this comes back to the individualism vs collectivism thing
it's a false dichotomy
it isnt a "vs"
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:58 PM
Yes they should I 100% agree, but there's to much fighting for that to eve rhappe
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Reborn 15-Aug-21 11:58 PM
it shouldnt be
great individuals contribute to the society and a good society breeds great individuals
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:59 PM
Yooo
Thats facts...
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Reborn 15-Aug-21 11:59 PM
which is why both commies and cappies keep arguing believing they're right
they got one half down
but they wont accept the other
for soem reason
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Coupon13 15-Aug-21 11:59 PM
Yeah unfortunately
They both sound great
But reality is different
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They both sound great
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Reborn 15-Aug-21 11:59 PM
yes, kinda
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Coupon13 16-Aug-21 12:00 AM
Communism sounds amazing ngl
Rightit ain't just me
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Reborn 16-Aug-21 12:00 AM
some guy i was debating with told me a little gem: "Just because something is internally consistent, doesn't mean it's good"
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Coupon13 16-Aug-21 12:00 AM
And capitalism sound intuitive
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some guy i was debating with told me a little gem: "Just because something is internally consistent, doesn't mean it's good"
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Coupon13 16-Aug-21 12:00 AM
Forsure
Thoertically it could work out but not practically (edited)
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Thoertically it could work out but not practically (edited)
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Reborn 16-Aug-21 12:01 AM
theoretically, it makes sense - but such a system, while infallible within it's own framework, would fail in practice or, worse yet, serve to the detriment of society
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Coupon13 16-Aug-21 12:01 AM
Its odd that a non Muslim would have this view
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Thoertically it could work out but not practically (edited)
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Reborn 16-Aug-21 12:01 AM
theoretically, it makes sense - but such a system, while infallible within it's own framework, would fail in practice or, worse yet, serve to the detriment of society
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Coupon13 16-Aug-21 12:01 AM
I dont see alot of people holding that same type of mindset
Its either one side or the other
To a degree
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Its odd that a non Muslim would have this view
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Reborn 16-Aug-21 12:02 AM
I jsut see things as they are, after a lot of 3am brainstorming ofcourse
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Coupon13 16-Aug-21 12:02 AM
😂😂
Forsure
You american?
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Reborn 16-Aug-21 12:02 AM
no, Serbian
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Coupon13 16-Aug-21 12:02 AM
Oh fr
My ball coach was setbian
Serbian
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Reborn 16-Aug-21 12:03 AM
basketball, i presume
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Coupon13 16-Aug-21 12:03 AM
Ofc😂
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Reborn 16-Aug-21 12:03 AM
indeed
tall people + a weird affinity for the sport
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Coupon13 16-Aug-21 12:03 AM
Good ball players haha
😂
Yes
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Reborn 16-Aug-21 12:03 AM
indeed
although i dont like it, personally
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Coupon13 16-Aug-21 12:03 AM
Serbia is pretty Conservative no?
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Reborn 16-Aug-21 12:03 AM
none of those ball sports tbh :P
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Serbia is pretty Conservative no?
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Reborn 16-Aug-21 12:04 AM
kinda, yes
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Coupon13 16-Aug-21 12:04 AM
So capitalism?
Or socialism?
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Reborn 16-Aug-21 12:04 AM
we are a riven nation, deep inside. our identity is pretty complicated, made even more with our recent and not so recent history
well, depends who you ask
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Coupon13 16-Aug-21 12:04 AM
Really?!
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well, depends who you ask
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Reborn 16-Aug-21 12:05 AM
this sentence applies to every issue, tbh
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Coupon13 16-Aug-21 12:05 AM
I thought Serbian was a distinct ethnicity nationality e.t.x
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Reborn 16-Aug-21 12:05 AM
like i said - a riven nation
even when there arent sides to take, we make them up
people die in hooligan fights over sports clubs
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Coupon13 16-Aug-21 12:05 AM
Man I hate that
Sides just for the sake of it
Its arrogant
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Reborn 16-Aug-21 12:06 AM
The oldies like socialism and conservatism, the millenials grew up in war and prefer conservatism and even nationalism
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Coupon13 16-Aug-21 12:06 AM
Woah thats unexpected
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Reborn 16-Aug-21 12:06 AM
the youth are completely split, coming from multiple identities, and even forging their own Pro-EU, liberal one
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Coupon13 16-Aug-21 12:06 AM
Why won't Serbia join the EU?
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Why won't Serbia join the EU?
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Reborn 16-Aug-21 12:06 AM
Kosovo
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Coupon13 16-Aug-21 12:06 AM
? Educate me bro😂
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Reborn 16-Aug-21 12:07 AM
Alright
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Coupon13 16-Aug-21 12:07 AM
I know of it
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Reborn 16-Aug-21 12:07 AM
It's a long one, and i might be biased
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Coupon13 16-Aug-21 12:07 AM
Go ahead ill figure out later lol
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Reborn 16-Aug-21 12:07 AM
but anyways, this is my view of the story
Kosovo was serbian land during the heyday of our Imperial age, from 1100s to the late 1300s
WE built a lot of monuments there
a lot of old churches
built by our kinds of yore
kings*
anyways, that went south following the ottoman invasion
they smashed our ragtag empire on the battle of kosovo
it happened on the 28th of june 1389 - a holiday even today
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Coupon13 16-Aug-21 12:09 AM
@Anything May Allah help you bro, gonna have to ban you.
Ok..I'm listening
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Reborn 16-Aug-21 12:09 AM
Anyways, following that, the albanians, who converted to islam, were rewarded with the kosovo land and resettled there alongside our own people
a lot of uninteresting shit hapopened in the following 500 years, and lets skip to 1942 when the population there was like half half
half of the albos half of us
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Coupon13 16-Aug-21 12:10 AM
Ok
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Reborn 16-Aug-21 12:10 AM
so, during hte commie era of yugoslavia
tito had ambitions to unite the entire commie balkans under his banner
including albania
to do that, he gave more rights to albanians on kosovo
to sweeten the deal
unbeknownst to him, his subordiante named Aleksandar Rankovic, had the exact opposite idea
and he didnt want albos there
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Coupon13 16-Aug-21 12:11 AM
Ooo
Drama
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Reborn 16-Aug-21 12:11 AM
He was a montenegrin serb, so he started some shit there
i dont remember the details
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Coupon13 16-Aug-21 12:11 AM
Lol
😂
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Reborn 16-Aug-21 12:12 AM
anyways, tito find out about rankovic being an ass
and he got fired
probably gulaged as well idk
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Coupon13 16-Aug-21 12:12 AM
😂
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Reborn 16-Aug-21 12:12 AM
but, the seeds have been sown
albos and serbs are now officialy enemies sharing a piece of land both claimed as theirs
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Coupon13 16-Aug-21 12:12 AM
Uh huh
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Reborn 16-Aug-21 12:13 AM
Now, a segue into a personal story
My mother and father went to study economics to pristina, the capital of kosovo now
and they say its an absolute dump
they fucking got out faster than they came
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Coupon13 16-Aug-21 12:13 AM
Darn
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Reborn 16-Aug-21 12:13 AM
mom wnt to buy bananas and the guy wouldnt sell her until she said it in albo
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Coupon13 16-Aug-21 12:13 AM
Wth
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Reborn 16-Aug-21 12:13 AM
"do you have bananas" "no" bananas are right in fron of her
yeah
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Coupon13 16-Aug-21 12:14 AM
Wow that much animosity
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Reborn 16-Aug-21 12:14 AM
she also saw some grou pchase some kid
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Coupon13 16-Aug-21 12:14 AM
That's crazy
I feel like the media had some role
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Reborn 16-Aug-21 12:14 AM
and the kid ran until he didnt anymore - then the kid turned around with a belt in his hand and launched a leathery counterattack
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Coupon13 16-Aug-21 12:14 AM
No way ordinary people care that much for stuff like hat
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Reborn 16-Aug-21 12:15 AM
the best part is that kosovo was being HEAVILY invested in - the slovenes quit yugoslavia precisely because they didnt want to pour more money into a place that should be las vegas by now
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Coupon13 16-Aug-21 12:15 AM
Dang
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Reborn 16-Aug-21 12:15 AM
slovenes are smart, they arent like the rest (even though eveyonre forgets they opened fire on surrendered solderis but alright, you can be a yugo without commiting at least one warcrime smh)
anyways, back to the story
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Coupon13 16-Aug-21 12:15 AM
Lolol
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Reborn 16-Aug-21 12:16 AM
in 1989 tensions reached a boiling point - a protest was held and our then president Milosevic went there to see whats going on
he was initially for a peaceful resoultion as all politicans are- but then albost failed the vibe check in his eyes and he uttered the famous phrase: Nobody can beat you!
*correction, its acutally 1987, just checked
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Coupon13 16-Aug-21 12:17 AM
Lol gotcha
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Reborn 16-Aug-21 12:17 AM
So, shit started
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Coupon13 16-Aug-21 12:17 AM
Okkk
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Reborn 16-Aug-21 12:17 AM
Our police went and beat up albanians
classic police
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Coupon13 16-Aug-21 12:18 AM
Lol😂
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Reborn 16-Aug-21 12:18 AM
The albanians were before that conduction a plan for an economic victory
by overpaying for land
a house that would cost 50k would be paid for in 200k
and ofc youd fucking take the deal to fuck out of there
After a while, they stopped asking nicely
in 1999 the war happened, dont know the details and battles
but the end was resolution 1244 where kosovo would remain an autonomous unit in serbia with huge minority rights
anyways, in 2008 the albos said "fuck that" and declared independence
and everyoen was like "yeah sure
a beach of international law
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Coupon13 16-Aug-21 12:20 AM
Lol 😅
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Reborn 16-Aug-21 12:20 AM
oh, als, ofrgot about the most important part
we got bombed
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Coupon13 16-Aug-21 12:20 AM
Why don't they just join albania
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Why don't they just join albania
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Reborn 16-Aug-21 12:20 AM
they will ,eventually
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Coupon13 16-Aug-21 12:20 AM
Uhh I see
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Reborn 16-Aug-21 12:20 AM
in 199 we got our first foreign investments in the form of depleted uranium and thermobaric bombs
1999*; around 2000-3000 people died i think, some albanians ofc because the drone operator doesnt know the difference between a serb refugee convoy, an albanian refugee convoy and a serb army division
and he doesnt give a fuck either
they also said "a hospital got in the way of the target"
classic nato
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Coupon13 16-Aug-21 12:22 AM
Lol😅
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Reborn 16-Aug-21 12:22 AM
ofc civillians got the shortest straw from both nato and the conflicted serb army and albanian paramilitaires
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Coupon13 16-Aug-21 12:22 AM
As always
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Reborn 16-Aug-21 12:22 AM
the same paramilitary group that the US declared a terrorist organization, until they realized that by taking their side they can fuck up the "commie serbs" and establish a foothold there
and buy off the old but still good factories
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Coupon13 16-Aug-21 12:23 AM
Oof
Ofc 🇺🇸
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Reborn 16-Aug-21 12:23 AM
In 2004, also, some albo kids were found drowned in the river
guess who got blamed?
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Coupon13 16-Aug-21 12:23 AM
Who?
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Reborn 16-Aug-21 12:23 AM
that's right, every serb and every serbian church
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Coupon13 16-Aug-21 12:23 AM
Darn
I guess I can relate
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Reborn 16-Aug-21 12:24 AM
4000 serbs were informed of their one way ticket out of kosovo
35 churches burnt
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Coupon13 16-Aug-21 12:24 AM
Def messed up
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Reborn 16-Aug-21 12:24 AM
remember hwo i said a lot of our old monuments and churches are there since the 1200s and shit?
yeah
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Coupon13 16-Aug-21 12:24 AM
Ye
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Reborn 16-Aug-21 12:25 AM
To salt the wound further, the hague tribulans were held
and a good amount of serbs were convicted
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Coupon13 16-Aug-21 12:25 AM
Yikes
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Reborn 16-Aug-21 12:25 AM
while a bunch of known fucking criminals from albania got away scot free
which is a huuuuuge deal here
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Coupon13 16-Aug-21 12:25 AM
Even more yikes
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Reborn 16-Aug-21 12:25 AM
i have no problem with convicting criminals
i dislike war and i dont want it even upon my worst enemy
but justice is blind for a reason
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Coupon13 16-Aug-21 12:26 AM
Me neither
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Reborn 16-Aug-21 12:26 AM
Anyways, the kosovo precedent is a huge question becaue its a good context for many land claims right now
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Coupon13 16-Aug-21 12:26 AM
I haven't experienced war but civilians are the ones who are hurt
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Reborn 16-Aug-21 12:26 AM
crimea, nagorno-karabakh, catalonia, malvinas
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I haven't experienced war but civilians are the ones who are hurt
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Reborn 16-Aug-21 12:26 AM
ofc
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Coupon13 16-Aug-21 12:27 AM
And ima civilian🤣
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Reborn 16-Aug-21 12:27 AM
im not saying we were perfect angels of gods justice
by we i mean serbs
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Coupon13 16-Aug-21 12:27 AM
Yeah
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Reborn 16-Aug-21 12:27 AM
i know what happens when someone gets a power trip and a tool to project his power in a single squeeze of atrigger
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Coupon13 16-Aug-21 12:27 AM
But obviously there has to be some fairness
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Reborn 16-Aug-21 12:27 AM
indeed
same shit ahppened in the yugo civil wars
i dont support "our" criminals ther
i say "our" because they were bosnian and croatian serbs
not serb serbs
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Coupon13 16-Aug-21 12:28 AM
Hmm ok
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Reborn 16-Aug-21 12:28 AM
it was their own civil war
but
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Coupon13 16-Aug-21 12:28 AM
My bad @Reborn but I'm falling asleep bro
I'm hit you up later
Nice convo bro
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Nice convo bro
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Reborn 16-Aug-21 12:28 AM
you as well
hmu tomorrow
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Coupon13 16-Aug-21 12:28 AM
Gn
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Reborn 16-Aug-21 12:29 AM
i got work so i gotta sleep soon
good night, buddy
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Coupon12 17-Aug-21 09:11 PM
.
It seems like Shia muslims are the ones who are right, but i have one major issue with it
The supreme leader of Iran has issued a fatwa allowing sex change surgery and being transgender
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Nooraana 17-Aug-21 09:19 PM
Shi’ites are definitely still Muslim, they just lack a couple things Sunnis have
The one that led to their theological differences is of course, Hadith
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Coupon12 17-Aug-21 09:19 PM
Does shia islam really allow being transgender? We need to look at the specific hadith that forbids transgenderism:
That's in Jami` at-Tirmidhi
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Nooraana 17-Aug-21 09:20 PM
Sunnis have the rigorously authenticated Hadiths but Shi’ites believe the Ayatollah and the other religious leaders before him are infallible, their word is law and truth
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Coupon12 17-Aug-21 09:20 PM
It's really a dealbreaker for me if the Ayatollah of iran says it's okay to be transgender
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Nooraana 17-Aug-21 09:20 PM
Ofc Sunnis know the Prophet PBUH was the final perfect human being and Messenger, and we must act upon his guidance above all else
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Coupon12 17-Aug-21 09:20 PM
Muhammad most definitely did not say "yeah it's okay for a man to imitate a woman"
then they probably do some mental gymnastics like "oh but a trans woman is a woman on the inside"
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Nooraana 17-Aug-21 09:21 PM
Centralized religions like Shi’ism or Catholicism often fall into that pitfall of corrupt (imperfect) leaders being treated like they’re perfect
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Coupon12 17-Aug-21 09:22 PM
even if it was true that a trans woman is a woman in the inside, i think Muslims also believe in not altering your body beyond circumcision (edited)
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Nooraana 17-Aug-21 09:22 PM
For Sunnis, no matter how corrupt the Saudis or other leaders get, our faith is preserved and safe
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Coupon12 17-Aug-21 09:22 PM
and surgeries necessary for survival, like appendectomy
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Nooraana 17-Aug-21 09:23 PM
Shi’ites also believe you can get a temporary one night marriage if you pay someone, so prostitution becomes legal as well
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Coupon12 17-Aug-21 09:23 PM
then they do their mental gymnastics of "but for us, transition IS necessary, because we'll commit suicide without hormones and sex change surgery!"
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Nooraana 17-Aug-21 09:23 PM
Sunnis can only marry with the intention of a lifelong commitment
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Shi’ites also believe you can get a temporary one night marriage if you pay someone, so prostitution becomes legal as well
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Coupon12 17-Aug-21 09:23 PM
XD...
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Nooraana 17-Aug-21 09:23 PM
It’s pretty sad
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Coupon12 17-Aug-21 09:26 PM
well, here's an intersting point:
Mukhannathun is a feminine male who acts feminine unintentionally, can't help it
But a lot of trans women acted like normal boys their whole lives, then at some age suddenly decide they were girls the whole time
some BS like "oh but we just repressed it because of society expectations!" even though there are plenty of feminine boys who act feminine from a young age and can't help it
Even a a muslim, it's just not possible for a mukhannathun to be very manly even if they try (edited)
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Nooraana 17-Aug-21 09:31 PM
Ye one of my friends kinda falls in that category, he’s got a beard and everything but talks like a white girl lol
No one in my friend group judges him for it obviously, but non-Muslims call it feminine
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Coupon12 17-Aug-21 09:35 PM
XD
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then they do their mental gymnastics of "but for us, transition IS necessary, because we'll commit suicide without hormones and sex change surgery!"
