Containment Random Thoughts & Questions

[coolniceman]

I agree with you on this, I don't think he is schizo based on his lack of actionable conviction. He will claim he's a goddess for example but you won't see him attempt to do anything rash to prove that he is. Still, I've found his lengthy rambling about his delusions to go beyond what I've ever observed in someone autistic. His many-tweets-long rants on Twitter, and more recently his letters, are hard to really attribute to autism in my opinion. The only other internet personality I can immediately think of who shared delusions similar to Chris would be Randy Stair, who Chris actually has expressed camaraderie for. You could say Randy was more committed to his delusions being real given that he killed himself to be with his waifu, but I think it's more likely that he knew it was bullshit (indicated as much, a few times) but wanted to die anyway and used that as his justification.

In the end I don't think either of them were or are schizo but their level of commitment to their delusion is evident of some kind of mental problem, and for Chris the amount of energy he pours into it just does not fit with any mental health profile I'm aware of other that schizophrenia. I don't that's what he is, but it's just not something I understand well enough to know why he's like that. Only that I think it's a severe case of someone creating a false reality to avoid confronting actual reality and their place in it. The most compelling info I've heard on Randy was that he was possible abusing allergy medication which could've contributed to his issues, but afaik Chris has never been known to abuse substances so I have to imagine this all comes from within his own mind.

In schizophrenia you would have to see 2/5 of the following symptoms: hallucinations, delusions, disorganized speech, grossly disorganized/catatonic behavior and the negative symptoms, and at least one of those has to be either hallucinations or delusions. So the question becomes whether he is clinically delusional or not, and to me if we are basing our analysis on the literature and not personal opinion the answer is a clear no. Chris also doesn't show the profound decline of cognitive function as schizophrenics, he would probably test average on IQ/memory and this has probably stayed the same over years. He doesn't have the flattened affect or ambivalence you see normally either. Autism and schizophrenia overlap in many ways, but are distinct conditions. By the time most of those who are truly psychotic reach Chris's age the thought disorder and disorientation has become so severe they have trouble forming even a single coherent sentence. At any rate he is a sick puppy who has been failed by the mental health system.

 

[Chazzed Up]

In schizophrenia you would have to see 2/5 of the following symptoms: hallucinations, delusions, disorganized speech, grossly disorganized/catatonic behavior and the negative symptoms, and at least one of those has to be either hallucinations or delusions. So the question becomes whether he is clinically delusional or not, and to me if we are basing our analysis on the literature and not personal opinion the answer is a clear no. Chris also doesn't show the profound decline of cognitive function as schizophrenics, he would probably test average on IQ/memory and this has probably stayed the same over years. He doesn't have the flattened affect or ambivalence you see normally either. Autism and schizophrenia overlap in many ways, but are distinct conditions. By the time most of those who are truly psychotic reach Chris's age the thought disorder and disorientation has become so severe they have trouble forming even a single coherent sentence. At any rate he is a sick puppy who has been failed by the mental health system.

That Gail lady who fanfics about Brent Spiner is schizophrenic isn't she? I've watched a lot of her videos and only really noticed her delusions. I don't recall Terry showing many of those traits either, they both seem fairly lucid other than their commitment to their belief system. Am I overlooking those symptoms in their videos?

 

[Muncie Anderson]

Regarding Chris and his habit of stress sighing...

I know he's been a big fan of Peanuts all of his life, and there were quite a few comic strips from its heyday in the late 1950s and throughout the sixties where the punchline was one of the characters, usually Charlie Brown, looking towards the fourth wall and exclaiming "Sigh" after one of the other kids had either told them off or otherwise embarrassed them somehow.

Chris was probably gullible enough to think that most people reacted this way when confronted by difficult or humiliating situations. It may not have anything to do with his poor health, or any problems breathing.

 

[coolniceman]

That Gail lady who fanfics about Brent Spiner is schizophrenic isn't she? I've watched a lot of her videos and only really noticed her delusions. I don't recall Terry showing many of those traits either, they both seem fairly lucid other than their commitment to their belief system. Am I overlooking those symptoms in their videos?

