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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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This has to be the most jewish thing ever:

Moody’s warns Russia could lose investment-grade credit rating​


Moody’s warned late on Friday that it could soon strip Russia of its coveted investment-grade credit rating and downgrade Ukraine deeper into junk territory, as war between the two countries intensified.

The rating agency said it had placed both Russia and Ukraine on review for downgrade as Russian forces moved deeper into the country. Russia is currently rated Baa3 by Moody’s, the lowest investment-grade opinion awarded by the group, while Ukraine holds a B3 rating.

Moody’s noted that sanctions imposed by the US and EU could hinder Russia’s ability to pay its debts. Analysts with the group, who met on Thursday, said the sanctions could also weigh on economic activity and hit the country’s oil producers and in turn depress tax receipts.

“The imposition of severe and co-ordinated sanctions that materially disrupt the economy, public finances and the financial system for a sustained period and therefore could impair Russia’s ability to service and refinance its debt would pose immediate risks to the credit profile,” Moody’s said.

Russian sovereign debt has plunged in value this week, with bonds maturing in 2047 falling 30 per cent in value since February 14.

Rival credit agency Fitch downgraded Ukraine two notches to triple-C from single-B on Friday, signalling the severe stress the country is under as it battles to retain control of Kyiv.

“The shock to domestic confidence is expected to have a severe impact on economic activity and the currency, fuelling inflationary pressure and macro-economic volatility,” Fitch said in a statement.

Ukraine in talks ‘on place and time’ for negotiations with Russia​


The administration of Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky said that talks were under way with Russia’s Vladimir Putin to hold negotiations aimed at preventing further bloodshed caused by Russia’s full-blown invasion of the country.

Serhiy Nykyforov, Zelensky’s press secretary, said late on Friday evening in a Facebook post that “during these hours, the parties consult on the place and time of the negotiation process.”

“The sooner negotiations begin, the better the chances of resuming normal life,” he added.

Nykyforov continued: “I must refute the allegations that we have refused to negotiate. Ukraine has been and remains ready to talk about a ceasefire and peace. This is our constant position. We agreed to the proposal of the President of the Russian Federation.”

It was not, however, clear how productive such talks would be and if they would take place in Minsk, the capital of Belarus from which Russia has launched some of its invasion forces, Warsaw as Kyiv has requested, or another city.

“Now we see Moscow suggesting that diplomacy take place at the barrel of a gun, or as Moscow’s rockets, mortars, artillery target the Ukrainian people,” Ned Price, the US state department’s spokesperson, told journalists on Friday, according to Reuters.

“This is not real diplomacy. Those are not the conditions for real diplomacy,” he added.

The development comes as Russia’s army was poised to capture Ukraine’s capital and other big cities but at a possible cost. Armed in previous weeks by the US and other western countries with precision anti-tank missiles and Stinger surface-to-air rockets, Ukraine on Friday claimed to have inflicted up to 2,800 fatalities on the advancing Russian troops.

Reuters reported that John Kirby, the spokesperson for the Pentagon, said that “we are going to provide additional security assistance for Ukraine.”

 
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so even tho numbers will definitely not be official or close to, but from what I'm reading

has Russia had more causalities then Ukraine at this point?
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According to official sources (from UK Armed Forces, Ukraine's defence ministry) places the numbers at 1000 dead Russians, and 194 dead Ukrainians. Russia claims it has killed 200 Ukrainians in Hostomel airfield attack alone.

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so even tho numbers will definitely not be official or close to, but from what I'm reading

has Russia had more causalities then Ukraine at this point?
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That wouldn't surprise me at all. Larger nations have a tendency of writing off casualties since there's always more where they came from. Many major wars that Russia participated in the 20th century had them losing more men than the opposition.

The only problem is, modern Russia's replacement rate makes losing large numbers of men unsustainable. At least back in the old Tsarist or Soviet days, they didn't have the massive scale of modern, on-demand abortion that's as common as getting groceries.

So basically, for every Ukrainian who died, he took 5 Russians with him to hell?
 

Serbia reveals decision on Russia sanctions​

Belgrade will not join EU in sanctions against Russia, but won’t recognize Donbass republics either

Serbia will not join the EU sanctions against Russia over its military operation in Ukraine, President Aleksandar Vucic announced on Friday. Belgrade will also not recognize the Donetsk (DPR) and Lugansk (LPR) People’s Republics because it respects the territorial integrity of Ukraine, Vucic said.

