Megathread SRS and GRS surgeons and associated horrors - the medical community of experimental surgeons, the secret community of home butchers

[Crunchy Leaf]

There’s two angles here.

One is that the mother has had to deal with her mentally ill child for a decade at this point and is hopeful about literally anything that offers the promise of her child not being crazy. If the lobotomy man came through with his ice picks she’d suggest the FTM give it a try. This is the probable option.

There’s also the ‘mom was jealous of her daughter’ thing where she’s willing to help to ensure her daughter remains permanently unattractive, which normally I would think was fanciful except the elements that lead to one becoming an FTM (BPD, being sexually abused as a child) also strongly correlate with having a mother who is this type of awful.

 

[Retired Junta Member]

There’s two angles here.

One is that the mother has had to deal with her mentally ill child for a decade at this point and is hopeful about literally anything that offers the promise of her child not being crazy. If the lobotomy man came through with his ice picks she’d suggest the FTM give it a try. This is the probable option.

There’s also the ‘mom was jealous of her daughter’ thing where she’s willing to help to ensure her daughter remains permanently unattractive, which normally I would think was fanciful except the elements that lead to one becoming an FTM (BPD, being sexually abused as a child) also strongly correlate with having a mother who is this type of awful.

Parental exhaustion is never or rarely taken into account because parents hating or not liking their children is still taboo for most people. If you have a kid who’s severely mentally ill and the medical world can’t or won’t cure them, there’s a good change that you would just surrender and let them go to their destiny. Especially if you never bonded that much or if the the kid is aggressive, ungrateful or destroying the whole family.

Not everyone has the strength, the cultural and economical means or the right system support to fight for years for what could be a lost cause. I’m not saying that i would let my hypothetical kid undergo SRS no problem, but my strength is limited.

 

[Sealbaby]

If you are so weak-minded that you swallow all the horseshit and stupid lies about your daughter really being a boy and then you help her in any way with indulging her fantasies, you are a bad mother and also a worthless piece of shit as a human being.

Dude, these people are kicked puppies. Realise that what we're doing here on KF is kicking them even more, and when they're already down, and have some humility. We're doing this to avoid secondary trauma stress, and also to defy the banks and pharma companies and biotech companies and ad agencies who are trying to engender shock and awe in us, the working class, by selling self-harm to the most naive and impressionable of our children and siblings while framing it as beneficence. Remember that THEY are the enemy and stay on target.

Anyway..

Dr. Daniel J. Freet, who "will operate on minors with parental consent", and was given the 'Leonard Tow Humanism in Medicine Award', lies about how much skin will be taken off:

Spoiler: NSFW (gore): Woah

 

[cuddle striker]

@guy on the net
"surgeons gatekeep their worst results. So does the community. "

that's why I made this thread. glad it helped.
if you're in that community it's up to you and everyone else there to pressure these doctors and give each other realistic expectations about the physical reality of these surgeries.

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

and give each other realistic expectations about the physical reality of these surgeries.

Never ever ever going to happen. That would mean troons have to accept the reality of biological sex & that it can't be changed.

 

[Iron Jaguar]

Multiple comments about how dumb and weak-minded women are in a thread where men chop their dicks off and leak shit out the hole before hanging themselves. Sure pal

I've also made multiple comments about how male troons are insane liars and should 41% themselves. What's your point?

Interesting that you haven't said I'm wrong in my contentions, though.

 

[Gilkore]

I've also made multiple comments about how male troons are insane liars and should 41% themselves. What's your point?

Interesting that you haven't said I'm wrong in my contentions, though.

 

[passionpoop]

Question for people who actually know anything at all about transitioning: what happens if a neovagina falls apart? Is it actually a wound, or is just an odd stinky skin pocket? If it grows hair, does it feel itchy in there? Are trans people in constant pain or does it vary?

I've been reading through this thread and skimming other places on the net, and the problems I run into are either A. Everybody pretends transitioning is magical and there are no problems or B. everybody pretends transitioning is legitimately butchering a human being and everybody with inverted genitals is running around internally screaming over their lost cocks.

I just wanna know the truth, man.

 

[Gilkore]

Question for people who actually know anything at all about transitioning: what happens if a neovagina falls apart? Is it actually a wound, or is just an odd stinky skin pocket? If it grows hair, does it feel itchy in there? Are trans people in constant pain or does it vary?

