Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

[Vorapede]

Disagree. Information flowed super slowly and was heavily censored. At best we’d have a vague notion a major battle was happening - and usually about a day behind events.

Information is way harder to censor with the amount of smart phones there are in the worlds.

 

[LikeRivenIRL]

Perhaps the idea that Trump didn't give a shit about anyone but his ego was exactly what was needed to keep tyrants in check? I wonder if TDS addled retards ever considered this.

What if mean tweets were, in fact, preserving a semblance of peace and stability?

Or what if Trump wasn't just Trump but an entire administration and tards with TDS did exactly what was needed of them so nameless civil servants could get actual shit done while they hyperfocused on the figurehead. God the average person really has no idea how governments actually function, even with a president as powerful as the US one...

 

[Meat Target]

I could live with that if I get some asian pussy too

Japan didn't have cute little 2D girls back then.

 

[WaveBreak]

and Trump is enough of a Lolcow that you have to take the threat seriously because you know..there is a non 0% chance he isn't fucking lying.

exactly. and if theres one thing trump hates its losing, as evidenced from jan 6th. he'd press the big red button and putin & xi know it. Now they can finally make their move with the president that is returning normalcy!

 

[Ghostse]

Oh, please, Trump admires Putin so much he'd let Ukraine get completely taken over.

On a different note, I wonder how Putin would react if this invasion were referred to as cowardly instead of aggressive. After all, Putin feels threatened by the idea of Ukraine joining NATO.

Trump likes that Putin proved him right.
Trump said that NATO was worthless to the US and they were a bunch of feckthless Eurocucks who would be no good in a fight and couldn't even defend themselves, everyone whined and sobbed about Muh NATO, Our EU allies. Russia is now invading Ukraine AGAIN, a country the EU was trying to become butt-buddies with, and the EU is doing fuck all because Putin has them by the balls (also because they are worthless Eurocucks).
They had 8 years to get themselves off Russian natural gas, and didn't do jack shit except dig the hole deeper.

So yeah, Trump likes being proven right.

Just a reminder, Ukraine Provinces lost to Russia under Trump was zero.
What I'm saying is if admiring Putin is what it takes to keep Russia from expanding borders with military force, maybe Biden should compliment Putin on his suits or something.

 

[Getting tard comed]

I take serious umbrage with the fact that a Nation State of their own free will can't decide what they want to do with their own nation's future because of a retarded paranoid neighbor. Ukraine already gave Russia Crimea which is a vital area that supplies water and electricity in the Region, they surrender their nukes, and they voided and military escalations that NATO may provide and that still wasn't enough.

This is a seriously interesting question to me because I agree 100% every nation should have the right to self determination. Now let's assume Ukraine wants to join NATO(idk if the actual people do considering their last election wasn't exactly kosher) Russia has the right to decide they do not want a neighbor joining an outdated alliance that is around strictly to be agaisnt them. It's in Russias self interest not to allow missles from enemies of theirs next to their borders. Shits not fair for Ukraine but might makes right in this instance, which isn't fair but that's my line of thought on this.

When you have two competing interests the stronger party gets to determine what happens, which isn't fair or "right" but as long as Russia doesn't absorb all of the Ukraine into itself I think Russia gets to claim the morale high ground. Or atleast a claim to it.

 

[Chandelier]

It's canceled. And a lot of euro countries have banned Russian oil.

Until they start paying $2000 for every cubic meter of gas, that is. They need that gas a lot more than Russia needs them, more so since they listened to 'YOU'VE STOLEN MY FUTURE' Greta Thunberg and shut down their coal and nuclear plants.

 

[CarlosDanger]

exactly. and if theres one thing trump hates its losing, as evidenced from jan 6th. he'd press the big red button and putin & xi know it. Now they can finally make their move with the president that is returning normalcy!

I still laugh when Trump dropped that airstrike on Syria when Xi was visiting at Mar-A-Lago.

 

[Kermit Jizz]

It's winter, faggot. The grass is dead.

Yeah cause you neglected it, go give it some love.

 

[Jet Fuel Johnny]

what the fuck

keep your shit together and don't further traumatize your child

the mom is keeping it together, maybe he should take lessons

Fuck you.

