General transgender discussion thread - Take the tranny related debates here.

[Dunkleosteus]

I mean I managed to derail this entire thread and now you're just patting each others backs. Who is coping with what here lmao

Your parents will use your real name when they bury you

 

[AMHOLIO]

@Imperial Priorities Since you said listen to trans people, I'm curious: have you had or plan to have any Gender Affirming Surgery? If so, will you be talking about it? I'd like to hear another perspective if you're willing to talk about it. Surgery IS personal, so I respect if you rather not speak on it.

I have a few less personal questions that apply to the thread in general:

• Do you think any particular doctors have a better technique than the rest?
• What do you think is in store for trans related surgery in the future?
• What do you think of a "pill" option as opposed to a regular surgery for those who can't do surgery or are too squeamish to do so? A pill that would allow your dysphoria to go down so bottom and or top dysphoria would let a person to still live as their preferred/true gender, but without being overwhelmed in their daily lives by thoughts of dysphoria.

 

[TalkinZed]

I feel bad for transgender people like Imperial Priorities. The modern world is complex and you have to pick & choose what you trust coming out of institutions. For instance I am

Pro-vax
Pro-stock market (I think you can set it and forget it for 50 years in the S&P 500 and come out okay. Good luck doing that with crypto or gold or NFTs)
Pro-government stats (I don't think the government is fudging the numbers. 800k Americans died of COVID, 13 do 55, no more and no less)

There are also a lot of official narratives that I oppose or am skeptical of. If your main argument is an appeal to authority then I need to see more. And when it comes to the Transgender Question, I can't unsee the horrors on social media or this thread.

 

[Kosher Dill]

Hey, friend. Here's a study that might help you. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3043071/

This is an excellent study, but I'm astonished that in Sweden researchers can apparently just look up whether you've been in the psych hospital. They claim the data was "analyzed anonymously", but still.

Seems like the peer-reviewed authors aren't too impressed with survey studies either.

Previous clinical studies might have been biased since people who regard their sex reassignment as a failure are more likely to be lost to follow-up. Likewise, it is cumbersome to track deceased persons in clinical follow-up studies.

 

[ArtificialSneeze]

@Imperial Priorities I'm not sure why we're getting into this in the surgery thread, but if you want to nail down many of our beliefs on the subject, it all flows from this single axiom: the concept of Gender Identity is a repugnant notion and it simply does not exist. It is both extremely sexist and wildly incoherent.

Everything logically flows from there:

• "Being transgender" is nothing more than suffering from severe mental illness.
• Transwomen are men and are a threat to women in women only spaces: doubly so given said mental illness.
• The 5000% rise in teen girls ID'ing as boys is clear social contagion amongst girls already at the periphery of their social circles (i.e. girls on the spectrum, are shy, suffer from anxiety, or ADHD).
• Transgender Surgeries are not gender affirming since gender does not exist. Instead, they are horrifying cases of self-rejection and mutilation (hence the rubbernecking of this thread).
• Hormone therapy is equally horrifying in its long term health consequences.
• The doctors participating in this fraud are committing extreme evil.
• Changing pronouns and expecting others to adhere to them forces others to buy into this sexist ideology.

There's more but whatever. The existence of gender identities is a statement of faith and we refuse to play along.

 

[Jolly Copulation]

Love when someone comes in to shit up a thread they don't like, and even admits to not having read it!
If the thread's too long, I highly recommend using the Highlight feature. This will show you (generally) the most interesting/informative/funny posts and saves you a lot of time. This works well for any thread on the Farms.
View attachment 2815054 Just press those << >> arrows to go backward or forward through the thread.

Of course, our troon friend here just wants to dismiss every bad SRS result as "anecdotal" and engage in lame, reddit-tier "debate me, bro!" thread derailment, so whatever.

I agree with all the posters here saying that troon testimony is extremely unreliable. After they get SRS, they're all deep into sunk cost fallacy - it's not like they can take back what they've done, ya know? Transitioning is basically a one-way street after they've been on HRT for awhile and start seeking surgery. And if they complain too much about complications or being unsatisfied with their results, their fellow troons will try to bully and shut them down for raining on their parade. Not to mention their surgeons might ghost them if they complain too much - we've seen countless examples of this!