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Reborn 17-Aug-21 09:36 PM
i just wonder where is the body positivity movement in that case
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Coupon12 17-Aug-21 09:37 PM
Not really an excuse cuz muslims are not supposed to commit suicide ever
You go to hell forever for committing suicide
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Reborn 17-Aug-21 09:37 PM
the liberals have their body positivity movement and their trans movement, yet they seem unable to put two and two together
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Coupon12 17-Aug-21 09:37 PM
Even as before i was muslim i occasionally had thoughts of "maybe it would be easier to exit reality" but it didn't seem like a real possibility, like God protected me from seriously thinking about it
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Reborn 17-Aug-21 09:38 PM
alas, the BP movement - something that can be a good and noble cause - is reduced to fatties proclaiming theyre at the peak of health
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Does shia islam really allow being transgender? We need to look at the specific hadith that forbids transgenderism:
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voracious wrecke 17-Aug-21 09:38 PM
This narration is about Two Souls i.e 2S and not transgender i.e T. :)))
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Even as before i was muslim i occasionally had thoughts of "maybe it would be easier to exit reality" but it didn't seem like a real possibility, like God protected me from seriously thinking about it
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It's really a dealbreaker for me if the Ayatollah of iran says it's okay to be transgender
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voracious wrecke 17-Aug-21 09:41 PM
Its really okay and natural to be transgender. But it is not ok for women to imitate men and men to imitate women i.e the concept of two souls (2S)
And if a treatment is there, its better to have it too. ❤️
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Not really an excuse cuz muslims are not supposed to commit suicide ever
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voracious wrecke 17-Aug-21 09:43 PM
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You go to hell forever for committing suicide
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Nooraana 17-Aug-21 09:46 PM
It’s a major sin, so if a Muslim does it unapologetically the sin is really great, but kufr is the only thing anyone will burn forever for
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Ye one of my friends kinda falls in that category, he’s got a beard and everything but talks like a white girl lol
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voracious wrecke 17-Aug-21 09:46 PM
Typing like a white girl is normal as it includes human error too. But talking clearly like women in real life is not good. Also its the person itself who best decides if he is talking like a girl intentionally, trolling (joking) or the people are just assuming based on their own tone etc.
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Nooraana 17-Aug-21 09:46 PM
Kufr = knowing Islam is the truth but rejecting it anyways
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It’s a major sin, so if a Muslim does it unapologetically the sin is really great, but kufr is the only thing anyone will burn forever for
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voracious wrecke 17-Aug-21 09:46 PM
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Typing like a white girl is normal as it includes human error too. But talking clearly like women in real life is not good. Also its the person itself who best decides if he is talking like a girl intentionally, trolling (joking) or the people are just assuming based on their own tone etc.
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Nooraana 17-Aug-21 09:46 PM
Ye it’s not intentional, he’s always talked that way. I assure you he’s completely straight lol
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Kufr = knowing Islam is the truth but rejecting it anyways
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voracious wrecke 17-Aug-21 09:47 PM
Yes, disbelieving after seeing the clear cut signs of Islam.
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Ye it’s not intentional, he’s always talked that way. I assure you he’s completely straight lol
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voracious wrecke 17-Aug-21 09:47 PM
Perfect. Then its just an error on part of observers only. xD. All good. 🙂 (edited)
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Nooraana 17-Aug-21 09:48 PM
And it makes sense lol, why would such a person go to paradise if they know God exists and Islam is the truth but don’t care
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voracious wrecke 17-Aug-21 09:49 PM
Exactly. Disbelievers were even shown clear miracles and yet they disbelieved.
Even today Islam present many clear signs for everyone with an unbiased mind and clear heart. Science approves Islam too.
Brb.
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Coupon12 17-Aug-21 09:50 PM
I can't believe that someone could see the moon split and still say it was just magic.
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I can't believe that someone could see the moon split and still say it was just magic.
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voracious wrecke 17-Aug-21 09:50 PM
Sadly, they did. 😦
A few accepted and a few rejected.
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Coupon12 17-Aug-21 09:51 PM
I think one reason God rarely gives us miracles like that, is because the laws of physics are a beautiful thing and not to be disrupted all the time, so the universe can work as it should (edited)
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voracious wrecke 17-Aug-21 09:51 PM
A Jewish scholar (Rabbi) accepted Islam at this point.
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Nooraana 17-Aug-21 09:51 PM
That’s proof that people don’t become Muslim bc they see miracles, but bc their hearts recognize the divine
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Coupon12 17-Aug-21 09:52 PM
Also severe chaos would ensue if we could see the moon split today
Like, riots overnight all over the world (edited)
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sooncan corn 17-Aug-21 09:52 PM
Chaos
Moon
Riots
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That’s proof that people don’t become Muslim bc they see miracles, but bc their hearts recognize the divine
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voracious wrecke 17-Aug-21 09:53 PM
Islam still has miracles to offer. Thats what I am here for to share with you all.
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Coupon12 17-Aug-21 09:53 PM
I think when God is pleased with you, he has angels whisper good thoughts about you to others
So if you do good, then you'll notice strangers suddenly being nicer to you, with no logical explanation
Even when they do'nt know what you did
I have noticed this
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Islam still has miracles to offer. Thats what I am here for to share with you all.
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Nooraana 17-Aug-21 09:58 PM
O ye definitely! And for the believers it’s why it’s so easy to stay Muslim no matter how weak our faith gets
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I think when God is pleased with you, he has angels whisper good thoughts about you to others
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Nooraana 17-Aug-21 09:59 PM
The inner hearts of people definitely see a kind of beauty the eyes don’t
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Coupon12 17-Aug-21 10:00 PM
One of the biggest miracles that happened to me, is sudenly gaining the willpower to go to the gym 4 or 5 days every single week without a day of "ehhh i don't really feel like it"
I did not think this would ever be possible before islam
My motivation to go to the gym is #1 being strong so i can defend myself against angry christians or "islamophobes" or "rednecks" and so i can safely and proudly be muslim with the physical strength to back it
#2 is for physical attractiveness so i can get married one day
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sooncan corn 17-Aug-21 10:01 PM
True Christians would not attack
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Coupon12 17-Aug-21 10:01 PM
The USA is full of angry ignorant warped christians (edited)
especially this south.
No part of this world is better at making christianity look disgusting than the South
devout enough christian to beat up muslims and kick gays out their houses, not devout enough to avoid pork and premarital sex
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sooncan corn 17-Aug-21 10:04 PM
That’s not Christian
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Coupon12 17-Aug-21 10:04 PM
thinking christianity is a "white people's religion" when it's actually a middle eastern religion just like Islam
I've been to an eastern orthodox church and I find that they are very good christians, not warped like american protestants and catholics
But eastern orthodox is a rare minority
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sooncan corn 17-Aug-21 10:06 PM
When God said Let there be Light , he meant that at that moment all things in the universe knew that Christ was the Lord of Lords and King of Kings and no one may come upon the Father but through him
The message of Christ and the practice of modern Christianity for many people is not the same thing
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Coupon12 17-Aug-21 10:06 PM
true
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sooncan corn 17-Aug-21 10:07 PM
Especially in the US south
It’s no different than Muslim extremists
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Coupon12 17-Aug-21 10:08 PM
I delivered pizza before, and shortly after, converting to islam (tried to quit ASAP but had to deal with severe family opposition. i quit and God replaced it with a better job) Rolled my eyes every time I delivered friggin pepperoni pizza to a house with a cross on it
Made me want to quit
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sooncan corn 17-Aug-21 10:08 PM
You shouldn’t judge
Didn’t God say judge not lest ye be judged ?
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Coupon12 17-Aug-21 10:09 PM
Well, true
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sooncan corn 17-Aug-21 10:09 PM
I just think there’s worse stuff to worry about
People are messed up
Like Chris
If he had a good source of true positive influence like Christ or Islam he would change but it’s extremely unlikely I think
But through God all things are possible
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Coupon12 17-Aug-21 10:12 PM
I don't know anything about eastern orthodoxy, but that would work too if he refused to consider islam
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O ye definitely! And for the believers it’s why it’s so easy to stay Muslim no matter how weak our faith gets
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voracious wrecke 17-Aug-21 10:57 PM
Less knowledge sometimes brings weakness. I have studied pretty deeply and its strong. Alhamdulillah. And I'll love to share all those deeper details with everyone else too. ❤️
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Coupon12 17-Aug-21 10:58 PM
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voracious wrecke 17-Aug-21 11:02 PM
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Feel free to ask me about any topic anything anytime. DMs are always open too. ❤️
Also...No formalities at all. ❤️
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Coupon12 18-Aug-21 05:24 AM
Islam
Islam (Arabic: اَلْإِسْلَامُ‎, romanized: al-Islam. "submission [to God]") is an Abrahamic monotheistic religion teaching that Muhammad is a messenger of God.
It is the world's second-largest religion with 1.9 billion followers, or 24.9% of the world's population, known as Muslims.
Muslims make up a majority of the population in 47 countries.
Islam teaches that God is merciful, all-powerful, and unique, and has guided humanity through prophets, revealed scriptures, and natural signs.
The primary scriptures of Islam are the Quran, believed to be the verbatim word of God, as well as the teachings and normative examples (called the sunnah, composed of accounts called hadith) of Muhammad (c. 570 - 632 CE). (edited)
Muslims believe that Islam is the complete and universal version of a primordial faith that was revealed many times before through prophets such as Adam, Abraham, Moses, and Jesus.
Muslims consider the Quran, in Arabic, to be the unaltered and final revelation of God.
Like other Abrahamic religions, Islam also teaches a final judgment with the righteous rewarded in paradise and the unrighteous punished in hell. (edited)
Religious concepts and practices include the Five Pillars of Islam, which are obligatory acts of worship, as well as following Islamic law (sharia), which touches on virtually every aspect of life and society, from banking and welfare to women and the environment.
The cities of Mecca, Medina, and Jerusalem are home to the three holiest sites in Islam.
From a historical point of view, Islam originated in early 7th century CE in the Arabian Peninsula, in Mecca, and by the 8th century, the Umayyad Caliphate extended from Iberia in the west to the Indus River to the east.
The Islamic Golden Age refers to the period traditionally dated from the 8th century to the 13th century, during the Abbasid Caliphate, when much of the historically Muslim world was experiencing a scientific, economic, and cultural flourishing.
The expansion of the Muslim world involved various caliphates and states such as the Ottoman Empire, trade, and conversion to Islam by missionary activities (dawah).
Most Muslims are of one of two denominations: Sunni (85-90%) or Shia (10-15%).
Sunni and Shia differences arose from disagreement over the succession to Muhammad and acquired broader political significance, as well as theological and juridical dimensions.
About 12% of Muslims live in Indonesia, the most populous Muslim-majority country; 31% live in South Asia, the largest percentage of Muslims in the world; 20% live in the Middle East-North Africa, where it is the dominant religion; and 15% in sub-Saharan Africa.
Sizable Muslim communities can also be found in the Americas, China, and Europe.
Islam is the fastest-growing major religion in the world.
Etymology
The Kaaba in Mecca is the direction of prayer and destination of pilgrimage
In Arabic, Islam (Arabic:إسلام, "submission [to God]") is the verbal noun originating from the verb سلم (salama), from triliteral root س-ل-م (S-L-M), which forms a large class of words mostly relating to concepts of wholeness, submission, sincerity, safeness, and peace.
Islam is the verbal noun of Form IV of the root and means "submission" or "total surrender".
In a religious context, it means "total surrender to the will of God".
A Muslim (Arabic:مُسْلِم), the word for a follower of Islam, is the active participle of the same verb form, and means "submitter (to God)" or "one who surrenders (to God)".
The word "Islam" ("submission") sometimes has distinct connotations in its various occurrences in the Quran.
Some verses stress the quality of Islam as an internal spiritual state: "Whoever God wills to guide, He opens their heart to Islam."
Other verses connect Islam and religion (din) together: "Today, I have perfected your religion for you; I have completed My blessing upon you; I have approved Islam for your religion."
Others describe Islam as an action of returning to God - more than just a verbal affirmation of faith.
In the Hadith of Gabriel, Islam is presented as one part of a triad that also includes iman (faith), and ihsan (excellence).
The word "silm" (Arabic:سِلْم) in Arabic means both peace and also the religion of Islam.
A common linguistic phrase demonstrating its usage is "he entered into as-silm" (Arabic:دَخَلَ فِي السِّلْمِ) which means "he entered into Islam," with a connotation of finding peace by submitting one's will to the Will of GOd.
The word "Islam" can be used in a linguistic sense of submission or in a technical sense of the religion of Islam, which also is called as-silm which means peace.
Islam itself was historically called Mohammedanism in the English-speaking world.
This term has fallen out of use and is sometimes considered to be offensive, as it suggests that a human being, rather than God, is central to Muslims' religion, parallel to Buddha in Buddhism.
Some authors, however, continue to use the term Mohammedanism as a technical term for the religious system as opposed to the theological concept of Islam that exists within that system.
ARTICLES OF FAITH
Faith (iman, Arabic: إيمان) in the Islamic creed (adiqah) is often represented as the six articles of faith, notably mentioned in the Hadith of Gabriel. Belief in these articles is necessary and obligatory upon all Muslims.
Concept of God (edited)
The central concept of Islam is tawhid (Arabic:توحيد), the unity of God.
Usually thought of as a precise monotheism, but also panentheistic in Islamic mystical teachings.
God is described in Chapter 112 of the Quran: Say, "He is God - One and Indivisible; God - the Sustainer 'needed by all'. He has never had offspring, nor was He born. And there is none comparable to Him."
No human eyes can see God till the Day Of Judgement.
According to Islam, God is transcendent, therefore Muslims do not attribute human forms to God.
God is described and referred to by several names or attributes, the most common being Ar-Rahman(الرحمان) meaning, "The Entirely Merciful," and Ar-Rahim( الرحيم) meaning "The Especially Merciful" which are mentioned before reciting every chapter of the Quran except chapter nine.
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 18-Aug-21 05:51 AM
Rahman? Interesting
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Coupon12 18-Aug-21 05:52 AM
Islam teaches that the creation of everything in the universe was brought into being by God's command as expressed by the wording, "Be, and it is," and that the purpose of existence is to worship God without associating partners to Him.
Coupon11's note: As someone who struggled with existential issues as an atheist, one reason islam appealed to me is that it directly confronts the hard questions for atheists, like why does the universe exist, what caused the big bang, why do we exist (edited)
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 18-Aug-21 05:53 AM
(How does it to you?)
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Coupon12 18-Aug-21 05:53 AM
I just typed it
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Islam teaches that the creation of everything in the universe was brought into being by God's command as expressed by the wording, "Be, and it is," and that the purpose of existence is to worship God without associating partners to Him.
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Coupon12 18-Aug-21 05:53 AM
here (edited)
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 18-Aug-21 05:54 AM
Oh ok
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Coupon12 18-Aug-21 05:54 AM
God is not a part of the Christian Trinity.
He is viewed as a personal god who responds whenever a person in need or distress calls him.
There are no intermediaries, such such as clergy, to contact God, who states: "Your Lord has proclaimed, Call upon Me, I will respond to you."
Consciousness and awareness of God is referred to as Taqwa. (edited)
Allah is traditionally seen as the personal name of God, a term with no plural or gender being ascribed to it. (edited)
It is used by Muslims and Arabic-speaking Christians and Jews in reference to God, whereas 'ilah (Arabic: إله‎) is a term used for a deity or a god in general.
Angels
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 18-Aug-21 05:57 AM
(Wow, isalm rly seems mystical to me tbh)
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Muhammad reeeiving his first revelation from the angel Gabriel. From the manuscript Jami' al-Tawarikh by Rashid-al-Din Hamadani, 1307.
Belief in angels is fundamental to Islam.
The Quranic word for angel (Arabic:ملك malak) derives either from Malaka, meaning "he controlled", due to their power to govern different affairs assigned to them, or from the triliteral root '-l-k, l-'-k or m-l-k with the board meaning of a "messenger", just as its counterpart in Hebrew (mal'akh). (edited)
Unlike the Hebrew word, however, the term is used exclusively for heavenly spirits of the divine world, as opposed to human messengers.
The Quran refers to both angelic and human messengers as rasul instead.
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(Wow, isalm rly seems mystical to me tbh)
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Coupon12 18-Aug-21 06:02 AM
True, I used to struggle with addiction to psychedelic drugs, but Islam is able to permanently fill that hole that you try to fill by abusing LSD, DMT, shrooms, etc. (edited)
When I took LSD, my gender dysphoria was cured for a day or 2, then I went back to my old self quickly. When I converted to Islam, my gender dysphoria was cured for good.
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Muhammad reeeiving his first revelation from the angel Gabriel. From the manuscript Jami' al-Tawarikh by Rashid-al-Din Hamadani, 1307.
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Undercook_Crow 18-Aug-21 06:03 AM
Question: Wasn't depiction of Muhammad forbiden?
But why this exist?
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Question: Wasn't depiction of Muhammad forbiden?
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Coupon12 18-Aug-21 06:03 AM
We're not supposed to draw pictures of humans, so i'm not sure why that picture exists. It was drawn by a Mongol ruler
I think I know why now
A brief look at the wikipedia article about the artist, says he was a powerful vizier of Mongol-ruled Iran
I think Shia Islam tolerates drawings of Muhammad
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We're not supposed to draw pictures of humans, so i'm not sure why that picture exists. It was drawn by a Mongol ruler
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Undercook_Crow 18-Aug-21 06:05 AM
The school of thoughts syafie did not forbid it. The "Realism" drawing is the forbiden one
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Coupon12 18-Aug-21 06:05 AM
Iran is Shia
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Iran is Shia
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Undercook_Crow 18-Aug-21 06:05 AM
thats explain why
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Coupon12 18-Aug-21 06:06 AM
The Quran is the principal source for the Islamic concept of angels.