I've been reading through this thread and skimming other places on the net, and the problems I run into are either A. Everybody pretends transitioning is magical and there are no problems or B. everybody pretends transitioning is legitimately butchering a human being and everybody with inverted genitals is running around internally screaming over their lost cocks.

I just wanna know the truth, man.

Answer to all of the above, all at once, somehow:

yes

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

everybody pretends transitioning is legitimately butchering

"Explain to me why genital multilation is a bad thing!1"

If you don't understand that, then that's no ones problem but yours.

 

[Iron Jaguar]

I just wanna know the truth, man.

transitioning is legitimately butchering a human being and everybody with inverted genitals is running around internally screaming over

This. It's this.

Remember, troons are always liars. Always. There are no exceptions. Like demons, they'll do anything to make sure they're not alone in Hell.

 

[Falling Star]

Question for people who actually know anything at all about transitioning: what happens if a neovagina falls apart? Is it actually a wound, or is just an odd stinky skin pocket? If it grows hair, does it feel itchy in there? Are trans people in constant pain or does it vary?

If you mean like a neovaginal prolapse, that very rarely (if ever) happens, AFAIK. I think I've maybe seen a single picture of one before.
Rather than "fall apart", neovaginas more commonly start to heal themselves shut if the troons neglect regular dilation in the first year post-op (because yes - it's a wound). If they're good about dilating for the first year or two, then they can usually ease off since by then the neovaginal canal has given up on healing and is held together by lots of scar tissue. Someone made this comparison before, but think of it like pierced ears: if you don't wear earrings for awhile, then the piercings (especially new ones) will probably heal and close on you. Older and larger piercings are less likely to do so.

Aside from this, fistulas are an extremely common complication. Usually recto-neovaginal fistulas (see that unfortunate troon with poopy pads from a couple pages ago), but I've also seen urethro-neovaginal fistulas (reminds me of the "women pee from their vagina!" meme, except it's real for some transwomen).
Probably the closest thing you'll see to a neovagina "falling apart" is when bits of the neolabia (or even the neoclitoris) become necrotic and eventually fall off. I'm personally convinced this is usually - although not always - the fault of the troon for being unhygienic and not doing the aftercare properly. See Jonathan Yaniv as an example of this.

Yes, MTFs will get hair growing inside their neovagina and all over their neovulva unless they get like 6 months of electrolysis treatments beforehand. Most won't bother to do this though, or they'll only do the bare minimum (like a handful of laser hair removal sessions which are NOT permanent). And yeah, it's very irritating, unpleasant, and embarrassing for them. Dilation makes it even worse since it ends up compacting gross, smelly hairballs at the far end of their neovaginal canal. Imagine having to fish hairballs out of yourself...

Many MTFs end up with some level of chronic pain (from nerves, scarring, abscesses, or whatever) and lifelong complications, yes. It's impossible to say how many though because troons constantly lie about and sugarcoat their SRS experiences. My guess is more than half, but this is just a guess.

tl;dr Slicing up your genitals and messing with your urethra in particular is a very bad idea unless it's truly medically-necessary. You're just asking for serious trouble...

Note: I'm not a medical person, so all of this is just based on my own observations. If I got anything wrong, then please feel free to correct me!

 

[Trombonista]

I always find it simply STAGGERING when these lunatics mention their mother helped/supported them in their narcissistic self-destruction.

Honestly, it just proves my contention that many women are emotionally gullible and foolish.

If you are so weak-minded that you swallow all the horseshit and stupid lies about your daughter really being a boy and then you help her in any way with indulging her fantasies, you are a bad mother and also a worthless piece of shit as a human being. You may as well go out and buy two millstones; one each.

I'm sorry your mother didn't buy you a Ferrari for your 15th birthday.

 

[Putin Bot]

@guy on the net

What the fuck the point is of your post? You seem so close to self awareness, realize you can never be a man, yet still want to chop off your tits and go on T. Why? What is the fucking end goal? At the end of all this, you're just going to be a mutilated breastless woman with frog voice and excessive body and facial hair. How will that make you feel radically different from how you are now? I'm sorry you're a confused young woman who hates her biology, but you think maybe you should seek, I don't know...fucking actual therapy? Maybe you should look at the detransitioners and see that the path you want to take is not as wonderful as the troon cult makes it out.

 

[passionpoop]

Remember, troons are always liars.

