Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

How well is the combat this going for Russia?

  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Blyatskrieg

    Votes: 46 6.6%
  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐ A well planned strike with few faults

    Votes: 45 6.5%
  • ⭐⭐⭐ Competent attack with some upsets

    Votes: 292 42.1%
  • ⭐⭐ Worse than expected

    Votes: 269 38.8%
  • ⭐ Ukraine takes back Crimea 2022

    Votes: 42 6.1%

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Spicy take.
Nezygar writes: “The Russian plan was generally successful: the United States and NATO gave assurances that Ukraine would not become a member of NATO in the near future, that NATO combat groups would not be stationed in Ukraine, that Western military-technical cooperation would not be activated, and negotiations would begin to reduce nuclear weapons. On the whole, magnificent for Russia, - experts.

Do I understand correctly that this was the expected "small victorious war"? NATO protected Ukraine from invasion, and the Russian Federation ensured that Ukraine would not yet join NATO. They drove trains with tanks back and forth and everyone won. Well done!

And now all the ministerial posts in the "occupation government" have already been sold.
 
The major indicator to me is that the Russians refuse to budge on their original statement of “all of Eastern Europe out of NATO.” All of it.
Because Pynia did not intend to have any sort of conversation about it whatsoever. For him, the time to act is now. He made his mind a long time ago and right now, he's just exhibiting a classical gopnik approach - overwhelm the victim by outlandish and brash demands and then just take everything while "terpila" lies down on the ground unconscious.

Also, lol at Badungus bringing Telegram "experts" from the vatnik/keyboard military community. They are usually quite dispassionate on Syria but any time any sort of Telegram channel does "analysis" about Ukraine and Ukrainian question, it's just an unending stream of Kremlin apologia.
 
Also, lol at Badungus bringing Telegram "experts" from the vatnik/keyboard military community. They are usually quite dispassionate on Syria but any time any sort of Telegram channel does "analysis" about Ukraine and Ukrainian question, it's just an unending stream of Kremlin apologia.
That one is from Odessa actually. But what about it isn't true? Russia got what they wanted, why bother invading and occupying useless land? Just because Biden is pushing them to go to war? Fuck him, nobody needs to die over his business in Ukraine.

Why occupy? Having a land bridge to Transnistria is a waste of effort once you realize what Transistria's value to Russia is. As for Burisma and evidence of Biden's shenanigans, there is no magic hard drive in Kiev with Biden's data that Putin needs to capture or something, all that shit was already exfiltrated by cybersecurity experts long ago.
 
That one is from Odessa actually. But what about it isn't true? Russia got what they wanted, why bother invading and occupying useless land? Just because Biden is pushing them to go to war? Fuck him, nobody needs to die over his business in Ukraine.
My friend, in case you're not being serious, I have some free advice for you: if you keep "trolling" people by being retarded, at some point people will genuinely assume that you are retarded. See HHH.
 
My friend, in case you're not being serious, I have some free advice for you: if you keep "trolling" people by being retarded, at some point people will genuinely assume that you are retarded. See HHH.
Do you really believe the shit that Ukrainian TV tells you? Putin isn't trying to rebuild the Soviet Union and has no interest in holding on to Ukraine, it's too much of a liability. He needed assurance that NATO won't place missile bases right across their borders and now he's got it. Now Putin, Biden, and Zelensky get to go home looking like big swinging dicks and say how they prevented a war. Of course certain elements in the US MIC aren't happy because they got some bombs close to their expiry date, but oh well, they'll manage.
 
Do you really believe the shit that Ukrainian TV tells you? Putin isn't trying to rebuild the Soviet Union and has no interest in holding on to Ukraine, it's too much of a liability. He needed assurance that NATO won't place missile bases right across their borders and now he's got it. Now Putin, Biden, and Zelensky get to go home looking like a big swinging dick and say how they prevented a war.
Except he was told to fuck off with his demands. Nobody ever implied anything about the rockets but the NATO is not going to guarantee that Ukraine isn't going to join it in the future.
Also, keeping 120 thousand troops just to negotiate, all the while ratcheting up the aggressive rhetoric without accomplishing anything is retarded and a waste of money. But nice try.
 
So have there been any actual changes in the security situation in Ukraine since last year, or is it just more shidding and farding over Russian troop exercises on their own land and in the land of their allies?
So far only the Russian MoFA was seething and coping about BAD BAD NATO, AWFUL BANDERITES and ANGLOIDS.
 
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That one is from Odessa actually. But what about it isn't true? Russia got what they wanted, why bother invading and occupying useless land? Just because Biden is pushing them to go to war? Fuck him, nobody needs to die over his business in Ukraine.

What DID they get?

NATO gave assurances that Ukraine would not become a member of NATO in the near future

can you please stop shoveling this shit that was covered a million times in this thread? I said it, Stoltenburg said, Blinked said it, German foreign minister said it, read the fucking NATO charter ... a country with active territorial dispute can't join NATO, which means both Georgia and Ukraine.

