General Discussion for Virtual Youtubers / Vtubers / Chuubas - it's okay to be a simp for 2D, just don't thirstpost.

[RiverBear]

Attempting to gauge the popularity of the NijiEN talents via the popularity/sales of their Acrylic stands.
It's not perfect, but at least it shows WHO the audience is willing to shill money for.

And despite being only 1 month new, Luxiem takes the top 5 spots. YEY.
GO NIJISANJI MALES

 

[Tatsunoko]

Looking at their reactions, I guess Miko watched the video to give it the OK to have it on stream but kept it as a surprise for Korone (considering she keeps glancing over to see Korone's reaction) who was losing her mind.

 

[ChefKiss]

Two things it's worth remembering when it comes to the superchats numbers. First, cut the number in half before thinking about their pre-tax take home. YouTube takes a 30% cut and I believe it's been mentioned that Hololive takes a 30% cut after that.

Additionally, superchats are one of four revenue streams they have. They also get ad revenue, memberships, sponsor deals, and the Hololive salary. We just have the most concrete data for superchats.

Part of the Hololive cut goes into a group fund that is then split among all the talents so the bottom earners get a little more and the top earners get a little less

 

[Hotdogs Aplenty]

Looking at their reactions, I guess Miko watched the video to give it the OK to have it on stream but kept it as a surprise for Korone (considering she keeps glancing over to see Korone's reaction) who was losing her mind.

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Sega does what Nintendon't.

Part of the Hololive cut goes into a group fund that is then split among all the talents so the bottom earners get a little more and the top earners get a little less

Sounds like communism.

 

[reinigen]

Well, to be fair, @Scuttle is not wrong here. Everything you both are talking about is opportunity and resources (of which Nijisanji has the latter in bulk). What they did not have is a good foothold (or any of you do not count Hana Machia like I do). Foothold would require presence in that market, and as they didn’t have presence before Lazulight officially. No, they didn’t have a foothold.

Also, it is important to note that they were notoriously late to the party. People here, in fact the usual ENLs that have aneurysms over the mention of Nijis, repeatedly talked about how Nijisanji wouldn’t be able to keep up because Hololive cornered that market. It wasn’t true but it was a take at the time.

That said I don’t believe that the lack of a foothold was that much of a handicap, but that is because I never believed Hololive “cornered the market” in such a way to close it to new entry.

I think most people here with sense agreed on three things about the NijiEN premier both before and just after it:

1) AnyColor did themselves a major disservice by first trying to pass off an Indian branch as English. They would have ground to rebuild because of this.

2) They slept on not trying to get fansubs out for the JP branch to start organically getting clips into the algorithm sooner than they did.

3) Any subs and fanbase they get will need to be fought for much harder than Hololive because they waited so long after the initial vTuber excitement wave they can't profit from the 'free' advertising and excitement that came from it.


At this point, the only thing left to do is have Cover and AnyColor get the bug out their asses for the EN branches and let them collab. I need my Pomu/Kiara 7 hour idol geekout. I need my Watson/Selen trash talking FPS spectacular. I needs to happen.

 

[mandatorylurk]

I like Reimu being semi-toxic with shooters, and Elira malding too. One big plus the addition of the Niji guys has done is make team based games a lot more stable since you can only have Bonbon on so many times.

 

[INeedHelp]

I think most people here with sense agreed on three things about the NijiEN premier both before and just after it:

1) AnyColor did themselves a major disservice by first trying to pass off an Indian branch as English. They would have ground rebuild because of this.

2) They slept on not trying to get fansubs out for the JP branch to start organically getting clips into the algorithm sooner than they did.

3) Any subs and fanbase they get will need to be faught for much harder than Hololive because they waited so long after the initial vTuber excitement wave they can't profit from the 'free' advertising and excitement that came from it.


At this point, the only thing left to do is have Cover and AnyColor get the bug out their asses for the EN branches and let them collab. I need my Pomu/Kiara 7 hour idol geekout. I need my Watson/Selen trash talking FPS spectacular. I needs to happen.

Can it still be considered a zero foothold to well known EN Vtubers when AnyColor themselves were the ones fucking it up at the start? I also remember this attempt at passing off the IN branch as EN, then back to IN, then killing the branch altogether

 

[Diya]

Part of the Hololive cut goes into a group fund that is then split among all the talents so the bottom earners get a little more and the top earners get a little less

I can totally see they apply that policy, but source? Technically they already do it with how they provide base funding for talent 3D live and original or other project they can request for special event, but this is the first time I heard they give out a "share" of sort as raw benefit.

 

[Scuttle]

Spoiler: Sperging.