Some of them, such as Gabriel and Michael, are mentioned by name in the Quran, others are only referred to by their function.
In hadith literature, angels are often assigned to only one specific phenomenon.
Angels play a significant role in literature about the Mi'raj, where Muhammad encounters several angels during his journey through the heavens.
Further angels have often been featured in Islamic eschatology, theology and philosophy.
Duties assigned to angels include, for example, communicating revelations from God, glorifying God, recording every person's actions and taking a person's soul at the time of death.
In Islam, just as in Judaism and Christianity, angels are often represented in anthropomorphic forms combined with supernatural images, such as wings, being of great size or wearing heavenly articles.
The Quran describes "Angels as His messengers with wings - two, three, or four."
Common characteristics for angels are their missing needs for bodily desires, such as eating and drinking.
Their lack of affinity to material desires is also expressed by their creation from light: angels of mercy are created from nur ('light') in opposition to the angels of punishment created from nar ('fire').
Muslims do not generally share the perceptions of angelic pictorial depictions, such as those found in Western art.
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True, I used to struggle with addiction to psychedelic drugs, but Islam is able to permanently fill that hole that you try to fill by abusing LSD, DMT, shrooms, etc. (edited)
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Stunton Broan [TNOA] 18-Aug-21 06:23 AM
Good for you! :)
I'm proud of you
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Coupon12 18-Aug-21 06:25 AM
Prayer rugs happen to look a lot like what you see on LSD
It's a coincidence because they are made to be visually pleasing without having imagery, and LSD hallucinations are visually pleasing patterns
On DMT I would tumble around these rooms that look a lot like mosques in Iran (edited)
These drugs are very dangerous for muslims though, because they ruin your grip on reality
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God is described and referred to by several names or attributes, the most common being Ar-Rahman(الرحمان) meaning, "The Entirely Merciful," and Ar-Rahim( الرحيم) meaning "The Especially Merciful" which are mentioned before reciting every chapter of the Quran except chapter nine.
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Nooraana 18-Aug-21 06:27 AM
A really interesting note on this btw which taught me how stark the difference is between Arabic and English, and how much is lost in translation. The word Rahm (root: R Ḥ M) means womb. Rahma is the love a mother has for a child in her womb. Ar-Rahman is the one with the most of this kind of love. The fetus is completely unaware of the mother, and is entirely ungrateful, even kicking her from the inside. Regardless, the mother feeds the child and surrounds the child from every side and is the sole source of sustenance and life for the child. She loves it without gaining anything in return
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Coupon12 18-Aug-21 06:27 AM
And Islam is reality
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A really interesting note on this btw which taught me how stark the difference is between Arabic and English, and how much is lost in translation. The word Rahm (root: R Ḥ M) means womb. Rahma is the love a mother has for a child in her womb. Ar-Rahman is the one with the most of this kind of love. The fetus is completely unaware of the mother, and is entirely ungrateful, even kicking her from the inside. Regardless, the mother feeds the child and surrounds the child from every side and is the sole source of sustenance and life for the child. She loves it without gaining anything in return
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Coupon12 18-Aug-21 06:28 AM
Wow!
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Nooraana 18-Aug-21 06:28 AM
So just saying “The Entirely Merciful” is a huge injustice to the actual meaning of God’s perfect name
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Coupon12 18-Aug-21 06:57 AM
Revelations
The first chapter of the Quran, Al-Fatiha (The Opening), is seven verses
The Islamic holy books are the records that most Muslims believe were dictated by God to various prophets.
Muslims believe that parts of the previously revealed scriptures, the Tawrat (Torah) and the Injil (Gospel), had become distorted - either in interpretation, in text, or both.
The Quran (lit. "Recitation") is viewed by Muslims as the final revelation and literal word of God and is widely regarded as the finest literary work in the classical Arabic language.
Muslims believe that the verses of the Quran were revealed to Muhammad by God through the archangel Gabriel (Jibril) on many occasions between 610 CE until his death in 632.
While Muhammad was alive, these revelations were written down by his companions (sahabah), although the prime method of transmission was orally through memorization.
The Quran is divided into 114 chapters (suras) which combined contain 6,236 verses (ayat).
The chronologically earlier suras, revealed at Mecca, are concerned primarily with ethical and spiritual topics.
The later Medinan suras mostly discuss social and legal issues relevant to the Muslim community.
The Quran is more concerned with moral guidance than legislation, and is considered the "sourcebook of Islamic principles and values".
Muslim jurists consult the hadith ('accounts'), or the written record of Prophet Muhammad's life, to both supplement the Quran and assist with its interpretatoin.
The science of Quranic commentary and exegesis is known as tafsir.
The set of rules governing proper elocution of recitation is called tajwid.
Muslims usually view "the Quran" as the original scripture as revealed in Arabic and that any translations are necessarily deficient, which are regarded only as commentaries on the Quran.
Prophets and sunnah
According to the Quran, God instructed the prophets (Arabic: أنبياء‎, anbiya) to bring the "will of God" to the peoples of the nations.
Muslims believe prophets are human and not divine, though some can perform miracles to prove their claim.
Islamic theology says that all of God's messengers preached the message of Islam - submission to the will of GOd.
The Quran mentions the names of numerous figures considered prophets in Islam, including Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses and Jesus, among others.
Muslims believe that God finally sent Muhammad as the last law-bearing prophet ("Seal of the prophets") to convey the divine message to the entire world (to sum up and finalize the word of God).
In Islam, the "normative" example of Muhammad's life is called the sunnah (literally "trodden path").
Muslims are encouraged to emulate Muhammad's actions in their daily lives, and the sunnah is seen as crucial to guiding interpretation of the Quran.
This example is preserved in traditions known as hadith, which recount his words, his actions, and his personal characteristics.
Hadith Qudsi is a sub-category of hadith, regarded as God's verbatim words quoted by Muhammad that are not part of the Quran.
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Coupon12 18-Aug-21 07:34 AM
A hadith involves two elements: a chain of narrators, called sanad, and the actual wording, called matn.
Hadiths can be classified, by studying the narration as: "authentic" or "correct" (صَحِيْح‎. sahih); "good", hasan (حَسَن‎, ḥasan); or "weak" (ضَعِيْف‎, daif), among others.
The Kutub al-Sittah are a collection of six books, regarded as the most authentic reports in Sunnism.
Among them is Sahih al-Bukhari, often considered by Sunnis to be one of the most authentic sources after the Quran.
Another famous source of hadiths is known as The Four Books, which Shias consider as the most authentic hadith reference.
A Persian miniature depicts Muhammad leading Abraham, Moses, Jesus and other prophets in prayer.
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Coupon12 18-Aug-21 07:44 AM
Because the Quran only briefly covered the lives of biblical prophets, scholars, poets, historians, and storytellers elaborate their stories in Tales of the Prophets.
Many of these scholars were also authors of commentaries on the Quran; however, unlike Quran commentaries which follow the order and structure of the Quran itself, the Tales of the Prophets told its stores of the prophets in chronological order - which makes them similar to the Jewish and Christian versions of the Bible.
Besides prophets, saints possess blessings (Arabic:بركة , "bakara") and can perform miracles (Arabic:امات, Karamat).
Saints rank lower than prophets and they do not intercede for people on the Day of Judgment.
However, both the tombs of prophets and saints are visited frequently (Ziyarat).
People would seek the advice of a saint in their quest for spiritual fulfillment.
Unlike saints in Christianity, Muslim saints are usually acknowledged informal by consensus of common people, not by scholars.
Unlike prophets, women like Rabia of Basrawere accepted as saints.
Resurrection and judgment
Belief in the "Day of Resurrection" or Yawm al-Qiyamah (Arabic|يوم القيامة), is also crucial for Muslims.
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Nooraana 18-Aug-21 07:48 AM
So about the saints, this falls into the early stages of Sufism which are mostly condemned now. They might have been amazing people both in religiosity and community service, but after their death a lot of myths arose about their lives and that very typical human trend of “ancestor worship” arose
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Coupon12 18-Aug-21 07:49 AM
It is believed that the time of Qiyamah is preordained by God but unknown to man.
The Quran and the hadith, as well as in the commentaries of scholars describe the trials and tribulations preceding and during the Qiyamah.
The Quran emphasizes bodily resurrection, a break from the pre-Islamic Arabian understanding of death.
On Yawm al-Qiyamah (Arabic: يوم القيامة), Muslims believe all humankind will be judged by their good and bad deeds and consigned to Jannah (paradise) or Jahannam (hell).
The Quran in Surat al-Zalzalah describes this as: "So whoever does an atom's weight of good will see it. And whoever does an atom's weight of evil will see it."
The Quran lists several sins that can condemn a person to hell, such as disbelief in God (كفر‎, kufr), and dishonesty.
However, the Quran makes it clear that God will forgive the sins of those who repent if he wishes.
Good deeds, like charity, prayer and compassion towards animals, will be rewarded with entry to heaven.
Muslims view heaven as a place of joy and blessings, with Quranic references describing its features.
Mystical traditions in Islam place these heavenly delights in the context of an ecstatic awareness of God.
Yawm al-Qiyamah is also identified in the Quran as Yawm ad-Din (Arabic:يوم الدين, "Day of Religion"); as-Sa'ah (Arabic:الساعة "the Last Hour"); and al-Qari'ah (Arabic:القارعة "The Clatterer")
Divine Destiny
The concept of divine decree and destiny in Islam (Arabic: القضاء والقدر, al-qada' wa l-qadar) means that every matter, good or bad, is believed to have been decreed by God and is in line with destiny.
Al-Qadar meaning "power" derives from a root that means "to measure" or "calculating'.
The Quran emphasizes that nothing occurs outside of His divine decree: "Say, 'Nothing will ever befall us except was God has destined for us'."
Muslims often express this belief in divine destiny with the phrase "Insha-Allah" meaning "if God wills" when speaking on future events.
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Reborn 19-Aug-21 01:09 AM
Quick question - Why is the moon and star a symbol of Islam?
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Nooraana 19-Aug-21 01:14 AM
That’s more a symbol from the Turks iirc
Lemme see if I can find the article I read that in (edited)
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Quick question - Why is the moon and star a symbol of Islam?
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Reborn 19-Aug-21 01:16 AM
"won a decisive battle under a brilliant waxing moon which they attributed to their patron Goddess Artemis"
oh no
i hoped that wasnt it
but here i am
i know it wasnt the turks because
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Nooraana 19-Aug-21 01:17 AM
The Ottomans just, took the symbol when they took the city, and then spread it everywhere
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"While the crescent on its own is depicted as an emblem used on Islamic war flags from the medieval period, at least from the 13th century although it does not seem to have been in frequent use until the 14th or 15th century,"
"The adoption of star and crescent as the Ottoman state symbol started during the reign of Mustafa III (1757–1774) and its use became well-established during the periods of Abdul Hamid I (1774–1789) and Selim III (1789–1807).[46] A buyruldu from 1793 states that the ships in the Ottoman navy have that flag, and various other documents from earlier and later years mention its use.[46] The ultimate source of the emblem is unclear. It is mostly derived from the star-and-crescent symbol used by the city of Constantinople in antiquity, possibly by association with the crescent design (without the star) used in Turkish flags since before 1453.[47]"
so
we got 13 century by the islam forces and 18th by the turks
so it couldnt have been them
be as it may
the star and crescent from artemis is a pagan symbol, and not a good one
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Nooraana 19-Aug-21 01:18 AM
Byzantium had that symbol since like 370 BC (edited)
Ye it’s just a symbol of the Ottoman Empire now as well
Not really Islamic…
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Not really Islamic…
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Reborn 19-Aug-21 01:19 AM
and, yet...
impostor
sus
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Nooraana 19-Aug-21 01:20 AM
People saw it on all the fancy Turkish mosques, so when they built copies they copied that too
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Reborn 19-Aug-21 01:20 AM
there is a lot of pagan intertwining with the mainstream religions
the hexagram in modern judaism, the saturnalia overlap with christmas, and now this
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Nooraana 19-Aug-21 01:21 AM
We don’t worship that symbol and none of the mosques in my city have it
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We don’t worship that symbol and none of the mosques in my city have it
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Reborn 19-Aug-21 01:21 AM
of course, but the symbolism is there, propped up high
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Nooraana 19-Aug-21 01:21 AM
I saw it most when I went to Turkey (obviously) and then in the Turkey copycat mosques in the Middle East
Saturnalia was a whole holiday which was co-opted by the Christians. The Bible explicitly forbids covering trees in tinsel and bringing them inside homes yet people do it anyways
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Reborn 19-Aug-21 01:23 AM
saturn is a sus planet, if you look at it from an occultist perspective
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Nooraana 19-Aug-21 01:23 AM
I’m not sure where Judaism got their symbol from tho
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Reborn 19-Aug-21 01:23 AM
6th planet, hexagon storm on it's pole, forms an eye when looked from an angle
sounds similar to another entity related to the number 6, or three of those
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Nooraana 19-Aug-21 01:24 AM
Saturn the planet is evil 👀
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Reborn 19-Aug-21 01:24 AM
just sayin
iirc the bible mentions some goats or sheep eating grass when christ was born
not an easy feat in winter
so yea
the atheist in me would dismiss this as coincidences or some shit
but i am pretty sure there's more to it than that
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6th planet, hexagon storm on it's pole, forms an eye when looked from an angle
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Nooraana 19-Aug-21 01:29 AM
What’s the third 6?
Also seems Jews didn’t get their symbol from anything either besides co-opting it from European Jews
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What’s the third 6?
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Reborn 19-Aug-21 01:31 AM
i could also postulate that the word saturday - 6th day in the christian calednar - is related to saturn
so there's another 6
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Also seems Jews didn’t get their symbol from anything either besides co-opting it from European Jews
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Reborn 19-Aug-21 01:31 AM
yes
rotschilds to be exact
but, i believe jews stole much more much earlier than that
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Nooraana 19-Aug-21 01:31 AM
Saturday is Shabbat in Hebrew and Sabt in Arabic, for 7
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Reborn 19-Aug-21 01:31 AM
to be precise, the book of genesis has a suspiciously accurate tale about the lastest phase in human evolution
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Saturday is Shabbat in Hebrew and Sabt in Arabic, for 7
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Reborn 19-Aug-21 01:32 AM
well the 666 mythos didnt spawn in those religions, nwo did it?
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Nooraana 19-Aug-21 01:32 AM
And what does Saturday have to do with a planet…
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Reborn 19-Aug-21 01:32 AM
its in the book of revelation
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And what does Saturday have to do with a planet…
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name
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Nooraana 19-Aug-21 01:32 AM
Ohhh but that’s from the Nords
Not the pagans of Israel
I thought the book of revelation also came out of Arabia…
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I thought the book of revelation also came out of Arabia…
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Reborn 19-Aug-21 01:34 AM
nope, john wrote that
speaking of revelation
from what i've gathered
the antichrist, if he ever appears, will appear from the roman catholic church
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nope, john wrote that
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Nooraana 19-Aug-21 01:38 AM
Dude, he was an Arab
Literally born in modern day Lebanon
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Dude, he was an Arab
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The author names himself as "John" in the text, but his precise identity remains a point of academic debate. Second-century Christian writers such as Papias, Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Melito (the bishop of Sardis), Clement of Alexandria, and the author of the Muratorian fragment identify John the Apostle as the "John" of Revelation.[1] [2] Modern scholarship generally takes a different view,[3] with many considering that nothing can be known about the author except that he was a Christian prophet.[4] Modern theological scholars characterize The Book of Revelation's author as "John of Patmos". The bulk of traditional sources date the book to the reign of the Roman emperor Domitian (AD 81–96), which evidence tends to confirm.[5][b]
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Nooraana 19-Aug-21 01:39 AM
Well that goes into the debate that John claimed to be an apostle even though he never even could’ve met ‘Isa PBUH
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Reborn 19-Aug-21 01:40 AM
bruh, he was one of his apostles
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Nooraana 19-Aug-21 01:41 AM
https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=124572693 The blurb is sufficient you don’t have to listen
The New Testament contains multiple versions of the life and teachings of Jesus. Bart Ehrman, the author of Jesus, Interrupted,, says they are at odds with each other on important points regarding the life, death and divinity of Jesus.
The gospel of John was written significantly later and has a multitude of harsh conflicts with the others
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Reborn 19-Aug-21 01:42 AM
well that just complicates things doesnt it
remember who is most likely to put his words to ink
not the wisest, but the loudest
i havent gotten to the new testament yet, seeing as the old one is massive, so i am not qualified to talk about jesus
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Nooraana 19-Aug-21 01:44 AM
For Islamic revelation, every single narration comes with 1 or more chains of narrators leading back to the Messenger PBUH, with biographies and modes of transmission for every individual in the chain (edited)
Ye that’s understandable, it took me months to even gain the understanding I have now
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For Islamic revelation, every single narration comes with 1 or more chains of narrators leading back to the Messenger PBUH, with biographies and modes of transmission for every individual in the chain (edited)
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Reborn 19-Aug-21 01:45 AM
i cant talk about the quran much either yet
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For Islamic revelation, every single narration comes with 1 or more chains of narrators leading back to the Messenger PBUH, with biographies and modes of transmission for every individual in the chain (edited)
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Nooraana 19-Aug-21 01:45 AM
Bc of this we’re extremely certain that what has been recorded is actually what the prophet said PBUH
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i cant talk about the quran much either yet
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Nooraana 19-Aug-21 01:46 AM
I’m talking about the Hadith literature which is much longer. Includes things he said and did, the way he dressed, his physical appearance, etc.