Vucic addressed the nation following the meeting of Serbia’s national security council, saying that the West had put enormous pressure on Belgrade to condemn Moscow.

“We faced pressure from many,” Vucic said. “We made the decision with a cool and sober mind, because we believe that respecting international law strengthens our position.”

He added that the Serbs consider both Russians and Ukrainians as “brotherly people,” saying that it makes watching the unfolding events in Ukraine difficult.

On Thursday, Moscow announced the start of its military operation in Ukraine, claiming that it was the only option left for defending the people in the DPR and LPR from an imminent attack. Russian President Vladimir Putin says that the operation is aimed at “demilitarization” and “denazification” of Ukraine. Kiev and its western allies insist the offensive is an “unprovoked” attack. The Russian Defense Ministry says that only military targets are being hit across the country.

Belgrade’s position to not recognize the breakaway Donbass republics comes in view of Serbia’s own province of Kosovo, occupied during the US-led NATO bombing campaign of Yugoslavia in 1999, declaring independence in 2008 with US support. While over 100 countries, mainly US allies, have recognized Kosovo as independent, both Belgrade and Moscow have refused to do so.

The Kremlin repeatedly cited the Kosovo precedent when addressing the West on the developments in Crimea and the Donbass, both of which have a large ethnic Russian population and strong historic ties to Russia.


Ukraine proposed talks, then ‘disappeared’ – Kremlin​


Kiev first agreed to talks with Russia, then went silent and placed artillery amid civilians, the Kremlin claims

Ukraine had agreed to negotiate with Russia, picking the Polish capital of Warsaw as the site for talks, then “ghosted” Moscow as it began deploying rocket artillery inside civilian neighborhoods of major cities, the Kremlin claimed on Friday.

President Volodymyr Zelensky said early in the day he was willing to talk with Russia to stop the “invasion” of Ukraine. The Kremlin had communicated Russia’s terms for ending the military operation aimed at “demilitarizing and denazifying” Kiev.

“The Ukrainian side said it had reconsidered the idea of holding talks in Minsk, chose Warsaw instead, and then disappeared,” Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters on Friday evening.

Peskov pointed out that the sudden pause came as “nationalist elements” began deploying multiple rocket launcher systems in residential areas of major Ukrainian cities, which Russia warned could lead to civilian casualties that Moscow has been trying to avoid.

The Russian Foreign Ministry said earlier that it had prepared a delegation for peace talks with Kiev, which President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko agreed to host in Minsk. Dialogue depended on the “responsible behavior of Kiev,” Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova cautioned.

Moving the talks to Warsaw would present a problem, as Poland announced on Friday it would close its airspace to all Russian flights.

Meanwhile, President Vladimir Putin called on the Ukrainian military to take control and not allow the nationalists in Kiev to use their families as human shields.

“Take the power into your own hands!” the Russian president said, adding that the army would be a better negotiating partner than “a bunch of drug addicts and neo-Nazis” who he claimed have “entrenched themselves in Kiev,” and are holding the people of Ukraine “hostage.”

The Russian military operation began early on Thursday following requests from the newly recognized Donetsk (DPR) and Lugansk (LPR) People’s Republics for aid under their mutual treaties with Moscow. The DPR and LPR, which Russia recognized as independent states this week, claimed that they were facing an imminent all-out attack, while Kiev insisted it was not planning to retake the area by force. Putin insisted the military operation was the only choice left after Kiev abandoned the internationally-brokered Minsk agreements, which not only required it to observe a ceasefire, but also to give the Donbass region more autonomy.


State of Chernobyl plant revealed after fighting​


The maintenance of the crippled nuclear power plant continues, a key UK-based investment body says

The Russian military operation in Ukraine has dealt no damage to the defunct Chernobyl nuclear power plant, the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development (EBRD) confirmed on Friday. The major London-based investment bank added that essential maintenance work at the site of the 1986 nuclear disaster is ongoing.

“The information we currently have is that the existing infrastructure of the New Safe Confinement and the Interim Spent Fuel Store 2 (ISF2) has not been damaged and the essential operational and maintenance tasks are being undertaken,” the EBRD said in a statement to Reuters.

On Thursday, Russian forces entered the northern Ukrainian ghost city from Belarus and captured the former power plant after what Kiev has claimed was “fierce fighting” in the Exclusion Zone. The Chernobyl plant generated the worst nuclear catastrophe in history in 1986, when reactor four went into meltdown. Moscow has confirmed that it was in control of the area on Friday.

