Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

[Dave_Ph]

In a war you never want to commit more forces than you think you need, as per Clausewitz's theories which are the basis of modern war. This is because mobilization and war are extremely expensive and economically straining, and especially so for Russia, whose armed forces are quite oversized for their GDP, though not for their idea of their place in the world.
Hitting from the north and south as well as the main front from the east is setting up a classic pincer move, and even armchair generals like me can see it. It's not so much grand objectives so much as whatever facilities movement to trap any Ukrainian forces in a giant pocket and get the sort of army encirclement every general jacks off to the thought of having executed. The only real option if the north and south can't both hold is still a loss, because it forces a situation where you either have to give up your position and run away, or be encircled and isolated.
The other post you're replying to I can't seem to find anymore, but they refer to the possibility of Russia just stacking up everything on one side and pushing forward like a freight train whose front is covered in fat erect penises rather than a multipronged flanking attack. This is not only against tactics as basic as those described in Sun Tzu's art of war concerning how to fight when you outnumber an enemy, but against Russia's tactics going back all the way to World War 2, which involve hitting everywhere at once as hard as you can and exploiting the weak parts you'll inevitably find with an all out broad front attack. This is especially effective when it follows up a giant artillery and air strike like what kicked off the war, though as we've been seeing somewhat, that hasn't gone perfectly for reasons that probably won't be known for weeks at least.

Read as far as "as per Clausewitz".
Thanks for the early warning flag General

 

[ArthuriusMartyrius]

So, what would happen if the Ukries by some miracle manage to win the war?

Is Russia going to collapse or not?

Define "win".

Ukraine isn't going to push Russia all the way back to Moscow but they might make it so costly for Russia that Putin calls a ceasefire. That's the only "win" scenario I see.

Ukraine is still going to be 50% smoking rubble afterwards though.

 

[George Lucas]

Meanwhile, in America:

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Archive for when it gets memory holed:

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This is gay.

So, what would happen if the Ukries by some miracle manage to win the war?

Is Russia going to collapse or not?

This would be a huge upset for Russia but nobody would really care. Maybe Japan will take their islands back as a weird flex but I doubt it. The country would still exist because basically nobody else wants it.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

First you'd need to define what their win condition is, because it's not going to be "crushing Russia's army and marching on Moscow" unless you're in the school of thought that the Avengers and the Resistance from Stur Wurs are coming to save the day.

I can't even tell if that Endgame meme posted pages ago was real or satire.

 

[Johnny Salami]

Russia is CANCELLED!!!
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https://twitter.com/Ukraine/status/1496888388938604556

Oh no Russia got ratio'd

pack it up, Russians. wars over

 

[Vaclav]

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Crossover

What!?!? Tell me Ogre isn't that stupid. Do those look like Russian troops to him?

 

[Dave_Ph]

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This is the most Jewish thing I've heard all day.

CNN shocked that someone knows how to win a war

 

[Ducks Sorted in a Row]

Who is the target audience? Women? Retards?

Women, retards, and bugmen. So basically, a good 75% of the population of the first world.

 

[cybertoaster]

No country for old thots

 

[Sammich]

My coworker says this entire invasion is just to get at Hunter Biden and other people who have deals in the Ukraine. All to expose the Democrats corruption and to take them all down for good.

Seen some video earlier in the thread of some ukraine folks burning a ton of papers. I would have to think that's pretty SOP to keep from exposing spies though, who knows what was being burnt. Or in these times, if it wasn't some bullshit video from 10 years ago.
I'm not sure how much I even believe with the shit going on, but I would think if papers exist like that, russia probably already had them or at least copies. Biden is on video threatening the former president (or PM) with some billion dollar deal. Not going to dig too deep, but here is a quick bit i pulled up with very little effort.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...orced-out-ukraines-top-prosecutor/3785620002/


Notice how quick three or four people are quick to call you a conspiracy theorist for even mentioning such stuff, that's the takeaway for me.

 

[Pissmaster]

I don't get this hype about Russians finding hidden digital dirt on western officials. Why wouldn't Russia already have this? You can access computers remotely and it's basically guaranteed correspondence was done over the internet and stored on an internet-connected server/computer.

Proper encryption is pretty damn good these days and it's easier to just march in and start confiscating machines and scouring their drives rather than some l33t remote hacker bullshit

 

[Gay_Frog]

I don't get this hype about Russians finding hidden digital dirt on western officials. Why wouldn't Russia already have this? You can access computers remotely and it's basically guaranteed correspondence was done over the internet and stored on an internet-connected server/computer.

Well nobody remember about the child prostitute pic of Joe Biden son.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Define "win".

Ukraine isn't going to push Russia all the way back to Moscow but they might make it so costly for Russia that Putin calls a ceasefire. That's the only "win" scenario I see.

Ukraine is still going to be 50% smoking rubble afterwards though.

Only the jew wins. By design, of course.

 

[Melight]

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This is the most Jewish thing I've heard all day.

We want to appear as hostile as possible to our enemy that will definitely make them surrender and not spur on to fight harder. I call gay-ops

 

[Very_sad_man]

Meanwhile, the EU is still wholly dependent on Russia for its energy needs.

Gas has to flow, war or not.

Independence from foreign energy sources is for fagots. Just trust the others, they won't take advantage of it, right? Fucking retards

 

[redeyejedi]

Sorry if double post. Small photo dump from today. Civilians with guns. Not sure this will end well

Spoiler

Russians on the Donbass front

Spoiler

 

[BradCarter]

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This is the most Jewish thing I've heard all day.

Ukraine is handing every man woman and child a rifle. So yea, this might happen. Can't wait for the media coverage of entire Ukranian families being wiped out

 

[Strix454]

IThe Russian approach seems more weird than chaotic: they're slow and methodical in general, but at the same time they're apparantly sending unsupported recon and vanguard units to roam around the countryside.

I wouldn't assume that they are sending them. Those recon and vanguard units if not properly supervised can end up doing all kinds of stupid things all on their own. Especially in
the early days of something like this. Roaming around looking for trouble and finding it is one of the things they do.

 

[Freezard]

Seen some video earlier in the thread of some ukraine folks burning a ton of papers. I would have to think that's pretty SOP to keep from exposing spies though, who knows what was being burnt.

Literally everything. Even in shit that seems unimportant an intelligence analyst can find things that compromise your security. If you're doing your job right you don't leave anything to be found except maybe a drawing of a dick on the wall.

 

[BradCarter]

I don't get this hype about Russians finding hidden digital dirt on western officials. Why wouldn't Russia already have this? You can access computers remotely and it's basically guaranteed correspondence was done over the internet and stored on an internet-connected server/computer.

It's retarded boomer shit. Ukraine is already destroying records before the Russian advance. If any smoking gun exists it's been burnt or had a drill put through it