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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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I honestly don't think the US ever expected the official Ukrainian military to last in a fight against Russia, they are more hoping that an insurgency forms, give the US as much shit as you want, but funding a protracted insurgency is something they have done successfully in the past, and the US government certainly has the cash and arms production capability to fund an insurgency group, should said group have the balls to hunker down and fight for years (questionable part of all this).
Ukrainians got spunk. I'll give them that. Some of them should be down for a long resistance. The question is, how long does Putin intend to occupy the country? If he's smart, he'll strip their military, take Luhansk and Donetsk (which have ethnic Russian majorities, making resistance more difficult) and pull out of there. Set up a new border.
 
China is watching and taking notes. They're seeing just how weak Biden is and hoping that if the US intervenes, we get our shit kicked in, which will mean it's go time for Taiwan. This doesn't guarantee they'll go for Taiwan, but it makes it more likely. Hell, the US's horrible pullout game in Afghanistan was probably a big part of what got Putin to decide to YOLO this. It's dominos of US foreign policy failures.
They could be, but it's not gonna be the same since India has nukes and will not stand for aggression. Not to mention the other nations surrounding China are also itching for a fight.

That, and unlike the Russian army, the Chinese army is in no shape to fight. PLA Commanders called it "Little Emperor" syndrome, with many of their soldiers coming from one-child households that spoiled them rotten. As opposed to Russian soldiers who probably grew up in the mean streets of Moscow, many of these PLA soldiers are from families that heaped praise and love upon their only heir, making them unlikely to risk everything in a real war. Sure, when it's just shutting down protestors or gunning down Tibetans, it's OK in their eyes to join the PLA for benefits, but when it comes to fighting an actual war, well.........


Let's just say that these gents don't look combat-ready to me.

I honestly don't think the US ever expected the official Ukrainian military to last in a fight against Russia, they are more hoping that an insurgency forms, give the US as much shit as you want, but funding a protracted insurgency is something they have done successfully in the past, and the US government certainly has the cash and arms production capability to fund an insurgency group, should said group have the balls to hunker down and fight for years (questionable part of all this).
America has succeeded with that in the past, and they'll do so again, if that's the game they have to play. I remember someone saying that "Ukraine will liberate themselves" so long as we give them enough hardware to do it.

Ukrainians got spunk. I'll give them that. Some of them should be down for a long resistance. The question is, how long does Putin intend to occupy the country? If he's smart, he'll strip their military, take Luhansk and Donetsk (which have ethnic Russian majorities, making resistance more difficult) and pull out of there. Set up a new border.
If he was smart, Putin would've never invaded, just use troop presence at the border to wring some concessions out of NATO and the EU, and then pull back out. His country is living on borrowed time, and he probably knows it, which makes him not the most rational person in the room. Desperation rarely leaves room for reason.
 
It's just baffling, did the US political system have any delusions that China would be in their corner for whatever reason? It's like they're retarded enough to convince themselves that people actually like them around the world like the media says as opposed to tolerate them because they buckle easily when pressed. Strong leaders are usually not genuinely liked by leaders in any level of opposition to them, weak leaders are always praised by the opposition as it's beneficial to their opposition.
Most of the parts of the US where decisions are made, is a cluster-fuck of competing ideas and bureaucratic bullshit. You could have the sanest most accurate information available, and a perfect 90%+ likelihood of if X than Y... and it'd be sidelined for a far dumber fucking action because someone's election is coming up, and they want to look good, or some shit like that. Now throw in actually idiot employees, bad intelligence, and what big business/banks want, and you have the American decision making system.

I post it here from time to time; but here's Dick "Heart Transplant" Cheney making a well thought out and sound decision on why the USA didn't invade Iraq after the first Gulf War. We fucking know how parts of the world works and how shit operates... but we have competing interests about how we behave, because someone wants higher stocks or to be re-elected.
 