The Ukrainian nuclear agency and interior ministry claimed earlier in the day that there were increased radiation levels from the site of the defunct power plant. Experts cited by Reuters were unsure of the reasons why but suggested it was due to movement of heavy military equipment in the area lifting radioactive dust into the air.

The EBRD – an International Financial Institution set up to invest in the transitioning socialist nations of the Eastern Bloc in the early 1990s – has overseen a project to build a shelter on top of the highly radioactive plant.

The gigantic steel sarcophagus, which took years to construct, covers the dilapidated old structure around the crippled reactor, which will remain radioactive for years to come.


Britain rules out ‘active role’ in Ukraine​

A junior defense minister suggested miscalculations could cause an unnecessary escalation

Following Russia’s attack on the Eastern European nation, Britain said on Friday that it would not play an “active role” in the conflict in Ukraine, warning that such action could lead to an unnecessary escalation.

“We must all in this house be clear that British and NATO troops should not, must not, play an active role in Ukraine,” the armed forces minister, James Heappey, told Parliament.

“We must all be clear what the risk of miscalculation could be, and how existential that could very quickly become if people miscalculate and things escalate unnecessarily,” he added.

The minister said any military clash between NATO and Russia posed an “existential” and unnecessary risk.

However, he announced that the UK would send extra troops to Estonia “earlier than planned” in an effort to reinforce its NATO ally’s defenses amid increased Russian aggression.

The Welsh battlegroup would soon arrive in the country, doubling troop numbers there, he said.

On Thursday, Russia announced the commencement of a special “operation” in the Donbass, after the leaders of Donetsk and Lugansk asked Moscow for military assistance.

Russian President Vladimir Putin’s move came after his government recognized the independence of the two breakaway republics in response to Ukraine’s alleged failure to implement its obligations under the Minsk agreements struck in 2014 and 2015 to resolve its conflict with the separatists.


Ireland cancels visa requirements for Ukrainians​

Visa requirements between Ireland and Ukraine have been lifted with immediate effect

Visa requirements for Ukrainians traveling to Ireland are being lifted in a show of “solidarity”, the country’s Department of Justice announced on Friday in an emergency order.

Irish Justice Minister Helen McEntee said she is “appalled by the Russian invasion of Ukraine” and said the emergency order will “assist” Irish citizens and their families in Ukraine, which has faced attacks from the Russian military in recent days.

The emergency measure applies to all Ukrainians who wish to travel to Ireland amid the conflict.

Ireland had previously advised Irish citizens in Ukraine and Ukrainians against traveling to Ireland, with the official travel advice being to “shelter in place” as they monitored ongoing tensions with Russia, according to the government’s travel site.

Citizens who wished to leave were told to leave only if it was safe to do so based on their “location and prevailing circumstance” in a travel advisory updated the day before McEntee’s new announcement.

Irish Taoiseach Micheál Martin originally suggested on Thursday, however, that the lifting of visa requirements would be forthcoming in light of Moscow’s military action in Ukraine. Russian President Vladimir Putin launched an offensive in Ukraine on Thursday, saying the goal was demilitarization and denazification of the country.

“There will be a significant migration issue arising from these attacks, we will have to play our part in helping those who will have to flee Ukraine and we do that in solidarity with our European colleagues,” Martin said on Thursday.


Poland and Czech Republic closing airspace to Russian airlines​

Airspace over Poland and the Czech Republic will be closed to Russian airlines from midnight

Poland and the Czech Republic will close their airspace to Russian planes at midnight on Friday in the wake of Moscow's military attack on Ukraine, officials from both countries confirmed on Friday.

I have ordered the preparation of a resolution of the council of ministers that would lead to the closure of airspace for Russian airlines,” Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki said.

Earlier, Morawiecki condemned Russia’s military offensive in Ukraine and called on the international community to adopt harsh new sanctions in response to what he called Moscow’s “criminal aggression.” He said that the support for Ukraine “must be real” and include the “fiercest possible sanctions.

Government spokesperson Piotr Muller replied to Morawiecki’s tweet saying that “the relevant arrangements” were immediately made and that the ban would come into force at midnight local time (02.00 Moscow time).

Soon after Poland’s decision, the Czech transport minister Martin Kupka announced that his country was “stopping the operation of all Russian air carriers on Czech territory.”

The ban will also enter into force at midnight.

Prague also announced that, starting from February 25, it has stopped accepting all visa applications, except the ones requested on humanitarian grounds, from Russian citizens. The residence permits which have already been issued will be subject to review.

