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this is true, but as the years go on, competency seems to be dropping.
Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority
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Why the fuck do the Russians start shooting and bombing shit over Donetsk? They aren't hard to make, they're basically just fried bread, like cheburek only not filled with meat. I thought the Russians had tons of chinks anyways, you'd think they would have opened up a few shops by now.
Sexual Chocolate
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The US military is in typical late-stage imperial decline mode. It's still more than capable of eternally buttfucking most third world countries and could seriously ruin any other first world country's day, but can no longer sustain a long campaign against a near-peer adversary. Probably couldn't sustain another Vietnam type conflict.
DC seems to be schizophrenic about this, simultaneously appearing to understand the limits of what can realistically be done (if they were confident about being able to beat Ivan they'd be sending troops to our new greatest ally and daring Putin to try something, not pulling them out) and also apparently trying to meme a war into happening via social media rumors.
Idk how connected to reality or otherwise the Kremlin is, but they should know that invading Ukraine would bring them into a world of shit. Ukies don't seem like the kind of people who would just roll over for a Russian occupation. Neither Russia or Nato can "win" by fighting a war over this, so we'll probably get more of the same extremely tedious and gay game of chicken instead.
дядя Боря
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all right, enough shitposting, some real news here
Russia has handed their response to US/NATO proposal handed to them earlier. The response was given to US ambassador in Moscow and will be made public few hours later, so we are told.
This was like 6-7 hours ago, still don't see the text, but various news sources report that Russia doubles down on 1997 messages as well as threatens to implement "military-technical" solutions if demands are not met.
The interesting history of 1997 demand ... When Lavrov presented the "ultimatum" in December, it essentially asked for assurances that neither Ukraine nor Georgia would be voted into NATO. The message that NATO need to back out to the borders of 1997 (kicking out Baltic states and some other EU countries) was voiced by Lavrov's second in command, one level below, but the demand itself is far more reaching.
To address people in this thread saying that you want to reach for the moon and settle for less ... that only works in PRIVATE negotiations, not public. If you make that demand publicly and get flat out rejection, it counts as rejection no matter what concessions you achieve, you still fail publicly, so your goals better be realistic and you need to back up your threats unless you want to look like low life street thug.
The second time topic of 1997 was brought up was in Scholz' Putin visit, few days ago by Putin himself in the presser ... again, pay attention to who makes the demand and strength of the messages.
Supposedly there is more on 1997 demand in the recent response that Lavrov just handed out.
Russia has handed their response to US/NATO proposal handed to them earlier. The response was given to US ambassador in Moscow and will be made public few hours later, so we are told.
This was like 6-7 hours ago, still don't see the text, but various news sources report that Russia doubles down on 1997 messages as well as threatens to implement "military-technical" solutions if demands are not met.
The interesting history of 1997 demand ... When Lavrov presented the "ultimatum" in December, it essentially asked for assurances that neither Ukraine nor Georgia would be voted into NATO. The message that NATO need to back out to the borders of 1997 (kicking out Baltic states and some other EU countries) was voiced by Lavrov's second in command, one level below, but the demand itself is far more reaching.
To address people in this thread saying that you want to reach for the moon and settle for less ... that only works in PRIVATE negotiations, not public. If you make that demand publicly and get flat out rejection, it counts as rejection no matter what concessions you achieve, you still fail publicly, so your goals better be realistic and you need to back up your threats unless you want to look like low life street thug.
The second time topic of 1997 was brought up was in Scholz' Putin visit, few days ago by Putin himself in the presser ... again, pay attention to who makes the demand and strength of the messages.
Supposedly there is more on 1997 demand in the recent response that Lavrov just handed out.
Jordi El Nino Polla
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NATO needs to fall back to its 1997 borders? Sounds good to me.
But let's trade Germany for Poland.
But let's trade Germany for Poland.
дядя Боря
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Russia expels 2nd to US ambassador in Moscow, Bart Gorman:
US vows to retaliate.
US vows to retaliate.
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Didn't we PNG a bunch of Russia's embassy staff a few weeks ago? I'm too lazy to search it right now, but if my memory is correct (which is questionable these days, I admit) then this is a pretty damned measured response by the Russkies...
Only A Retard Sometimes
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they were expelled in april of last year.
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Whew. Time flies when you're having fun, eh?
дядя Боря
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That was planned waaaay back, almost to Obama years, but yes, 27 left just few weeks back with 27 more by July this year. Those are fairly low level people, more in line of reducing staff of the embassy. I also believe that US took some properties that belonged to Russia on US soil.
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Alex Jones wasn't crazy, he was just ahead of the curve.Also the senile gerontology regime openly talking about "crisis actors", after Alex Jones got banned from the internet for talking about "crisis actors". Something went wrong with the fabric of reality when the trannies DDOSed the Farms and we've slipped into the gay frog / Qanon dimension
And who cares about that? You can manufacture any image for yourself on the territory you control and on the territories you don't control your enemies will manufacture that image for you. There is no such a thing as failing publicly to any consequence today, unless you don't hold your local mass media in a grip.
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The Jewish community in Uman (legitimate nutcases) have allegedly requested weapons from the Ukrainian military and are planning to start training next week:
No way this can go wrong.
No way this can go wrong.
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You can have the most powerful military on the planet and still fatally misjudge it's capabilities, as the last 20 years of America's foreign entanglements demonstrate. The Bush administration went into Afghanistan and Iraq with the intention of using military intervention to stamp out terrorism and turn the two countries into pro-Western democracies; if that wasn't an example of America overestimating it's military's capabilities then I don't know what is.
It's easy to destroy things and force your enemies into hiding when you have a massive technological advantage and your enemies are either Kalashnikov-wielding poppy farmers or a glorified praetorian guard masquerading as an army. In Russia/Ukraine, the calculous shifts significantly, as Russia has a competent, modern military, and a huge logistical advantage with Ukraine on it's doorstep. If Washington were to decide to get aggressive in Ukraine, the odds would not be in America's favor.
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Ukraine JDF.
Not something I thought I would read today.
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Anyone willing to fight and die in Washington's Army in the year of our Lord 2022, in a war, is a fool. If you're not an LGBTQ Black woman, they don't want you for anything but cannon fodder anyway. If the modern U.S. army had to fight World War 2 with the same weapons of that era, Hawaii would be Japanese now.
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Russia put nuclear forces on alert and has their puppets evacuating parts of the Donbas. They e likely decided to go in.
Sexual Chocolate
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I mean, this is true, but they don't give a shit about LGBTQIAWTF black trans Muslim cripples either, the people running the US government don't even believe in countries anymore. The diversity stuff is partly virtue autofellatio, partly an expression of their class hostility to flyover whites, the latter being one of the main animating forces in Current Year politics across the Western world.
GlobalstarFM69
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Weird shit happening right now in Donetsk
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I expect combat kino on my desk by Monday.
Only A Retard Sometimes
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