The Quran is just one book authored by Allah, transmitted via Jibreel (Gabriel). It has its own preservation method which is even more rigorous than the Hadith preservation method (edited)
I can go into detail if you’re curious, but that’s why when I hear Christians not even certain of who wrote their books, much less why they contradict so much, it’s really hard for me to take them seriously
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The Quran is just one book authored by Allah, transmitted via Jibreel (Gabriel). It has its own preservation method which is even more rigorous than the Hadith preservation method (edited)
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Reborn 19-Aug-21 01:49 AM
except the quran hasnt been instantly transcribed either
and if i heard correctly, it had to be modified, due to the lack of diacritics for vowels in the first version
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Nooraana 19-Aug-21 01:50 AM
I can go into detail regarding how it was preserved if my word isn’t sufficient
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According to one source, sira (prophetic biography) of Muhammad list the following as scribes of the Quran: Abu Bakr al-Siddeeq, ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab, ‘Uthmaan ibn ‘Affaan, ‘Ali ibn Abi Taalib, al-Zubayr ibn al-‘Awwaam, ‘Aamir ibn Fuhayrah, ‘Amr ibn al-‘Aas, Ubayy ibn Ka’b, ‘Abd-Allaah ibn al-Arqam, Thaabit ibn Qays ibn Shammaas, Hanzalah ibn al-Rabee’ al-Usaydi, al-Mugheerah ibn Shu’bah, ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Rawaahah, Khaalid ibn al-Waleed, Khaalid ibn Sa’eed ibn al-‘Aas (whom it was said was the first one to write down anything for him), Mu’aawiyah ibn Abi Sufyaan and Zayd ibn Thaabit.[17] Sunni and Shia Muslim scholars generally believe that the Quran was written down in its entirety at the time of Muhammad's death.[citation needed] Muhammad's cousin, Ibn Abbas, describes the way in which the final version of the Quran was fixed: "the prophet recited the book before Gabriel every year in the month of Ramadan, and in the month in which he died he recited it before him twice."[18] It is believed that the term "reciting the Quran twice" means compiling all the Quranic revelations into a complete and final version. It is understood[citation needed] that toward the end of Muhammad's life a special act of revelation occurred in which a final and complete version of the Quran was created.
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and if i heard correctly, it had to be modified, due to the lack of diacritics for vowels in the first version
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Nooraana 19-Aug-21 01:51 AM
The Quran isn’t a written book, in Arabic the people who wrote manuscripts were native Arabic speakers, not brown people like me who can read Arabic but can’t speak it. For a native speaker it was completely unnecessary to cover the pages in dashes and dots
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Reborn 19-Aug-21 01:51 AM
but also
By the time of Uthman's caliphate, there was a perceived need for clarification of Qur'an reading. The Caliphate had grown considerably, expanding into Iraq, Syria, Egypt, and Iran, bringing into Islam's fold many new converts from various cultures with varying degrees of isolation.[52] These converts spoke a variety of languages but were not well learned in Arabic, and so Uthman felt it was important to standardize the written text of the Quran into one specific Arabic dialect. Another reason for compiling the Quran was that many Muslims who had memorized the Quran in its entirety (huffaz) were dying, especially in battle.[53] According to the dominant version narrated by Bukhari, the reason for the final collection of the Quran was a dispute between Muslim forces from Iraq and Syria over the correct way of reciting it during communal prayers while on an expedition to Armenia and Azerbaijan.[citation needed]
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By the time of Uthman's caliphate, there was a perceived need for clarification of Qur'an reading. The Caliphate had grown considerably, expanding into Iraq, Syria, Egypt, and Iran, bringing into Islam's fold many new converts from various cultures with varying degrees of isolation.[52] These converts spoke a variety of languages but were not well learned in Arabic, and so Uthman felt it was important to standardize the written text of the Quran into one specific Arabic dialect. Another reason for compiling the Quran was that many Muslims who had memorized the Quran in its entirety (huffaz) were dying, especially in battle.[53] According to the dominant version narrated by Bukhari, the reason for the final collection of the Quran was a dispute between Muslim forces from Iraq and Syria over the correct way of reciting it during communal prayers while on an expedition to Armenia and Azerbaijan.[citation needed]
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Nooraana 19-Aug-21 01:52 AM
These were the brown people like me who didn’t speak the language lol
So they were like “ok here are these dots and dashes, this is what they mean, don’t mess up this time”
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Reborn 19-Aug-21 01:52 AM
so, obviously god there made the classic mistake of letting smolbrain humans interpret his mysterious ways, something that i find most sus about our religions
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Nooraana 19-Aug-21 01:53 AM
How was it a mistake if I can now read it exactly the same way the Arabs 1450 years ago did?
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How was it a mistake if I can now read it exactly the same way the Arabs 1450 years ago did?
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Reborn 19-Aug-21 01:53 AM
can you truly?
how certain are you in this
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Nooraana 19-Aug-21 01:54 AM
In the class I was taught this, we were shown a folio recently dated in the UK to the lifetime of the messenger PBUH
The Huffadh in my class (individuals who have memorized the entire Quran) recited it
Even though it had no dots and dashes
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Reborn 19-Aug-21 01:55 AM
The Birmingham Quran manuscript is a parchment on which two leaves of an early Quranic manuscript are written. In 2015 the manuscript, which is held by the University of Birmingham, was radiocarbon dated to between 568 and 645 CE (in the Islamic calendar, between 56 BH and 25 AH). It is part of the Mingana Collection of Middle Eastern manuscript...
this one?
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Nooraana 19-Aug-21 01:55 AM
By God’s decree, the page in the BBC article contained verses of God stating his book is perfectly preserved
Yup
The other students were teenagers
And they could recite it bc they’ve already memorized the whole thing
I haven’t memorized these 2 pages so I need dots and dashes as a handicap
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Reborn 19-Aug-21 01:56 AM
it has dots and dashes tho
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Nooraana 19-Aug-21 01:57 AM
Those aren’t the ones we use now, it’s changed in the past 1300 years hehe
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Saud al-Sarhan, Director of Center for Research and Islamic Studies in Riyadh, has been more sceptical, questioning whether the parchment might have been reused as a palimpsest, and also noting that the writing had chapter separators and dotted verse endings – features in Arabic scripts which are believed not to have been introduced to the Quran until later.[23] The possibility of a palimpsest was later ruled out by ultraviolet testing.
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Nooraana 19-Aug-21 01:57 AM
Later ruled out
This manuscript was a family heirloom
Until the British took it
And put it in a museum
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Reborn 19-Aug-21 01:58 AM
the palimpsest theory was
not the dots and dashes
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Nooraana 19-Aug-21 01:58 AM
Yeah I’m telling you those were added later, but they are still not the same ones we use today
So idk what they mean
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Yeah I’m telling you those were added later, but they are still not the same ones we use today
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Reborn 19-Aug-21 01:59 AM
wdym added later
"There are no diacritical marks to indicate short vowels, but consonants are occasionally differentiated with oblique dashes."
ah i see
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Nooraana 19-Aug-21 02:00 AM
They had the manuscript with no markers, only letters, written most probably in the company of the Messenger PBUH himself. It was then passed down generation to generation and as the language evolved they needed to add markers so they can remember how to pronounce it or teach others how to pronounce it
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Reborn 19-Aug-21 02:00 AM
another version of diacritics
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Nooraana 19-Aug-21 02:00 AM
The same way English 1400 years ago is jibberish to you and me
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They had the manuscript with no markers, only letters, written most probably in the company of the Messenger PBUH himself. It was then passed down generation to generation and as the language evolved they needed to add markers so they can remember how to pronounce it or teach others how to pronounce it
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Reborn 19-Aug-21 02:00 AM
nah, the spectral imaging wouldve detected a difference
if even the naked eye couldnt
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Nooraana 19-Aug-21 02:01 AM
In the paper it says the consonant markers were there or that they were added later?
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Reborn 19-Aug-21 02:01 AM
neither
so i assume it means they were there
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Nooraana 19-Aug-21 02:02 AM
They weren’t
Manuscripts from that time didn’t have them or need them
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The same way English 1400 years ago is jibberish to you and me
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Nooraana 19-Aug-21 02:02 AM
Only when this happened were they added
ج ح خ
These letters are Kh, Ḥ, and J respectively
The only difference is the position of the dot
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Manuscripts from that time didn’t have them or need them
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Reborn 19-Aug-21 02:03 AM
thats exactly the problem
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Nooraana 19-Aug-21 02:03 AM
An Arabic speaker doesn’t need the dots bc the words make no sense otherwise
I have a job not hob or a khob
The Muslims were never wiped out or something that we would forget what sound the letter J makes
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Reborn 19-Aug-21 02:05 AM
yeah well, don't tell me you've never met an illiterate person in your life
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yeah well, don't tell me you've never met an illiterate person in your life
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Nooraana 19-Aug-21 02:06 AM
You can Google right now “hafiz program” and Google will show you all your local mosques where people are memorizing the entire Quran cover to cover. They don’t even need to be able to read to do it
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Reborn 19-Aug-21 02:06 AM
and the abjad that the arabs have had is quite a doozy
especially back then
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You can Google right now “hafiz program” and Google will show you all your local mosques where people are memorizing the entire Quran cover to cover. They don’t even need to be able to read to do it
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Nooraana 19-Aug-21 02:08 AM
All those programs are full of kids and sometimes adults memorizing the whole book, every single chapter and verse
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Reborn 19-Aug-21 02:08 AM
and they do that without reading?
how, but more importantly, why?
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Nooraana 19-Aug-21 02:08 AM
This has been a trend since the conception of Islam
How? With an instructor who corrects them when they make mistakes in their recitation. Why? To become a vessel of God’s word and to become the means by which His word is never changed
As soon as the person leading the prayer gets even a single vowel wrong, a half dozen people in the row behind him will correct him
During Ramaḍān we aim to read the entire Quran over 30 nights. Behind the person leading at my mosque there are 4 individuals who are also Hafiz to make sure he doesn’t slip up
That’s why the kids taking the class with me were able to read a 1400+ year old manuscript from the lifetime of the prophet PBUH in unison, with exactly the same pronunciation on every vowel in the absence of markers of any kind (besides some of the consonant markers) (edited)
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Reborn 19-Aug-21 02:13 AM
so it actually doubles as a reading lesson
that makes sense
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Nooraana 19-Aug-21 02:15 AM
Yeah when we’re praying no one is holding a manuscript, we all recite from memory 5 times a day
That’s why the leader has 3 guys backing him up just in case
4 on special occasions like Ramaḍān
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Reborn 19-Aug-21 02:16 AM
so it's not a reading lesson?
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Nooraana 19-Aug-21 02:16 AM
We read on our own time, but not during any of the prayers, no
That has to be done from memory
Unless the person is a child or convert who hasn’t memorized it yet, they’re allowed to hold one
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Reborn 19-Aug-21 02:18 AM
seems unnecessary to me, i was never a fan of reciting from memory though
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Nooraana 19-Aug-21 02:18 AM
I’ve got about 20 chapters memorized but they’re the shorter ones, my grandma taught me when I was a kid
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Reborn 19-Aug-21 02:18 AM
i couldnt learn simple kid songs
still cant
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Nooraana 19-Aug-21 02:19 AM
Our minds are amazing and the Quran is the single greatest piece of Arabic literature in existence. Some verses rhyme, some repeat, some are just in rhythm
It’s way easier to memorize than English. I found that out when I took a theater class and couldn’t get the script in my memory for AGES but I could’ve memorized a whole other chapter of the Quran in half the time. Despite not even understanding Arabic and reading translations
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Reborn 19-Aug-21 02:21 AM
well
you explained the how
the why, i will have to pester you later about
i need to catch some sleep so i dont go completely trashed to work tomorrow
catch you later
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Nooraana 19-Aug-21 02:22 AM
Ttyl!
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How? With an instructor who corrects them when they make mistakes in their recitation. Why? To become a vessel of God’s word and to become the means by which His word is never changed
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Nooraana 19-Aug-21 02:22 AM
This why is a big one for me, also bc after learning the translation it serves as a reminder for me every time I pray
“Woe to the backbiters and the slanderers” “Verily after hardship there will be ease” Etc.
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Coupon12 19-Aug-21 03:07 AM
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seems unnecessary to me, i was never a fan of reciting from memory though
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Bashem Pen Amoon 19-Aug-21 05:50 AM
You can easily memorize & learn the Quran
If you pray the 5 daily prayers (which is a requirement to be a Muslim) you must memorize AT LEAST the fatiha (beginning of the Quran) and AT LEAST one small chapter
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moon unit 19-Aug-21 06:31 AM
can muslims eat hamburgers? @Coupon12
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Nooraana 19-Aug-21 06:31 AM
With pork? No we can’t
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moon unit 19-Aug-21 06:31 AM
asking because a muslim couple came into my mooyahs today
are most burgers made of pork?
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Nooraana 19-Aug-21 06:31 AM
But sometimes people make hamburgers out of beef lol
I thought so
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moon unit 19-Aug-21 06:32 AM
beef is pretty common in US
we make ours with beef
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can muslims eat hamburgers? @Coupon12
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Coupon12 19-Aug-21 06:32 AM
It's compllicated.
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moon unit 19-Aug-21 06:32 AM
so i thought they just did not eat pork which is meat from a pig right
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Coupon12 19-Aug-21 06:32 AM
The Quran says that we can eat food from "people of the book" meaning christians and jews. the US is a majority christian country.
Muslims have debated about this since the beginning of Islam
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Nooraana 19-Aug-21 06:32 AM
The cow has to also be slaughtered correctly, a lot of slaughterhouses in the states unfortunately abuse the animals a lot and kill them with electricity or captive bolt pistols or hammers instead of just cutting their throats
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moon unit 19-Aug-21 06:33 AM
i see
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Coupon12 19-Aug-21 06:33 AM
I don't know if that's true. I thought they use electric shocks just to make them unconscious, then kill by slitting the throat
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Nooraana 19-Aug-21 06:33 AM
I follow one of the looser opinions. Chicken is permissible from anywhere bc the slaughterhouses don’t really abuse chickens and kill them by cutting their throats
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I don't know if that's true. I thought they use electric shocks just to make them unconscious, then kill by slitting the throat
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Nooraana 19-Aug-21 06:34 AM
The voltage is extremely high, and in most states captive bolt pistol is considered “humane”
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moon unit 19-Aug-21 06:34 AM
interesting , so would you say this muslim couple was in wrong eating from mooyahs? @Nooraana @Coupon12
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Coupon12 19-Aug-21 06:34 AM
It's a big world to explore with lots of cultures and restaurants, and we are given freedom to explore the world, with only very few restrictions (no pork, and nothing slaughtered in the name of other than Allah, and no alcohol)
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I follow one of the looser opinions. Chicken is permissible from anywhere bc the slaughterhouses don’t really abuse chickens and kill them by cutting their throats
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Nooraana 19-Aug-21 06:34 AM
Additionally, chickens and other animals slaughtered in God’s name are actually a good deed to eat
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Coupon12 19-Aug-21 06:35 AM
And no carnivorous animals
Think of pork as dog meat
They're both just as gross
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interesting , so would you say this muslim couple was in wrong eating from mooyahs? @Nooraana @Coupon12
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Nooraana 19-Aug-21 06:35 AM
They probably just don’t know any better, I learnt what I know from a local scholar
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And no carnivorous animals
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moon unit 19-Aug-21 06:35 AM
why is this?
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Coupon12 19-Aug-21 06:35 AM
More likely to have parasites is one secular reason
They are also a very inefficient meat source since they are so high on the food chain
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Nooraana 19-Aug-21 06:36 AM
It’s also extremely inefficient use of crops and fresh water
Every level of the food chain you lose 90% of the energy at least
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moon unit 19-Aug-21 06:36 AM
oh wow
interesting
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Nooraana 19-Aug-21 06:36 AM
Look at how much corn we need to fill our stomachs, and how much it takes to raise a cow from birth to adulthood
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moon unit 19-Aug-21 06:37 AM
yeah
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Nooraana 19-Aug-21 06:37 AM
Now imagine if you had to raise 25 cows just to feed one lion so you can eat the lion
Probably more than that
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moon unit 19-Aug-21 06:37 AM
yeah that is , un God like for sure
no better way to put it
wasteful
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Coupon12 19-Aug-21 06:38 AM
The best way to deal with pork in any situation is to mentally replace it with dog meat
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Nooraana 19-Aug-21 06:38 AM
Yeee so that’s the wisdom we assume is behind God’s ruling
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Coupon12 19-Aug-21 06:38 AM
Would you be okay with working in a restaurant where you have to serve cats and dogs? **** no
So why would you work in a restaurant with pork
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moon unit 19-Aug-21 06:38 AM
yeah
idk what to say
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Coupon12 19-Aug-21 06:39 AM
Ugh, I had a long and stressful battle with my family because they were angry at me for quitting a pizza delivery job
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moon unit 19-Aug-21 06:39 AM
i mean that's a super righteous and good way of looking at it imo
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Coupon12 19-Aug-21 06:39 AM
"BUT YOU'RE NOT EEAAATTTING IT!!!"