Lithuania, Latvia, and Japan have stopped issuing visas for Russian citizens, while the UK has closed its airspace to Russian airline Aeroflot. In retaliation, Russia closed its airspace to all British planes.

Russia launched a military attack on Ukraine on Thursday morning, with President Vladimir Putin saying the “special military operation” was necessary to “demilitarize” Ukraine and to stop Ukrainian attacks on the Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics. The move prompted an outcry from Western nations who levied a spate of sanctions on Moscow.


Twelve thousand Chechens ready to deploy to Ukraine – Kadyrov​

Chechen fighters support Moscow’s intervention in the eastern European nation, the region’s chief claims

Thousands of men from Chechnya are willing to offer assistance to Russia’s armed forces, the southern republic’s leader, Ramzan Kadyrov, has pledged, as Moscow’s military conducted the second day of its attack on Ukraine.

On Friday, 12,000 local volunteers amassed on the central square of the regional capital, Grozny. Kadyrov informed the publication ‘Chechnya Sevodnya’ of their rally, which was organized in order to show their support for the Kremlin and their readiness to aid its objectives.

“These are volunteers who are ready to leave for any special operation at any time in order to secure our state and our people,” Kadyrov told the outlet, adding that no troops would be deployed until the “Supreme Commander in Chief” Putin gave the go-ahead.

According to the Chechen minister of national policy, Akhmed Dudayev, the aim of the congregation was to demonstrate how prepared the troops were to follow orders and defend their homeland.

“It was a check of the personnel”, Dudayev clarified to RBK, “A check of the readiness of the personnel to carry out any orders of the supreme commander-in-chief, the country’s president, Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin.”

In a speech he gave to the assembled servicemen in central Grozny, Kadyrov demanded that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky apologize to Putin.

“Taking this opportunity, I want to give advice to the current President Zelensky so that he calls our President, Supreme Commander Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, and apologizes for not doing so sooner. Do it in order to save Ukraine. Ask for forgiveness and agree to all the conditions that Russia puts forward. This will be the most correct and patriotic step for him,” the leader declared.

Moscow instigated a “special military operation” in Ukraine in the early hours of Thursday morning, with the intent to demilitarize and “de-nazify” the country, after alleging that Kiev’s government had been responsible for eight years of genocide in the country’s war-torn Donbass region.

As the second day of the offensive draws to a close, much of Ukraine’s military has been crippled, with airports, communication centers, defense infrastructure, and military bases damaged in a series of Russian air strikes.

On Friday, Kremlin Press Secretary Dmitry Peskov said Kiev had “disappeared” after choosing Warsaw as a place to hold negotiations with Moscow.

“Zelensky said he was ready to discuss Ukraine’s neutral status. Initially, Putin said that the purpose of the operation was to help the Lugansk and Donetsk People’s Republics, including through the demilitarization and denazification of Ukraine. And this, in fact, is an integral component of neutral status,” Peskov explained.


Telegram experiencing outages in Europe​

The messaging app is facing an “unprecedented” user load due to the ongoing events in Ukraine

Messaging app Telegram is suffering outages owing to “unprecedented” user demand for its services in Europe, following Russia’s attack on Ukraine on Thursday morning, according to founder and CEO Pavel Durov.

“Due to today’s events, the European Telegram cluster is facing an unprecedented load. As a result, some users may experience intermittent short-term outages in a number of Telegram services,” Durov said on his own Telegram channel.

The tech mogul said he was aware that many people were in dire need of reliable communications with their loved ones after the morning’s events.

“We will do our best to keep the speed of sending and receiving messages high,” he added.

The app’s service outages come after Russia launched a military attack on neighboring Ukraine early on Thursday – an offensive President Vladimir Putin claimed was in support of the leaders of the breakaway Donbass republics.

The assault comes days after Moscow recognized the independence of the Donetsk and Lugansk republics, alleging Kiev had failed to implement its obligations under the Minsk agreements, struck in 2014 and 2015, to resolve the conflict between separatists and the Ukrainian government.


Russia blocks UN resolution demanding withdrawal of troops from Ukraine​


Russia vetoed a United Nations Security Council resolution condemning its invasion of Ukraine and demanding that it immediately withdraw its forces from the country.

The UN Security Council is currently chaired by the Russian ambassador to the UN, Vasily Nebenzya, and Russia has veto power as a permanent member of the council.

Russia was the only opponent to the resolution, which was introduced by the US and Albania. India, China and the UAE all abstained from voting, although India’s ambassador said the country was “disturbed” by developments in Ukraine and urged for an immediate cessation of violence.

