Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

[The Last Boyscout]

One big mistake, imho, people think that Putin is one person who makes the decisions, while in reality he is a figure head (always been) and is torn between his closest circle (like Patrushev et al) of x-Soviet glory war hawks vs oligarchs who just want to grill.

If you assume that to be true, the schizoid behavior of "Vlad" makes more sense. You have lunatic ultimatums to roll back NATO membership to 1997 borders interspersed with concessions. There is no unified front on what Russia wants. Lavrov sais one thing, his zam says another, state media changes its narrative on daily basis. You can build any narrative and cherry pick Russian voices to support your point.


One thing that's always certain, you can never trust Russian official narrative, not even by typical political standards. When you have head of the country says that those are not his soldiers, then it's military advisors only to local self-defense forces (with all evidence pointing to contrary) then it's full on, yes, we were there all along. How can you make sense of the country's intent then, anything that comes out of Cremlin may as well be discarded as lies.

I honestly think it's just this tactic of theirs, put into praxis:

 

[YourFriendlyLurker]

I wonder if the UK has enough balls to do that. Being unable to get your kids the living permit in a decent country is so much more painful then any "sactions" and "deep concern" . There is nothing more frightening for Russian oigarchs then the perspective to end up in Russia till the end of their days.

 

[Meat Target]

After years of vehemently denying that false flags exist, it is supreme lulz that they would play this card.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

Is this species even capable of running a world without turning it into a craphole?

(at least not all are bad and it's not too bad everywhere though)

 

[Meat Target]

The ball-busting thing for me is how Biden('s handlers) are more concerned with Ukrainian borders than American borders.

They care more about a-logging Putin than they do the wellbeing of the United States. And for what? To defend the handful of homos and trannies in Russia? Because they can't admit they lied about Muh Russian Collushun? To keep their money-laundering hub open?

(I'm not defending Putin by any means, I can just see that this is a naked attempt at wagging the dog.)

 

[дядя Боря]

The ball-busting thing for me is how Biden('s handlers) are more concerned with Ukrainian borders than American borders.

They care more about a-logging Putin than they do the wellbeing of the United States. And for what? To defend the handful of homos and trannies in Russia? Because they can't admit they lied about Muh Russian Collushun? To keep their money-laundering hub open?

(I'm not defending Putin by any means, I can just see that this is a naked attempt at wagging the dog.)

Biden is not working you (if you are a burger), you work for Biden. Need to change your perspective bud.

The real issue with "borders" is the rulebook coming out of post WWII/korea and some Vietnam that annexing land a la 19th century is bad juju. You can have proxy wars, you can have economic wars, but outright invading neighboring country isn't great for business and making money, even if your business is war. CCP can murder many times population of Taiwan, and they do, but invading Taiwan physically is a no go. That's a different kind of turf wars that elites don't want to deal with.

This is that perfectly explains why Russia has regular troops and equipment in Donbass, has engaged Ukraine forces resulting in mild displeasure of the West and endless run-around. All sanctions that were ever placed on Russia are in responce to annexation of Crimea, an annexation that was mostly bloodless.

 

[Meat Target]

All sanctions that were ever placed on Russia are in responce to annexation of Crimea, an annexation that was mostly bloodless.

Is that why I didn't hear the same histrionic panicking about this back in 2014 that I do today?

 

[EyeGuy]

"You're the Jew!"
"No, you're the Jew!"

Stefan Bandera - baptized Jew, Uniate. Greek Catholic from the village of Ugryniv Stary near Kalush, who was born during the Austro-Hungarian rule in Galicia.

Father: Adrian Bandera is a Greek Catholic from the bourgeois family of Moishe and Rosalia (nee Beletskaya, a Polish Jew by nationality) Bander. Rose is a typical Ukrainian name, but what about Bandera?

Mother: Miroslava Glodzinskaya is a Polish Jewess, such Jews are also called GALACHIC, that is, by their mother.

Stefan was the second child after Martha's older sister.

Attention, the question: WHERE does a Slav (supposedly) get the surname BANDERA. If not from the Romanians, then at least from the word "bander (sha)", i.e. Jew (ka) - owner (prostitute) of a brothel.
And the explanation about the origin of his surname turns out to be simple. Modern Ukronazis translate it as "banner", but in Yiddish it means "brothel". And this is not a Slavic surname or a Ukrainian one. This is the trampled nickname of the woman who owned the brothel. Such women were called bandersh in Ukraine. According to the custom of the Jewish people to pass on the nationality according to her mother, and not according to her father, she passed her filthy surname (sorry, so in the text from the author - approx. A.) to one of the male ancestors of Stepan Bandera. Most likely - to Stepan himself. Yes, and the portrait of Stefan Bander himself leaves no doubt about his genetic Jewishness: with an increase of 159 centimeters and with Front Asian facial features, there is no question:

Raised nose wings.
Curved tip of the nose along a large radius.
Strongly recessed lower jaw.
Lower eyelid with a roller.
Closed eyes (this is already from other photographs, but here the signs of such are obvious) represent the surface of the ball.
The anterior border of the hairline is clearly visible. Not a straight line, but there are bald patches.
Triangular shape of the skull, with the back of the head hanging over the neck. Also a characteristic feature.
Ears - crooked and protruding.
Stepan, the direct heir of S. Bandera, his grandson and full namesake, said that “in his childhood he often went to the Toronto synagogue,” making excuses, as if he studied world religions as part of the school curriculum. But “more often we went to fight with the Poles,” Bandera added. According to him, a "Jewish theme" was never raised in the house; they did not talk about the Jews at all. Apparently, in the house of a hanged man it is not customary to talk about a rope.

 

[murdered meat bag]

is there active shelling going on? or is the msm playing up the kindergarten hole?