"IF YOU DIDN'T DELIVER IT, SOMEONE ELSE WOULD"
"SO YOU THINK YOU CAN PUSH YOUR RELIGION ON EVERYONE ELSE AND REFUSE TO SERVE THEM PORK"
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moon unit 19-Aug-21 06:39 AM
and God replaced it with something better 🙂
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Nooraana 19-Aug-21 06:39 AM
Man I refused to apply to every job against my morals until an Islamic nonprofit job fell in my lap lol
My first job ever and I was being paid $13 an hour, now $15
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moon unit 19-Aug-21 06:40 AM
nice man
im making 14,50 at this burger place , its the most ive ever gotten
i wish i could do more spiritual work (edited)
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Nooraana 19-Aug-21 06:40 AM
God is in control of literally everything, so we shouldn’t assume he won’t help us when we want to do good
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moon unit 19-Aug-21 06:40 AM
even for less money
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Coupon12 19-Aug-21 06:41 AM
Unfortunately the job I have now is still difficult. A lot of the customers are girls with very revealing clothes, and even having them in my peripheral vision is too much of a trigger
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God is in control of literally everything, so we shouldn’t assume he won’t help us when we want to do good
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moon unit 19-Aug-21 06:41 AM
absolutely
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Nooraana 19-Aug-21 06:41 AM
Yeah I’m really lucky to just be in an office :/
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Unfortunately the job I have now is still difficult. A lot of the customers are girls with very revealing clothes, and even having them in my peripheral vision is too much of a trigger
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moon unit 19-Aug-21 06:41 AM
find a girl ?
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find a girl ?
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Coupon12 19-Aug-21 06:41 AM
Won't be able to until I finish university and get a job
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moon unit 19-Aug-21 06:42 AM
i love frying burgs tbh it's satisfying
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Coupon12 19-Aug-21 06:42 AM
Also coming from a family full of atheists, i have no connections with any muslim families so i don't know how I will ever find a wife
God gave me a very unique life (edited)
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Won't be able to until I finish university and get a job
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moon unit 19-Aug-21 06:42 AM
well good luck , you are a stronger person then I for not pursuing that
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Coupon12 19-Aug-21 06:43 AM
My entire family is atheists and agnostics
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Nooraana 19-Aug-21 06:43 AM
There are a lot of resources for converts here luckily
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moon unit 19-Aug-21 06:44 AM
i was actually hoping we could have some candid discussions on Christ and Islam @Nooraana @Coupon12
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Coupon12 19-Aug-21 06:44 AM
I don't even know any Christian families
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i was actually hoping we could have some candid discussions on Christ and Islam @Nooraana @Coupon12
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Nooraana 19-Aug-21 06:44 AM
Ofc!
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Coupon12 19-Aug-21 06:44 AM
A family full of atheists and agnostics is a pariah
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Nooraana 19-Aug-21 06:44 AM
I was lucky to learn a lot from a Baptist missionary before COVID hit
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Coupon12 19-Aug-21 06:44 AM
no connections
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moon unit 19-Aug-21 06:44 AM
ok give me one sec to find this pic, im very curious to hear both your opinions.
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i was actually hoping we could have some candid discussions on Christ and Islam @Nooraana @Coupon12
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Coupon12 19-Aug-21 06:44 AM
I plan to do a reading session of the Christianity wikipedia article at some point
Maybe after I finish the Islam article
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moon unit 19-Aug-21 06:45 AM
it's nothing like confrontational btw 💚
lemme find it brb
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Coupon12 19-Aug-21 06:46 AM
In the meantime I am also working hard at the gym so I can be visually pleasing
But this stupid masks issue is making me lose my mind
IN my opinion, it's better to go to the gym for your health, risking covid, than to not go to the gym
Would you avoid the gym every winter because of the flu, too?
Strep throat is always around too
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moon unit 19-Aug-21 06:47 AM
nice man
curls for the girls
also dont worry about covid
anyways
here is that picture:
sorry for da spam, if either of you are interested in reading the rest i can send you it (edited)
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Nooraana 19-Aug-21 06:48 AM
One sec I’ll read it in a bit
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moon unit 19-Aug-21 06:48 AM
it is about the demiurge
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Coupon12 19-Aug-21 06:48 AM
Muslims believe in Satan who is constantly tempting us to do bad things
This world is definitely not hell.
You're not getting rusty nails jammed into your eyeballs every second
Or having your toenails ripped off
Even when you go through bad things in this world, your brain is good at coping
I've been through some truly horrific things, like my dad catching me overdosing on LSD on February 2020, getting extremely angry and slapping me around for hours
But at the time it was just like a bad dream and I eventually came out of it (edited)
That doesn't work in hell.
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moon unit 19-Aug-21 06:52 AM
well the idea is that the demiurge always tries to maintain spiritual 'plausible deniability' so to speak and keep people convinced and invested that this world is just material and nothing more
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Coupon12 19-Aug-21 06:53 AM
Nothing wrong there, sounds like something Satan does
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moon unit 19-Aug-21 06:53 AM
it is so that we reincarnate and continue being a source of energy for the demiurge and his archon henchmen
but heroes from heaven have come into our bubble voluntarily (Jesus , Allah peace be upon them )
to show us there is a way out
but we are not perfect
so we stumble towards heaven imitating Jesus' walk
that's why it is said we must bear our cross and stumble uphill
it's also about giving up the flesh
you cannot love your flesh
you will die 💚 (edited)
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Coupon12 19-Aug-21 06:55 AM
Muslims believe that one reason Satan tempts you to do bad things is because he wants to show God that everyone else is just as bad as him
"I'm not that bad, look at everyone else!! i'm not the only bad one!" (edited)
But when the day of judgment comes, you'll try to defend yourself by pointing to satan and saying "But he made me do those things!!!" and then satan will be like "I didn't make him do anything... I only told him to do those things"
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Regia 19-Aug-21 06:58 AM
question as a catholic, does islam have an equivalent to reconciliation/confession?
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question as a catholic, does islam have an equivalent to reconciliation/confession?
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Coupon12 19-Aug-21 06:59 AM
No. Muslims ask God for forgiveness and God sees your thoughts. No one in between, like priest
IT's discouraged to tell others your sins, including an imam, for no reason
Unless you're, like, asking for help on stopping it
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Nooraana 19-Aug-21 07:11 AM
Muslims also believe we first exist as souls in heaven, waiting in an assembly to be born, after which we have another life in our mother’s womb wherein we are completely unaware of and unthankful to our mother. After we are born we exit that temporary world for one that makes the previous one seem insignificant
Now in this life we are also often unaware of our creator and sustainer, and we are incredibly ungrateful
Soon we will leave this life for one which is so much longer than this one, that it’ll seem insignificant, except in the things we did which had eternal consequences
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Coupon12 19-Aug-21 07:43 AM
ACTS OF WORSHIP
There are five core practices in Islam, collectively known as "The Pillars of Islam" (Arkan al-Islam) or "Pillars of the Religion" (Arkan ad-din), which are considered obligatory for all believers.
The Quran presents them as a framework for worship and a sign of commitment to the faith: Three of the pillars are obligatory for all Muslims, while Zakat and Hajj are obligatory only for able Muslims.
Both Sunni and Shi'a sects agree on the essential details for performing these acts.
Apart from these, Muslims also perform other religious acts.
Notable among them are voluntary charity (Sadaqah) and recitation of the Quran.
Testimony
Silver coin of the Mughal Emperor Akbar, inscribed with the Shahadah
The shahadah, which is the basic creed of Islam, must be recited under oath with the specific statement: "ashhadu 'al-la 'ilaha 'illa-llahu wa 'ashhadu 'anna muhammadan rasulu-llah" (أشهد أن لا إله إلا الله وأشهد أن محمداً رسول الله‎), or, "I testify that none deserves worship except God and I testify that Muhammad is the messenger of God."
This testament is a foundation for all other beliefs and practices in Islam. Non-Muslims wishing to convert to Islam are required to recite the creed.
Prayer
Muslim men prostrating in prayer, at the Umayyad Mosque, Damascus.
The five daily ritual prayers are called salah or salat (Arabic: صلاة|صلاة).
Salat is intended to focus the mind on God and is seen as a personal communication with him expressing gratitude and worship.
Salat consists of bowing and prostrating to God and praising God.
Performing prayers five times a day is compulsory, but flexibility in the timing specifics is allowed depending on circumstances.
The prayers are recited in the Arabic language and consist of verses from the Quran.
The prayers are done in the direction of the Ka'bah.
The act of supplicating is referred to as dua.
Ritual purity is required for salat, this is achieved through wudu (ritual purification) or ghusl (full body ritual purification).
A mosque is a place of worship for Muslims, who often refer to it by its Arabic name masjid.
A large mosque for gathering for Friday prayers or Eid prayers is called masjid jami (مَسْجِد جَامِع‎, "congregational mosque").
Although the primary purpose of the masjid is to serve as a place of prayer, it is also important to the Muslim community as a place to meet and study.
The Masjid an-Nabawi ("Prophetic Mosque") in Medina, Saudi Arabia, was also a place of refuge for the poor.
Modern mosques have evolved greatly from the early designs of the 7th century and contain a variety of architectural elements such as minarets.
The means used to signal the prayer time is a vocal call called the adhan.
Charity
Zakat (Arabic: زكاة‎, zakah, 'alms') is a means of welfare in a Muslim society, characterized by the giving of a fixed portion (2.5% annually) of accumulated wealth by those who can afford it to help the poor and needy, such as for freeing captives, those in debt, or for (stranded) travellers, and for those employed to collect zakat.
It is considered a religious obligation (as opposed to supererogatory charity, known as Sadaqah) that the well-off owe to the needy because their wealth is seen is a "trust from God's bounty".
Conservative estimates of annual zakat are that it amounts to 15 times global humanitarian aid contributions.
The first Caliph, Abu Bakr, distributed zakat as one of the first examples of a guaranteed minimum income, with each man, woman and child getting 10 to 20 dirhams anually.
Sadaqah means optional charity practiced as a religious duty and out of generosity.
Both the Quran and the hadith put much emphasis on spending money for the welfare of needy people, and have urged Muslims to give more as an act of optional charity.
The Quran says; "Those who spend their wealth in charity day and night, secretly and openly - their reward is with their Lord."
One of the early teachings of Muhammad was that God expects men to be generous with their wealth and not to be miserly.
Accumulating wealth without spending it to address the needs of the poor is generally prohibited and admonished.
Another kind of charity in Islam is waqf, meaning a perpetual religious endowment of property.
Fasting
A fast-breaking feast, known as Iftar, is served traditionally with dates
Fasting (Arabic: صوم‎, sawm) from food and drink, among other things, must be performed from dawn to after sunset during the month of Ramadan. (edited)
The fast is to encourage a feeling of nearness to God, and during it, Muslims should express their gratitude for and dependence on him, atone for their past sins, develop self-control and restraint, and think of the needy.
Sawm is not obligatory for several groups for whom it would constitute an undue burden.
For others, flexibility is allowed depending on circumstances, but missed fasts must be compensated for later.
Pilgrimage
Pilgrims at the Great Mosque of Mecca during the Hajj season
The obligatory Islamic pilgrimage, called the "hajj" (Arabic: حج), has to be performed during the first weeks of the twelfth Islamic month of Dhu al-Hijjah in the city of Mecca.
Every physically and financially able Muslim must make the pilgrimage to Mecca at least once in their lifetime.
All Muslim men should wear simple white clothing (ihram) during Hajj and Umrah.
Rituals of the Hajj include: spending a day and a night in the tents on the desert plain of Mina, then a day in the desert plain of Mount Arafat praying and worshiping God, following the footsteps of Abraham; then spending a night out in the open, sleeping on the desert sand in the desert plain of Muzdalifah; then moving to Jamarat, symbolically stoning the Devil recounting Abraham's actions; then going around Mecca and walking seven times around the Kaaba which Muslims believe Abraham built as a place of worship; then walking seven times between Mount Safa and Mount Marwah recounting the steps of Abraham's wife, Hagar, while she was looking for water for her son Ishmael in the desert before Mecca developed into a settlement.
Another form of pilgrimage, umrah, is supererogatory (not morally required) and can be undertaken at any time of the year.
The Quran refers to Islamic Pilgrimage in various places, often describing the rites and rulings which apply when undertaking Hajj.
Quranic recitation and memorization
Muslim men reading the Quran
Muslims recite and memorize the whole or parts of the Quran as acts of virtue.
Reciting the Quran with elocution (tajwid) has been described as an excellent act of worship.
Pious Muslims recite the whole Quran during the month of Ramadan.
In Muslim societies, any social program generally begins with the recitation of the Quran.
One who has memorized the whole Quran is called a hafiz ("memorizer") who, it is said, will be able to intercede for ten people on the Last Judgment Day.
Apart from this, almost every Muslim memorizes some portion of the Quran because they need to recite it during their prayers.
Al-Ikhlas
Sincerity is the Quran's 112th chapter as recited by Imam Mishary Rashid Alafasy
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Coupon12 20-Aug-21 02:46 AM
LAW
Sharia is the religious law forming part of the Islamic tradition.
It is derived from the religious precepts of Islam, particularly the Quran and the Hadith.
In Arabic, the term shariah refers to God's divine law and is contrasted with fiqh, which refers to its scholarly interpretations.
The manner of its application in modern times had been a subject of dispute between Muslim traditionalists and reformists.
Traditional theory of Islamic jurisprudence recognizes four sources of Sharia: the Quran, sunnah (Hadith and Sira), qiyas (analogical reasoning), and ijma (juridical consensus).
Different legal schools developed methodologies for deriving Sharia rulings from scriptural sources using a process known as ijtihad.
Traditional jurisprudence distinguishes two principal branches of law, ibadat (rituals) and mu'amalat (social relations), which together comprise a wide range of topics.
Its rulings assign actions to one of five categories: mandatory (fard), recommended (mustahabb), permitted (mubah), abhorred (makrub), and prohibited (haram).
Some areas of Sharia overlap with the western notion of law while others correspond more broadly to living life in accordance with God's will.
Historically, Sharia was interpreted by independent jurists (muftis).
Their legal opinions (fatwa) were taken into account by ruler-appointed judges who presided over qadi's courts, and by mazalim courts, which were controlled by the ruler's council and administered criminal law.
In the modern era, sharia-based criminal laws were widely replaced by statutes inspired by European models.
The Ottoman Empire's 19th-century Tanzimat reforms led to the Mecelle Civil code and represented the first attempt to codify Sharia.
While the constitutions of most Muslim-majority states contain references to Sharia, its classical rules were largely retained only in personal status (family) laws.
Legislative bodies who codified these laws sought to modernize them without abandoning their foundations in traditional jurisprudence.
The Islamic revival of the late 20th century brought along calls by Islamist movements for complete implementation of sharia.
The role of Sharia has become a contested topic around the world.
There are ongoing debates whether Sharia is compatible with secular forms of government, human rights, freedom of thought, and women's rights.
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Bashem Pen Amoon 20-Aug-21 08:38 AM
Simple proof that the sunnah books are authentic
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Bashem Pen Amoon 20-Aug-21 08:38 AM
Simple proof that from the Quran and Sunnah, Muslims over 700 years ago believed in firm scientific facts they could not observe themselves
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Nooraana 20-Aug-21 08:42 AM
If only Muslims in modernity believed in science as much as they did back then...
Now countries in South Asia especially are plagued by anti-vaxxers
And up until the last century some scholars still thought the sun revolves around the Earth
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Coupon12 20-Aug-21 08:45 AM
I don't really get it, what does solar eclipse have to do with death of ibrahim? (edited)
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Nooraana 20-Aug-21 08:46 AM
Oh it shows that the eclipse mentioned on that specific date Ibrahim died did actually occur
Over 1400+ years, the date of the eclipse recorded on the death of the Messenger's son has not been changed
Even though the Hadiths have been transmitted orally from one narrator to the next, the authentication system is so robust that we have proof they weren't changed
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I don't really get it, what does solar eclipse have to do with death of ibrahim? (edited)
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Bashem Pen Amoon 20-Aug-21 08:47 AM
The book of Bukhari, written over 1200 years ago (200 years after the prophet's death) based on narrations that are connected, accurate and well known, mentioned this fact
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Coupon12 20-Aug-21 08:47 AM
Wow!
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Bashem Pen Amoon 20-Aug-21 08:47 AM
People today have the audacity to say that Sahih al Bukhari is wrong/based on whim/written very recently or whatever
They are clowning about for all I can tell you
Sahih al Bukahri -no offense to any Christian- is more sacred and more holy than the Bible
Sahih al Bukhari is the most authentic book after the Quran
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Nooraana 20-Aug-21 08:49 AM
Because the Christians were persecuted so heavily from the beginning, not only was a lot of their revelation lost but we aren't even certain of who wrote the books which survived
By God's grace and because of His promise, all of the revelation given to Muhammad PBUH has been preserved perfectly
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Bashem Pen Amoon 20-Aug-21 08:50 AM
And this uncertainty is further substantiated with how there is absolutely not method of narration present, therefore all you can say about these books is "hypothetical narrations"
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By God's grace and because of His promise, all of the revelation given to Muhammad PBUH has been preserved perfectly
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Bashem Pen Amoon 20-Aug-21 08:50 AM
And more to come, the earth will yield to this religion
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And this uncertainty is further substantiated with how there is absolutely not method of narration present, therefore all you can say about these books is "hypothetical narrations"
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Nooraana 20-Aug-21 08:50 AM
Well yeah, that's how it is for all religions besides Islam
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Bashem Pen Amoon 20-Aug-21 08:51 AM
By the way, during the time Christians were persecuting Galileo and Giordano Bruno for their scientific efforts, Muslim scholars were deciphering the secrets of the universe and beyond https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giordano_Bruno#A_martyr_of_science https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolaus_Copernicus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_Galilei#Later_Church_reassessments Please, if you are not capable of reading about human bloodshed crimes do not access these links (edited)
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Coupon12 21-Aug-21 01:44 AM
Serious question, how is a good Muslim supposed to view Jews? Are we supposed to dislike them or accept them?
