Containment Random Thoughts & Questions

[Pointless Sperg]

Oh God yeah actually how long could these continuances go on for? The paper spray Incident lasted only 10 months could this thing be continued for years?! If so this is going a long and tedious saga for everyone involved.

They won't drag the court case on for years, there's no reason to. You run out of reasons for continuances, and Chris is being held without bail on a misdemeanor charge. Judges don't like it when someone is held without bail for longer than the maximum sentence. The maximum sentence for a misdemeanor is one year.

In addition, due to the statute of limitations, they can't bring any new misdemeanor charges a year after the incident, only felony charges. This means that any plea deal that uses other misdemeanors (other than the one he's already charged with) must happen before then, unless Chris is arraigned on them preemptively to keep them alive for a deal.

Felonies in Virginia have no statute of limitations so they can add them at any time. We'll know if things are getting worse for Chris if felony charges drop *before* a deal happens. We'll know this is happening because the case will shift to regular circuit court and there will be a lot more public access to the hearings. The first hearing in circuit court will probably be Chris entering a less-than-ideal plea deal. If there is no deal at the first circuit court hearing, then Chris is in big trouble (but this is very unlikely to happen).

More likely the case will stay in J&DR court, and end with a plea agreement either at the February hearing or the next hearing after that, Chris will enter a reasonable plea deal for misdemeanors with time served plus maybe a little extra, and some creative release/probation conditions. This will almost certainly all be over by May or June.

 

[Smleman303]

They won't drag the court case on for years, there's no reason to. You run out of reasons for continuances, and Chris is being held without bail on a misdemeanor charge. Judges don't like it when someone is held without bail for longer than the maximum sentence. The maximum sentence for a misdemeanor is one year.

In addition, due to the statute of limitations, they can't bring any new misdemeanor charges a year after the incident, only felony charges. This means that any plea deal that uses other misdemeanors (other than the one he's already charged with) must happen before then, unless Chris is arraigned on them preemptively to keep them alive for a deal.

Felonies in Virginia have no statute of limitations so they can add them at any time. We'll know if things are getting worse for Chris if felony charges drop *before* a deal happens. We'll know this is happening because the case will shift to regular circuit court and there will be a lot more public access to the hearings. The first hearing in circuit court will probably be Chris entering a less-than-ideal plea deal. If there is no deal at the first circuit court hearing, then Chris is in big trouble (but this is very unlikely to happen).

More likely the case will stay in J&DR court, and either at the February hearing or the next hearing after that, Chris will enter a reasonable plea deal for misdemeanors with time served plus maybe a little extra, and some creative release/probation conditions. This will almost certainly all be over by May or June.

The conditions will likely include staying away from barb and 14 BC (assuming it's not gone by then)?

 

[Pointless Sperg]

The conditions will likely include staying away from barb and 14 BC (assuming it's not gone by then)?

Barb, maybe, but that's also up to Barb. Almost certainly staying away from 14BC if Barb continues to live there. An *extremely* optimistic outcome is Barb moves out of 14BC and they figure out a combo of tugboat+HCVs to let Chris keep 14BC because it's cheaper and easier than trying to find him housing elsewhere.

More likely they use same tugboat+HCV to get him into a tard home. (This would fulfill the new 2021 law that mentally ill prisoners have a plan constructed for how to deal with them). They might go full 1990's "put him on a bus" solution and the homeless saga begins immediately, but that will almost certainly result in Chris creating more problems for the state in the future so they'll probably avoid that in favor of getting Chris placed somewhere sucking on the federal government's teat instead of costing Virginia tax dollars.

 

[Smleman303]

Barb, maybe, but that's also up to Barb. Almost certainly staying away from 14BC if Barb continues to live there. An *extremely* optimistic outcome is Barb moves out of 14BC and they figure out a combo of tugboat+HCVs to let Chris keep 14BC because it's cheaper and easier than trying to find him housing elsewhere.