Terry Davis, if that's who you are referring to, did seem to harbor delusions (rip Terry I hope you are mowing down CIA glowies in programmer heaven.) His delusions were of a paranoid and bizarre nature, which is consistent with his professional diagnosis. He had religous delusions, many psychotics think this way (God's lonely programmer.) I don't know this Gail lady. If you watch closely, he exhibits the flatness of affect (blank look on his face, starey expression in his eyes) and ambivalence (he was indifferent towards his lifestyle of living in a van, owning almost nothing and presumably rarely showering.) His train of thought seemed incoherent at times. He seemed to experience thought derailment and thought blocking. His speech was often clearly word salad or schizophasia (jumping from subject to subject with no clear associations between subjects, rambling.) If you can't see that for yourself I don't know what to tell you. He did have periods where he seemed entirely lucid, a video of him meeting fans in a McDonalds comes to mind. Terry was fairly high IQ, the higher a psychotic person's IQ is before they snap the better. Psychotics tend to be lower IQ rather than higher, even before they snap. He was intelligent, which is atypical, and this seems to account for his remarkable lucidity at times and animation/spontanaeity.

 

[Chazzed Up]

Terry Davis, if that's who you are referring to, did seem to harbor delusions (rip Terry I hope you are mowing down CIA glowies in programmer heaven.) His delusions were of a paranoid and bizarre nature, which is consistent with his professional diagnosis. He had religous delusions, many psychotics think this way (God's lonely programmer.) I don't know this Gail lady. If you watch closely, he exhibits the flatness of affect (blank look on his face, starey expression in his eyes) and ambivalence (he was indifferent towards his lifestyle of living in a van, owning almost nothing and presumably rarely showering.) His train of thought seemed incoherent at times. He seemed to experience thought derailment and thought blocking. His speech was often clearly word salad or schizopasia (jumping from subject to subject with no clear associations between subjects, rambling.) If you can't see that for yourself I don't know what to tell you. He did have periods where he seemed entirely lucid, a video of him meeting fans in a McDonalds comes to mind. Terry was fairly high IQ, the higher a psychotic person's IQ is before they snap the better. Psychotics tend to be lower IQ rather than higher, even before they snap. He was intelligent, which is atypical, and this seems to account for his remarkable lucidity at times and animation/spontanaeity.

I've noticed Chris exhibit similar communication problems though too, that's why I was asking your take on it. Chris can barely stick to a subject for very long without jumping around, loses his train of thought only to start on a new topic, is pretty incoherent and rambles, does often seem dead-eyed or spaced out. And he has never shown much dissatisfaction with his life situation either despite it being a horror to most observers (living in a hoarder mess with his possibly demented mother and having little to no social circle for decades). Again, I'm not saying that is proof of anything, I'm just comparing him to someone we can verify is schizophrenic and what their similarities or difference might be. Because I can't quite square the way he engages with delusions with autistic people I've known and observed. The ones I've been around or observed often have a rich fantasy life but I've never known one who constructs a fully fake world for themselves that they insist is reality.

The bigger problem for me with any schizophrenia diagnosis for him is that I think the major symptoms of it present much earlier than the age Chris is now, and while he had his comic going way back he didn't really completely disengage from reality until relatively recently. Thus why I think it's a maladapative coping technique. I suppose his communication problems could be autism and the delusions are just a very intense cope that he has never been forced to discard.

 

[coolniceman]

I've noticed Chris exhibit similar communication problems though too, that's why I was asking your take on it. Chris can barely stick to a subject for very long without jumping around, loses his train of thought only to start on a new topic, is pretty incoherent and rambles, does often seem dead-eyed or spaced out. And he has never shown much dissatisfaction with his life situation either despite it being a horror to most observers (living in a hoarder mess with his possibly demented mother and having little to no social circle for decades). Again, I'm not saying that is proof of anything, I'm just comparing him to someone we can verify is schizophrenic and what their similarities or difference might be. Because I can't quite square the way he engages with delusions with autistic people I've known and observed. The ones I've been around or observed often have a rich fantasy life but I've never known one who constructs a fully fake world for themselves that they insist is reality.

