Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

[ZeCommissar]

A limited nuclear exchange may happen before cooler heads prevail.

Nigger come on. There is a reason we didn't have "a limited nuclear exchange" during the Cold War. Nukes have tactical value, but that doesn't mean they should ever be used as tactical weapons. Once the nuke box opens you can't close it. Great you just nuked the enemy military base who also has nukes and now you can just walk right in!
...Then your advancing force gets nuked and you fly into a rage escalating the situation further. Can't really use nukes against countries without them anymore either, because once you do it the other guy nukes someone else and goes "well....you did it first!" like a schoolkid.

It will never happen, because that "limited" will turn to "global" real fast. If the current world leaders are so retarded to actually do such a thing we both better kiss our asses goodbye sooner or later.

I have faith in humanity, but I sure as hell don't have faith "cooler heads" will be thinking when the nukes start flying. I just can't imagine a modern world where a nuclear exchange of any kind between the global powers that doesn't devolve into thermonuclear war.

 

[JustSomeDong]

On top of that Taiwan produces semi-conductors and other tech goodies for the US.

As to Ukraine:
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Oh no! What will do with out Ukrainian...ferrous metals?

I read somewhere recently that Ukraine's GDP* is worth about 16weeks of average walmart sales.

*I think it was ukraine, but I may be misremembering and I can't be assed to go look for it

 

[ColtWalker1847]

All of that is well and good, but Biden pushing for Ukraine to join NATO and otherwise antagonizing Russia is no small part in why there are currently tanks rolling into the country. That is going to be very hard to save face on. It isn't quite a Neville Chamberlain level fuckup, but it is getting close.

That would hold more weight if Russia hadn't been sperging about that since EuroMaidan (which was an EU thing). The whole well has been poisoned for so long that people forget that nobody ever thought it until Vlad sent in his goons the first time.

 

[MySonDavid]

Hilarious that this is happening so close to a decade since Anita Sarkeesian stood up on her soap box.

That was the first real major shot fired in the war of Woke.

Newsflash, just because you're a woman don't mean your shit doesn't stink and your opinion is automatically the correct one.

Now her and people like her are going to get what's coming to them.

I knew this had something to do with gamergate, I just couldn't put my finger on it. Thanks mate.

 

[draggs]

All of that is well and good, but Biden pushing for Ukraine to join NATO and otherwise antagonizing Russia is no small part in why there are currently tanks rolling into the country. That is going to be very hard to save face on. It isn't quite a Neville Chamberlain level fuckup, but it is getting close.

Joining NATO is literally in the Ukrainian constitution bro

It's the West that has been holding things up, not barreling Kiev down this path to being the dagger poised at Russia's heart

The Ukraine is done with Russia especially after this

 

[Shittus Maximus]

Dude.

China is in a very precarious position right now, economically and even socially. It's international relations have become complete dogshit as well, what with all the aggressively obnoxious "wolf warrior" diplomacy, armies of annoying China shills, and hordes of irritating "little pink" Han Chinese nationalists trying to bully the entirety of Asia in order to bring them to heel. There's a reason why Xi Jinping is cracking down so hard on dissent and non-Han Chinese identities in the mainland, and it's not because China is some super-strong and super-united power who's taking of Taiwan is inevitable.

And as we know, countries never, ever went to war or made dumb decisions because of internal strife.

None.

Not a one.

 

[Meat Target]

Gamergate is key. It's laughable someone thinks they can discuss geopolitics without the ramifications of the struggle for ethics in gaming journalism.

Globohomo's vengefulness is rooted in the fact that they couldn't just let us play video games.

 

[b0x]

I just don't see the Russian endgame. They are poor as shit wtf are they hoping to achieve here?

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Desperation.

Russia has to reclaim some of its lost borders while they still have enough of a population before their crumbling demographics and abysmal fertility rate makes it impossible for them to defend themselves. It's essentially a Hail Mary. They might win this war but it's all going to be a Pyrrhic affair.

I doubt it's that. Ukraine going into NATO puts US Military within striking distance of Moscow with little warning available to Russia.

Secondly, Ukraine controls a large portion of the gas and oil piplines going into Europe.



Anyone who tells you the US needs to "defend democracy" are thinking you are stupid.

 

[Michael Janke]

Nigger come on. There is a reason we didn't have "a limited nuclear exchange" during the Cold War. Nukes have tactical value, but that doesn't mean they should ever be used as tactical weapons. Once the nuke box opens you can't close it. Great you just nuked the enemy military base who also has nukes and now you can just walk right in!
...Then your advancing force gets nuked and you fly into a rage and escalate the situation further. Can't really use nukes against countries without them anymore either, because once you do it the other guy nukes someone else and goes "well....you did it first!" like a schoolkid.

It will never happen, because that "limited" will turn to "global" real fast. If the current world leaders are so retarded to actually do such a thing we both better kiss our asses goodbye sooner or later.

I have faith in humanity, but I sure as hell don't have faith "cooler heads" will be thinking when the nukes start flying. I just can't imagine a modern world where a nuclear exchange of any kind between the global powers that doesn't devolve into thermonuclear war.

the tactic of nukes is you can never lose homeground.
because just having them makes the risk too big for enemies to pursue.

 

[SCSI]

Results of a strike on Uman, in the Cherkasy region.

Spoiler: Civilian Victim of War (NSFW)

 

[theshep]

Earlier they had a stickied post saying they wouldn't be allowing any discussion of this shit fight, now they've gone private.