Russian ultimatum revolves around written guarantees that Ukraine and Georgia will not be allowed in NATO, (i.e. no matter disputes or not, just flat out you can't join us"

Time and time again, this was repeated that 1. NATO is unanimous about this issue 2. NATO respects country's self determination on joining NATO, i.e. "open door policy"


why do we have to shit up this thread bringing up this nonsense?

So far only the Russian MoFA was seething and coping about BAD BAD NATO, AWFUL BANDERITES and ANGLOIDS.

The proper term used on Russian TV is "anglo-saxes" ... I think that Russians skipped the whole Norman invasion period.
 
What DID they get?



can you please stop shoveling this shit that was covered a million times in this thread? I said it, Stoltenburg said, Blinked said it, German foreign minister said it, read the fucking NATO charter ... a country with active territorial dispute can't join NATO, which means both Georgia and Ukraine.

Russian ultimatum revolves around written guarantees that Ukraine and Georgia will not be allowed in NATO, (i.e. no matter disputes or not, just flat out you can't join us"

Time and time again, this was repeated that 1. NATO is unanimous about this issue 2. NATO respects country's self determination on joining NATO, i.e. "open door policy"


why do we have to shit up this thread bringing up this nonsense?



The proper term used on Russian TV is "anglo-saxes" ... I think that Russians skipped the whole Norman invasion period.
Look, NATO is not going to send out a public release saying "we got cucked by Putin and we're abandoning our open door policy." How do you think it will go over in the Baltics and the rest of the non-contributing NATO member nations? Instead they'll come to an agreement with Russia behind closed doors to allow them to use some technicality to keep Ukraine and Georgia out of NATO. It's all optics and backroom politics, nobody gonna tell some fucking plebs on TV what is actually going on until it's way too late for them to do something about it.

Think of it as a magic show. Don't listen to the announcer, just watch their hands and pay attention to what's going to happen next.

Or do you seriously believe that the most realistic scenario is that Ukraine goes to war with Russia, NATO joins, together they win, arrest Putin for war crimes, and throw all the Jews down the well?
 
With one hand NATO "will work out a deal" to keep us out and with another it arms us. Why, pray tell, would they do that?
To keep you quiet while they look for a hole to fuck you in?

Come on, do you really think that some obsolete anti-tank rocket launchers will help against Russian airstrikes and artillery? Russian doctrine suggests the attack will start with paratroopers capturing vital infrastructure inside the country, along with sabotage and reconnaissance groups operating behind enemy lines. Combination of that and various physical and cyber attacks on Ukrainian military infrastructure will render the Ukrainian army literally blind.

It's not WW2, an attack will not begin with a blitz of tanks across fortified trenches, lol.
 
It's weird how the US government is publicly insisting Ukraine is gonna be invaded while the Ukrainian government are saying lol no. Much as this thread is a blueball experience, I hope the Ukies are right.
We hope for the peaceful solution without mutt interference as well. But of course ol' pedo Joe "Brandon" will keep insist that Vlad "flee" will dunk on Vlad "shmurdyak" (or however the fuck Zelensky's /pol/ alias is. Yet it is unfortunate that kiwibros like Borya feel an urrge to have a war in the house. For what fucking cause, again?

Invasion is off, they have a buster sword
Bruh lol, this is golden. :story:

Also it seems like Biden is really off his meds, the man is absolutely delusional.
YOU THINK?! :biggrin:

His handlers are letting him just run amok now and say whatever wild shit comes to his dementia-addled brain. There's nothing they can do to prevent the collapse of the Biden administration.
Hardly disagree there though, they CAN save the admin, but for that they need to eitherr silence Joe in classy manner (JFK manner, to be correct) OR mange to get them out of radar by tell things as is, that he become not healthy enough to keep handle the POTUS post, so let Kamala\AOS\ whoever the fuck they have as a backup plan and just roll with it.
Neither us nor Russians let troons serve.
Right, because that would be a death sentence and instant surrender, betrayal, all this shit.

If the russkies are sending hospitals, then it's actually happening.
Happening what, though? Something good or something bad? I don't take "yes" as a certain answer here.

There is talk that this is an elaborate ruse to ensure that there are plentiful Russian forces spread over Belarus in support of a Batka-ndectomy and the annexation of Belarus, but i don't think Putin would sink his credibility that much for such a marginal gain given Belarus is practically in his pocket already.
For starters, what exact benefit it will get us? Literally zero benefit. Don't get me wrong, Belorussia is a good place if you don't count the govt, buuuuut...

staying in Belarus may be just as good if not better.
For tax raise for yet another 5-10% and basic needs and other stuff to get even more expensive because of new territories? No thank you kindly, I'd rather pass. But of course, who's gonna askin'.