The bigger problem for me with any schizophrenia diagnosis for him is that I think the major symptoms of it present much earlier than the age Chris is now, and while he had his comic going way back he didn't really completely disengage from reality until relatively recently. Thus why I think it's a maladapative coping technique. I suppose his communication problems could be autism and the delusions are just a very intense cope that he has never been forced to discard.

I hope we are not boring/infuriating the rest of the thread. On Chris's affect, I know what you mean, there is a photo of Chris reclining in his chair wearing the classic outfit/medallion, surrounded by his toys and drawings, and staring off into space with the kind of checked out look you'd expect in a lunatic asylum.

On his rambling, there is a theory that autistics experience thought disorder as in schizophrenia. This could account for Chris's difficulties thinking/speaking clearly, although this theory is poorly supported.

As far as his fantasies, never underestimate the degree of pathology some are capable of, as in, the degree to which they will lie to others/themselves. Parsing the difference between psychosis and pathology is tricky.

You are absolutely right, he would have been diagnosed much earlier in life. Who knows, maybe the prison staff will change his diagnosis and I'll have to eat crow. But I think not.

 

[Smithfield Ham]

As a dumb little break from all the rape and psychosis talk, I decided to do something spergy and fun. Reading the Cwcki, I was reminded of the Cwcville's own fake currency, "CWC Quarters." While only a passing curiosity in the past, the rise of crypto-currency and the ongoing inflation crisis in the US had me thinking about what the actual value of Chris' fake money would be.

Ground rules for our world building:
1) In this scenario, Cwcville is a real place and the currency is actually used there.
2) Cwcville is in Virginia, but apparently has its own semi-independent government. Like an Indian Reservation.
3) CWQ is the primary currency and used regularly within the borders of Cwcville.
4) CWQ is only used in Cwcville, and must be exchanged for regular money anywhere else.

Now, from what we know about CWQ from its very brief mention in the comic and Chris' writings, W Quarters are the primary currency, and C quarters are secondary. One W Quarter is worth ten C quarters. 1W = 10C. (Chris, being a dumba, assumed "Quarter" meant the same thing as "coin" or "token"). We can assume the coins are made out of conductive metal, to fit with the electricity theme of the comic. We'll just assume they're made with the standard copper, nickle and zinc.

CWQ is most likely a fiat currency, as a gold depository or some kind of material standard is never mentioned. Obviously, this will lower its potential value a lot. The value of a fiat currency is based purely on speculation and demand. That means the amount of people who use it, combined with how well Cwcville is doing, are both very important.

The largest city in Virginia is Virginia Beach, with a population of roughly half a million. Chris has compared Cwcville to New York, which has a staggeringly larger population of eight million. For the sake of clairty, we're gonna split the difference and assume the population is roughly between 2-4 million, putting it on par with Chicago or LA. A population size of 3-4 million would make Cwcville equal to Uruguay or Albania. So, by observing their local currency, we can get a pretty good idea what CWQ is worth.

The exchange rate between USD and the Albanian LEK is 100-1. The exchange rate for the Uruguayan peso is similarly dismal, at 44-1 to one. Now, there are a number of factors that could potentially make CWQ worth more, like Cwcville's strong trade relations with the US and export of orange cream soda. But the fact that CWQ isn't recognized anywhere else will ultimately be its downfall.

Therefore, I believe the actual value of CWQ, were it all real, would be about 50 W-Tokens to a single dollar, or 500 C-Tokens to 1USD. This falls far, far below Chris' own estimate that CWQ would be worth 2.50 USD. But of course, we're assuming that the coins aren't minted from a particularly valuable material or backed by a precious metal. Chris could easily handwave our estimations away by saying the coins are minted from magic JO crystals empowered by the chaos emeralds.

Mostly I just thought about all this because I really fucking hate NFTs.

 

[Pointless Sperg]

There's also another relevant 2021 statute (§ 19.2-271.6) that probably helps Chris, allowing the use of evidence of mental illness or defect in cases where there isn't an insanity plea, something previously forbidden. Autism spectrum disorders are among the specifically enumerated conditions covered by the new rule.