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Ukrainians got spunk. I'll give them that. Some of them should be down for a long resistance. The question is, how long does Putin intend to occupy the country? If he's smart, he'll strip their military, take Luhansk and Donetsk (which have ethnic Russian majorities, making resistance more difficult) and pull out of there. Set up a new border.
If he doesn't do that, he will get bogged down in an expensive and unwinnable insurgency. He must only hold the parts that want to be in Russia, or else it'll be like the insurgency in Chechnya. I also think he does not want any of the leaders of the Ukrainian government taken prisoner. To the contrary, he wants them in exile while he holds Kiev for a few months to give a middle finger to NATO. If he has Zelensky shot on TV, he suddenly becomes the reincarnation of Stalin. The US did the same thing to Saddam, but it's only OK when the US does it because democracy and freedom. The kill lists of Ukrainian officials is probably just cooked up by the western media to create suspense.
 
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John Kerry needs to have an unfortunate accident with a steam roller. Every time I see him, he only seems to get slimier and slimier. Dishonored Vietnam Vet who, despite being in a position of authority, claimed the military is just running around doing whatever it wants; like a little cry baby bitch schoolyard snitch he is. Get lucky and marries into the Heinz ketchup family, now spends his time greasing his way around the world and being a fucking blight on humanity.
 
Ukrainians got spunk. I'll give them that. Some of them should be down for a long resistance. The question is, how long does Putin intend to occupy the country? If he's smart, he'll strip their military, take Luhansk and Donetsk (which have ethnic Russian majorities, making resistance more difficult) and pull out of there. Set up a new border.
Seems like Russia keeps wanting to declare that Zelensky has fled and then he pops up to show he's not going anywhere. At this point, it seems like Russia was expecting Zelensky to flee and so they could just waltz in and easily setup some replacement government with whoever stuck around. But the Ukrainians don't seem all too interested in doing any such bullshit leaving Putin in a lurch.

One thing that's been on my mind is whether the Russian soldiers even want to be fighting. They're kinda required to serve in the military, whereas a lot of regular Ukrainians are wanting to pick up arms. Makes me wonder how eager those Russians are to be fighting to the death when it's mostly to just help out Putin.

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Trump claims he had threatened to bomb Putin if he moved against Ukraine while Trump was president. He said the same for China taking Taiwain

“If you move against Ukraine while I’m president,” Trump is said to have told the Russian leader, “I will hit Moscow.”

Putin reportedly scoffed, “No way,” leading Trump to say, “All those beautiful golden turrets will be blown up.”


"During that same visit, Trump reportedly told Xi that any military move against Taiwan would be met with an attack on Beijing. Xi, like Putin, is said to have been stunned, though it is possible neither man believed Trump was serious. While it is also possible that both accounts are exaggerated, it is a fact that neither man made the moves Trump is said to have warned against."

 
Interesting twitter thread I posted in the other thread. Basic jist is that Russian health ministry has sent out a private letter to private sector health care workers urging them to move behind the warzone to help with back-line medical operations. This is in response to stiffer than expected Ukrainian resistance and the Russians not accounting for the number of casualties resulting from the invasion.
 
Ukraine may not win this war, but they've shown themselves to be rather based. Telling the Russian warship to fuck themselves was as based as it gets.

From what I have read and seen, apparently many Russian soldiers don't know why they are in Ukraine. This is a pretty stupid thing to do. Troops perform better if they know what they are supposed to do and why they are doing it.

There was already a river of bad blood between Ukraine and Russia, going back many, many years. This river of bad blood will only widen and deepen. Putin, whom I considered a pretty smart guy, hasn't really thought through the medium-term and long-term aspects of this attack. Wonder what Russian families will think and say when they start getting their sons/husbands/fathers/uncles back in caskets.

Just a fucking waste, in my book.
What caskets are these?

https://nypost.com/2022/02/24/russia-has-mobile-crematoriums-that-evaporate-the-dead-report/amp/
 
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