More likely they use same tugboat+HCV to get him into a tard home. (This would fulfill the new 2021 law that mentally ill prisoners have a plan constructed for how to deal with them). They might go full 1990's "put him on a bus" solution and the homeless saga begins immediately, but that will almost certainly result in Chris creating more problems for the state in the future so they'll probably avoid that in favor of getting Chris placed somewhere sucking on the federal government's teat instead of costing Virginia tax dollars.

So tard home is the most likely outcome, the irony of Chris being put with the slow in the minds he looked down on. Still Chris seems to have become an institutionalised man at near record speed.

 

[Ophelia]

I just saw a Chris-chan cosplayer. I’m judging him for doing it and myself for immediately recognizing what he was going for (short-sleeved version of the Classic and a small sonichu medallion).

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Anyone thinking I’m being optimistic saying Chris won’t be in genpop should remember he’s a tard and he claims to be trans. Either of those could get him protection. Also he fucked his mom. People who do that sometimes do worse in genpop than kid diddlers. Everyone is thinking of their mom and missing her, and here comes Rapey McTard. Better to avoid that if possible.

 

[AnOminous]

that is not true at all, especially for chris. most people come out of jail fatter than when they went in because the nutrition is shit and they non stop eat commissary junk food since it's one of their few comforts.

They deliberately go out of their way to feed prisoners high calorie low protein foods because they don't want bulked up muscle monsters beating the shit out of each other and guards. The level of food also varies really widely. At the bottom tier you have shit worse than Aramark, with Aramark-level food being the standard, but there are outliers. In one county where I lived, they hired some local caterer who made food so phenomenal that cops and lawyers and even judges would find excuses to eat in the jail cafeteria, which was in a complex directly connected to the courthouse itself.

It was kind of weird, because you had all these people who had every reason to hate each other, inmates and cops and lawyers and the very judges who had put them there, but everyone was really cordial and mellow.

Then they switched to fucking Aramark. Assholes. Government contract bidding can eat all the dicks.

 

[Pointless Sperg]

They deliberately go out of their way to feed prisoners high calorie low protein foods because they don't want bulked up muscle monsters beating the shit out of each other and guards. The level of food also varies really widely. At the bottom tier you have shit worse than Aramark, with Aramark-level food being the standard, but there are outliers. In one county where I lived, they hired some local caterer who made food so phenomenal that cops and lawyers and even judges would find excuses to eat in the jail cafeteria, which was in a complex directly connected to the courthouse itself.

It was kind of weird, because you had all these people who had every reason to hate each other, inmates and cops and lawyers and the very judges who had put them there, but everyone was really cordial and mellow.

Then they switched to fucking Aramark. Assholes. Government contract bidding can eat all the dicks.

It's a shame too, as decent food helps keep people content. It gives them something to look forward to every day and less likely to want to destabilize the situation.

I'm torn between whether Aramark or Sodexho/Marriott is worse. Going with either of those catering giants is just asking for garbage. You'd be better off just bulk-buying microwave meals.

 

[Interchanger]

It's a shame too, as decent food helps keep people content. It gives them something to look forward to every day and less likely to want to destabilize the situation.

I'm torn between whether Aramark or Sodexho/Marriott is worse. Going with either of those catering giants is just asking for garbage. You'd be better off just bulk-buying microwave meals.

To be fair, Chris Chans standards for food isn't exactly high. For anyone else prison food is like a step up from school food at best, but most letters he seems alright with the food. I have a feeling Chris just consumes, not so much as enjoys a meal. I think when Barb stopped cooking for Chris and Bob that was likely the end of any real enjoyment food held for Chris. No family meals, just head down to Burger King for a coffee and a bacon roll.

As a result he likely just ended up viewing food like everything else. Something to spent his tugboat on, so he just choose high calorie trash because instant gratification is better than long term health complications.

And interesting thought from this though, is something everyone one on here likely askes themselves and the site constantly. If only Barb and Bob had taken better care of Chris, actually gave a damn like making sure he didn't crap himself anywhere he went or cook him something healthy to eat; likely this site, jail and all the shit that happened (the funny, tragic and horrifying) wouldn't have happened.

 

[A-№1]

Oh God yeah actually how long could these continuances go on for?