I'm not sure it actually applies to Chris's case (it appears to negate specific intent requiring a particular state of mind to establish an offense), but considering a full insanity plea is extremely unlikely, it allows that kind of mitigation in at the determination of guilt phase.

Yes, I pointed that out earlier. It will most likely be brought up in negotiations, and absolutely be used in the event it goes to trial. Even if it doesn't help, it wouldn't hurt to use it. This is almost certainly why Heilberg asked for the psych exams.

Is this true?.
Is Barb dead?
The suspense is killing me for February.
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From what we can guess, Chris is not forbidden from contacting Barb. The initial EPO expired at most two weeks after it was issued, and there's been no indication that a follow-up restraining order was issued (and that would have probably required Barb agreeing to it).

That said, since calls are monitored, their contents *could* be used as evidence.

Regarding Chris and his habit of stress sighing...

I know he's been a big fan of Peanuts all of his life, and there were quite a few comic strips from its heyday in the late 1950s and throughout the sixties where the punchline was one of the characters, usually Charlie Brown, looking towards the fourth wall and exclaiming "Sigh" after one of the other kids had either told them off or otherwise embarrassed them somehow.

Chris was probably gullible enough to think that most people reacted this way when confronted by difficult or humiliating situations. It may not have anything to do with his poor health, or any problems breathing.
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Lots of autists do this. It's an extremely common trait, learned from media. Children do this a *lot*, though the non-autistic ones grow out of it usually.

 

[AnOminous]

What would mitigation mean in the case of a serious crime like rape?

Maybe a jury takes mercy on him, finds him guilty of a lesser offense, or because there's probably not going to be a jury trial, the potential of such evidence getting raised gets him a better deal by playing the tard card.

I would like to clarify a few things. Psychotic disorders and ASD (autism spectrum) are subjects I've read a lot about over the years. Chris is not insane or psychotic by the clinical definition, notice I did call him *nearly* psychotic. He would have to be diagnosed with a disorder that would account for this, like schizophrenia or bipolar disorder.

Even if he were, there are people with lifelong schizophrenia who still are not found legally insane.

 

[GumballFapper]

Chris is neither psychotic, nor schizophrenic. His dimension bullshit is just maladaptive daydreaming, and a poor way of coping. If he suffered from psychotic delusions, the delusions would happen at random, not after he became upset. For example the sonichu bodyswap bullshit happened right after he heard the news of ponycon 2020 being cancelled, and his first "merge is happening" tweet was on the same day Barb got a debt lawsuit.

If you wanna compare chris with someone similar, you can compare him with fellow tard Randy Stair who also suffered from maladaptive daydreaming and thought that he can become one with his ghost waifu by shooting up a supermarket.

tl;dr Chris does not suffer from delusional disorders, he's a manchild with an overactive imagination

 

[Pointless Sperg]

Therefore, I believe the actual value of CWQ, were it all real, would be about W-Tokens to a single dollar, or 500 C-Tokens to 1USD. This falls far, far below Chris' own estimate that CWQ would be worth 2.50 USD.

You're missing the significance of Chris' stated exchange rate for C-Quarters. In Chris's world people use coins. Quarters are the largest coin denomination Chris has probably encountered (as dollar coins are mostly used only in large urban areas).

W-Quarters are ten C-Quarters. C-Quarters are *TEN US QUARTERS*.

i.e. in CWC's world, the unit of currency is decimalized, based on the most typical type of coin he knows.

W and C quarters are thus a stablecoin pegged to the US Quarter.

But of course, we're assuming that the coins aren't minted from a particularly valuable material or backed by a precious metal. Chris could easily handwave our estimations away by saying the coins are minted from magic JO crystals empowered by the chaos emeralds.

In Star Trek, the most common unit of currency is "gold-pressed latinum". The value of the gold is insignificant, it is merely a chemically-inert container for the liquid latinum within. Latinum is used as a store of value because it is unique in that it cannot be created via a matter replicator, and can only be mined from natural sources.