I do believe this. I'm just not sure to what extent exactly. While I do feel that the truth must lean closer towards 'this is a fucked up practice and these surgeons should all be shot', I also get the sneaking suspicion that the people on our side of the fence also happen to have hate boners which makes things a bit murkier.

Rather than "fall apart", neovaginas more commonly start to heal themselves shut if the troons neglect regular dilation in the first year post-op (because yes - it's a wound).

Can they heal completely shut? Have you ever seen a completely healed over neovagina? I've tried searching but haven't found anything on my end, but I saw someone else in a different thread mention it was a real possibility. The trans folk swear up and down it isn't a wound, and they compare it to a muscle but... From all the gore I've seen online, I find that hard to believe.

Many MTFs end up with some level of chronic pain (from nerves, scarring, abscesses, or whatever) and lifelong complications, yes. It's impossible to say how many though because troons constantly lie about and sugarcoat their SRS experiences. My guess is more than half, but this is just a guess.

This is something I'm really curious about. Of course we have things like suicide rates, but for those left living, it's hard to say how many feel regret considering how cultish it all is. I feel like anyone who spoke up would be immediately silenced. I want to know how many live with pain and regret, and I want to know how many wish they could reverse the process.

I do believe that SRS is ultimately a disgusting and inhumane practice but I just wonder how much of the information peddled is bull shit. I feel like even if I talked to a real honest to God troon, they'd lie to me. But I guess there's always the issue of echo chamber propaganda on the other side, too.

 

[neverendingmidi]

I feel like anyone who spoke up would be immediately silenced. I want to know how many live with pain and regret, and I want to know how many wish they could reverse the process.

There's been idiots posted in if not this thread (and I'm sure there have), then the Tranny Sideshow Thread, where dumbfucks have a moment of lucidity after orchiectomy (i.e. cutting off their balls) when they realize their sexual desire has gone to the toilet, but there's plenty of comments telling said imbecile that once they flay their penis and have it shoved up inside then they'll have a great sex life! Promise! Pinky swear!

Hell, Kevvie "Am Hole" Gibes kept saying how he was waiting on the nerves to wake up and how wonderful everything was for over a year after surgery.

It's a cult, and you are required to say how absolutely marvelous everything is at all times or you're a hateful, bigoted, Nazi, TERF. Did you miss several pages ago where the ftm reddit page was tone policing people for saying something didn't look like a good outcome? Saying ANYTHING negative is verboten, as is saying that a 13 year old who was raped probably shouldn't have her tits lopped off in a literal hysterical breakdown.

Tl;Dr: It's all sunken cost fallacy, all the way down.

 

[crab hole]

Can they heal completely shut? Have you ever seen a completely healed over neovagina? I've tried searching but haven't found anything on my end, but I saw someone else in a different thread mention it was a real possibility. The trans folk swear up and down it isn't a wound, and they compare it to a muscle but... From all the gore I've seen online, I find that hard to believe.

I haven't heard of them healing completely shut, like a nullo, but at a certain point enough depth is lost that it becomes a 1-2" deep divot equivalent to minimal- or zero-depth SRS. It's a relatively common complication; this recent study looking at Mt. Sinai patients over the past 5 years had 15% returning for a revision to "fix" it. Safe to assume the actual number of people affected but not seeking additional surgery is higher still.

Rarely, the walls can fuse together and close off a hollow area of skin. I don't know what would happen there with penile inversions, but if the sigmoid colon surgery blocks off it will painfully fill the cavity with intestinal mucous. And sometimes those pus pockets can burst internally. Other ways to blow out the walls of a neovagina include fucking a hole into it, and routine douching.

 

[passionpoop]

I haven't heard of them healing completely shut, like a nullo, but at a certain point enough depth is lost that it becomes a 1-2" deep divot equivalent to minimal- or zero-depth SRS. It's a relatively common complication; this recent study looking at Mt. Sinai patients over the past 5 years had 15% returning for a revision to "fix" it. Safe to assume the actual number of people affected but not seeking additional surgery is higher still.

Rarely, the walls can fuse together and close off a hollow area of skin. I don't know what would happen there with penile inversions, but if the sigmoid colon surgery blocks off it will painfully fill the cavity with intestinal mucous. And sometimes those pus pockets can burst internally. Other ways to blow out the walls of a neovagina include fucking a hole into it, and routine douching.

Wow thank you for all of the information. Though, that second to last link is genuinely terrifying. I didn't know that was even physically possible...