For a few months more.

Chris has had multiple continuances to "evaluate his mental state". That's practically a code phrase for "we still haven't worked out what to do with this nutjob". I don't know about Virginia, but in a lot of states the courts can't just dump mentally handicapped or juvenile offenders out onto the street. They have to have a treatment plan and somewhere to put them. For cases like Chris, this usually means the court sends them to a closed mental health facility for a few weeks to stabilize, and then that facility dumps them out onto the street. Open beds can be hard to find, though, especially in the fall and winter, so it's quite possible the court is simply waiting for a placement to open up. Beds tend to come available in the spring as their current occupants come out of hibernation and start to wander the land.

I will be very surprised if this isn't over by May. June at the latest. Nobody wants to deal with Chris long term.

Wut

…the fuck is this?

Are you quoting someone? Did your 13 year old little brother sneak onto your computer?

Is it your turn to be asked to take your feud to private messages? Or just ignore it? The account you're replying to hasn't even been here a month: JoinedDec 20, 2021. I've read some of your other posts, and you really should know better. Why are you feeding the trolls?

inb4 the next pointless response from Son of Who Cares?

 

[A-№1]

Once again I should have read the whole thread before replying.

(This would fulfill the new 2021 law that mentally ill prisoners have a plan constructed for how to deal with them).

Suddenly things become a lot clearer.

The court is definitely trying to work out what to do with Chris. And since this is a new thing for them (2021), they don't have any experience or procedures in place yet for placing "special" people. Likely they're muddling along trying to figure things out as they go. That has to be one of the main reasons for all the continuances, and also why bail was denied for a misdemeanor charge after leaving him to his own devices under an EPO.

So tard home is the most likely outcome,

…until Chris fucks it up.

Adult care facilities often look for any excuse under the law to rid themselves of particularly troublesome inmates. Even Chris just saying something as simple as, "I don't like it here," could be enough to start rehousing procedures (likely "rehousing" him to the street).

Still Chris seems to have become an institutionalised man at near record speed.

Firstly, being placed in adult managed care is not the same as being institutionalized. Chris is not flying over the cuckoo's nest. Secondly, "record speed"? Chris should have been placed in an adult foster home YEARS AGO. If anything, it's taking too long IMO.

They deliberately go out of their way to feed prisoners high calorie low protein foods because they don't want bulked up muscle monsters beating the shit out of each other and guards.

Partly this, but mostly because it's cheaper.

The level of food also varies really widely.

Also this. At one local jail the kitchen is run by a couple of retired navy cooks. You can't buy food that good. Not coincidentally, this jail has by far the lowest number of incidents. The warden is a smart one. Prisoners who are thinking about their next dinner aren't thinking about causing trouble.

At the bottom tier you have shit worse than Aramark, with Aramark-level food being the standard, but there are outliers.

That's not the bottom tier. There are actually regulations on what you can feed prisoners. At worst they get commercial, institutional, or utility grade. For those of you attending university, take a look at the boxes stacked out back behind the kitchens some time. Don't be surprised if you see "Canner Grade" labels on the boxes.

Yes, that's right, prisoners are fed better than university students. Makes one wonder what all the college debt is going to - it certainly isn't the food.

Then they switched to fucking Aramark. Assholes. Government contract bidding can eat all the dicks.

Fuuuuuuck. That's grounds for a prison riot - by all the judges and cops who were eating there.

 

[Lazy Man]

Firstly, being placed in adult managed care is not the same as being institutionalized. Chris is not flying over the cuckoo's nest. Secondly, "record speed"? Chris should have been placed in an adult foster home YEARS AGO. If anything, it's taking too long IMO.

I'm pretty sure they meant institutionalised in the sense that Chris has settled into and become used to the situation quickly.

 

[A-№1]

I'm pretty sure they meant institutionalised in the sense that Chris has settled into and become used to the situation quickly.

If by "institutionalized" @Smleman303 meant "acclimatized", then yes, Chris has acclimatized very quickly. That shouldn't be surprising, though, since no matter where Chris finds himself, he mostly lives inside his own head.