Say goodbye to your kid, dude.

 

[JustSomeDong]

>Video captures Thursday's crash of large military plane in Russia's Voronezh region; the number of dead has not been released
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False advertising. No boom. All I saw was a flat spin. I'm here for the shitty hot takes and the 'splosions, but I have too many of the former and not nearly enough of the latter.

 

[Superman93]

Same but we don't live in an ideal world and regional power shifts are fucking dangerous and a real security consideration for every country. Putin's probably half on a power-trip/half securing Russia's security for the next 20 years.

The funny thing is Ukraine legitimately wants to join NATO and this wasn't due to Western (US) interference neither. A majority Ukrainians actually hate Russia for legitimate reasons which go all the way back to the Stalin days when he literally starved millions of Ukrainians on purpose just to repopulate the area with ethic Russians so that he can expand the USSR. More recently back in 2014(ish?) Russia tried to run election interference by putting a puppet leader in place and his opponent which was in favor of democracy was posioned coincidentally fell ill. Then the retard started to enact autocratic quasi-dictator policies which favored Russian. Of course the people took exception to that and overthrew him.

 

[timewave0]

Suppose Russia, China, and Iran create a mutual security pact/organization called RusChinkRan and start actively courting Mexico to join up with them. Russia & China send military equipment and all sorts of shit to Mexico, and it looks fairly likely that Mexico will join, how do you suppose the United States would respond?

We’d probably take it as a grave threat to our security and would do almost anything to prevent it. Is that not kind of what’s happening here?

 

[LikeRivenIRL]

QFT, and the Georgia invasion really should have triggered a rethink of geopolitical strategy more deep than "vote for Black Dipshit, he's smarter than Bush and will hug the world into liking us again".

This touches on a problem from slightly further back; in 2005 Bush basically handed the problem of Iran over to the EU to deal with. Long story short, the EU completely fumbled the ball. It wasn't the EU's first failure to be an effective superpower bloc, but it was the most visible one in the post-9/11 world, and it kind of cemented their status as irrelevant players. Putin didn't try for Georgia until after the EU had failed and Bush was on his way out the door (I think he wanted to wait longer, but events forced his timing a bit).

For all the focus we're giving to American politics, no one even mentions the EU as a possible threat against Russia. It's hilarious and pathetic. Euros are an afterthought on the world stage.

The Germans nearly did it once...they can do it again...!

 

[WaveBreak]

Former Soviet chess GM who infamously lost to a computer has some thoughts on Putin

What is Putin’s Endgame? Garry Kasparov on Russia’s Attack on Ukraine | Amanpour and Company

A vocal critic of the Russian leadership is Garry Kasparov, the chess grandmaster who ranked world number one repeatedly for 20 years before turning his atte...

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garry is a goddamn legend. he's been protesting against putin as well for years, pretty sure he had to flee russia

 

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[Absurdist Laughter]

Huh, I mentioned a long time ago in the thread that this would be interesting to watch Russia fight something more than bronze age child molestors.
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Question: Are you confident that your President, not his wife or some handler, but your President, is awake, cognizant, and working on dealing with this situation?

I'm hoping it'll spawn open division in Russia that leads to a coup. I doubt it, but if these anti-war protests keep getting shut down as hard as they are. #speculation

 

[xXx: State of the Union]

Or what if Trump wasn't just Trump but an entire administration and tards with TDS did exactly what was needed of them so nameless civil servants could get actual shit done while they hyperfocused on the figurehead. God the average person really has no idea how governments actually function, even with a president as powerful as the US one...

So Trump did in fact have a good Administration and Biden has an awful one? Good to know.

 

[A Logging Company]

I just had a weird thought...

Suppose Ukraine somehow manages to repel this invasion, or at least drag Russia into a messy year long stalemate, destroying their military and what remains of their economy in the process, could that lead to the disintegration of NATO? I'd imagine in that case a lot of countries are going to be asking "Well if the Ukrainians managed to fend off Russia, why are we bothering to pay these dues?"

 

[Breadbassket]

The Germans nearly did it once...they can do it again...!

The Germany of 2022 is far different then the Germany of 1914 and the Germany of 1939