I don't really want to be arguing over dumb shit to start the year so I'll just leave it with this:

A few months ago I jumped the shark and stated that getting into Hololive guarantees the new members success. I received a lot of pushback, and eventually the thread settled on the notion that getting into Hololive guarantees you the attention and resources required to do gangbusters, but it's the individuals' talent, work ethic, and charisma that inevitably carries that for any length of time. This is a consensus that I agree with now, but I also firmly believe that said consensus applies to NijiEN as well.

The thread has spent a decent amount of pages discussing the NijiEN branch underperforming, or arriving too late and were likely to struggle, or Nina killing the branch with her Communist manifesto, or the boys causing issues. Now that it's come out that they're actually doing well for themselves, it's suddenly 'within expectations' and can be explained away by a Sony investment 2 years ago and an aggressive YouTube ad push. No mention of the members being good enough to build off of that, though.

I don't believe they're 'Underdogs' as there is no 'battle' occurring, nor do I believe they were 'Rags to Riches' because the fact of the matter is that they needed to throw shitloads of money at it to make up for lost ground. 7 months later, though, I can sit here and say I'm really happy it all worked out. Having 'no foothold' in the EN market doesn't mean I believe they lacked the money or strategy to correct that; though I do concede that I believe a decent chunk of it was self-inflicted by AnyColor's glacial decision making and rebranding IN disaster. That still doesn't change the end result, though. I'm just happy the branch was given a second chance and took it. It's mostly in part to the members they hired and their hard work that they did that, so of course I'm going to voice how nice it is to see.

Give me your 'tism stickers.

 

[Cubanodun]

Half the EN branch cant sing in JP to save their lives, dear lord.

Singing is not required, i mean Noel is there and no one cares that her screechs can pass as singing

oh btw how is billionaire corpo sony vtuber group doing

Resident Verse fag here, they are doing ok but i found strange that they mostly keep Phase connect tier of numbers, Sony doesnt know how to manage them announcing 6, 4 are streaming right now, 2 vsingers that got their models butchered so bad that to this day are still on repairs and stream with pngs and 1 ghost member that was the poster girl of this gen still doesn't even have a voice (the one made by the K-on character designer)

They have a very cozy community tho, especially Nanamona and the yellow Dragon, not doing Niji-Holo numbers but keep growing slow and steady, they have the advantage that by being sony they get first dibs on almost everything

 

[What the shit]

Spoiler: Sperging.

I don't really want to be arguing over dumb shit to start the year so I'll just leave it with this:

A few months ago I jumped the shark and stated that getting into Hololive guarantees the new members success. I received a lot of pushback, and eventually the thread settled on the notion that getting into Hololive guarantees you the attention and resources required to do gangbusters, but it's the individuals' talent, work ethic, and charisma that inevitably carries that for any length of time. This is a consensus that I agree with now, but I also firmly believe that said consensus applies to NijiEN as well.

The thread has spent a decent amount of pages discussing the NijiEN branch underperforming, or arriving too late and were likely to struggle, or Nina killing the branch with her Communist manifesto, or the boys causing issues. Now that it's come out that they're actually doing well for themselves, it's suddenly 'within expectations' and can be explained away by a Sony investment 2 years ago and an aggressive YouTube ad push. No mention of the members being good enough to build off of that, though.

I don't believe they're 'Underdogs' as there is no 'battle' occurring, nor do I believe they were 'Rags to Riches' because the fact of the matter is that they needed to throw shitloads of money at it to make up for lost ground. 7 months later, though, I can sit here and say I'm really happy it all worked out. Having 'no foothold' in the EN market doesn't mean I believe they lacked the money or strategy to correct that; though I do concede that I believe a decent chunk of it was self-inflicted by AnyColor's glacial decision making and rebranding IN disaster. That still doesn't change the end result, though. I'm just happy the branch was given a second chance and took it. It's mostly in part to the members they hired and their hard work that they did that, so of course I'm going to voice how nice it is to see.

Give me your 'tism stickers.

A few months ago

None of this was needed at all.

 

[kadmckool]

Sounds like communism.

Ironically communism work in small scale and not so much when it was nation wide scale.

In a small scale set up, everyone bond with one another and understand their hardship and willing to help out vs National scale which doom to fail because there will always be “why work harder while so and so can just jerking off while receiving welfare etc.)

Communism is working in some capacity but not mega scale. Plus those SCs cut from Cover is spend toward things like goodies, concert, idol dance and vocal training and concert venue etc. though there might need a 3rd party financial audit to make sure everything well spend.

I can totally see they apply that policy, but source? Technically they already do it with how they provide base funding for talent 3D live and original or other project they can request for special event, but this is the first time I heard they give out a "share" of sort as raw benefit.

Haachama disclosed that when her main channel was banned and demonetized 2 years prior, she survive base on the share funding and base salary from Cover.

