General Discussion for Virtual Youtubers / Vtubers / Chuubas - it's okay to be a simp for 2D, just don't thirstpost.

[Just pretending]

I am still on the opinion that the only way Holostars to blew up is by debuting a new gen and Cover used all its brand power to hype it, like they did Council and HoloX

And that gen should be named holostarsEN

 

[Scuttle]

And that gen should be named holostarsEN

HolostarsEN would come at the cost of HolostarsJP. The wave the JP branch is riding is comprised of EOPs who

A) Wanted male V-Tubers
AND/OR
B) Only know or are willing to watch 'Holo' members.

If you offer those same EOPs an EN branch then they'll likely just move to the people they can understand, and suddenly the 'Main' branch is playing second fiddle after 1-2 years of loyalty and getting the short end of the PR stick. There's a clip of Astel talking about it and you can kind of hear in his voice that he probably isn't prepared for an EN branch to exist and Thanos snap the one little bit of luck they got last year.

 

[Diya]

The stream start and the prof is unexpectedly cordial and receptive. Then she suddenly mention Kiryu Coco lmao. Not that she refer to Kson as Coco, but it does give chat a bit of panic. Wonder if Cover will consider this a break in NDA (probably not).

Edit : Stream end. It turn out to be more like Kson calling the professor to address the public worry caused by Twitch Thot who begging/threaten chat for money or those person that "I DONATE X AMOUNT TO MAKE STREAMER DO X!!!". So I guess in a way it's a move in the direction of shifting public opinion about superchat/streaming. Still, overall a unique and interesting stream, if not particularly note-worthy.

 

[SmugPeko]

I am still on the opinion that the only way Holostars to blew up is by debuting a new gen and Cover used all its brand power to hype it, like they did Council and HoloX

Am i the only one that think that new holostar wouldn't blew up? Their brand is not that huge imo. Also holostar themselves don't want to have new gen yet.

 

[Just pretending]

HolostarsEN would come at the cost of HolostarsJP. The wave the JP branch is riding is comprised of EOPs who

A) Wanted male V-Tubers
AND/OR
B) Only know or are willing to watch 'Holo' members.

If you offer those same EOPs an EN branch then they'll likely just move to the people they can understand, and suddenly the 'Main' branch is playing second fiddle after 1-2 years of loyalty and getting the short end of the PR stick. There's a clip of Astel talking about it and you can kind of hear in his voice that he probably isn't prepared for an EN branch to exist and Thanos snap the one little bit of luck they got last year.

I understand they might be afraid of getting pushed back, but it's not a certainty; Towa still has tons of western fans even after Hololive debuted two and half english generations, not counting ID.

 

[grenskul]

I think the barrier for "being a successful streamer/vtuber" is kinda being lowered here a shit ton. Like if they aren't making more than your average IT guy they are not successful (100k to 150k a year).

inb4 ho but they can live off of it. Yea so can a janitor making 10k a year in bumfuck nowhere and nobody would call that successful .

 

[FlappyBat]

I think the barrier for "being a successful streamer/vtuber" is kinda being lowered here a shit ton. Like if they aren't making more than your average IT guy they are not successful (100k to 150k a year).

inb4 ho but they can live off of it. Yea so can a janitor making 10k a year in bumfuck nowhere and nobody would call that successful .

You're saying people who are in the top 0.1% of v-tubers aren't successful because they're not in the top 0.01%. Being able to live off what you make as a streamer is miles more success than almost anyone who gives it a shot makes.

 

[Hmmpf!]

Come to think of it, if you can just focus on her head + neck and ignore her eyelashes, Takane looks rather masculine. Just two cents.

30 minutes left.

 

[ChefKiss]

The only way holostars gets big is if you get pro gamers and that might be tough because pro gamers are perfectly successful on their own
several of the top male vtubers are just APEX autists
I think something like a fighting games gen with all their designs being fighting game character styled might do more for them, at least in the west
also feels like one of the most popular genres for viewing that they rarely touch outside of the occasional game of smash

 

[Avokado]

Then she suddenly mention Kiryu Coco lmao. Not that she refer to Kson as Coco, but it does give chat a bit of panic. Wonder if Cover will consider this a break in NDA (probably not).

Incoming clips.

Are there any drama seeking clippers that regularly clips Kson?

 

[grenskul]

You're saying people who are in the top 0.1% of v-tubers aren't successful because they're not in the top 0.01%. Being able to live off what you make as a streamer is miles more success than almost anyone who gives it a shot makes.

Yes like most hobbys (or things that start as hobbys) over 99% of people wouldn't be able to live off of them. Who knew ? Making a hobby into a successful carrear is reserved for the 0.0001% who knew? Obvious take if you aren't making above regular job money you aren't really successful and might as well be working behind a desk (in case it's not your passion , more power to you if it is but I'd rather retire by 40).

 

[Scuttle]

I think the barrier for "being a successful streamer/vtuber" is kinda being lowered here a shit ton. Like if they aren't making more than your average IT guy they are not successful (100k to 150k a year).

inb4 ho but they can live off of it. Yea so can a janitor making 10k a year in bumfuck nowhere and nobody would call that successful .

Success is relative to an individual. I don't think Hana Macchia is worrying about what grenskul on KF thinks of her financial situation if she herself is happy doing what she's doing, can eat, has a roof over her head etc. Some people would be perfectly fine earning minimum wage if it meant their full-time job was playing their favourite video games and meeting new people.