 

[Borscht]

is there active shelling going on? or is the msm playing up the kindergarten hole?

Just the kindergarden hole, at least for now.

Meanwhile, Kyiv is calling to resume negotiations in the Normandy format (Russia-Ukraine-France-Germany). Not sure what they want to achieve, because Putin continues to insist on implementing the Minsk agreements, Zelensky refuses to negotiate with "terrorists" and neither side will budge on the issue.

 

[Sexual Chocolate]

You have lunatic ultimatums to roll back NATO membership to 1997 borders interspersed with concessions.

Pretty sure they never expected NATO to go back to the 90's (tho the 90's were awesome and that would be great). Negotiations often start with both parties demanding their wildest dreams come true before settling for a DVD copy of Mortal Kombat: Annihilation and a handjob

After years of vehemently denying that false flags exist, it is supreme lulz that they would play this card.

Also the senile gerontology regime openly talking about "crisis actors", after Alex Jones got banned from the internet for talking about "crisis actors". Something went wrong with the fabric of reality when the trannies DDOSed the Farms and we've slipped into the gay frog / Qanon dimension

 

[YourFriendlyLurker]

What would military genius kiwis say about that glorious attack plan?

Spoiler: The map with arrows

Sause: https://twitter.com/DefenceHQ/status/1494315294382297091/photo/1

 

[Borscht]

What would military genius kiwis say about that glorious attack plan?

Lacks huge big massive thick pulsing arrow pointing straight down at Istanbul as Phase 3.

Retake Constantinople!

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

What would military genius kiwis say about that glorious attack plan?
Sause: https://twitter.com/DefenceHQ/status/1494315294382297091/photo/1

Could say that Eastern Ukraine has the potential to get encircled or forced to retreat to prevent that. Kyiv is obviously a strategic point not only because it's the capital but because of the Dneiper river which is why they're gonna meet at Dnipro probably for the same reason. Doubt those bridges will still be up by the time the Russians get there though.

 

[Smug Chuckler]

Well a military genius wouldn't post what he thinks that his enemy would do on twitter for starters.

 

[Hollywood Hitler]

After years of vehemently denying that false flags exist, it is supreme lulz that they would play this card.

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Biden should cool it with the conspiracy theories.

 

[draggs]

Biden should cool it with the conspiracy theories.

Case number ten million of it's literally worse than Hitler deadly danger to our sacred democracy

EXCEPT WHEN WE DO IT LOL SWEATIES

 

[Netizennameless]

You're looking at generation where majority of sheep are born post 2001 and are likely to be troons.

Pro war boomers are no different with "We got to defend freedoms!"

American MSM is shilling this shit so hard.

I live stones throw away from Ukraine. Russian power posturing is nothing new there are thousands of ruskie troops on the land border and black sea.

For people in former eastern bloc and Ukraine this is nothing new.

UN stirred shit, local election meddling and Ukraine ultra nationalists doing their thing.

Prediction: A nothing burger as much I'd love to see nuclear apocalypse just like the next guy.

This is completely ridiculous. Even now, trannies are 0.7% of the population. They are the definition of overrepresentation.

 

[Netizennameless]

Russia isn't going to invade Ukraine, and the USA certainly isn't going to be going to war with Russia over Ukraine. It's all political theatre.

Russia under Putin is a miserable kleptocracy, desperate to remain relevant against a backdrop of political and economic decline: it has an expanding NATO/EU to it's West, an expanding China to it's East, an economy which is largely dependent upon natural gas, and a massive brain drain which is only going to grow more dire as the country's predicament becomes continuously more precarious.

Putin's grandstanding over Ukraine's political allegiance is understandable from the standpoint of political expediency, but in the end it amounts to little more than a tactic to distract his people from the realities of their country's stagnation under his leadership, and while Russia is still militarily formidable, an invasion of Ukraine is not a gamble which is going to work out for Russia; not militarily, and certainly not economically or politically.

As for the United States: the US wants to be seen to be taking a hard line on Russian belligerence, which makes sense from the standpoint of upholding international trust in NATO, but ultimately, America needs to tread very carefully. Ukraine is on Russia's doorstep, and although an overly antagonistic move by Russia would likely backfire, a too heavy-handed response by Washington would likely backfire even harder.

America has a habit of overestimating it's military capabilities, and we've seen the devastating result of that in Afghanistan. I hope that somebody important takes heed of that, because Ukraine/Russia is in a different league altogether.

Your last paragraph makes me question everything else about your analysis. Our military capabilities are second to none. We ran the taliban into their caves and out of government in weeks. Same in Iraq. The biggest impediment to taking territory is often the speed of our tanks.

What happened in Afghanistan is when your enemy and the people you are defending are the same people. We can kill every last afghani on earth with ease, but we cannot force democracy on a people who don't want it.

TLDR: American military can kill anything or anyone on earth. It doesn't do so well when the task is diplomacy and that's the truth.

 

[The Last Boyscout]

What would military genius kiwis say about that glorious attack plan?

Spoiler: The map with arrows

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Sause: https://twitter.com/DefenceHQ/status/1494315294382297091/photo/1

phase 1 is achievable at most, and even that will be a major pain the ass for them to hold in any kind of long run. Kiev is not included in that, since capturing it would be a very long and very bloody affair and I'm p certain Putin would prefer another Odessa-style lighting quick push and then just hold with nothing much happening.

all of this assumes ofc that Putin didn't just hold massive exercises as a big trololo move to rile up the west and is quite content in watching foreign money flee Ukraine as they suffer because of western media panicking like it's WW3...until next year maybe, when they'll repeat the moves but this time for reals and will be able to do so much quicker because of the current dress rehersal...who knows...maybe so maybe no.