Also we only have Chris' word for how well he's handling Jail. Chris is an unreliable narrator. The staff might have a different tale to tell.

 

[Lazy Man]

If by "institutionalized" @Smleman303 meant "acclimatized", then yes, Chris has acclimatized very quickly. That shouldn't be surprising, though, since no matter where Chris finds himself, he mostly lives inside his own head.

Also we only have Chris' word for how well he's handling Jail. Chris is an unreliable narrator. The staff might have a different tale to tell.

Institutionalize, establish something as a convention or norm in an organization or culture.

I think both are appropriate.

Autists enjoy structure and routine so jail must be giving Chris a sense of structure he was missing. He's not sperged over Gen 5 ponies in any letter I've seen, so being away from his media franchises and trolls has meant less stress on his imagination land. He can just sit and cope and wait. I'm assuming the majority of the letters he gets are positive as there's no benefit to trolling Chris if you don't get to see him react.

All things told despite Chris being an unreliable narrator his main trait is complaining. If it was as bad as we expected I think we'd see more of that in his letters. I can only recall one time he complained like that and it was when he wanted Biden to pardon him. since that first tantrum he's been surprisingly mellow and focused on being Jesus.

 

[RainwaterDrop]

Jailtime could only improve Chris' physical appearance. Shit, it made Nick Bate look semi human.

I doubt Chris is getting any exercise of his own will (he might be considering how fucking boring it must be to spend weeks with fucking nothing to do on a jail cell), but he certainly is eating better and must be losing weight. Even if Chris is buying boxes of candy from his comissary, he isn't gorging himself on large McDonald's meals every day as he used to, so it's still an improvement lol!

To be fair, Chris Chans standards for food isn't exactly high. For anyone else prison food is like a step up from school food at best, but most letters he seems alright with the food. I have a feeling Chris just consumes, not so much as enjoys a meal. I think when Barb stopped cooking for Chris and Bob that was likely the end of any real enjoyment food held for Chris. No family meals, just head down to Burger King for a coffee and a bacon roll.

Chris isn't cultured. His standard of a luxury hotel had fucking dozens of supermarket air fresheners on every room to keep the place clean, while actual high end hotels sometimes even have fragrances they apply to guest rooms. I doubt Chris knows anything about actual food, food to Chris begins in TV dinners and ends in McDonald's!

I wonder how Chris would react to a fine dining experience, getting served some properly made dishes. Providing they wouldn't kick him out, I bet he would either spend his tugboat going to the place every day, or at least we would get some mentions of a very specific restaurant on his comics lol!

 

[Hopkinsville Goblin]

Chris isn't cultured. His standard of a luxury hotel had fucking dozens of supermarket air fresheners on every room to keep the place clean, while actual high end hotels sometimes even have fragrances they apply to guest rooms. I doubt Chris knows anything about actual food, food to Chris begins in TV dinners and ends in McDonald's!

You can't mention that without providing the source for any newcomers, the Giant Penis Comic. Needless to say, NSFW.

 

[Pointless Sperg]

Suddenly things become a lot clearer.

The court is definitely trying to work out what to do with Chris. And since this is a new thing for them (2021), they don't have any experience or procedures in place yet for placing "special" people. Likely they're muddling along trying to figure things out as they go. That has to be one of the main reasons for all the continuances, and also why bail was denied for a misdemeanor charge after leaving him to his own devices under an EPO.

Sorry, my memory was shit, the bill was from 2019 and it took effect in 2020. I got it mixed up with the mental health evidence statute that took effect in 2021. Still, yes, it's relatively new.

The requirement for a discharge plan was part of a larger bill about letting prisons streamline HIPAA access for mental health treatment of prisoners. Basically all medical facilities in the state must accept a uniform HIPAA authorization from the corrections system, so the department of corrections doesn't have to fill out individual HIPAA forms for each individual facility.