I posit that CWC quarters are metal vessels containing Chris' Navy, which is a resource mined at a known rate, thus having predictable seigniorage for Chris' administration. This means that Chris' "Department of the Navy" probably has a fiduciary responsibility very different from that of a similarly-titled office in most governments.

or because there's probably not going to be a jury trial, the potential of such evidence getting raised gets him a better deal by playing the tard card.

I believe this is exactly what is happening.

 

[A-№1]

he would probably test average on IQ/memory

Average? God help us if Chris is the average. That puts half the planet at worse then Chris.

Chris is below average. He's definitely impaired, but not profoundly so. Remember, Chris is not just autistic.

and this has probably stayed the same over years.

That is probably true, though his escapist fantasies have definitely accumulated.

the potential of such evidence getting raised gets him a better deal by playing the tard card.

What other card does he possibly have?

From what we can guess, Chris is not forbidden from contacting Barb.

Chris is permitted to call Barb, but Barb doesn't seem to be taking his calls lately. If Chris were forbidden, he wouldn't be asking for a wellness check.

 

[Hopkinsville Goblin]

You're missing the significance of Chris' stated exchange rate for C-Quarters. In Chris's world people use coins. Quarters are the largest coin denomination Chris has probably encountered (as dollar coins are mostly used only in large urban areas).

Are dollar coins really in common use in big cities?

In my town the laundromats and vending machines only take quarters and debit/credit cards. Before they took the cards the biggest machine cost $6.25 so you'd be stuck shoving 25 quarters into a slot one at a time. Also now there's an app now for the laundry machines.

About 15 years ago I lived in a different town and the presidential dollar coins were coming out, and the mint wanted people to actually use them, so they offered free shipping if you traded in your regular money for dollar coins if you ordered $200 or more. So I paid $200 for $200 worth of Thomas Jefferson dollars. There were a few presidents I could choose from but Jefferson was the one I picked. I didn't have a problem spending them like $1 bills. I hoped other people would follow suit, so we could have dollar coins like Canada, or the EU's euro coins. They did not follow suit. When an American encounters a dollar coin they hold on to it like it's made of gold and maybe bequeath it to a child as some sort of rare artifact. Some think it is literally made of gold, I have dated women who think they are made of gold. When I show them an ounce of gold bullion and tell them it's worth $1800 they don't believe me.

 

[Strangolapreti]

I wonder if chris chan has (or had) a furaffinity/e621 account, would be interesting if one finds it out

 

[Pointless Sperg]

Are dollar coins really in common use in big cities?

In my town the laundromats and vending machines only take quarters and debit/credit cards. Before they took the cards the biggest machine cost $6.25 so you'd be stuck shoving 25 quarters into a slot one at a time. Also now there's an app now for the laundry machines.

About 15 years ago I lived in a different town and the presidential dollar coins were coming out, and the mint wanted people to actually use them, so they offered free shipping if you traded in your regular money for dollar coins if you ordered $200 or more. So I paid $200 for $200 worth of Thomas Jefferson dollars. There were a few presidents I could choose from but Jefferson was the one I picked. I didn't have a problem spending them like $1 bills. I hoped other people would follow suit, so we could have dollar coins like Canada, or the EU's euro coins. They did not follow suit. When an American encounters a dollar coin they hold on to it like it's made of gold and maybe bequeath it to a child as some sort of rare artifact. Some think it is literally made of gold, I have dated women who think they are made of gold. When I show them an ounce of gold bullion and tell them it's worth $1800 they don't believe me.

A lot of public transit ticket machines dispense them as change. In cities where lots of people take transit, they often show up in circulation. Stores usually won't give them back to you in change, but occasionally will if their till is out of $1 bills. They're useful in that most vending machines accept them.

 

[TrippinKahlua]

I recently watched “The Act” on Hulu, and now I am convinced that someday I’m gonna be seeing a Netflix/Hulu/Streaming Service adaptation of this current case.

Even if it winds up not being a “documentary” on “The Life of Chris-Chan”, something just tells me that those in charge of writing those binge-worthy series on your favorite Streaming service have been eating the past six months up.