On the contrary, creating a hard, objective baseline of what 'success' is, and using Hololive as that baseline means that anyone who isn't pulling avg Hololive number is a failure, which is the single most anti-consumer, monopolistic mindset imaginable for an industry that began 3 years ago.

I understand they might be afraid of getting pushed back, but it's not a certainty; Towa still has tons of western fans even after Hololive debuted two and half english generations, not counting ID.

Towa is part of a group that is constantly getting influxes of new fans, and her history of getting suspended, losing her JP fans, and having to make a comeback is all but forgotten. Now she's just Towa: Apex autist extraordinaire.

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Come to think of it, if you can just focus on her head + neck and ignore her eyelashes, Takane looks rather masculine. Just two cents.

30 minutes left.

The winged hair makes her look like Selen/Elira.

I think something like a fighting games gen with all their designs being fighting game character styled might do more for them, at least in the west

New Holostars gen but all 5 members are piloted by Daigo Umehara.

 

[grenskul]

Success is relative to an individual. I don't think Hana Macchia is worrying about what grenskul on KF thinks of her financial situation if she herself is happy doing what she's doing, can eat, has a roof over her head etc. Some people would be perfectly fine earning minimum wage if it meant their full-time job was playing their favourite video games and meeting new people.

On the contrary, creating a hard, objective baseline of what 'success' is, and using Hololive as that baseline means that anyone who isn't pulling avg Hololive number is a failure, which is the single most anti-consumer, monopolistic mindset imaginable for an industry that began 3 years ago.

Hana Macchia is so mid at her job that she had to hide her dad after he was better at it than her . I think you chose a bad example.

Besides it's not anti-consumer at all. Most vtubers/streamers started it as a hobby . Vtuber is not special , saying it's a 3 year old thing is disingenuous . It's a niche category of streamers (it used to be of youtubers in the kizuna AI days). If nobody made money on it we would still have streamers and considering the success we would still have vtubers too. It's not anti-consumer or monopolistic to compare someone to the biggest IN THEIR NICHE subset of streaming.

 

[Just pretending]

Towa is part of a group that is constantly getting influxes of new fans, and her history of getting suspended, losing her JP fans, and having to make a comeback is all but forgotten. Now she's just Towa: Apex autist extraordinaire.

I'm not saying anything about her suspension, I just stated the facts: people who became her fans in the past, when they had no english-speaking alternative (in hololive) are still there, supporting her, even though they could instead switch to one of 17 english-speaking holos that debuted after her. You say she's in a group "that is constantly getting influxes of new fans" - that is exactly my point, I believe holostarsEN is necessary for hologuys as a whole to become more popular than they are right now.

 

[RedRage]

As a break from all the number/success fagging I offer you Bweh.

 

[Scuttle]

Hana Macchia is so mid at her job that she had to hide her dad after he was better at it than her . I think you chose a bad example.

Besides it's not anti-consumer at all. Most vtubers/streamers started it as a hobby . Vtuber is not special , saying it's a 3 year old thing is disingenuous . It's a niche category of streamers (it used to be of youtubers in the kizuna AI days). If nobody made money on it we would still have streamers and considering the success we would still have vtubers too. It's not anti-consumer or monopolistic to compare someone to the biggest IN THEIR NICHE subset of streaming.

Man there's no point discussing any further. If you'll only watch the most popular ones because everyone else is better off graduating then more power to you lol.

 

[grenskul]

Man there's no point discussing any further. If you'll only watch the most popular ones because everyone else is better off graduating then more power to you lol.

Again what does that have to do with anything ? I just talked about people doing that shit as a hobby even if it didn't make money . Hell I watch walmart pekora from time to time and she isn't there either . It's not like I think they are shit and objectively repulsive , it's a measurement of success . Just because I don't think they are successful doesn't mean I can't watch them or enjoy them.

 

[gregeoryL]

Oh no. Another good loading screen song.

The Streamer that will pierce the heavens!

 

[PassiveUnaggressive]

E: whoops, forgot I have quality set to be lower by default

 

[kukkia]

The only way holostars gets big is if you get pro gamers and that might be tough because pro gamers are perfectly successful on their own
several of the top male vtubers are just APEX autists
I think something like a fighting games gen with all their designs being fighting game character styled might do more for them, at least in the west
also feels like one of the most popular genres for viewing that they rarely touch outside of the occasional game of smash

Pro gamers are unlikely to make the switch because, as you mention, they do fine as is. The only one I can think of who did is Lauren Iroas, who used to be a kinda mid-tier PUBG pro in Japan.

Apex is good for vtubers because Apex is popular enough in Japan to have a sort of semi-competitive scene that brings amateurs and pros together in tournaments such as CR and RIG Cups. Kuzuha and Kanae, to name two of the top male vtubers, are not Apex pros. They'd get rolled by pros in a serious setting. Hell, they aren't even the best Apex players in their own agency. None of the Apex autist vtubers you can think of would make it as pros. They are good enough however to participate in those tournaments, and charismatic enough to make connections with pro players. As the pros themselves have interacted with vtubers, the two communities have become surprisingly close. I mean, we just had tonight a Crab Game collab organized by arguably the best Apex player in Europe that featured mostly vtubers.

Fighting games don't really have that kind of community, at least not to my knowledge. It's hard to imagine the top ranked player in most fighting games doing extensive collabs with a vtuber who just happens to be pretty good at fighting games.