General transgender discussion thread - Take the tranny related debates here.

You cannot convince me that mutilating someone's body and pumping it up with foreign amounts of the opposite sex's sex hormones in service of a sexual delusion that can never be realized for reasons to do with the bulk of their life experience-- in addition to the actual functionality of the results of the SRS/HRT-- will yield a net positive long term result.

It isn't a matter of surveys. It's a matter of common fucking sense.
 
I mean...I will just say the original "study" has one core problem.

ITS A FUCKING SURVEY!!!!

Ignoring how easy it is to manipulate data taken from a survey to get whatever conclusion you want, surveys DONT FUCKING WORK ON THE MENTALLY ILL!!!

Of course they are going to claim they are "better" after the surgery. Their in fucking denial and in too deep to just admit they fucked up without looking like an idiot who wasted thousands of dollars and broke apart their physical and mental integrity to accomplish nothing, or worse admit they made a huge mistake that is killing them.
I disagree. But I do agree on the survey aspect, although then again a true study would probably be just as flawed as it's talking about suicidal ideation and such.
 
If they want to publish a "study" they should probably have like, actual psychiatrists talk to the patients before and after their surgery. To get accurate data for a study like this would be a process of several years. They could probably use some therapy anyway
 
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You cannot convince me that mutilating someone's body and pumping it up with foreign amounts of the opposite sex's sex hormones in service of a sexual delusion that can never be realized for reasons to do with the bulk of their life experience-- in addition to the actual functionality of the results of the SRS/HRT-- will yield a net positive long term result.

It isn't a matter of surveys. It's a matter of common fucking sense.
And just looking at them. Lots of people are in denial about how happy they are when they’re extremely miserable
 
And just looking at them. Lots of people are in denial about how happy they are when they’re extremely miserable
Because they have to be happy with what they chose to undergo. Because if they're not happy, then they destroyed their bodies for nothing.

Not only that, but they're incessantly love-bombed by a community that'll validate their decision, which they likely all but coerced them into since they'll also shun them if they start committing to their second thoughts.
 
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And just looking at them. Lots of people are in denial about how happy they are when they’re extremely miserable
They're very good at pretending to be happy, though. They're quite similar to alcoholics or junkies who look like they're having the time of their lives while drunk or high, but we all know they just act the part.
 
The two groups are so radically different that we really cannot assume that the multivariate analyses carried out allow us to conclude that differences in psychopathology are likely the result of surgical intervention.
So this exists solely to justify pro-troon headlines.
 
Anybody see this?


The UK of all places.
I'm pretty sure that as they went full troon earlier than anyone else, they also hit peak trans sooner. Is Cuck Island getting better? (Gimme dem rainbows.)
 
I also shared this in Sideshows;

I just listened to Women's Hour and Kathleen Stock was refreshingly mature compared to the discourse we see in this thread every day. Effectively she doesn't really blame the students all that much, because her colleagues - that the students look up to as role models - were telling them that she was hurting trans people with her rhetoric. Multiple colleagues said she was awful in lectures and tweeted out vitriol about her (which is still up). She also brings up an interesting point about Stonewall

It's more than about me, there's a wider societal context that's emerged, partially through academics and partially through lobbying groups like Stonewall, that trans students (and trans people more generally) are THE most vulnerable group in the UK and that - moreover - the only way to protect them is to affirm any claim they make about their own identity and that any dissent from that must be transphobia, must be transphobic, shouldn't be debated, #NoDebate. That comes from Stonewall. And Stonewall is embedded into my university - my former university - if you look at their website, they've said that they want to be a workplace equality index top 100 employer by 2025, they've made that part of their strategy, and they do all the things that Stonewall ask them to do in order to get there.

Now students who are idealistic and passionate and - probably going through quite a hard time, many of them - have accepted this, you know, why wouldn't they? Their elders have accepted this too, apparently, and that's part of the context. Therefore my pretty moderate book and my pretty moderate views, which always insist on affirming legal protections for trans people and that they absolutely be free of any kind of discrimination or violence, you know those views are just presented as totally heretical, unacceptable and therefore I must be evil. It's literally that kind of extreme.