Brutal honesty and dissent are simply not tolerated. Even slightly questioning the trans orthodoxy is not permitted, as we somewhat recently saw with Dr. Marci Bowers - a famous trans-identified SRS surgeon - who is now derided as a dangerous transphobe for daring to question whether puberty blockers are a good idea. Reddit troons have had this thread about it pinned to the top of the SRS subreddit for over two months now, clearly hoping to "cancel" Bowers for this grave heresy.
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Seriously, just take a look at a site like Transbucket - where users upload pictures of their SRS results and rate their experience. Even if they've clearly been botched, they'll try desperately to sugarcoat it.
Here's a random example, literally the most recently updated submission on Transbucket as I write this:
https://www.transbucket.com/pins/16550
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Rated 5/5 stars for both sensation and satisfaction. Happy customer, right?
But no.
"Would not recommend Dr.Selph to anyone, he doesn't care about your pain, he only cared about himself"
And then she also complains about needing emergency surgery because one of her testicular implants failed or had a problem. Does this sound like a 5/5 result to anyone else?
Even before this complication, she described herself as being in "extreme pain":
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But of course, she's still "very satisfied" with the results! Troons just constantly lie to themselves and others, all in a desperate attempt to convince themselves that they aren't mutilating their body for no good reason.
Keep in mind that this girl was undergoing metoidioplasty + scrotoplasty. As far as SRS goes, this is relatively simple. Phalloplasty and MTF vaginoplasty are much more complex and have higher chances of devastating complications.

Let's take a look at her pictures, shall we?

Spoiler: NSFW

After initial surgery:
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After emergency surgery:
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Keep in mind that this is very tame compared to almost all the other horror shows in this thread, I'm just using it as an example.
This girl rated her SRS results as 5/5 stars while being in extreme pain, experiencing a complication needing further surgery, and disavowing her surgeon. Complete lunacy.
And as you can see for yourself, the surgery has not made her look like a man in any way, LMAO. What is the POINT ???

To sterilize our women and feminize our fighting men. When I consider how self-contradictory the whole orthodoxy is and how easily misinformation is diseminated online, the more this looks like a co-ordinated campaign by rival nations to hobble our fighting capacity. Pushing this self-destructive ideology in western countries while containing and fighting it in theirs.

The fact the majority of troons also end up being hammer and sickle tank fags should also get you thinking. The fact troons support communism when they will be first primo gulag chattel is rich. God damn i don't want to be a conspiracy retard, but China and Russia have much to gain from the proliferation of an ideology that sterilizes girls and feminizes men in the U.S., U.K., and anyone aligned with Democratic interests.

 

[Iron Jaguar]

I mean I managed to derail this entire thread and now you're just patting each others backs.

You didn't "derail" it, narcissist.
A few people made the incorrect assumption you were acting in good faith, and tried to engage you on that basis. But, as we've established, all trannies are always liars and narcissists, and hopefully some here have now learnt that you are also always deceptive in your actions.

 

[Mr Baloon Hands]

You'll be dead soon and this thread will still be going strong.

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Probably not of a botched surgery though. He speaks with the kind of arrogance about these hack job surgeries that implies he’ll never actually have one. He’s probably the type that screams about his valid lady-dick to lesbians. This dude strikes me more as a middle class, white, straight, pseudo-intellectual, liberal man who wanted to identify his way into a minority status by taking his porn addiction up a notch and dressing up like an anime girl.

I could be wrong though.

 

[Imperial Priorities]

Lmao this is the feelings shit I'm talking about. No statistics, no studies, must some random nonsense. You losers just get big mad and tell me to kill myself while demanding your hugbox back. https://youtu.be/NEWFcEdV99E

Your beliefs are childish hatred based on nonsense.

@Imperial Priorities Since you said listen to trans people, I'm curious: have you had or plan to have any Gender Affirming Surgery? If so, will you be talking about it? I'd like to hear another perspective if you're willing to talk about it. Surgery IS personal, so I respect if you rather not speak on it.

I have a few less personal questions that apply to the thread in general:

• Do you think any particular doctors have a better technique than the rest?
• What do you think is in store for trans related surgery in the future?
• What do you think of a "pill" option as opposed to a regular surgery for those who can't do surgery or are too squeamish to do so? A pill that would allow your dysphoria to go down so bottom and or top dysphoria would let a person to still live as their preferred/true gender, but without being overwhelmed in their daily lives by thoughts of dysphoria.