Speaking ahead of the vote on Friday evening, the US’s ambassador to the UN Linda Thomas-Greenfield said: “Russia’s latest attack on our most fundamental principles is so bold, so brazen that it threatens our international system as we know it.”

The UN Security Council “should still have a place in solving 21st century problems,” said Thomas-Greenfield. “This body charged with maintaining international peace and security was created to prevent exactly this kind of aggression from ever happening again.”

The British ambassador to the UN said Russia’s attack on Ukraine was “not self defence.” “It is naked aggression and an unprovoked, unjustified war,” said Barbara Woodward, urging other UN members to support the resolution.

“It’s a message to the world that the rules we built together must be defended,” she said. “Because otherwise, who might be next?”

Zelensky warns citizens that Russia will ‘storm’ Kyiv overnight​


Addressing his Russian war ravaged nation on television just before midnight on Friday, Ukraine’s president urged his citizens to brace for the most difficult night of the conflict that could decide the nation’s freedom and independence.

“Tonight the enemy will use all the forces at their disposal to break our resistance -- vile, cruel and inhuman. Tonight they will storm. We must all understand what awaits us,” Volodymyr Zelensky said.

He spoke as Russian troops moved to surround and breach Kyiv, the country’s capital city, while also pushing deeper into the country from the north, east and south.

“We have to persevere tonight. The fate of Ukraine is being decided right now. The night will be hard, very hard, but there will be a morning,” Zelensky added.

He said “many cities of our state are under attack . . . the capital cannot be lost.”

 
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It looks like the Russians are getting bogged down in a prolonged conflict, this shit should've been over in 48 hours for Putin to score a victory, the more time he spends on this shit the more compounding interest he accrues on that time.

This is starting to look less like Germany Vs Poland and more like Germany Vs the UK.
In fairness to the Poles, they did halted the German advance and were successfully counterattacking the Germans. It was the Soviets attacking Poland from the east is when Polish resistance fell apart.
 
I'm not believing either sides' numbers right now as both have every reason to lie and neither are providing much evidence. The best evidence of the truth we get on the ground is from Ukrainians posting images and clips online but it is seldom indicative of casualties on the ground.
Russia is "at the gates" and they're going to get in. What happens from there, I don't know, but it sounds like the Ukraine government wants every adult male in the city to be considered a combatant.
 
LMAO

"I appeal to the servicemen of the armed forces of Ukraine, do not let Neo-Nazis & Ukranian Ultra-Nationalists use your children, wives & the elderly as human shields. Take power into your own hands" ~Vladimir Putin, attempting to talk the Ukrainian army into turning the guns on their own government.

That's kind of a sign of weakness, isn't it? Sounds desperate to me.
 

White House asks Congress for $6.4bn for Ukraine crisis​


The White House asked Congress to approve $6.4bn in aid to address the Ukraine crisis, including $2.9bn in security and humanitarian assistance and $3.5bn for the Department of Defense, Biden administration and congressional aides have said.

“In a recent conversation with lawmakers, the administration identified the need for additional US humanitarian, security, and economic assistance to Ukraine and Central European partners due to Russia’s unprovoked and unjustified invasion,” an official from the White House Office of Management and Budget said.

 
LMAO

"I appeal to the servicemen of the armed forces of Ukraine, do not let Neo-Nazis & Ukranian Ultra-Nationalists use your children, wives & the elderly as human shields. Take power into your own hands" ~Vladimir Putin, attempting to talk the Ukrainian army into turning the guns on their own government.

That's kind of a sign of weakness, isn't it? Sounds desperate to me.
Damn. It's one sign of weakness after another. He's trying to get the Ukrainian military, which his forces have been blasting into shreds to side with him against their own people? He really is mentally stuck in the Soviet era.

Speak of the devil... Why the hell does he think its a good idea to antagonize the fins? This isnt 1945.

Putin's bitching at the Finns and warning them not to join in is a sign that he IS afraid of them joining in and throwing a big monkey wrench in his invasion plans. Again, it's him trying to appear strong when he's really very weak.
 
LMAO

"I appeal to the servicemen of the armed forces of Ukraine, do not let Neo-Nazis & Ukranian Ultra-Nationalists use your children, wives & the elderly as human shields. Take power into your own hands" ~Vladimir Putin, attempting to talk the Ukrainian army into turning the guns on their own government.

