Megathread SRS and GRS surgeons and associated horrors - the medical community of experimental surgeons, the secret community of home butchers

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@guy on the net (site isn't letting me directly quote your post for some reason):

"I am nonbinary and not a binary man is because I a.) did not wish to be a man and b.) hated the toxicity, heavy expectation & responsibility, and loneliness that comes with being a man. Yet being a woman sucks, because a.) I hate being in this body, and b.) it makes me cringe whenever I'm associated with anything feminine."

Yeah me too except I never bought into the trans bullshit. I'm pretty sure what's really going on with us is that we've been cursed with the knowledge that we're in a world that ruthlessly tries to chop down to size anyone whose soul is too big for either the Barbie or GI Joe box.

Positive psychological androgyny is essential for creativity and a variety of other positive traits. But, because we live in a sick world, people are actively discouraged from developing psychological androgyny (as well as a variety of other immaterial things we need to be happy in life, as opposed to a profitable future employee for Mrs. Teacherberg's hymie husband.)

You will discover that no amount of surgery on your body will stop the gender zombies of this world (of either the common-garden 'cis' or limited-edition 'trans' flavour) from coming after your soul. You will have to develop your own individual context-sensitive way/s to hide yourself from them.
 
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@guy on the net Do you all have shitty parents? Why do you want validation from randos on the internet instead of your own people?
it's a thinly veiled, possibly subconscious cry for help. she is in a decentralized cult that heavily restricts behavior and causes medical harm and lionizes creepy men. she is reaching out in the only way she knows how, which is to go into a "verboten" online community, which she knows which will be harsh, but it's a kind of harsh she can tolerate, because it's truthful. i'm weaving a story here but i really don't see any other reason to pour your fucking heart out about your identity and tease changing it on a conservative leaning gossip forum. trans community validation no longer means anything to her. everything is valid there, even FGM.
 
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I didn’t really get the sense of self validation from him and thought the post provided relevant insight from the seeking SRS chasing perspective. Because logically, there are some things we see from these people that are unfathomable. It’s good to see a perspective from someone who was apart of that cult and is seeking opposing viewpoints to protect themselves. I think it’s relevant PLing.
 
@road timber I meant more, who are all these children who are getting their cues from reddit instead of their families. Like do their families suck and that's why they're lonely?

@guy on the net Allow me to repay your honesty in kind.

These people are terrible. They will cut you off for Wrongthink eventually. It will be very painful. Do not waste your time. You are going to die eventually; Do not waste your time now. Five years from now, none of them will be talking to you, no matter what you do now.

You are not a boy because you don't like being feminine. You're not non-binary. You're a slightly awkward girl. That's fine. Slightly awkward girls still tend to be more socially savvy than similar boys. You haven't mutilated yourself and you're probably young enough to be reasonable looking. There are a lot more reasonably sensible men than women, so you're at an advantage.

Stop talking to all these online lunatics and leave your house. Touch grass. Find a nice man, marry him, have a couple of kids. Raise those kids so that they don't go looking for online hugboxes as teenagers.
 
@guy on the net (site isn't letting me directly quote your post for some reason):

"I am nonbinary and not a binary man is because I a.) did not wish to be a man and b.) hated the toxicity, heavy expectation & responsibility, and loneliness that comes with being a man. Yet being a woman sucks, because a.) I hate being in this body, and b.) it makes me cringe whenever I'm associated with anything feminine."

Yeah me too except I never bought into the trans bullshit. I'm pretty sure what's really going on with us is that we've been cursed with the knowledge that we're in a world that ruthlessly tries to chop down to size anyone whose soul is too big for either the Barbie or GI Joe box.

Positive psychological androgyny is essential for creativity and a variety of other positive traits. But, because we live in a sick world, people are actively discouraged from developing psychological androgyny (as well as a variety of other immaterial things we need to be happy in life, as opposed to a profitable future employee for Mrs. Teacherberg's hymie husband.)

You will discover that no amount of surgery on your body will stop the gender zombies of this world (of either the common-garden 'cis' or limited-edition 'trans' flavour) from coming after your soul. You will have to develop your own individual context-sensitive way/s to hide yourself from them.

Agreed: that’s why the goalpost for surgery and hormones always changes: it actually makes their dysphoria worse because they’re doubling down into the delusion.