The millennials running the white house are about to unfriend Ukraine because they can't even?
only one word: kek.

Kolomoisky's bitch,
Ох ебать, не слышал этой фамилии годами. Мистер Хуцпах ещё живой? Охуеть.

There we go, we've reached the usual stage of the classic Ukrainian cope. "Why am I poor, why do I steal, why do I drink? Why is my country so shit? It must be the Jews!"
Not moscovites? fucking lame!

I think this is all just a test to push Biden, stress him the fuck out.
... Ahem, so they are planning to cause a stroke for poor Joe the rid hair sniffer. Okay, that's not what I'd expect from dems but, okay?

What a fucking asshole lol
And yet, he's not wrong here, I give him that. :suffering:
Though that's the violation of law anyway.

By all accounts, Kolomoysky is a VERY unpleasant person. He was interviewed by a notorious Ukrainian interviewer and judging by how he responded to questions, I believe that.
Which one? Diffenetely not Shariy (lol), Oles'... um, forgot his second name, that one guy is long time dead for a fact he haven't walked along with the party's line of propaganda, who else from notorious ones? I don't recally that Lumpen Show host to be an interviewer, however he does have such a skill.
Do you really believe the shit that Ukrainian TV tells you?
Boy, oh boy, do I have some news for ya... :story:

Of course certain elements in the US MIC aren't happy because they got some bombs close to their expiry date,
It's not like there are no uninhabited islands in the middle of nowhere to drop them there but, what's the fun to do so then, right?
 
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Happening what, though? Something good or something bad? I don't take "yes" as a certain answer here.
That means Pynia is ready for an assault. The final touch is always hospitals, to ensure that wounded aren't airlifted too far.

Which one? Diffenetely not Shariy (lol), Oles'... um, forgot his second name, that one guy is long time dead for a fact he haven't walked along with the party's line of propaganda, who else from notorious ones? I don't recally that Lumpen Show host to be an interviewer, however he does have such a skill.
Dmitry Gordon.
 
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Except nobody is going anywhere just yet. That's what everybody is actually concerned about.
Judging from NATO and US reactions it sounds like they have a fairly established timeline already. Another week or two of this kind of media circus, then either an escalation or (more realistically) everyone backs down.

For now the media will milk this crisis as much as possible. Next step is blaming supply chain disruptions on Russia.
Edit: Looks like they're preparing the public already. Note bolded part.

Wall Street Briefed by Biden Team on Possible Russia Sanctions​

  • Citi, BofA, JPMorgan are among firms involved in discussions
  • U.S. and allies hoping to prevent Russian invasion of Ukraine

The Biden administration held discussions with the country’s largest banks on possible sanctions against Russia as part of its efforts to ensure such actions won’t disrupt the global financial system.
Members of the National Security Council and other senior administration officials this week spoke with executives from banks including Citigroup Inc., Bank of America Corp., JPMorgan Chase & Co. and Goldman Sachs Group Inc. as they assess how to proceed, according to people familiar with the matter.
Tensions have soared after Russia amassed tens of thousands of troops on Ukraine’s border. While officials in Moscow have repeatedly said they have no intention of invading the country, Western allies are discussing a variety of measures should activity escalate.
The U.S. and European Union are honing in on a package that would include targeting Moscow’s ability to convert currency. While energy penalties and cutting off access to the Swift system, which manages 42 million orders a day for payments, are on the table, Swift is considered the nuclear option and the most divisive. One person familiar with the discussions said it’s coming up only occasionally in talks between the administration and the banks, as the lenders ask whether such a measure is likely.
“Implications for global trade and the financial markets must be a major consideration for policy makers,” Tomasz Noetzel and Jonathan Tyce, analysts at Bloomberg Intelligence, said in a research report. “Russia is one of the largest exporters of oil and gas, and relies on the system to settle dollar-denominated bills.”

One person familiar with the matter said Biden administration officials have told the banks they’re concerned about possible spillover effects similar to what happened in 2018, when sanctions against Russia disrupted the global supply chain for aluminum and sent prices for the metal soaring 30%. Those measures hit United Co. Rusal especially hard, limiting its access to the $140 billion global aluminum industry.
Officials from the Treasury Department’s Office of Foreign Assets Control -- which administers and enforces economic sanctions -- have also been involved in the discussions with lenders, the people said, asking not to be named talking about internal deliberations of the administration.
“We have been very clear that if Russia further invades Ukraine, the United States is looking at a range of options -- with allies and partners -- to deliver severe costs to the Russian economy,” a Treasury spokesperson said in a written statement. “Assessing potential spillovers and exploring ways to reduce those spillovers is good governance and standard practice.”

Representatives of the banks declined to comment.
American banks have a relatively small exposure to Russia. Of the three largest U.S. banks, just one -- Citigroup -- breaks out its exposure to the nation.
 
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