Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

[LillWeeb]

Russia never installed faggots or trannies in my government, Russia never made my government love niggers and Mexicans, Russia never spied on me or murdered people with all the tax dollars that my government extracts from us, Russia are not persecuting Julian Assange and Edward Snowden (In fact Russia has been sheltering Snowden for the better part of a decade), Russia never enacted gun bans, Russians have never done anything that negatively affected my life while the American Government has made my life undeniably worse.

Why am I supposed to care if Russia oppresses the faggot lovers and liberals who if they had their way would turn Russia into a carbon copy of America?

All in all, Death to America, Death to The Ukraine, May Donbass be liberated and may Russia be Victorious

Completely agree don't die or fight for globohomo.

 

[Jump]

Gas is not going to go to $10/gallon. The US produces enough oil to meet its own demand and the president has unilateral power to control or even outright ban oil exports. Add in Canada and Mexico to the mix (neither of which are slouches when it comes to petroleum production), and things in North America will be fine.

The problem is that in order to act on this, Biden will essentially have to leave some US allies out in the cold. Which is not going to be an easy policy to swallow.

The left would love gas to go to $10/gal and Russia take the blame for it. It would help them push the EV meme and the poors on to mass transit.

 

[Sexual Chocolate]

I do wonder how the mooted Ukranian partisan movement will fare

Eh, there's no point in a partisan movement unless the Russians invade the parts of Ukraine that don't want to be invaded. Ukies may as well cut their losses on the breakaway republics, really isn't worth trying to force them to be Ukrainian if they don't wanna be and the rest of the country is better off without them.

It's funny seeing everyone on page 50 saying that the chances of russian invading was bassicaly zero.

Call me but it still is. Russia will probably regret sticking the tip into some disputed borderlands that have been fighting a civil war for 8 years, but at least they can say those guys want Russia to "peacekeep". And they don't seem to be lying about that.

Whole different thing if they move on Kiev and do a proper invasion against the Ukrainian army. People laughed at Biden but there actually is a big difference between a "minor incursion" and a WW2 style war of conquest against entrenched forces who will fight them to the death.

Russia would probably win the invasion part of the conflict and then lose the war, badly. They'd be far more of a pariah state than Nazi Germany was in 1940 - at least the Germans had allies, Russia would be isolated by everyone except Belarus and trying to maintain control over 40 million people who hate their guts while the entire Western community funnels guns to the Ukie resistance and all their major trading partners cut them off wouldn't end well for Ivan.

 

[Richardface]

Russia is taking everything east of the Dnieper and the invasion won't be tanks charging across the border, it will be the Ukrainian army being obliterated by long range missiles and air attack first as the Russians learned from watching the Americans do it

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

Russia is taking everything east of the Dnieper and the invasion won't be tanks charging across the border, it will be the Ukrainian army being obliterated by long range missiles and air attack first as the Russians learned from watching the Americans do it

Some parts in the east and south will voluntarily surrender or call a "referendum" to join. The morale of the population is extremely low and a lot of people would prefer to join the winning side and avoid bloodshed. The government in Kiev is weak, nobody wants to fight for that clown.

 

[Toothpaste]

Sounds like they're prepping for a, uh, what was the term Joe Biden used? Minor incursion? That's about it. Possibly just a retaliatory artillery/missile/drone strike.

Lots of heavy artillery heading to the border. Not sure where this is from.

 

[Richardface]

Eh, there's no point in a partisan movement unless the Russians invade the parts of Ukraine that don't want to be invaded. Ukies may as well cut their losses on the breakaway republics, really isn't worth trying to force them to be Ukrainian if they don't wanna be and the rest of the country is better off without them.



Call me but it still is. Russia will probably regret sticking the tip into some disputed borderlands that have been fighting a civil war for 8 years, but at least they can say those guys want Russia to "peacekeep". And they don't seem to be lying about that.

Whole different thing if they move on Kiev and do a proper invasion against the Ukrainian army. People laughed at Biden but there actually is a big difference between a "minor incursion" and a WW2 style war of conquest against entrenched forces who will fight them to the death.