This one is fun and makes claims I can actually bite my teeth into so I'll answer

I don't know much about the specifics because I don't really have much interest in GAS myself, but I would assume that there are doctors, surgeons, etc who are better at treating trans people and have better outcomes for GAS. Nor do I really have a deep understanding of the developments around these surgeries. However, I have conductive hearing issues that are caused by damage to my middle ear, and even in the past 20 years they've made big strides in those reconstructive surgeries, so I'd assume similar progress is being made around GAS.

Furthermore, if there was a pill that made be a no longer trans I would take it in a heartbeat. And I don't mean magically make my sex align with my gender pill, I mean take away my dysphoria and make me a cis person. Of course this would be better and easier than social and personal transition. As for a pill that just lessened my dysphoria, it would have to be balanced with treatment outcomes - if GAS has better outcomes for dysphoria I would take it over the pill. The same goes if this pill had better health outcomes than gender affirmation. What needs to be said however, is that this pill doesn't exist and treatment options that attempt to realign ones identified gender with their birth sex are not clinically successful.

 

[AMHOLIO]

I don't know much about the specifics because I don't really have much interest in GAS myself, but I would assume that there are doctors, surgeons, etc who are better at treating trans people and have better outcomes for GAS. Nor do I really have a deep understanding of the developments around these surgeries.

If one of your friends gets a surgery or plans on it, I would study up on it for her. Having more people understand what you're going through, how it works, and what complications there are when you get a lesser know (to cis) people surgery is easier on the person you discuss it with and can provide support if they ask you something about it.


And that's interesting: I know several who wouldn't want it, they see dysphoria as crucial to their identity. It's hard to make further research on theoretical pills like that since people are scared they'll be forced to use them instead of being able to live as the gender you want without dysphoria or discomfort. Thanks.


I think there are still a lot of problems plaguing trans surgery today. For example, every vaginoplasty technique is heavily guarded instead of compared and contrast to get better results and shared for the benefit of trans people. Our methods of making a phallus are incredibly risky, and the first trans men to get this could be left with long term health and sensitivity problems from removing a third of their arm or a portion of their leg. Another is for both: overpromising by the surgeons leading to raised expectations and sad outcomes when the surgery goes wrong. And it is hard to get to sue someone over the surgeries because each technique is personal and it would take some other doctor familiar with it to confirm it was botched in court.

There's also the culture surrounding it: many post that involve comments from reddit here are those downplaying serious side effects, those who give unrealistic expectations for the surgeries like the doctors, those who shame others for speaking any bad words about surgeons because they need said surgeon themselves or think that weeding out the surgeon population would inspire doctors to quit instead of, well, taking out assholes who prey on trans people.

I'm not a thread regular since I can only take so much medical photos and discussion, but everytime I read I find something I didn't know before. Kiwis are rough about language and file their opinions with nasty words, but screenshots and links to reddit threads & facebook post are from the source. Reading from them paints a shocking light on surgery and complications, as well as when white lies fall apart. I would start reading more stories from trans people, both good (yay) and bad. We may be drooling idiots in this thread, but we read a lot of the post that trans people leave on social media sites and a fair number of this thread can explain each surgery and how it can hurt the body over time.

 

[Peaches Demure]

However, I have conductive hearing issues that are caused by damage to my middle ear

Hi Wedge!

You're still not getting your own thread here. Cope and seethe.

 

[behindyourightnow]

This one is fun and makes claims I can actually bite my teeth into so I'll answer

I don't know much about the specifics because I don't really have much interest in GAS myself, but I would assume that there are doctors, surgeons, etc who are better at treating trans people and have better outcomes for GAS. Nor do I really have a deep understanding of the developments around these surgeries. However, I have conductive hearing issues that are caused by damage to my middle ear, and even in the past 20 years they've made big strides in those reconstructive surgeries, so I'd assume similar progress is being made around GAS.