 

[Falling Star]

Can they heal completely shut? Have you ever seen a completely healed over neovagina? I've tried searching but haven't found anything on my end, but I saw someone else in a different thread mention it was a real possibility. The trans folk swear up and down it isn't a wound, and they compare it to a muscle but... From all the gore I've seen online, I find that hard to believe.

If you're interested, Reddit troons usually discuss it in terms of "lost depth" or "losing depth". At the extreme end, I've seen a couple say that it ends up looking like they got a zero-depth vaginoplasty (i.e. they have a neovulva and a dimple-like neovagina that's only 1-2 inches deep).
I don't know if it's gotten quite that bad for legendary lolcow Kevin Gibes (and he hasn't shared pics), but he neglected dilating his amhole to the point that even fingering himself is reportedly difficult. Neovaginal sex is outright impossible. He's now planning to go in for another vaginoplasty... a complete re-do rather than just a simple revision.

Btw, of course troons will swear up and down that their stinkditches aren't wounds but rather like muscles... they're trying to make them sound like real vaginas. Pure cope & magical thinking.

This is something I'm really curious about. Of course we have things like suicide rates, but for those left living, it's hard to say how many feel regret considering how cultish it all is. I feel like anyone who spoke up would be immediately silenced. I want to know how many live with pain and regret, and I want to know how many wish they could reverse the process.

I do believe that SRS is ultimately a disgusting and inhumane practice but I just wonder how much of the information peddled is bull shit. I feel like even if I talked to a real honest to God troon, they'd lie to me. But I guess there's always the issue of echo chamber propaganda on the other side, too.

Yeah, as I mentioned troons just constantly lie to reassure themselves and maintain the collective delusion that SRS isn't largely butchery. Very cult-like thinking, so determining the truth of these things is impossible, especially when many influential people (like trans activists/academics/doctors/therapists) have a vested interest in covering up anything bad.

An angry troon actually came into this thread about a week ago and derailed the thread for a few pages before all that discussion was moved elsewhere. Most of it was pretty spergy, but you might be interested in some of the replies. He tried to use a meta analysis of a bunch of SRS post-op satisfaction surveys to prove that troons are overwhelming happy with their results, and several posters here had good responses for why that's bullshit, lol. Here was my response at the time.

You'll probably, ultimately, be disappointed though. The trans people who live with pain and regret generally either end up killing themselves or stop participating in online trans forums/discussions - they feel alienated and know they are unwelcome. They fall through the cracks and don't get any representation.

 

[Gilkore]

I do believe this. I'm just not sure to what extent exactly. While I do feel that the truth must lean closer towards 'this is a fucked up practice and these surgeons should all be shot', I also get the sneaking suspicion that the people on our side of the fence also happen to have hate boners which makes things a bit murkier.


Can they heal completely shut? Have you ever seen a completely healed over neovagina? I've tried searching but haven't found anything on my end, but I saw someone else in a different thread mention it was a real possibility. The trans folk swear up and down it isn't a wound, and they compare it to a muscle but... From all the gore I've seen online, I find that hard to believe.


This is something I'm really curious about. Of course we have things like suicide rates, but for those left living, it's hard to say how many feel regret considering how cultish it all is. I feel like anyone who spoke up would be immediately silenced. I want to know how many live with pain and regret, and I want to know how many wish they could reverse the process.

I do believe that SRS is ultimately a disgusting and inhumane practice but I just wonder how much of the information peddled is bull shit. I feel like even if I talked to a real honest to God troon, they'd lie to me. But I guess there's always the issue of echo chamber propaganda on the other side, too.

I get where you're coming from, of course people are going to have hate boners and say crazy shit on KF. I get that you want to take a fair and balanced assessment of things.
But dude. Dude. Even with "good" cosmetic results (lolololol), "Flaying your dick and stuffing it in the hole, with high risk of fistulas that ooze poop, and probable need of revision surgery" is simply the best-case reality. That's it. There it is.
Plastic surgeons and their patients can be freaky weirdos for sure, but they don't behave like this. Their procedures can have complications and there's always risk but it's nothing like this.
If you want to take a fair look, sugarcoating it in order to balance out the kiwifarms meanies isn't the way to do it. Just...look at it. Look at the thread, don't even read it, just look at pictures of this stuff. And you can't say "well those are the bad ones!" because a lot of this is troons showing off what they think are GOOD RESULTS.
It's fistulas all the way down, man. If you can't see that then idk what to tell you