 

[kukkia]

Spoiler: Sperging.

The thread has spent a decent amount of pages discussing the NijiEN branch underperforming, or arriving too late and were likely to struggle, or Nina killing the branch with her Communist manifesto, or the boys causing issues. Now that it's come out that they're actually doing well for themselves, it's suddenly 'within expectations' and can be explained away by a Sony investment 2 years ago and an aggressive YouTube ad push. No mention of the members being good enough to build off of that, though.

I do think that if someone stated here like a week prior to Lazulight's debut that NijiEN would have like 10 vtubers with 100k+ subs on YouTube - including two guys - by the end of the year, they'd be laughed at as a delusional fanboy. Hell even going back a month it was generally accepted that the guys could at best hope for maybe half of the success of Lazulight and Obsydia.

 

[grenskul]

Spoiler: Sperging.

The thread has spent a decent amount of pages discussing the NijiEN branch underperforming, or arriving too late and were likely to struggle, or Nina killing the branch with her Communist manifesto, or the boys causing issues. Now that it's come out that they're actually doing well for themselves, it's suddenly 'within expectations' and can be explained away by a Sony investment 2 years ago and an aggressive YouTube ad push. No mention of the members being good enough to build off of that, though.

Give me your 'tism stickers.

But are they doing well for themselfs ? You would think that a brand that is supposed to be the BIGGEST VTUBER COMPANY in the world they would at least reach Holo en gen 2 numbers for their english branch (even though en2 came a lot latter). You can't have it both ways . Either niji is bad and it's all the talents or marketing is worth a lot and they are doing as well as expected (or in my opinion poorly) and are average at best popo piles at worst.

Inb4: you can't use hololive as a metric the average vtuber is a 2 view shit png. Hololive is the golden standard and if you can't make more than a norwegian teen working at macdonalds as an entertainer you are shit at your job.

 

[Cdfhju]

YouTube takes a 30% cut and I believe it's been mentioned that Hololive takes a 30% cut after that.

You forgot about Jap gov, it take around 30% too.

 

[Burnt Fish]

Inb4: you can't use hololive as a metric the average vtuber is a 2 view shit png. Hololive is the golden standard and if you can't make more than a norwegian teen working at macdonalds as an entertainer you are shit at your job.

You know putting "inb4" in front of a valid rebuttal doesn't make your argument stronger.

 

[Just pretending]

Selen spent lots of her money on yesterday's stream: commissioning 3 VR Chat models, commissioning 4 Lo-Fi versions of the NijiEN wave songs, and designing the Nijisanji Express world in VR Chat.

Now? She's giving those models away for free public use, and will be putting those Lo-Fi tunes up on her channel in the future when she makes cute animations for them. Legendary.

https://twitter.com/Selen_Tatsuki/status/1477419997962010625?s=20

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Also, Rosemi finally finished her new stream intro and it's fucking incredible.

I must admit, their eyes looked pretty creepy, glowing in the dark as if they were making Omen remake. Wosemi couldn't decide whether she wants to pull a gun on the viewers or dance can-can. Great stream though, looks like we're in an era when non-JP vtubers take their 3D debuts in their own hands.

At 5 min 17 secs Nux claims to have insider info on cocos grad he cannot reveal publicly

Guess Kson filled in some gaps for him

So she probably told him something confidential and of course Nux immediately goes back to being an annoying faggot by bragging about 'muh secret knowledge'. Somehow I'm not surprised.

 

[Nolan Crush]

Wasn't here yesterday and didn't really watch much HoloLive. Guess I took a break after 10 hrs of karaoke relays.

Have Sana beating Kiara's record by streaming for 14 hrs in a row.

 

[FlappyBat]

You forgot about Jap gov, it take around 30% too.

I didn't want to try and predict their taxes and most people think of their own salary in pre-tax terms.

Either way, pretty much all the people are doing very well. Even the holo ID girls. I think people underestimate the non-superchat numbers. I would guess superchats don't break half of their total pay.

 

[Chronic Lurker]

You know putting "inb4" in front of a valid rebuttal doesn't make your argument stronger.

He isn't wrong though, Hololive might be a outlier above the norm and can't be used as a viable metric. But the 2 view indies with no corpo backing also aren't pier competitors and are even less of a fair metric than Hololive. Other Corpos are the people you should be comparing Niji, and you need to also take into count how old the company is, NijiEn may only be about 7 months old but it has the name, legacy, and preexisting members of other branches to boost it. Phase Connect by comparison had no legacy backing it up and has achieved very good numbers, its more impressive to me than Niji's numbers are. Especially when you consider that Niji being a big name was able to attract members with all ready decent fanbases.