Sure enough, if you check the University of Sussex's website you'll see they joined the Diversity Champions programme in 2018. The BBC reached out to Stonewall for comment on Kathleen Stock and got this reply;

Stonewall is proud to fight for a world where lesbian, gay, bi, trans and queer people are free to be themselves, wherever they are. Our industry leading Diversity Champions scheme continues to grow; we work with more than 900 organisations to create working environments in which LGBTQ+ people can thrive. We believe LGBTQ+ inclusion makes workplaces safer for everyone. Stonewall is not currently campaigning for any changes to the Equality Act 2010 or the accompanying statutory codes of practice.

Now there's an interesting tit-bit here - Stonewall actually aren't campaigning for changes to the Equality Act 2010 or statutory codes of practice, exactly. There's three reasons for this;
  • The Government established a while ago, in response to a petition relating to a consultation on the Gender Recognition Act 2004, that "providers may exclude trans people from facilities of the sex they identify with, provided it is a proportionate means of meeting a legitimate aim". Essentially since you can have women's only services, it's symmetrical to have a females only service as well, if it's for something like PTSD counselling or a rape shelter (and you can even discriminate further based on if they've had surgery). Stonewall has repeatedly misrepresented this, claiming the exemptions are highly limited and basically only apply if the trans person is being discriminated against to protect them from something - they don't need to change the Equality Act 2010 if they can just lie about what the Equality Act 2010 actually says. However they've started getting caught out for doing this, with it being labelled "Stonewall giving out advice based on what they'd like the law to say rather than what the law actually says".

  • Most of the focus has been on the Gender Recognition Act 2004. They failed to achieve their goals (this is what PhilosophyTube spergs about) wherein you could have your legal sex changed because you decided to - the government kept it so you have to live in your gender for two years and there needs to be a diagnosis of gender dysphoria (or alternatively you've had the surgery). Getting a Gender Recognition Certificate makes it changes your legal sex, so "a trans person is protected from sex discrimination on the basis of their legal sex. This means that a trans woman who does not hold a GRC and is therefore legally male would be treated as male for the purposes of the sex discrimination provisions, and a trans woman with a GRC would be treated as female. The sex discrimination exceptions in the Equality Act therefore apply differently to a trans person with a GRC or without a GRC" and makes it "illegal for representatives of public bodies, services, businesses or employers to share your previous name, gender history or trans identity without your consent". In other words, they'd have no reason to try and change the Equality Act 2010 if you could just go get a gender recognition certificate, be counted as that sex for "same sex exemptions" and can get people arrested for disclosing that you're a man with a bit of paper.

  • They don't need to target the statutory minimum requirements for workplaces because they'd captured most of the public sector in their diversity champions scheme - so they could make the public sector go above and beyond those requirements. It's literally just come out that the Department for Health found out that a lot of NHS trusts had written into policy that single sex wards were not allowed, only single gender wards - the Department for Health has since left Stonewall's Diversity Champions Scheme.
Basically it's one of those cases where technically Stonewall wasn't trying to change the Equality Act 2010's single sex exemptions, because they were lying about what those exemptions are and then trying to undermine them through other routes.
 
Trannies are just the new generation of sexual predators, but with the added twist that we're not allowed to try to stay safe from them, to try to defend ourselves from them or to speak out against them when they do harm. I'm legit scared to use public bathrooms that aren't those one toilet, one room deals. Many of us feel that way and no longer use locker rooms or any other previously XX-only spaces meant to keep us safely separate. Trannies are the #1 reason why my husband got me a concealable handgun and why I have multiple carry-knives to pick from depending on what clothes I'm wearing out that day. There's so much more shit that I've got no business getting into here or that I've already posted about over my time here.

Their sexual predation isn't the only way they take away our rights, not by a fucking long shot. Remember when women could play sports competitively? Remember when we could have our own groups IRL, online, etc? Remember when we could talk about our pregnancies without getting screamed at for being transphobic because we have the audacity to talk about the fact that we have female parts and functions? Remember when it was considered horrifying for a man to hit a woman because people knew that they are just biologically stronger than us?

I deserve tophats for this post because trannies make me fucking angry over how they impact my life and the lives of all other women in the west. I wish they'd all get dumped into the Middle East and stay there.
 
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