Furthermore, if there was a pill that made be a no longer trans I would take it in a heartbeat. And I don't mean magically make my sex align with my gender pill, I mean take away my dysphoria and make me a cis person. Of course this would be better and easier than social and personal transition. As for a pill that just lessened my dysphoria, it would have to be balanced with treatment outcomes - if GAS has better outcomes for dysphoria I would take it over the pill. The same goes if this pill had better health outcomes than gender affirmation. What needs to be said however, is that this pill doesn't exist and treatment options that attempt to realign ones identified gender with their birth sex are not clinically successful.

Luckily you don’t even need a pill for that, it’s just called “getting off the fucking internet and away from your cult friends and touching grass,” because “gender” doesn’t exist and your dysphoria is a social contagion. You’re welcome!

 

[Iron Jaguar]

Your beliefs are childish hatred based on nonsense.

Just so long as you understand that we hate you.

Furthermore, if there was a pill that made be a no longer trans I would take it in a heartbeat.

No you wouldn't, liar. You have chosen to wrap yourself in delusions. If you wanted to stop it, you'd stop it, or at least seek counselling from someone who - and this is the crucial part - doesn't believe transgenderism is normal and real.

It's ironic that you keep referring to "GAS", since you're clearly using that term to gaslight people who can't see straight through you.

 

[SofondaCox]

I don't know much about the specifics because I don't really have much interest in GAS myself, but I would assume

Yeah, sounds about right. You're an ignorant faggot speaking on something you know nothing about and have no experience of. Another empty headed yes man for the butcher. Your family will be relieved to be rid of you.

 

[Mr Baloon Hands]

“Furthermore, if there was a pill that made be a no longer trans I would take it in a heartbeat.”


It’s called real therapy: and it doesn’t come with instant gratification and head pats. Get some.

 

[Imperial Priorities]

I'm right you guys are wrong lmao. You can pretend me not knowing a list of surgeons off of the top of my head means I don't know what I'm talking about when you all are hitting me with a million anecdotes. You people don't believe in shit, this is just childish rageposting. and yet even on a website devoted to campaigns of harassment you can't notice when you're being had. Real therapists recommend transition and gender affirmation - groups the the AMA, AAP, and APA. Lolz at the dude who doesn't even know how to insert quotes btw. Can't even use a text editor but you think you know better than doctors.

Hi Wedge!

Damn u got me, there is only one person who is trans and has conductive hearing loss and aparently this person wants a thread made about them on a website dedicated to harassment campaigns? Either way my dick is bigger than yours.

 

[MuuMuu Bunnylips]

“Furthermore, if there was a pill that made be a no longer trans I would take it in a heartbeat.”


It’s called real therapy: and it doesn’t come with instant gratification and head pats. Get some.

I thought it was called "cyanide."

 

[Mr Baloon Hands]

I'm right you guys are wrong lmao. You can pretend me not knowing a list of surgeons off of the top of my head means I don't know what I'm talking about when you all are hitting me with a million anecdotes. You people don't believe in shit, this is just childish rageposting. and yet even on a website devoted to campaigns of harassment you can't notice when you're being had. Real therapists recommend transition and gender affirmation - groups the the AMA, AAP, and APA. Lolz at the dude who doesn't even know how to insert quotes btw. Can't even use a text editor but you think you know better than doctors.

Doctors used to recommend lobotomies too. Maybe you should try it!

 

[SofondaCox]

I'm right you guys are wrong lmao.

You people don't believe in shit, this is just childish rageposting

That wasn't the thread where we rage on troons. Maybe you should have lurked a few seconds and found it, because you have no arguments, you've been overwhelmed with
evidence, while you, calling others ignorant, shat up the wrong thread with your flippancy regarding the horrific outcomes for your 'siblings'.

Is there any community where you aren't a fucking imposter? Any at all?

 

[unsuspecting persons]

Alright alright alright alright. As part of Mr. Null's Internet thread rules (imagine your face and name next to that post), I'm going to give my honest opinion.

I don't really care what you are, as long as you don't abuse people because of what you are.

EG: "I'm [whatever minority applies here] so you have to be my friend, otherwise you're [minority]ist." Not cool, very disrespectful. You have to add something else.

I'm black (inb4 they spam the N word in my inbox) but I don't guilt people into being my friend just because of that.

We learned respect in like....the womb, basically. It's crazy that websites like the Farms and Reddit (out of all places) tell you to remember the human, when you can just...do that every day without a reminder.