Russia would probably win the invasion part of the conflict and then lose the war, badly. They'd be far more of a pariah state than Nazi Germany was in 1940 - at least the Germans had allies, Russia would be isolated by everyone except Belarus and trying to maintain control over 40 million people who hate their guts while the entire Western community funnels guns to the Ukie resistance and all their major trading partners cut them off wouldn't end well for Ivan.

China, Brazil and India did not join the security council condemnation of Russia, and Germany merely "paused" nordstream 2. Russia is the world's largest oil exporter and responsible for a major chunk of Europe's energy supply. Russia is the supplier of 45% of the world's fertiliser and America imported a billion dollars worth of it last year to support their agriculture. Russia and Ukraine supply 25% of the world's aluminium. Russia and Ukraine supply 90% of the world's neon which is necessary for producing semiconductors. Russia and Ukraine account for 25% of the worlds wheat exports.

Russia is not Iraq. It is not isolated and it cannot be excluded without serious pain, AND you really do need to question whether most governments or most populations will be happy to bear such pain, particularly given the already existing inflation and social dislocation from COVID.

 

[Transniglet]

Nobody was invading anything while Trump was president.

 

[Sexual Chocolate]

I mean the reason why you have gay trannies is because of the USSR subversion policy.

That KGB guy was interesting, but vastly ovestimated the power of the KGB. They didn't need to subvert anything, the seeds of Western decadence, culture war, and sociopathic elites buttfucking their own working and middle class were already baked into the cake long before the KGB was invented.

 

[No. 7 cat]

It will take time to undo 30 years of NATO conditioning but it's doable. If they managed to get Chechnya under relative control, most of Ukraine will not be a problem. Last 7 years were hard on the whole country.

Chechnya saw a former rebel given leave to nearly what he wants within limits, and 'what he wants' coincides with 'wet works' stuff in Syria and other places. There are likely Chechens there already if any harder stuff is required by Putin. I reckon Putin might try to hold what he has and do what he can to nudge someone more reasonable than Zelenskyy (from the Russian perspective), or whatever can be done to make Zelenskyy look like a cuck, that he cannot even attempt to defend his people.

One thing of course is that going back a few decades people near the borders in both Ukraine and Russia might have common ancestors, grand parents or great grand parents, but particularly on the Russian site, the socialisation provided by education and other state actions means people who once saw themselves as poor souls now see themselves as Russian and Ukrainian, although identities in the Donbass area might not be so hard and fast as some have said. A person probably might have issues if they waved the Ukrainian flag in either of the 'Republics.'

 

[SneedEyeMitch]

That KGB guy was interesting, but vastly ovestimated the power of the KGB. They didn't need to subvert anything, the seeds of Western decadence, culture war, and sociopathic elites buttfucking their own working and middle class were already baked into the cake long before the KGB was invented.

Yuri would partly agree with you, he even said as much, as even he was shocked at how quickly the subversion got a grip hold.

 

[Anya15]

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Janel? No one is gonna give a single shit about your social justice crap if war pops off, in fact? If we get rolling blackouts, I think genz is really gonna fucking lose it because god forbid they don’t have internet for a couple of hours… can’t wait to see what sanctions the dementia in chief is gonna pull out of his ass to save his approval ratings as they crater.

Anyway, won’t do much since nobody (yes, even those rich screaming lefties) likes a weakling in war times. So say goodbye to jimmy carter 2 and make way for the warhawk.

 

[Chris Chad]

Russia never installed faggots or trannies in my government, Russia never made my government love niggers and Mexicans, Russia never spied on me or murdered people with all the tax dollars that my government extracts from us, Russia are not persecuting Julian Assange and Edward Snowden (In fact Russia has been sheltering Snowden for the better part of a decade), Russia never enacted gun bans, Russians have never done anything that negatively affected my life while the American Government has made my life undeniably worse.

Why am I supposed to care if Russia oppresses the faggot lovers and liberals who if they had their way would turn Russia into a carbon copy of America?