Soft cocks.

 

[doesnotglow]

Time to tune in to all the Democrat late night hosts everybody grew up watching that over a decade ago were saying America had no business fighting foreign wars rally the troops for their good old boy uncle Joe.

 

[UselessPieceOfShit]

My city is fine so far, but in Ivano-Frankovsk, wich is not far from me, a rocket hit some mall or whatever the hell it was.

I'm planning is to sit it through in my basement. We have some food and water.

Nothing is happening here so far, but people are worried. There are lines for food and money at ATMs. Many fakes in news (I accidentally typed jews, haha).

Stay safe, fellow Ukrainian kiwis.

 

[The Foldless Brain]

The Ukraine is done with Russia especially after this

It is done, no argument there.

 

[Kane Lives]

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Earlier they had a stickied post saying they wouldn't be allowing any discussion of this shit fight, now they've gone private.

Soft cocks.

Who in Russia even uses reddit lol

 

[Generic Retard]

I get the feeling NATO foreign politics in the last two decades saw Russia as the loser of the cold war for the most part.
Now Putin just went on stage and reminded the West, that Russia is still a nuclear power and people go apeshit.
Military commanders seem to be more understanding of Russia's position than the politicians, who still seem to think they can cancel Putin into not invading anything.
I personally didn't think that Russia would go through with it, and I am still skeptical on how far this invasion is going to go, but why would they stop now?

I don't know about you, but I think "the West" is going to fall hard, if it thinks it is in any way dominating world politics any longer, the politicians don't realize how loose their grip really is.
China and Russia teaming up (economically?) is a good possibility, Western Europe is dependent on Russian Gas.
US Globohomos want to make Shekels because of that and fucking ship LNG to Europe, so they pressure Russia about their new pipeline, wtf.
China can no longer be stopped anyway. People give China all their designs and technologies to produce, then are surprised that they are actually decent at it.
CPU manufacturers forbid China to have their own x86 CPU line? Ok then, Risk-V it is.

Meanwhile Europe doesn't have an up to date semiconductor manufacturer in sight, only for car electronics and the technology is old and trusted, but not good enough for $currentYear consumer electronics.

Westerners aren't even allowed to own land and shit without a proxy in China, while the Chinese are buying housing in Germany (and probably elsewhere) unhindered.

Between Russia and China, do they even need to care if western trade stops altogether with them?
They can just build a new (Far) Eastern Bloc, if it comes to that.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

I hate break it to anyone who thinks this will be perceived as some kind of massive fuck up on Biden's part: This is literally the first time this administration has set a policy and not fucked it up.

A lot of people, including myself, believe that this would never have happened with Trump in charge because He would have made a show of force as soon as it seemed likely that something like this was going to happen. He would probably have announced on twitter that He was designating the separatist leaders as terrorists and that He intended to send aircraft over eastern Ukraine to target them and their military infrastructure, daring Russia to attack and start a war with the US.

But hypotheticals like that don't change the fact that the Biden administration has been perfectly consistent in their messaging regarding whats been happening with Russia and Ukraine for the last couple months and what the American response would/wouldn't be if the predictions turned out true.

I've been forced to watch MSM coverage of this shit since the beginning because of the unfortunate politics of my loved ones and I can tell you the messaging has been consistent and simple:

1: Russia has mobilized an enormous military force positioned around Ukraine, including in Belarus, that could likely blitz the rebel territory if not the whole country on a moments notice and there are subtle signs this might not be feint.
2: If an attack happens the US/NATO will not commit any troops to support Ukraine nor any other support that puts personnel in direct conflict with Russian/Belorussian forces and will evacuate military/government personnel if it happens.
3: The US will supplement NATO forces in territory its obligated to defend should this attack, if it does happen, leads to something bigger.
4: If an attack happens the US and its allies will work to implement unspecified economic measures, clearly hinting at an Iranian style blacklisting of vast sections of the Russian economy.

And that's it, that was their stated policy on this matter and I've seen no indications they're deviating from it. The glowies were correct, and every European leader who advocated a soft approach with Russia and downplayed these warnings are eating shit right now, Biden and Boris are looking golden by comparison.

Being consistently weak isn't a win. Just saying.

 

[Lemmingwise]

The Ukraine is done with Russia especially after this

Just like tibet was done with china when they were invaded.

 

[draggs]

The hypothetical situation I was imagining didn't involve the main island of Taiwan, but rather Quemoy, a smaller Taiwanese territory located six miles from the mainland that would fold pretty much instantly. I think the US wouldn't do shit if the island was taken because it's close enough to the mainland to make military intervention there even more doomed than intervention in Ukraine right now. I think that the entire East declaring war over this would also be unlikely. China is Japan's top trading partner. Same for Vietnam. I wouldn't be surprised if it topped most of the other countries' lists as well. These countries aren't going to nuke their economies at a time of great political instability while the most essential member of their coalition is preoccupied in Europe, to take back a shitty little island deep inside China's many layers of missile defenses.

China has shelled and threatened to invade Quemoy and Matsu multiple times before

Usually the situation was resolved by the Pacific Fleet steaming up and down the Taiwan Strait until China stopped

Admittedly Biden is not Eisenhower, he'd almost certainly do nothing if China landed on either or both of them

 

[Vince McMahon]

you think putin will let the hot ukranian women escape?
nah, well get retarded ghoul looking slavs.

I'll have you know that I'm a smoothskin.