Oh and get this -- the legislator that proposed the bill was ROB FUCKING BELL:

LIS > Bill Tracking > HB1942 > 2019 session

EDIT: It also, on paper, allows the state to automatically have the power to pull medical records without the prisoner's consent, considering the prisoner a ward of the state for those purposes. That might not pass muster if it were legally challenged, since HIPAA is federal, but I'm not sure what exceptions HIPAA allows. I doubt anyone crazy enough to have it done to them would initiate a challenge to it though.

Relevant text regarding discharge from the statute:

2. Requirements for discharge planning for individuals with serious mental illness assessed as requiring behavioral health services upon release from the local correctional facility, which shall include (i) creation of a discharge plan, as soon as practicable after completion of the assessment required pursuant to subdivision 1, and (ii) coordination of services and care with community providers, community supervision agencies, and, as appropriate, the individual's family in accordance with the discharge plan until such time as the individual has begun to receive services in accordance with the discharge plan or for a period of 30 days following release from the local correctional facility, whichever occurs sooner. Discharge plans shall ensure access to the full continuum of care for the individual upon release from the local correctional facility and shall include provisions for (a) linking the individual for whom the discharge plan has been prepared to the community services board in the jurisdiction in which he will reside following release and to other supports and services necessary to meet his service needs and (b) communication of information regarding the individual's treatment needs and exchange of treatment records among service providers;

This rules out Dr. Greyhound, but could just mean "go see this therapist plz". That said, it's clearly written without the intent of inmate dumping, and if they want to keep the village tard from causing further mischief, there's an incentive to come up with a better release plan. In this sense Chris is lucky that he's being held in a jail that serves small counties that have a bigger interest in controlling their tards.

You can't mention that without providing the source for any newcomers, the Giant Penis Comic. Needless to say, NSFW.

At least this comic had Chris being True and Honest about the size and shape of his penis.

 

[Smleman303]

If by "institutionalized" @Smleman303 meant "acclimatized", then yes, Chris has acclimatized very quickly. That shouldn't be surprising, though, since no matter where Chris finds himself, he mostly lives inside his own head.

Also we only have Chris' word for how well he's handling Jail. Chris is an unreliable narrator. The staff might have a different tale to tell.

Yeah that was what I had in mind. I had no idea they could dump Chris on the streets that easily though. However place him somewhere and he gets used to it quickly.... At his word, him being banned from the rec yard probably paints a picture of someone being more difficult.

 

[Blue Miaplacidus]

That has to be one of the main reasons for all the continuances

the main reason is chris' lawyer, he will push for as many continuances as possible that way when he's ready to accept whatever deal is offered he can use chris' time served. it's pretty common

 

[Phalanges Mycologist]

This is something I'm curious about - Before Chris was arrested what was given to the Police, chris and the chandlers in general are no strangers to the Police and having the police randomly show up because of Weens.

Did the police get called saying Chris Chandler has been molesting his mum and then ignored as that's just the stupid shit thats been called in before, did it take them getting the call from someone with "evidence" like the phone call with him admitting it etc or did they have to do a welfare check by law and found enough evidence to get a EPO?

I'm just not sure about the series of events that lead to him getting arrested while gunt screamed his lungs out.

 

[RainwaterDrop]

This is something I'm curious about - Before Chris was arrested what was given to the Police, chris and the chandlers in general are no strangers to the Police and having the police randomly show up because of Weens.

Did the police get called saying Chris Chandler has been molesting his mum and then ignored as that's just the stupid shit thats been called in before, did it take them getting the call from someone with "evidence" like the phone call with him admitting it etc or did they have to do a welfare check by law and found enough evidence to get a EPO?

I'm just not sure about the series of events that lead to him getting arrested while gunt screamed his lungs out.

Police departments everywhere have frequent flyers, just like other emergency services do. They usually put up with them and follow regular procedures, sometimes adding penalties to them for wasting police resources, but elder abuse and sex crimes are situations where the cops usually do a checkup on ethical grounds. Even it's the town retard getting into trouble for the tenth time in the month, they can't afford to let such crimes slide. I could see them not believing it at first and only proceeding to arrest Chris later, but it either happened after word got around considering Barb was sent to the Hospital pretty much simultaneously!