All in all, Death to America, Death to The Ukraine, May Donbass be liberated and may Russia be Victorious

The USSR's long march through the institutions is literally why the USA and the West are like that. Soviet Russians were heavily funding and supporting the Civil Rights movement because they (correctly) saw blacks as the way to destroy America.
Unless you're going to say that "the USSR is different than Russia now" despite most people within the Russian government now having been apart of the Communist Party during the USSR, they're responsible for all of that. If it were politically expedient for Putin to be pro faggot and tranny, he absolutely would be.

 

[RVNX]

NATO invaded that territory about 30 years ago, this is a liberation from NATO occupation.

Russia made active efforts to join the NATO after the cold war (see NRC), but the US kept pushing against it, calling them out on their lack of backing down on nuclear disarmament while doing the exact same because the soviets were (and continue to be) the boogeyman for the past 3 decades, all while slowly creeping up on them despite agreeing not to. I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of the boomers in US Military command are sweating bullets right now because they can't help but start shizoposting internally about how the Russians are gonna nuke the entire world.

 

[Groundbreaking-maize]

Nobody was invading anything while Trump was president.

Putin already had his hand up his ass anyway. No wonder that orange shithead is applauding the invasion.

 

[Herty]

Unless you're going to say that "the USSR is different than Russia now" despite most people within the Russian government now having been apart of the Communist Party during the USSR, they're responsible for all of that. If it were politically expedient for Putin to be pro faggot and tranny, he absolutely would be.

Russia main foreign policy goal since the Soviet Union has always been destroy the US and expand in Europe, both influence and territorial wise

 

[AGPinochet]

The USSR's long march through the institutions is literally why the USA and the West are like that. Soviet Russians were heavily funding and supporting the Civil Rights movement because they (correctly) saw blacks as the way to destroy America.
Unless you're going to say that "the USSR is different than Russia now" despite most people within the Russian government now having been apart of the Communist Party during the USSR, they're responsible for all of that. If it were politically expedient for Putin to be pro faggot and tranny, he absolutely would be.

Russians may or may not have started it, but Americans propagate it.

 

[Groundbreaking-maize]

Some parts in the east and south will voluntarily surrender or call a "referendum" to join. The morale of the population is extremely low and a lot of people would prefer to join the winning side and avoid bloodshed. The government in Kiev is weak, nobody wants to fight for that clown.

Meanwhile russian troops are drinking themselves to death on post, desperately hoarding supplies from the local populace, and trading equipment for vodka.

"Winning side" doesn't stand up to guerrilla war. Just look at Afghanistan.

 

[Glowie Hunter Art Bell]

We lose a hundred thousand, that’s pretty much a success in nuclear war terms. Hell, losing 10 million? We won. Especially because the Chinese will likely lose at least a quarter billion. Probably closer to half.

There's a term for this, its called a "Mega-Death unit" and was used by the US and allies to plan responses to a possible attack by the soviets during the cold war.

1 megadeath is 1,000,000 lives lost to a nuclear explosion

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

One thing of course is that going back a few decades people near the borders in both Ukraine and Russia might have common ancestors, grand parents or great grand parents, but particularly on the Russian site, the socialisation provided by education and other state actions means people who once saw themselves as poor souls now see themselves as Russian and Ukrainian, although identities in the Donbass area might not be so hard and fast as some have said. A person probably might have issues if they waved the Ukrainian flag in either of the 'Republics.'

It's not exactly a North Korea / South Korea kind of situation. People cross the border all the time for work, families still live on different sides of the border, etc. Most people don't give a shit about identities and just want to do their own thing. When push comes to shove they'll pick a side, of course.

Ukraine has been bombarded by NATO psyops and propaganda for years now, making the people there more aggressive about identities. People in Russia are a bit more cynical about state propaganda.

Meanwhile russian troops are drinking themselves to death on post, desperately hoarding supplies from the local populace, and trading equipment for vodka.

"Winning side" doesn't stand up to guerrilla war. Just look at Afghanistan.

Winning side turns the population against the guerrillas so they become terrorists in the minds of the people, cutting off their support and not making it an optics nightmare when they inevitably get mowed down. Did you really not learn anything from Kazakhstan?