It seems like these days the world views Muslims and Jews as enemies
Are most jews good or bad people?
I don't really know any in real life
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Nooraana 21-Aug-21 02:17 AM
The Messenger PBUH always treated them with respect. The most supreme example of this is that Muslims are allowed to marry Christians and Jews and other Muslims but no one else. Allah SWT has allowed us to spend our lives with someone of a different faith, which shows how compatible many of our morals are
There are many jews who very vocally defend the palestinian cause, the racist ones are just louder :/ (edited)
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Serious question, how is a good Muslim supposed to view Jews? Are we supposed to dislike them or accept them?
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Bashem Pen Amoon 21-Aug-21 02:41 AM
-Quran 2:136
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Author icon Surah Al-Baqara (The Cow)
2:136
So [you believers], say, ‘We believe in God and in what was sent down to us and what was sent down to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and what was given to Moses, Jesus, and all the prophets by their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and we devote ourselves to Him.’
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Coupon12 21-Aug-21 11:00 PM
You have to keep praying even in good times
Can't be like, ugh my life is so hard so I go to the mosque 5 times a day, then when your problems go away, start getting lax in worship "eh everything is okay now, why bother"
Or else you start to backslide
-quran 11:9-11 khattab
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Author icon Surah Hud (Hud)
11:9
If We give people a taste of Our mercy then take it away from them, they become utterly desperate, ungrateful.
11:10
But if We give them a taste of prosperity after being touched with adversity, they say, “My ills are gone,” and become totally prideful and boastful,
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except those who patiently endure and do good. It is they who will have forgiveness and a mighty reward.
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Nooraana 23-Aug-21 05:31 PM
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Nooraana 24-Aug-21 07:12 AM
So basically there are a couple things 1. Music artificially invokes emotions in people, as a result when the emotions are invoked naturally they aren’t as powerful or valuable as they would be otherwise 2. We have much better alternatives. When we could listen to God’s word instead, what good is music? However, there is an issue with the second point. We don’t understand Classical Arabic so all we hear when we listen to Quran is Arabic with a word here or there. 1400 years ago, those people cried every time they heard recitation because they knew exactly what it means and how beautiful it is. We don’t have that blessing until we study Arabic extensively for a couple years or memorize translations of a couple chapters Also a disclaimer, there is indeed a difference of opinion regarding permissibility. The MOST relaxed opinion is that music is allowed as long as the contents aren’t immoral. For example, they’re not about women or drugs or killing, or complaining, or anger, etc. The permissible music is then just Islamic songs or nursery rhymes or classical music for example NOTE: the music may still be disliked, and it definitely isn’t a good deed to listen to it, but it isn’t a sin either, just better to avoid if possible @Coupon12 (edited)
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Nooraana 24-Aug-21 05:17 PM
This article seems to address all the immoral music which is popular today ^
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Coupon12 25-Aug-21 01:33 AM
My dad is an ex-muslim atheist, and I am an ex-atheist muslim. It sounds like the perfect scenario for a sitcom.
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Nooraana 25-Aug-21 02:25 AM
A reminder to everyone that anything is possible
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Coupon12 25-Aug-21 07:00 AM
I sent mail to my wealthy family members asking if they can help pay my tuition if i prove that my grades improved after converting to islam
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Nooraana 25-Aug-21 07:42 AM
InshaAllah it works out man
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Coupon13 25-Aug-21 06:36 PM
👍 👍
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Whimmie 26-Aug-21 09:39 PM
Atheists when they hear Darwin clause evolving up the chimney
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Coupon13 26-Aug-21 09:40 PM
Your missing out
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Whimmie 26-Aug-21 09:40 PM
Swearing is haram the profit mahallid said so
*dj khalid
Sorry autocorrect
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Reborn 26-Aug-21 09:41 PM
music is a huge part of my life, people listening to trash in the background while they get drunk isnt an argument against other more refined forms of music (edited)
hell, even more unrefined forms of music
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Whimmie 26-Aug-21 09:41 PM
Yes this is the allah way
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Coupon13 26-Aug-21 09:42 PM
Bruh I was a rapper
I quit it making it and listening to it
Its not as wild as it sounds tbh
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Reborn 26-Aug-21 09:42 PM
i know
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Whimmie 26-Aug-21 09:42 PM
Give up your aspirations and careers for allah
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Reborn 26-Aug-21 09:42 PM
i've been there
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Coupon13 26-Aug-21 09:42 PM
You were a rapper?
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Whimmie 26-Aug-21 09:43 PM
Yes I believe in saladaladadingdong we must starve ourselves now
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Coupon13 26-Aug-21 09:43 PM
I saw it @Reborn
Lol
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You were a rapper?
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Reborn 26-Aug-21 09:44 PM
i made beats in fl studio, made edm, made a rap song or two, played piano in my youth, play piano from time to time when i go to my hometown, play acoustic guitar when im bored
also the bot is turbo cancer
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Coupon13 26-Aug-21 09:44 PM
Lol
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Reborn 26-Aug-21 09:44 PM
let me say fvck in peace
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i made beats in fl studio, made edm, made a rap song or two, played piano in my youth, play piano from time to time when i go to my hometown, play acoustic guitar when im bored
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Whimmie 26-Aug-21 09:44 PM
And you gave it all up?
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And you gave it all up?
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Reborn 26-Aug-21 09:44 PM
music doesnt pay the bills
programming does
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Coupon13 26-Aug-21 09:44 PM
Facts
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Reborn 26-Aug-21 09:44 PM
doesnt mean i gave it up
just means it's a hobby now
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Whimmie 26-Aug-21 09:45 PM
Oh epic
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Reborn 26-Aug-21 09:45 PM
i still do shit with my fingers, so yeah
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Whimmie 26-Aug-21 09:45 PM
Coding is quite epic tbh
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Reborn 26-Aug-21 09:45 PM
OH SO SHIT ISNT BANNED BUT FVCK IS?????
come on
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Coding is quite epic tbh
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Reborn 26-Aug-21 09:45 PM
depends on the company and the field
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Coupon13 26-Aug-21 09:45 PM
I dont quit Music just because its bad , not all things that is prohibited to Muslims is considered bad, its to test us weather we are faithful
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I dont quit Music just because its bad , not all things that is prohibited to Muslims is considered bad, its to test us weather we are faithful
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Reborn 26-Aug-21 09:45 PM
a bad test imo
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Coupon13 26-Aug-21 09:46 PM
To you it is... ig
I dont listen or make music I dont really care anymore
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Reborn 26-Aug-21 09:47 PM
a shame, you're missing out
you still have the nasheeds, and some are quite bomb
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Coupon13 26-Aug-21 09:47 PM
Truu lol
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Reborn 26-Aug-21 09:47 PM
but you guys keep saying that the quran is like poetry, but poetry and music go hand in hand
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Whimmie 26-Aug-21 09:48 PM
Masallah my lord masallah
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Reborn 26-Aug-21 09:48 PM
how can you know the quality of poetry, if the cadence and rhythm of music is verboten
smh
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Coupon13 26-Aug-21 09:48 PM
Sort of, but a song without a beat would sound stupid
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Whimmie 26-Aug-21 09:48 PM
Masallah my ribena masallah
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Coupon13 26-Aug-21 09:48 PM
Poetry is made nice on its own
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Whimmie 26-Aug-21 09:49 PM
Me and the boys listen to this while beheading infidels 🔥
Discord says that femboys must always be submissive and breedable
I work in a warehouse bro…there’s no homework ther- PAHAHAHAHAH
Ok that was good
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Aug-21 10:43 PM
Believing in evolution means you aren't dealinf with it as a scientific subject
You don't "believe" in a theory
You accept evolution as a fact?
So not only are you eating away at the term "theory" and how the entire thing is based off of one sad man whose daughter died
But you have also not read anything about it to say why you "believe" in it
Is it true that there are "no weaknesses" in evolutionary theory? All one must do is examine the technical scientific literature and inquire whether there are legitimate scientific challenges to…
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sooncan corn 26-Aug-21 10:45 PM
Evolution could just be made up
I haven’t looked into it
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Aug-21 10:45 PM
That is the strongest instance of psychological projection
Theory means a scientific proposition that is based off of tangible evidence that cannot be dealt with as a scientific fact, that merely serves the purpose of explaining something
Theories are something solid, rugged, like continental drift
The evidence are too strong to be weakened BUT it is not a fact because the event was not OBSERVED
Not only was evolution NEVER observed
But its "evidence" are nothing more than quackery
No one seriously educated thinks of evolution as anything other than a gargantuan joke
Go read a book, please. You do not know how great the Quran is and you do not come close to the classification of someone capable of criticizing it
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Regia 31-Aug-21 01:39 AM
so i heard the whole thing about the quran having calculations for the speed of light, how does that work?
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so i heard the whole thing about the quran having calculations for the speed of light, how does that work?
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Nooraana 31-Aug-21 01:47 AM
You can try and find someone disproving this online, if you find someone who brings up an argument the paper doesn’t address lmk
Bc I haven’t found one yet
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Coupon13 03-Sep-21 06:58 AM
It is narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) observed: Verily Allah forgave my people the evil promptings which arise within their hearts as long as they did not speak about them or did not act upon them.
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Coupon13 05-Sep-21 12:13 AM
Anas bin Malik narrated that the Messenger of Allah (xSAW ) said: "There shall come upon the people a time in which the one who is patient upon his religion will be like the one holding onto a burning ember."
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Chisa 07-Sep-21 03:42 PM
trash pedophile nonsense
terrorist garbage
islam is a religion of terrorist, and not a religion of peace
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Nooraana 08-Sep-21 05:20 AM
Huh lol
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Coupon13 08-Sep-21 08:15 AM
Prophet ﷺ said: Three things can save a person: ١. Fear of Allāh in private and in public. ٢. Fairness in happiness and in anger. ٣. Generosity in both poverty and in wealth. And three things can destroy a person: ١. Desires that are followed. ٢. Greed that is obeyed. ٣. A person being amazed and pleased with themselves. ‎● [صحيح الجامع ٣٠٣٩]
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Coupon13 09-Sep-21 12:16 PM
blissfulness (edited)
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Nooraana 09-Sep-21 09:05 PM
Yeah it also depends on the content of the music
Can be a slippery slope so I’ve just been trying to avoid all of it when I can
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Coupon13 10-Sep-21 06:40 AM
Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “The world is a prison for the believer and a paradise for the unbeliever.” Source: Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 2956 Grade: Sahih (authentic) according to Muslim
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Nooraana 10-Sep-21 07:11 AM
I’m honestly kinda upset today
Always being disillusioned with the state of Muslims
All the Muslims I know in university are very heavily concentrated at opposite ends of the spectrum
Either they pray regularly, don’t date, don’t smoke, dress modestly, etc
Or they’re even worse than all my non Muslim friends
When they date they suck at commitment and taking care of their gf’s or bf’s emotional needs
For the sisters, for some reason they come to class looking like they need to go clubbing immediately afterwards
The guys smoke a hookah really often
Like, maybe it’s bc they know what they’re doing is wrong so they just do as much wrong as they can to distract themselves?
Meanwhile the atheists and Christians I’m friends with are just trying to live their lives by their families’ moral compass
Also there are some people who are in the middle, guys and girls, just relatively less as compared to other groups. They pray sometimes, maybe have a fling that ends poorly, still have “salaam!” as their default greeting for other Muslims, etc (edited)
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Coupon13 10-Sep-21 01:26 PM
Weird right? I've noticed that too
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Always being disillusioned with the state of Muslims
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 04:01 PM
It aches me greatly, too
They are poor, they do not know the truth as it is
And as some earlier imams said "Poor are those that leave life without tasting its greatest pleasure, knowing Allah"
But again, I remember what the King said in His book
-Quran 68:7
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Author icon Surah Al-Qalam (The Pen)
68:7
Your Lord knows best who strays from His path and who is rightly guided.
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Nooraana 26-Sep-21 04:45 PM
-Quran 18:6
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Author icon Surah Al-Kahf (The Cave)
18:6
But [Prophet] are you going to worry yourself to death over them if they do not believe in this message?
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Nooraana 26-Sep-21 04:45 PM
This one also hits so hard
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 04:48 PM
True.. true
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very chill 26-Sep-21 06:32 PM
why is this to be asked and
we dont know how our prophet looks like
and neither do we know about the other prophets
i didnt see any memes with his "picture"
yes, the christians
as i stated, we dont know how our prophet PBUH looks like
we cant make guessed bcuz disrespect
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 06:34 PM
Imagery of anything and specifically prophets is impermissible in Islam @A Thorny Crown
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Nooraana 26-Sep-21 06:35 PM
It’s wrong to make images of any Messenger, people are just more passionate about muhammad PBUH
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 06:35 PM
This is also due to the fact that these images were made to discriminate and insult
Hope that answered
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Geodesic 26-Sep-21 06:35 PM
No, that's some Muslims
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very chill 26-Sep-21 06:35 PM
im not professional
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Geodesic 26-Sep-21 06:35 PM
A few Muslims doesn't represent all Muslims?
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Nooraana 26-Sep-21 06:35 PM
It’s also wrong to kill people over a picture they drew lol
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 06:35 PM
Jesus is our prophet
But
BUT
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Nooraana 26-Sep-21 06:36 PM
I’m not gonna defend someone committing a murder
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very chill 26-Sep-21 06:36 PM
@A Thorny Crown were clearly answering
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Nooraana 26-Sep-21 06:36 PM
Both are wrong
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 06:36 PM
He is your God, and it is your duty to be angry for your deity. We surely grieve for his sadness but our grief for OUR prophet (not a prophet sent to the lost sheep of Israel)
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Nooraana 26-Sep-21 06:36 PM
Lmao
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 06:36 PM
@very chill Let me answer please
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@very chill Let me answer please
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very chill 26-Sep-21 06:36 PM
go ahead
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Nooraana 26-Sep-21 06:37 PM
We already gave you an answer
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 06:37 PM
We grieve for Jesus and we are sad that you insult him and allow him to be insulted day and night
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Geodesic 26-Sep-21 06:37 PM
Okay your question is why don't we feel as strongly when there are pictures depticing Jesus (Isa AS PBUH)
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Coupon13 26-Sep-21 06:37 PM
I personally don't like drawings of Jesus PBUH, but when Christians themselves draw it, its a lost cause (edited)
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 06:37 PM
But you people have normalized it, as part of your culture
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Geodesic 26-Sep-21 06:37 PM
^
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 06:38 PM
Thus our defense is in vain
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Coupon13 26-Sep-21 06:38 PM
The only drawings of Jesus PBUH in the middle east is probably christian portraits
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 06:38 PM
I can see that you have "Best book is the Bible" in your description @A Thorny Crown
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Coupon13 26-Sep-21 06:38 PM
If you insult Jesus pbuh you won't have it easy in a Muslim country
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 06:38 PM
Have you read the Bible?
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Geodesic 26-Sep-21 06:38 PM
@A Thorny Crown Do you get angry when there's images of Jesus?
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Nooraana 26-Sep-21 06:38 PM
Third commandment (edited)
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Imagery of anything and specifically prophets is impermissible in Islam @A Thorny Crown
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 06:38 PM
@A Thorny Crown
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Coupon13 26-Sep-21 06:39 PM
Why?
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 06:39 PM
You do but 95% of Christians don't
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Nooraana 26-Sep-21 06:39 PM
I’d say 99% lol
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 06:39 PM
Thus you are in a tribulation of your people being insensitive
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very chill 26-Sep-21 06:39 PM
mufti menk moment
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I’d say 99% lol
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 06:39 PM
99.99% also, since there are outlets for mockery of Christianity daily, and Christians laugh at these jokes
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Coupon13 26-Sep-21 06:40 PM
everyone chill out i wanna see what he has to say lel
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 06:40 PM
All your questions were answered, anything else? @A Thorny Crown
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everyone chill out i wanna see what he has to say lel
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very chill 26-Sep-21 06:40 PM
tru
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 06:41 PM
You'll find it in your tag log
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Geodesic 26-Sep-21 06:41 PM
This man is
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@A Thorny Crown
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 06:41 PM
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Geodesic 26-Sep-21 06:41 PM
Uff
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Thus you are in a tribulation of your people being insensitive
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 06:41 PM
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very chill 26-Sep-21 06:41 PM
also i have a question @A Thorny Crown how is jesus god when god created him and his mother and resurrected him?
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Geodesic 26-Sep-21 06:41 PM
How can God die when God can't die
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 06:41 PM
What does God in flesh mean?
Does that mean he is part human and part divine?
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Geodesic 26-Sep-21 06:42 PM
It's confusing
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Coupon13 26-Sep-21 06:42 PM
@A Thorny Crown you said Son of Man btw
Was that intentional?
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 06:42 PM
Because if that is true, why is he the son of man
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Geodesic 26-Sep-21 06:42 PM
After he was resurrected
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 06:42 PM
Yes he died, you believe in his death as a human
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Geodesic 26-Sep-21 06:42 PM
A few years he died
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 06:42 PM
And resurrection as a soul
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Geodesic 26-Sep-21 06:43 PM
So God resurrected himself
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Coupon13 26-Sep-21 06:43 PM
so how he is the son of man, he's the son of himself?
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 06:43 PM
Witnessed by 500 humans yes.. can you name one of them?
Okay no that's a big ask
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Geodesic 26-Sep-21 06:43 PM
What a nice way to make a statement
"you Muslims"
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 06:43 PM
Can you name who wrote the first Gospel (Mark)?
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Geodesic 26-Sep-21 06:43 PM
Seems like you're here to make a scene
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 06:43 PM
By mention of who? Who narrated that?