The Gypsy Blanchard case, at least as it is portrayed in “The Act” (no need to tell me the disclaimer in every episode) very similarly to the theme of “The Love Quest”, as Chris Chan portrayed it. Gypsy is quite clearly going through thoughts of sexuality and desire to be with someone.

Only difference between Gypsy & Dee Dee and Chris & Barb was that Chris, instead of desiring to kill her to “Be Free”, Chris had the penis to fuck her instead.

And I’ve seen all sorts of new content like “Lonely Feelings” Discord Chats. All these could be stretched for good television. I had no clue Chris had returned to the “Baaw I want a girlfriend” shit. People like @The American Hedgehog kept hammering so hard that the Idea Guys made him content and happy with being married to Magi-Chan, Mewtwo, Hair-Chest Rosechu and whoever else Chris wanted to claim involved. I can’t say I don’t blame anyone for thinking Chris really moved on from needing female companionship.

 

[Pickle Inspector]

I recently watched “The Act” on Hulu, and now I am convinced that someday I’m gonna be seeing a Netflix/Hulu/Streaming Service adaptation of this current case.

Even if it winds up not being a “documentary” on “The Life of Chris-Chan”, something just tells me that those in charge of writing those binge-worthy series on your favorite Streaming service have been eating the past six months up.

The Gypsy Blanchard case, at least as it is portrayed in “The Act” (no need to tell me the disclaimer in every episode) very similarly to the theme of “The Love Quest”, as Chris Chan portrayed it. Gypsy is quite clearly going through thoughts of sexuality and desire to be with someone.

Only difference between Gypsy & Dee Dee and Chris & Barb was that Chris, instead of desiring to kill her to “Be Free”, Chris had the penis to fuck her instead.

And I’ve seen all sorts of new content like “Lonely Feelings” Discord Chats. All these could be stretched for good television. I had no clue Chris had returned to the “Baaw I want a girlfriend” shit. People like @The American Hedgehog kept hammering so hard that the Idea Guys made him content and happy with being married to Magi-Chan, Mewtwo, Hair-Chest Rosechu and whoever else Chris wanted to claim involved. I can’t say I don’t blame anyone for thinking Chris really moved on from needing female companionship.

Yeah, I mean Chris publicly claimed to be content and it wasn’t like he was shy about telling the world how horny and lonely he was before.

But I think any mainstream old media company might need to wait until after Chris dies before they make a documentary about him though since it easily could be seen as exploiting a disabled trans woman which in the current climate would be a PR nightmare.

 

[Smithfield Ham]

Yeah, I mean Chris publicly claimed to be content and it wasn’t like he was shy about telling the world how horny and lonely he was before.

But I think any mainstream old media company might need to wait until after Chris dies before they make a documentary about him though since it easily could be seen as exploiting a disabled trans woman which in the current climate would be a PR nightmare.

Once you rape your elderly mom, all bets are off. People don't give a shit as long as you remember to use the "correct" pronouns.

 

[TrippinKahlua]

Yeah, I mean Chris publicly claimed to be content and it wasn’t like he was shy about telling the world how horny and lonely he was before.

But I think any mainstream old media company might need to wait until after Chris dies before they make a documentary about him though since it easily could be seen as exploiting a disabled trans woman which in the current climate would be a PR nightmare.

I think just like how a lot of exaggeration is done in these series to begin with, why not ignore the transdom to begin with?

He’s bang his own mom even in the striped clown shirts.

 

[Pointless Sperg]

Yeah, I mean Chris publicly claimed to be content and it wasn’t like he was shy about telling the world how horny and lonely he was before.

But I think any mainstream old media company might need to wait until after Chris dies before they make a documentary about him though since it easily could be seen as exploiting a disabled trans woman which in the current climate would be a PR nightmare.

Selling the rights to a book/movie would be one of the few ways Chris could still raise money. Son of Sam laws have been ruled mostly unconstitutional, so that won't stop him. (They've mostly been replaced by laws that make it easier for victims to get the money in a civil suit, but Barb isn't going to sue Chris. Cole might sue on behalf of Barb if Barb dies, but they're both Barb's heirs so....)