That's kind of a sign of weakness, isn't it? Sounds desperate to me.
This is pretty common in war, as it's a no lose situation. If the people listen and turn on the government then it's an easy victory, if they don't, then you're exactly were you were before and has been done pretty much in every war. Even something like the Emancipation Proclamation essentially only freed slaves in rebelling states, with the exemption of loyalist cities within those states, as it could cause uprisings that would disrupt the enemy.

Edit: Notice all the exceptions made
"Arkansas, Texas, Louisiana, (except the Parishes of St. Bernard, Plaquemines, Jefferson, St. John, St. Charles, St. James Ascension, Assumption, Terrebonne, Lafourche, St. Mary, St. Martin, and Orleans, including the City of New Orleans) Mississippi, Alabama, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina, and Virginia, (except the forty-eight counties designated as West Virginia, and also the counties of Berkley, Accomac, Northampton, Elizabeth City, York, Princess Ann, and Norfolk, including the cities of Norfolk and Portsmouth[)], and which excepted parts, are for the present, left precisely as if this proclamation were not issued.

And by virtue of the power, and for the purpose aforesaid, I do order and declare that all persons held as slaves within said designated States, and parts of States, are, and henceforward shall be free; and that the Executive government of the United States, including the military and naval authorities thereof, will recognize and maintain the freedom of said persons."
 

Ukraine's parliament passed a law allowing citizens to carry firearms, and a local NGO official said 'there's a feeling that Ukrainians will fight'​


  • The Ukrainian parliament passed a law on Wednesday which allowed citizens to carry guns in public.
  • Previously, citizens could only have firearms in private.
  • According to the Guardian, gun stores in Kyiv are selling out following the news.
The Ukrainian parliament passed a law on Wednesday, which allows citizens to carry firearms in public, alongside the enactment of a state of emergency, after Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to eastern Ukraine on Monday.

Previously, Ukrainian citizens were barred from carrying guns outside of their homes.

"Now it's the intention of the parliament is to liberalize ownership of armaments by citizens," Dmytro Shulga, the European Programme Director at the International Renaissance Foundation, an NGO in Kyiv, told Insider. "And I think that this is very popular news now."

The passage of the law followed the approval of a state of emergency in Ukraine.

On Monday, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops into Ukraine's eastern Donbas region, recognizing the Donetsk and Luhansk regions as independent people's republics as opposed to belonging to Ukraine.

In the weeks prior, the Kremlin has mobilized more than 150,000 Russian troops along Ukraine's borders.

Prior to parliament voting in favor of the state of emergency measures on Wednesday, Ukrainian officials were told Tuesday morning local Kyiv time by US intelligence officials that Russia will likely begin an invasion into eastern Ukraine within the next 48 hours.

According to the Guardian, gun stores in Kyiv are selling a much higher volume of guns than usual, including AR-10s and AR-15s. The report added that close to 400,000 Ukrainians have combat experience.

Shulga added that he believed that with its own training and US and EU military backing, the Ukrainian army itself is better trained than in 2014.

"There's a feeling that Ukrainians will fight. I see it. I observe it," Shulga, who as of Wednesday afternoon has been carrying on with his daily life, told Insider. "If the Russians want to come to our home, we will meet them."
 

Ukraine claims downing of Russian Ilyushin-76 military paratrooper plane​

Valery Zaluzhny, chief commander of Ukraine’s armed forces, said the country’s air defence forces had around midnight on Friday shot down a Russian Ilyushin-76 paratrooper plane south of Kyiv near the town of Vasylkiv.

“Our air defence forces shot down an IL-76 with enemy paratroopers in the region of Vasylkiv,” Zaluzhny said in a Facebook post.

Ukrainian and Russian military claims cannot be independently verified.

Zaluzhny in his comments referred to the 2014 downing over the city of Luhansk of a Ukrainian plane of the same class that killed nearly 50 Ukrainian paratroopers. The incident occurred at the beginning of a proxy separatist war that Russia fomented in Ukraine’s far east after occupying the Crimean peninsula.

“This is payback for Luhansk 2014. Death to the enemies,” Zaluzhny added.


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Putin's bitching at the Finns and warning them not to join in is a sign that he IS afraid of them joining in and throwing a big monkey wrench in his invasion plans. Again, it's him trying to appear strong when he's really very weak.
afraid of what? 1945 finns and moderns days finns are 2 completely separate species, or they may as well be.
finns are some of the most comfortable, privilaged people on planet earth. a modern diet of soy and watching internet all day, does not a soldier make. the only things it makes are Myopic Chuds who would never choose to die for Ukraine. and the few tough conservative finns whos would dont want to die at the command of people that show contempt for them.
 
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