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Geodesic 26-Sep-21 06:44 PM
Not to prove something
And me?
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Not to prove something
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 06:44 PM
They asked their question, now I am questioning
Just let them talk please
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Coupon13 26-Sep-21 06:44 PM
@A Thorny Crown you do realise there's no doubt of the Prophet Muhammed PBUH existence right (edited)
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Geodesic 26-Sep-21 06:44 PM
How am I offensive lol
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How am I offensive lol
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very chill 26-Sep-21 06:44 PM
shhhhh
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Geodesic 26-Sep-21 06:44 PM
So me saying something is now offensive
Ok ok
Sorry my brothers
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Coupon13 26-Sep-21 06:44 PM
Your trying to deny he existed
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Geodesic 26-Sep-21 06:45 PM
Lol ok
Answer their question
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Can you name who wrote the first Gospel (Mark)?
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 06:45 PM
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Coupon13 26-Sep-21 06:45 PM
Prophet Muhammed pbuh existed
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 06:45 PM
Wrong answer, try again
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Coupon13 26-Sep-21 06:45 PM
Ok
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Wrong answer, try again
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Geodesic 26-Sep-21 06:45 PM
Lol
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 06:45 PM
No it is not, no
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Nooraana 26-Sep-21 06:45 PM
No Christian scholar believes Mark wrote the gospel
No one knows who wrote them
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 06:46 PM
I will be citing some Christian scholar evidence
Now please
PLEASE
Tell me who wrote the Gospel
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Coupon13 26-Sep-21 06:46 PM
lel
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Geodesic 26-Sep-21 06:46 PM
Guys stop typing wait
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 06:46 PM
of Mark or Matthew or Luke or John
Just ONE NAME
And I'll cut it short for you: you can't
The writers of the Gospels are unknown and the time they were written in is based on speculation and archaeological findings that are going against the writings
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 06:47 PM
To teach you
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very chill 26-Sep-21 06:47 PM
this is a muslim server tho
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Geodesic 26-Sep-21 06:47 PM
^
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 06:47 PM
Now you could literally go to wikipedia and find that wikipedia (basic source that isn't too deep) telling you the authority of the Bible, minus most of the Pauline epistles, is unknown
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 06:48 PM
Yes that I am doing, I am just having a friendly debate
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 06:48 PM
I don't want an answer of mine or yours, but the objective truth
Saint Mark died 62-68 AD while the Gospel was written 70 AD
According to a huge Russian Orthodox scholar and Bart Ehrman, the writers of the Gospels, whoever they are, never guessed their books were going to be considered holy one day
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Coupon13 26-Sep-21 06:49 PM
genuine question for Christian @A Thorny Crown: who wrote deutoronomy
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 06:49 PM
And other writers such as the writer of the Gospel of Thomas (which was rejected and burnt in the 1st Council of Nicaea) never guessed so either
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genuine question for Christian @A Thorny Crown: who wrote deutoronomy
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 06:50 PM
Unknown
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Coupon13 26-Sep-21 06:50 PM
Oh
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 06:50 PM
I stated their authority is unknown
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very chill 26-Sep-21 06:50 PM
humans are humans, he wasnt perfect, he will come again InShaaAllah
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 06:50 PM
I never said anything about twists or corruption
No no no don't worry we come to Islam later
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Coupon13 26-Sep-21 06:50 PM
How's he a failure?
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No no no don't worry we come to Islam later
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very chill 26-Sep-21 06:50 PM
yes
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Coupon13 26-Sep-21 06:50 PM
The Jews killed many Prophets
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 06:50 PM
Yes, very soon, now explain yourself before you not knowing who wrote your unholy books
How could you possibly
Attribute a book to God
When you do not know to who you attribute its authority?
I never did I didn't insult your book
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Coupon13 26-Sep-21 06:51 PM
Don't insult them @Bashem Pen Amoon
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 06:51 PM
I meant unholy as in "Not from God"
Excuse me that is the wrong word
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very chill 26-Sep-21 06:52 PM
based
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 06:52 PM
I meant "Undivine authority" maybe, thank you for understanding
Now, how?
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very chill 26-Sep-21 06:52 PM
based is good
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Coupon13 26-Sep-21 06:52 PM
It means good
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 06:52 PM
No, they appreciate your forgiveness @A Thorny Crown
Forget it
No it didn't!
It said refer to THE Injeel of Jesus (edited)
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Nooraana 26-Sep-21 06:53 PM
Lmaooo Christian tries to tell us what the Quran says
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 06:53 PM
And it said refer to THE TORAH of Musa, revealed unto them by Allah
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Nooraana 26-Sep-21 06:53 PM
No one has the Injeel, the gospels are not the Injeel
The Torah was completely lost during the Exodus
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Coupon13 26-Sep-21 06:54 PM
Sorry
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 06:54 PM
And we memorize the Quran!
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The Torah was completely lost during the Exodus
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 06:54 PM
No no wait
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Click to see attachment 🖼️
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very chill 26-Sep-21 06:54 PM
LOL WAT
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 06:54 PM
The Torah was lost from the Jews brfore the Babylonian captivity
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Coupon13 26-Sep-21 06:54 PM
Understanding was carried through hadiths
Ibn Abbas as an example
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The Torah was lost from the Jews brfore the Babylonian captivity
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Nooraana 26-Sep-21 06:54 PM
Dang even worse
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Coupon13 26-Sep-21 06:54 PM
Rigourous authentication
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 06:54 PM
In which they lost their Torah of Moses and was later (around 8-5 B.C.E.) written by: unknown
With unknown references (edited)
Saying that the Torah of today is the Torah of Musa (Moses) is by all means wrong
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Coupon13 26-Sep-21 06:55 PM
Nope
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 06:56 PM
Saying that the Gospel of Mark of today is the Gospel of Mark written originally by (unknown) is false
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Coupon13 26-Sep-21 06:56 PM
The Bible has been changed
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 06:56 PM
Because manuscripts are far too new, and archaeologicsl findings have proven the original writings were lost
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Coupon13 26-Sep-21 06:56 PM
Bruh
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very chill 26-Sep-21 06:56 PM
beliefs.
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 06:56 PM
What do you know of the book of Jasher?
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beliefs.
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Coupon13 26-Sep-21 06:57 PM
Yes, but its also a well known fact
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Because manuscripts are far too new, and archaeologicsl findings have proven the original writings were lost
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 06:57 PM
Table I gives an overview of the periods and dates ascribed to the various books of the Bible. Tables II, III and IV outline the conclusions of the majority of contemporary scholars on the composition of the Hebrew Bible and the Protestant Old Testament, the deuterocanonical works (also called the Apocrypha), and the New Testament. Some books ar...
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What do you know of the book of Jasher?
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 06:57 PM
@A Thorny Crown
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Yes, but its also a well known fact
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very chill 26-Sep-21 06:57 PM
ik
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The Bible has been changed
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 06:58 PM
An Historical Account of Two Notable Corruptions of Scripture is a dissertation by the English mathematician and scholar Isaac Newton. This was sent in a letter to John Locke on 14 November 1690 and built upon the textual work of Richard Simon and his own research. The text was first published in English in 1754, 27 years after his death. The ac...
Okay so I will tell you what the book of Jasher is
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Coupon13 26-Sep-21 06:58 PM
lel
I'm curious
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Okay so I will tell you what the book of Jasher is
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very chill 26-Sep-21 06:58 PM
👂
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 06:59 PM
Jasher is a prophet, whose book was lost, and was referenced by Joshua 10:13
The book of Jasher is proof of the authenticity of the prophet Muhammad, not because of its content no just wait
Because SOMEONE in Norway or Sweden I don't remember, wrote a pseudograph that called it the book of Jasher (he wrote a book of the Bible, easily and successfully)
And what does God's word here mean?
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 07:00 PM
Read the entire conversation above.
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Coupon13 26-Sep-21 07:00 PM
Full context
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Coupon13 26-Sep-21 07:00 PM
Because its not authentic
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And what does God's word here mean?
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 07:00 PM
Reconcile this verse with the verse in 15:9
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Nooraana 26-Sep-21 07:01 PM
We don’t get our beliefs from English translations
What you posted isn’t the Quran, it’s someone’s own writing in English
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 07:01 PM
Also reconcile the verses you just sent with 2:79
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 07:01 PM
Quit moving the goal post
The goal here: Proving that the Bible is unsure of itself
Despite you deviating I have answered you with legitimate scholarly facts
And who said God will preserve the Bible?
Or even the Torah?
Or Injeel?
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 07:03 PM
If you read the Quran and the story of Jeremiah you would know!
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Coupon13 26-Sep-21 07:03 PM
5:68 Say, ˹O Prophet,˺ “O People of the Book! You have nothing to stand on unless you observe the Torah, the Gospel, and what has been revealed to you from your Lord.” And your Lord’s revelation to you ˹O Prophet˺ will only cause many of them to increase in wickedness and disbelief. So do not grieve for the people who disbelieve.
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very chill 26-Sep-21 07:03 PM
i gotta call mufti menk
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Nooraana 26-Sep-21 07:03 PM
I’m not, the Arabic Quran is not the English translation. Scholars use the Arabic not the English
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 07:03 PM
Because Allah gave the restoration and preservation to the Jews and they lost it!
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Coupon13 26-Sep-21 07:03 PM
@A Thorny Crown so why did you post the wrong verse?
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 07:03 PM
Please stop typing@very chill @Coupon13
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 07:04 PM
Quran 5:44 62:5
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Coupon13 26-Sep-21 07:04 PM
Use the bot@Bashem Pen Amoon
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 07:04 PM
This is irrelevant to the conversation, and you are forcing unto God what He never pledged oath to do
-Quran 5:44
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Author icon Surah Al-Maaida (The Table)
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We revealed the Torah with guidance and light, and the prophets, who had submitted to God, judged according to it for the Jews. So did the rabbis and the scholars in accordance with that part of God’s Scripture which they were entrusted to preserve, and to which they were witnesses. So [rabbis and scholars] do not fear people, fear Me; do not barter away My messages for a small price; those who do not judge according to what God has sent down are rejecting [God’s teachings].
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 07:04 PM
-Quran 62:5
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Author icon Surah Al-Jumu'a (Friday)
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Those who have been charged to obey the Torah, but do not do so, are like asses carrying books: how base such people are who disobey God’s revelations! God does not guide people who do wrong.
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 07:05 PM
Read the verses above
So you can clearly see God almighty saying that they were supposed to preserve the Torah and Injeel, and they didn't
What do you argue in, or even think possible?
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 07:06 PM
This is addressing the Jews
Because the Torah was abrogated either way
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Coupon13 26-Sep-21 07:07 PM
-Quran 5:68
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Author icon Surah Al-Maaida (The Table)
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Say, ‘People of the Book, you have no true basis [for your religion] unless you uphold the Torah, the Gospel, and that which has been sent down to you from your Lord,’ but what has been sent down to you [Prophet] from your Lord is sure to increase many of them in their insolence and defiance: do not worry about those who defy [God].
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 07:07 PM
This verse does not contradict anything I sent before but rather affirms that God's orders and actions are incorruptable
This verse, while addressing something very different, does not speak of the Torah and Injeel's preservation
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Coupon13 26-Sep-21 07:08 PM
Are you pasting of a Christian website or something?
It's not even the same verse
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 07:08 PM
Either you never read what I copied or you don't understand
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Coupon13 26-Sep-21 07:08 PM
What😂
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 07:09 PM
I am telling you that going back we get to the point I have just showed you
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Coupon13 26-Sep-21 07:09 PM
Ok first tell me what verse it is and we can look at it
@A Thorny Crown
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 07:09 PM
Where is the word Torah and Injeel in this verse though?
What?!
Are you
This is speaking of the Quran and speaking of God's laws in His creation
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Coupon13 26-Sep-21 07:10 PM
Torah and Gospel were once the Book of God
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 07:10 PM
Yes and we believe they were abrogated
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Coupon13 26-Sep-21 07:10 PM
Thats not even the correct reference!
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 07:10 PM
And if we go with the Almighty's orders and follow the Torah of Moses and Injeel of 'Isa we will find prophet Muhammad, is he there in your book?
You are shutting your eyes and your ears and saying the same thing
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Coupon13 26-Sep-21 07:10 PM
Your quoting Surah 5:68
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 07:10 PM
You are legitimately in denial
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Coupon13 26-Sep-21 07:11 PM
-Quran 5:68
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Author icon Surah Al-Maaida (The Table)
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Say, ‘People of the Book, you have no true basis [for your religion] unless you uphold the Torah, the Gospel, and that which has been sent down to you from your Lord,’ but what has been sent down to you [Prophet] from your Lord is sure to increase many of them in their insolence and defiance: do not worry about those who defy [God].
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 07:11 PM
Because they were altered, as the Quran said
This is the 4th time you agree with me 😂
(He is mentioned by the way, but it was still corrupted)
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Coupon13 26-Sep-21 07:11 PM
Hey man arent you supposed to be peaceful? (edited)
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 07:11 PM
A MESSIAH was mentioned, but not Jesus Christ
Also also
Muhammad is in the Torah
By name
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Coupon13 26-Sep-21 07:12 PM
^
Doesn't seem so peaceful to me
Lol
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 07:12 PM
You are peacefully copy pasting
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very chill 26-Sep-21 07:12 PM
where
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 07:12 PM
But wait
Let me do my copy paste
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Coupon13 26-Sep-21 07:12 PM
Your quoting THE WRONG VERSE
Pbu them all
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 07:13 PM
"Allah subhanahu wa taala in the third chapter of the first book of the torah "As for Ishmael, I have heard you; I will bless him and make him fruitful and exceedingly numerous; he shall be the father of twelve princes, and I will make him a great nation." (he is talking about Genesis 17:20 just that he had a different manuscript to reference)" "The word used for "multiply exceedingly" here is (transliterated from Hebrew) "Bimadmad" which in gematria is equal to ninety two (92) which is the exact gematria value for the name "Muhammad" in Hebrew peace and blessings be upon him" "The reason they hid that behind the gematria value, was because the clear statement would have made this important revelation a goal for corruption by the Jews, to be taken out or swapped or erased entirely like they have done in other revelations!" "And if the Jews were to try and respond by saying "But in the torah there are words that mean 'Zaid' and 'Amr' and 'Khaled' and they do not necessarily mean those names because they aren't prophets hence the verse above doesn't mention the prophet, we simply respond that there was no other tribe promised a great special blessing like Ishmael was promised, the tribes of Zaid Amr and Khaled are simply not promised anything!" "We must also point out, that the word "bimadmad" (very very much in English) is an exaggeration by God almighty, thus it has no equal in the rest of the torah. And if this verse, the verse with a great oath towards Ishmael and his sons, and this word was more exaggerated and glorified than anything else, there is no question behind the wonder that this refers to the greatest of Ishmael's sons, peace and blessings be upon him and his fellows. Now that we have demonstrated that there is no words equal to this word, the Jews' false rebuttals cannot stand before us."
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"Allah subhanahu wa taala in the third chapter of the first book of the torah "As for Ishmael, I have heard you; I will bless him and make him fruitful and exceedingly numerous; he shall be the father of twelve princes, and I will make him a great nation." (he is talking about Genesis 17:20 just that he had a different manuscript to reference)" "The word used for "multiply exceedingly" here is (transliterated from Hebrew) "Bimadmad" which in gematria is equal to ninety two (92) which is the exact gematria value for the name "Muhammad" in Hebrew peace and blessings be upon him" "The reason they hid that behind the gematria value, was because the clear statement would have made this important revelation a goal for corruption by the Jews, to be taken out or swapped or erased entirely like they have done in other revelations!" "And if the Jews were to try and respond by saying "But in the torah there are words that mean 'Zaid' and 'Amr' and 'Khaled' and they do not necessarily mean those names because they aren't prophets hence the verse above doesn't mention the prophet, we simply respond that there was no other tribe promised a great special blessing like Ishmael was promised, the tribes of Zaid Amr and Khaled are simply not promised anything!" "We must also point out, that the word "bimadmad" (very very much in English) is an exaggeration by God almighty, thus it has no equal in the rest of the torah. And if this verse, the verse with a great oath towards Ishmael and his sons, and this word was more exaggerated and glorified than anything else, there is no question behind the wonder that this refers to the greatest of Ishmael's sons, peace and blessings be upon him and his fellows. Now that we have demonstrated that there is no words equal to this word, the Jews' false rebuttals cannot stand before us."
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very chill 26-Sep-21 07:13 PM
long text time
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"Allah subhanahu wa taala in the third chapter of the first book of the torah "As for Ishmael, I have heard you; I will bless him and make him fruitful and exceedingly numerous; he shall be the father of twelve princes, and I will make him a great nation." (he is talking about Genesis 17:20 just that he had a different manuscript to reference)" "The word used for "multiply exceedingly" here is (transliterated from Hebrew) "Bimadmad" which in gematria is equal to ninety two (92) which is the exact gematria value for the name "Muhammad" in Hebrew peace and blessings be upon him" "The reason they hid that behind the gematria value, was because the clear statement would have made this important revelation a goal for corruption by the Jews, to be taken out or swapped or erased entirely like they have done in other revelations!" "And if the Jews were to try and respond by saying "But in the torah there are words that mean 'Zaid' and 'Amr' and 'Khaled' and they do not necessarily mean those names because they aren't prophets hence the verse above doesn't mention the prophet, we simply respond that there was no other tribe promised a great special blessing like Ishmael was promised, the tribes of Zaid Amr and Khaled are simply not promised anything!" "We must also point out, that the word "bimadmad" (very very much in English) is an exaggeration by God almighty, thus it has no equal in the rest of the torah. And if this verse, the verse with a great oath towards Ishmael and his sons, and this word was more exaggerated and glorified than anything else, there is no question behind the wonder that this refers to the greatest of Ishmael's sons, peace and blessings be upon him and his fellows. Now that we have demonstrated that there is no words equal to this word, the Jews' false rebuttals cannot stand before us."