Trans surgeries are the equivalent of women who need fake babies to cope with the trauma of losing a child. Everyone knows the baby isn’t real but they play along to keep the person from losing their shit.

And agreed: gender ideology is regressive as fuck. No woman likes being a woman all the time, and not wanting to act like a sex doll (like TIMs like to do) doesn’t mean you aren’t one.
 
Find a nice man, marry him, have a couple of kids. Raise those kids so that they don't go looking for online hugboxes as teenagers.

No.
Some of us straight women don't want to live normal lives because we've learned the hard way that we couldn't live normal lives while also retaining the will to live.
The whole point of TERFism is that you shouldn't have to get horrible surgery or grow a beard in order to get people to stop pressuring you to become a wife and mother.
 
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No.
Some of us don't want to live normal lives because we've learned the hard way that we couldn't live normal lives while also retaining the will to live.
The whole point of TERFism is that you shouldn't have to get horrible surgery or grow a beard in order to opt out of being a wife and mother.
Anyone who thinks you need to mutilate yourself in order to not have kids, when we're not even at replacement birthrate and Millennials look to be way, way below it, is wildly unobservant. But if you don't want a spouse and kids, do something else. Be pope. Learn to sing opera. Whatever.
 
you’ve got to wonder about some of the conversations between the ER actual medical professionals, and the retard hacks who are clogging up their workloads maiming people and giving them horrendous advice- especially when they find out this guy was basically told to chill for a few days with this abomination going on.
From reading between the lines of trans people's descriptions of their medical care: I think medical professionals who have experience of troon patients come to think of them (consciously or unconsciously) as a demographic that a) is going to present with all kinds of weird and horrifying medical problems, and b) did it to themselves, at least on some level. Which in practical terms probably translates to “do what it takes to get them stabilized so it becomes the surgeon’s problem again, and I can go and have lunch.”

I reiterate: women are idiots.

"I saw another woman get raped and I realised how weak and powerless we are in comparison to men. - Hollywood movies lied! I couldn't deal with reality, so I decided I needed to be a man." - Gabriel Mac, probably.
No negative words about the men who set the whole thing off by raping a woman so brutally she needed reconstructive surgery; it’s just the women who trigger you. Very smart and sensible.

"I am nonbinary and not a binary man is because I a.) did not wish to be a man and b.) hated the toxicity, heavy expectation & responsibility, and loneliness that comes with being a man. Yet being a woman sucks, because a.) I hate being in this body, and b.) it makes me cringe whenever I'm associated with anything feminine."

Facing up to the fact that your disgust at the feminine is due to internalized misogyny seems difficult, but the difficulty is temporary, and it will cost you 1/1000th the mental energy that pretending you are "non-binary" will. Look into the ideas behind Acceptance and Commitment Therapy and how much harder and more mentally tiring it is to run away from reality and difficult feelings compared to facing them. Unfortunately you might have to get a workbook and do therapy on yourself because most actual therapists are so afraid of career backlash that they won't be honest with transgender patients.

Being a woman sucks, but declaring yourself 'non-binary' doesn't take you out of the woman category. A lot of people within particular social classes in the USA have decided to pretend it does, but (being from one of those classes myself) I can assure you that "nonbinary" women are still seen as women. You can tell just from the way they are treated. Even the extreme follower types who have brainwashed themselves into never consciously thinking of them as women and never slipping up on pronouns and who would still insist under torture that "nonbinary folx are nonbinary!"? Even they still unconsciously see you as a woman and will always treat you accordingly.

Again, I am speaking from direct observation. Put an "AFAB" (that term is wildly inaccurate but I am sure you know that) and an AMAB in a room and see who gets talked over regardless of "identity". Have an "AFAB" accuse an "AMAB" of harassment or sexual assault and see who their "progressive" group sides with.

There is no Get Out Of Misogyny Free card that you receive when you cut your hair and put on a pronoun badge; all you're doing is keeping the oppression you already had, and also making most normal people avoid you because they associate they/them types with instability and drama and because they are tired of having to pander to the 'not like other girls' shit they are constantly bringing up.