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 07:13 PM
"Debunking of the Jews" by Samue'el Al Maghrebi, a Jewish revert
Read it all
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Coupon13 26-Sep-21 07:13 PM
Key words😂
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very chill 26-Sep-21 07:13 PM
key words
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 07:13 PM
I won't give you keywords when you were refusing to listen to MY EXPLANATION of MY BOOK
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Coupon13 26-Sep-21 07:14 PM
Because read it dont be lazy, no wonder your quoting the wrong verses
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 07:14 PM
I am not refusing it, just read what I posted
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Coupon13 26-Sep-21 07:14 PM
-Quran 6:58 (edited)
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very chill 26-Sep-21 07:14 PM
-Quran 6:58
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Author icon Surah Al-An'aam (The Cattle)
6:58
Say, ‘If what you seek to hasten were within my power, the matter would be settled between you and me, but God knows best who does wrong.’
Author icon Surah Al-Maaida (The Table)
5:68
Say, ‘People of the Book, you have no true basis [for your religion] unless you uphold the Torah, the Gospel, and that which has been sent down to you from your Lord,’ but what has been sent down to you [Prophet] from your Lord is sure to increase many of them in their insolence and defiance: do not worry about those who defy [God].
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Coupon13 26-Sep-21 07:14 PM
Yes
Are they the same?
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 07:15 PM
You are not reading what I sent and you are repeating what you have been rebutted in, I will not continue this conversation
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Coupon13 26-Sep-21 07:15 PM
Hiw
How*
?
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𝙲𝚑𝚊𝚛𝚖 26-Sep-21 07:15 PM
Why does he keep saying the same things
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Coupon13 26-Sep-21 07:15 PM
Because he copied and paste it and doesn't know anything else
Its even the wrong verse
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𝙲𝚑𝚊𝚛𝚖 26-Sep-21 07:16 PM
Lol
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very chill 26-Sep-21 07:16 PM
ru saying u witnessed it
IM ONLY KIDDING, CHILL 😂
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Coupon13 26-Sep-21 07:17 PM
I believe in Jesus PBUH hes the messenger of God
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𝙲𝚑𝚊𝚛𝚖 26-Sep-21 07:17 PM
So are you christian?
I joined mid debate...sorry
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Coupon13 26-Sep-21 07:17 PM
Lol
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So are you christian?
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very chill 26-Sep-21 07:17 PM
his/her bio says it all
ゆfish
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Coupon13 26-Sep-21 07:17 PM
Sure...
Not really
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 07:18 PM
-Quran 8:22-24
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IslamBot BOT 26-Sep-21 07:18 PM
Author icon Surah Al-Anfaal (The Spoils of War)
8:22
the worst creatures in God’s eyes are those who are [wilfully] deaf and dumb, who do not reason.
8:23
If God had known there was any good in them, He would have made them hear, but even if He had, they would still have turned away and taken no notice.
8:24
Believers, respond to God and His Messenger when he calls you to that which gives you life. Know that God comes between a man and his heart, and that you will be gathered to Him.
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Coupon13 26-Sep-21 07:18 PM
How many Surahs in chapter Bakara?
Every Muslim knows this
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 07:18 PM
You have repeated your argument over and over despite you being confuted @A Thorny Crown
How about you pray to God that if I am wrong I am harmed, and if you are wrong you are?
This is in the Quran by the way, Allah is my God and yours
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Coupon13 26-Sep-21 07:19 PM
...
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 07:19 PM
Just that you blaspheme in His name and lie about Him (edited)
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Coupon13 26-Sep-21 07:19 PM
🤣🤣
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very chill 26-Sep-21 07:19 PM
...
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Coupon13 26-Sep-21 07:19 PM
LOL GOTCHA
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𝙲𝚑𝚊𝚛𝚖 26-Sep-21 07:20 PM
Christians dont know what they believe and honestly I believe that people are christian because its easier... all they really have to do is "accept jesus into their heart"
At least thats all they preach lol
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 07:20 PM
He is our God, and in the Aramaic translation of the Gospel it is said that "Alloh" is the name of God
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Christians dont know what they believe and honestly I believe that people are christian because its easier... all they really have to do is "accept jesus into their heart"
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 07:20 PM
Fact
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𝙲𝚑𝚊𝚛𝚖 26-Sep-21 07:20 PM
No, not true
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 07:20 PM
No, just that you and the Jews insult Him
Hey hey let's just right now pray that whoever is wrong may be harmed severely @A Thorny Crown
As the Quran said
-Quran 3:61
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IslamBot BOT 26-Sep-21 07:21 PM
Author icon Surah Aal-i-Imraan (The Family of Imraan)
3:61
If anyone disputes this with you now that you have been given this knowledge, say, ‘Come, let us gather our sons and your sons, our women and your women, ourselves and yourselves, and let us pray earnestly and invoke God’s rejection on those of us who are lying.
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 07:21 PM
I will pray to our God and whoever is in the wrong must be stricken down
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very chill 26-Sep-21 07:21 PM
":3"
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𝙲𝚑𝚊𝚛𝚖 26-Sep-21 07:21 PM
FV_fur_bruh
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very chill 26-Sep-21 07:22 PM
furry moment
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 07:22 PM
Good luck @A Thorny Crown
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𝙲𝚑𝚊𝚛𝚖 26-Sep-21 07:22 PM
This is the fourth time youve said that (edited)
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 07:23 PM
I don't need any, thanks, I do not know what will happen to you now or in the hereafter, and false Gods are useless as Isaiah 46 says
LOL
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𝙲𝚑𝚊𝚛𝚖 26-Sep-21 07:23 PM
Beasts💀
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Beasts💀
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very chill 26-Sep-21 07:23 PM
furries unite? 💀
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 07:23 PM
Oh God, creator of the heavens, I ask you to truly send your torment upon he who is wrong and unjust in your name.
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very chill 26-Sep-21 07:23 PM
AMEEN
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 07:24 PM
?
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very chill 26-Sep-21 07:24 PM
you were muslim before, wheres yours?
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𝙲𝚑𝚊𝚛𝚖 26-Sep-21 07:24 PM
Huh?
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 07:24 PM
If I was wrong I will be stricken
Yeah, you are way past 285 verses in Al Baqara
You totally memorize 40 more
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 07:25 PM
Read T Paine's book "Christianity: Religion of the Sword"
T is short for Thomas, by the way
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𝙲𝚑𝚊𝚛𝚖 26-Sep-21 07:25 PM
Doesnt the christian god do that too?
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Doesnt the christian god do that too?
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 07:25 PM
24/7 everyday
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 07:26 PM
Just read it and please pray to God that He strikes down the disbelievers
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very chill 26-Sep-21 07:26 PM
muslim moment
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𝙲𝚑𝚊𝚛𝚖 26-Sep-21 07:26 PM
You dont even know your own religion
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very chill 26-Sep-21 07:26 PM
yes Allah is great
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 07:27 PM
Why not?
We are the enemies of the Lord you say?
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 07:27 PM
Read the book of Samuel
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𝙲𝚑𝚊𝚛𝚖 26-Sep-21 07:27 PM
bruhmoment
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 07:27 PM
You seem unsure here, everything okay?
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very chill 26-Sep-21 07:27 PM
istg he trollin 😂
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 07:28 PM
Then ask God to strike down the unjust, the blasphemer
@A Thorny Crown one more insult to Allah or his prophet and you will be banned
You don't love your enemies and if you do you are disobeying Jesus
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very chill 26-Sep-21 07:28 PM
where
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𝙲𝚑𝚊𝚛𝚖 26-Sep-21 07:29 PM
wcdhuh
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 07:29 PM
AND Paul
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very chill 26-Sep-21 07:29 PM
lmk the verse
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 07:29 PM
2 John 1:10
If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take them into your house or welcome them.
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very chill 26-Sep-21 07:30 PM
i think.... he needs surgery
ty
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 07:30 PM
“Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.
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Coupon13 26-Sep-21 07:30 PM
😂
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very chill 26-Sep-21 07:31 PM
he told me not to
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Coupon13 26-Sep-21 07:31 PM
Christians are so violent
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Christians are so violent
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very chill 26-Sep-21 07:31 PM
this
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Coupon13 26-Sep-21 07:31 PM
Remember the crusuades
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 07:31 PM
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
YO
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very chill 26-Sep-21 07:31 PM
Israel
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Coupon13 26-Sep-21 07:31 PM
And kill everyone inside of it too?
Christians lie
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 07:32 PM
Would you mind if I kicked you because you are currently in the 2nd stage of grief?
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Coupon13 26-Sep-21 07:33 PM
What!
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 07:33 PM
Give me your address so I can believe you
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Coupon13 26-Sep-21 07:33 PM
Are you gaslighting me😂
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 07:33 PM
Your family's address
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Give me your address so I can believe you
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very chill 26-Sep-21 07:33 PM
this
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Coupon13 26-Sep-21 07:33 PM
^
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Coupon13 26-Sep-21 07:33 PM
Thats what he said
(Mark)
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 07:33 PM
Come on I'll be there and see how many sunan in ghufran they know
I am not against you I just prayed to God to strike down the disbeliever
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Coupon13 26-Sep-21 07:33 PM
Is this guy a bot😂
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 07:34 PM
I am as just as it gets
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Coupon13 26-Sep-21 07:34 PM
Why are you pasting
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Is this guy a bot😂
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 07:34 PM
I am having doubts
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Is this guy a bot😂
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very chill 26-Sep-21 07:34 PM
CHRIS CHAN HIMSELF
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very chill 26-Sep-21 07:34 PM
Ameen
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Coupon13 26-Sep-21 07:34 PM
Mashallah!
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 07:34 PM
You lost the argument like 30 minutes ago
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Coupon13 26-Sep-21 07:34 PM
Not very peaceful of you@A Thorny Crown
You should be kind
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 07:35 PM
No, because your God's mom was married by 90 year old Joseph at 13
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very chill 26-Sep-21 07:35 PM
so very peaceful @A Thorny Crown
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Coupon13 26-Sep-21 07:35 PM
Not that, but mocking someone's religion
Not very Christian like
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 07:35 PM
"XD"
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very chill 26-Sep-21 07:35 PM
and youre mocking him
"xd"
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Coupon13 26-Sep-21 07:35 PM
Or maybe it is Christian like
I bet youndid
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 07:36 PM
Yeah you passed by one
5 miles near one
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Coupon13 26-Sep-21 07:36 PM
Lol😂
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 07:36 PM
That's incredible
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𝙲𝚑𝚊𝚛𝚖 26-Sep-21 07:36 PM
Imagine going to a place of worship to argue
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Imagine going to a place of worship to argue
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very chill 26-Sep-21 07:36 PM
imagine
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Coupon13 26-Sep-21 07:36 PM
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 07:36 PM
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very chill 26-Sep-21 07:36 PM
SHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
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Coupon13 26-Sep-21 07:36 PM
No
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 07:37 PM
You are not even remotely close to being right
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very chill 26-Sep-21 07:37 PM
aBsoLuTelY rIghT
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 07:37 PM
I am sorry, Jesus is king!
Repent and be saved!
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Coupon13 26-Sep-21 07:37 PM
😆
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Coupon13 26-Sep-21 07:37 PM
Pinned a message.
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 07:37 PM
BAQARAH HAS 3 SURAH
LOL
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very chill 26-Sep-21 07:37 PM
SHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHA
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 07:37 PM
Baqarah has 3 surah
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Coupon13 26-Sep-21 07:37 PM
🤣
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 07:37 PM
And fatiha has 19
What does verse even mean?!
You are lying
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very chill 26-Sep-21 07:38 PM
says the furry
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 07:38 PM
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
"Beasts"
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Nooraana 26-Sep-21 07:38 PM
Omg what has chat descended too
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very chill 26-Sep-21 07:38 PM
mhm
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Omg what has chat descended too
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 07:38 PM
It's too funny not to take it this deep
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Nooraana 26-Sep-21 07:39 PM
😂 1
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Coupon13 26-Sep-21 07:39 PM
Fr leel
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 07:39 PM
Because baqarah has 285 surah
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Click to see attachment 🖼️
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very chill 26-Sep-21 07:39 PM
no more memes
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Because baqarah has 285 surah
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Nooraana 26-Sep-21 07:39 PM
LOL
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Because baqarah has 285 surah
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Coupon13 26-Sep-21 07:39 PM
286*
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Because baqarah has 285 surah
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very chill 26-Sep-21 07:39 PM
WOW
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 07:39 PM
Yes you were confuted, refused to concede, and then started spamming
And most importantly you refused to read what I sent
lol
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Yes you were confuted, refused to concede, and then started spamming
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very chill 26-Sep-21 07:40 PM
peaceful AFFFFFF
this is a muslim server you joined tho
lmao cOinCeDincE"
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Nooraana 26-Sep-21 07:40 PM
Since you came off completely wrong, here’s something that might benefit you https://www.wikihow.life/Be-Friendly
Friendly people are always excited to meet new people and appear approachable to friends and acquaintances. They are the kind of people who can just start chatting to a person on an airplane, in line at the drugstore, or when they're stuck...
😂 1
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very chill 26-Sep-21 07:41 PM
THEN START BEHAVING APPROPRIATELY AROUND THEM (edited)
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very chill 26-Sep-21 07:41 PM
"Allahuakbar"
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very chill 26-Sep-21 07:42 PM
then go to mufti menk or sum lol
theres different types of muslims
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Coupon13 26-Sep-21 07:42 PM
@A Thorny Crown why aren't you muslim
You should become one
😕
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very chill 26-Sep-21 07:43 PM
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Coupon13 26-Sep-21 07:43 PM
Quran.com
Go on it
And read it
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very chill 26-Sep-21 07:44 PM
yes ❤️
thats it
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Coupon13 26-Sep-21 07:44 PM
That's the first step in research though?
But you quote wrong verses
I dotn believe ve you (edited)
I didn't...
I have to pray
Bye
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I have to pray
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very chill 26-Sep-21 07:46 PM
Salaam
take your time
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very chill 26-Sep-21 07:46 PM
.
sounds like you did tho
but they did
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very chill 26-Sep-21 07:47 PM
which, the fake ones?
no i did not
maybe read the quran fr and try to understand it?
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 07:48 PM
Do not speak without knowing
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very chill 26-Sep-21 07:49 PM
not fight
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very chill 26-Sep-21 07:49 PM
yes i am
cope
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 07:49 PM
They spoke less than you but conveyed more
And I told them not to speak and they are too polite to refuse
And when I spoke, I confuted you
Yet here you are biting your tail
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Yet here you are biting your tail
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very chill 26-Sep-21 07:49 PM
literally
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very chill 26-Sep-21 07:49 PM
i can wait
im not as impatient as you lmfao
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im not as impatient as you lmfao
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Bashem Pen Amoon 26-Sep-21 07:50 PM
Also not as dishonest and intellectually impotent
I gratulate you for this :)
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very chill 26-Sep-21 07:56 PM
get nae nae'd
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Nooraana 26-Sep-21 09:07 PM
😭
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very chill 26-Sep-21 09:28 PM
he got nae nae'd
ty
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Coupon13 26-Sep-21 09:30 PM
Pinned a message.
Welcome😁
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Coupon13 08-Oct-21 09:48 PM
Narrated Abu Huraira: I heard the Prophet (ﷺ) saying, "If somebody commits a sin and then says, 'O my Lord! I have sinned, please forgive me!' and his Lord says, 'My slave has known that he has a Lord who forgives sins and punishes for it, I therefore have forgiven my slave (his sins).' Then he remains without committing any sin for a while and then again commits another sin and says, 'O my Lord, I have committed another sin, please forgive me,' and Allah says, 'My slave has known that he has a Lord who forgives sins and punishes for it, I therefore have forgiven my slave (his sin). Then he remains without Committing any another sin for a while and then commits another sin (for the third time) and says, 'O my Lord, I have committed another sin, please forgive me,' and Allah says, 'My slave has known that he has a Lord Who forgives sins and punishes for it I therefore have forgiven My slave (his sin), he can do whatever he likes."
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Coupon13 09-Oct-21 06:08 PM
@Coupon12 still think Allah SWT won't forgive you lol😆
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@Coupon12 still think Allah SWT won't forgive you lol😆
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CamelMan 09-Oct-21 06:16 PM
Why what did they do?
Did they do Zina? Murder?
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Why what did they do?
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Coupon13 09-Oct-21 07:20 PM
Nah lol, coupon always thinks that Allah SWT won't forgive him
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Bashem Pen Amoon 09-Oct-21 07:21 PM
Although I told him over and over, that whoever repents deserves forgiveness and should be hopeful and faithful
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Nah lol, coupon always thinks that Allah SWT won't forgive him
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CamelMan 09-Oct-21 08:12 PM
oh, then they are sinning by thinking that.
Because he is rejecting Allah S.W.T being one of the most merciful
So that just proves how merciful God is
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Coupon13 09-Oct-21 11:42 PM
Anas ibn Malik reported: "The Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him, said to me: 'O boy, if you are able to remove every morning and evening any rancor from your heart toward anyone, then do so.' Then the Prophet said to me: 'O boy, that is my tradition and whoever revives my tradition, has loved me, and whoever loves me will be with me in Paradise'." (Sunan At-Tirmidhi, 2678)
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