Also, go have a deeper look into the workings of the human body and then consider what putting a deep layer of scarring across the front of your chest is going to do to you. Post-mastectomy patients have long-term pain severity comparable to patients who have had entire limbs amputated:


"When breast tissue is surgically removed from the chest, sensory nerves traveling through these tissues are transected, stretched, or caught up in scar during the healing process. These nerve injuries can lead to chronic pain due to the development of what are known as end neuromas, neuromas-in-continuity, and scar compression. Altered sensation, including "pins and needles", shock-like, burning, or stabbing pain can provide evidence of nerve injury as a cause for the pain. Local anesthetic nerve blocks can confirm that the chronic pain is coming from the injured nerve(s)."

You'll still be a woman, just a woman with amputated breasts and scar tissue squeezing her nerves like tiny transphobic anacondas. Good luck with that, I suppose.

Yeah me too except I never bought into the trans bullshit. I'm pretty sure what's really going on with us is that we've been cursed with the knowledge that we're in a world that ruthlessly tries to chop down to size anyone whose soul is too big for either the Barbie or GI Joe box.

The world is a fuck.

Women have pushed against the narrow boundaries of what is deemed acceptable for women for all of human history. But it took American capitalism to market it as something that can be solved by a pill :)
 
See, if the trans fora were true and honest support groups, they'd be more open with stuff like this.

Like "you may have to get you a discount vagina, girl, but remember that 'no prior hair removal' is a lie." That's something the doc can't say but can be passed on patient to patient. Same thing with aftercare; these autists could be crowdsourcing a Where There Is No Doctor for first world problems, but instead it's swept under the rug. Sympathy for each new pelvic horror, but no memory of previous ones is allowed.
We've seen time and time again that these people will just outright lie to each other despite it not being in their best interest. It reminds me of when Kevin Gibes said that dilation absolutely isn't necessary and that HRT is so magic that his body just knows he's got a vagina now. Of course, he now has to do AmHole 2: Electric Boogaloo due to his amhole starting to heal shut.

This dude will always have to live with his amhole coughing out hairballs even if he gets the "poop problem" fixed.
 
"Facing up to the fact that your disgust at the feminine is due to internalized misogyny seems difficult, but the difficulty is temporary" - behind

imo the more pressing issue is conflating FEMININITY with FEMALENESS. not even close to the same thing.
it's also deeply unfair and patronizing that TIFs think we should still be held to those standards as women.
they're like "bye bitches, have fun being raped and using makeup, i'm built different" and still get fucked.
also lol at citing discomfort with your body as a sign you're not female. that's like a universal female trait.
echoing that if you know about nerve damage, you would never risk top surgery. it takes years to heal if ever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PPV83fgJx0 video about TIFs selfishly attempting to opt out of sexism.
this is essentially the system trans ideology is promoting, that some women are more special than others.
also irony of ironies that magdalen the TERF was more masculine presenting than the "trans boy" in the video.
stopping there for now, i'll come back when i have something on topic like mangled genitals or a lawsuit.
 
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@behindyourightnow
"No negative words about the men who set the whole thing off by raping a woman so brutally she needed reconstructive surgery"


This isn't a thread about violent, rapey (redundant, I know) niggers, so, no.
In any case, a stupid Western journalist who will have spent her entire career denigrating White men and Western culture chose to go to a place that any person without their head up their ass could see is extremely dangerous, especially for willfully naive White women. I bet that idiot was the one who was telling her attackers that she was there to help them, as if that would ward off the unwanted AIDS sticks penises of < 80 IQ subhumans. I don't feel sympathetic in the slightest.
 
"Facing up to the fact that your disgust at the feminine is due to internalized misogyny seems difficult, but the difficulty is temporary" - behind

imo the more pressing issue is conflating FEMININITY with FEMALENESS. not even close to the same thing.
True, and they should not be conflated, but it’s still useful for her to consider where her disgust related to “feminine” traits came from, since often attitudes like that are just mimicry of toxic stuff you observed growing up. No one is telling her to immediately put on a sundress and makeup because any aversion to femininity must be misogyny, but (given her crippling issues related to all things female or feminine) it’s worth her sitting down and being honest with herself.

If she still doesn't like any stereotypically feminine stuff, that's cool! Live your life! But maybe "nonbinaries" need to do some honest self-examination and consider why they cringe at the thought of being associated with anything feminine and why they are willing to chop off healthy body parts and insist on a nonexistent gender identity just to put some distance between themselves and anything that reminds them of femaleness.
 
Six weeks out from Stage 1 phalloplasty, OP is experiencing burning while peeing, and disabling pain which only resolves upon 'laying down and not moving'. OP complains to Cetrulo about the pain and gets left on read.

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The turdlet who butchered this woman, Dr. Curtis L. Cetrulo Jr., is the son of a co-founder of a biotech company, Auxocell Laboratories. He also performed the first (allegedly) successful penis transplant.

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A man who appears to be his brother, Kyle J. Cetrulo, is CEO of this company and also somehow managed to have

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Auxocell is a company which has patented technologies for tissue banking; specifically for extracting cells, including stem cells, from banked tissue.

Could people like these be making money from the excess tissue cut from phallo patients in the course of their numerous surgeries?
 
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Could people like these be making money from the excess tissue cut from phallo patients in the course of their numerous surgeries?
I don't doubt it. There are tons of idiots on their doorstep begging to get cut so why not use the tissue for something else? On the other hand I wonder how useful female tissue changed by too much testosterone really is...
 
True, and they should not be conflated, but it’s still useful for her to consider where her disgust related to “feminine” traits came from, since often attitudes like that are just mimicry of toxic stuff you observed growing up. No one is telling her to immediately put on a sundress and makeup because any aversion to femininity must be misogyny, but (given her crippling issues related to all things female or feminine) it’s worth her sitting down and being honest with herself.

If she still doesn't like any stereotypically feminine stuff, that's cool! Live your life! But maybe "nonbinaries" need to do some honest self-examination and consider why they cringe at the thought of being associated with anything feminine and why they are willing to chop off healthy body parts and insist on a nonexistent gender identity just to put some distance between themselves and anything that reminds them of femaleness.
The thing that’s alarming is to me is that most non binary girls really aren’t that butch. Or even FTMs — go on r/FTMFemininity and there’s so many of them with long hair and makeup and dresses and also permanent changes from hormones and sometimes surgery.

I think we can all understand why really, really butch women troon out. They actually are “not like other girls” and that will always be alienating. But most non binaries are within the standard range of female appearance and behavior, and they’re especially within the standard range of *lesbian* female appearance and behavior.

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Have a photo I found while on FTMFemininity. More really obvious self harm scars.
 
I went and stalked that profile because I was curious about the unusual scarring and dear god, it's so tragic. That woman is utterly gorgeous and stylish (and honestly, still looks stunning with her clothes on). And she's yeeted her boobs and is posting pictures of her butthole on r/ftmspunished. Why are we supposed to pretend this is healthy.
 
Six weeks out from Stage 1 phalloplasty, OP is experiencing burning while peeing, and disabling pain which only resolves upon 'laying down and not moving'. OP complains to Cetrulo about the pain and gets left on read.

I always find it simply STAGGERING when these lunatics mention their mother helped/supported them in their narcissistic self-destruction.

Honestly, it just proves my contention that many women are emotionally gullible and foolish.

If you are so weak-minded that you swallow all the horseshit and stupid lies about your daughter really being a boy and then you help her in any way with indulging her fantasies, you are a bad mother and also a worthless piece of shit as a human being. You may as well go out and buy two millstones; one each.
 
I always find it simply STAGGERING when these lunatics mention their mother helped/supported them in their narcissistic self-destruction.

Honestly, it just proves my contention that many women are emotionally gullible and foolish.

If you are so weak-minded that you swallow all the horseshit and stupid lies about your daughter really being a boy and then you help her in any way with indulging her fantasies, you are a bad mother and also a worthless piece of shit as a human being. You may as well go out and buy two millstones; one each.
Multiple comments about how dumb and weak-minded women are in a thread where men chop their dicks off and leak shit out the hole before hanging themselves. Sure pal
 
Multiple comments about how dumb and weak-minded women are in a thread where men chop their dicks off and leak shit out the hole before hanging themselves. Sure pal
I agree only with the last part of the message, because I still can’t wrap my mind how Stomp’s mother didn’t unlive herself through her daughter prolonged tragedy, even worse, support her.

If I were her, I’d probably went Deadpool way, going to the edge of an heroing and back, again and again, for the utter failure as a mother I am.
 
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