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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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May not be long until non-Russian purchasers stop buying Russian oil/minerals/etc.
Probably not immediately but really this process should have been begun 8 years ago.

Instead the euros increased their dependence on Russian gas and aluminium and even America is overly reliant on Russian titanium


If that's the case, wouldn't the Russians decide to close shop completely and sell exclusively to China, India, and all their allies instead?


It's certainly a realistic threat, which is why you're seeing this cat and mouse game.


So they're not getting kicked out wholesale from that article up thread apparently.


Just certain banks and companies probably. Rosneft, Avisma will all get exceptions.


While all the bloodshed is obviously tragic, I'm hopeful the west will take this lesson that globalization can be bad when you over rely on unreliable suppliers.

Europe can't afford to lose access to Russian energy and raw materials. It'll take a decade to wean themselves off the first and I hope they do.

Even America has problems. It's 100% reliant on foreign titanium, the number 1 and 3 producers of which are China and Russia. It could source them domestically.

 
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This is why I hate war in the 21th century. We came from knights to this:
Ukrainian writes the daughter of a Russian soldier lol complete subhuman
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“Wow why aren’t you blindly supporting Ukraine in these trying times? You must be a Russian propagandist!”


All because I filled in shitting on Ukraine while everyone else was high on their moral righteousness about how sending literal child soldiers to be militant partisans in order for trans rights to be protected in Ukraine. And here we see the evidence that your average Ukrainian soldier is as shitty as your average Russian soldier.
 
This is why I hate war in the 21th century. We came from knights to this:
Ukrainian writes the daughter of a Russian soldier lol complete subhuman
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How was Anna's email address/social media stuff obtained? Did her father have all that on a card in his wallet? I sure wouldn't. Room for doubt here...
 
How was Anna's email address/social media stuff obtained? Did her father have all that on a card in his wallet? I sure wouldn't. Room for doubt here...
>find letter signed with daughters name
>find phone with message indicating it’s from duaghter
>search name on Facebook and find daughter through mutual friends or family

Any of these alone would be enough to get that information. It also isn’t out of character considering Ukrainians and Russians were doing the same thing back in 2014 by calling up relatives in contact lists of soldiers who had cell phones on them upon death
 
>find letter signed with daughters name
>find phone with message indicating it’s from duaghter
>search name on Facebook and find daughter through mutual friends or family

Any of these alone would be enough to get that information. It also isn’t out of character considering Ukrainians and Russians were doing the same thing back in 2014 by calling up relatives in contact lists of soldiers who had cell phones on them upon death
Makes sense. Different generations.
 
And shit like this just means the river of bad blood between the Ukraine and Russia gets wider and deeper. Also means the bad blood between Russia and the rest of the world increases.

Seriously, Putin needs to declare victory and walk away. NATO/EU already sending more weaponry/supplies. US reinforcing NATO, likely also going to see UK/other Western European reinforcements. Bet Japan has also upped their air and air defense's posture. Russia's going to be out of SWIFT. May not be long until non-Russian purchasers stop buying Russian oil/minerals/etc.
If Putin was smart, he'd declare a tactical victory by saying that he's done enough damage to the Ukrainian military. He'd keep the separatist regions and then pull out. But he obviously isn't as smart as we hoped he was.

It is amazing to see how far and fast Putin has gone off the deep end. He seemed pretty stable. Guess Vlad can't stand seeing his troops not just waltzing into the Ukraine. Apparently haven't even taken Kyiv. And would suggest he hasn't that much in the way of combat-ready reinforcments to send. As previously stated, doctrine has been to use divisions continually for 3-4 days, then be relieved and pull back. Putin may only have enough reinforcements immediately available to do one rotation. Then he would have to replace worn-out units with less worn-out units. Not a winning equation, in Uncle Joe's book. Very much question of Putin has any combat-ready divisions of reservists. Would take weeks/months to get reservists ready for combat.
What did you expect? He's part of that old club of Communist elites from the USSR days. Blood is cheap in their eyes; they're willing to throw the next generation into the grinder for their ambitions, and they're willing to stay and fight a battle they're losing for the sake of pride; remember Afghanistan? If his forces eventually get worn down due to rotation, then that will end with very motivated Ukrainians armed with NATO weapons blowing through them. Their morale was already at a questionable level during the war's beginning a couple days ago. It's just going to get worse and worse as time goes on. Even if they capture Kiev, holding it will be a different game altogether; one that Putin will eventually lose.

The picture: If Russia is struggling this hard to defeat a country with a mere fraction of Russian military might, he'd get his ass kicked fighting NATO in a conventional war. All he really has are the nukes. Hope some folks in Russia are paying attention to what's going on and what's likely to happen, if you know what I mean.
The only thing keeping NATO from turning Moscow into cinders are the nukes. Which really damages the prestige of your country, when you struggle against a smaller, weaker opponent, whose capital was a spitting distance away from friendly borders, and the only thing stopping the world from shitstomping you are your nukes. At least the Israelis have won conventional wars against the Arabs.

And we could do the same to Russia. Shit in 1986 the Russians almost did it to themselves. Balance of terror.

Someone needs to pay Vlad a visit.
It's fucking hilarious how they're acting like they're the only ones with nukes. As if their country won't get reduced to a radioactive glass floor when they launch their nukes.
 
It's really just China and Russia. India needs to pay for upkeep and payments on Russian weapons, so that's why they're going to set up an alternative payment system to do that in Rupees.

The Russia/China one already exists, so if India wanted to join it they could have, but for obvious reasons won't and never will.
Because India is way way way too dependent on Western Economies and Western Capital and investment. Signing on board with Putin and Xi would crash the Indian economy overnight. And likely lead to the fall of the current government. India’s a weird place. They generally like Putin, but despise Xi and China. So no chance of a tripartite alliance between them.
 
And shit like this just means the river of bad blood between the Ukraine and Russia gets wider and deeper. Also means the bad blood between Russia and the rest of the world increases.

Seriously, Putin needs to declare victory and walk away. NATO/EU already sending more weaponry/supplies. US reinforcing NATO, likely also going to see UK/other Western European reinforcements. Bet Japan has also upped their air and air defense's posture. Russia's going to be out of SWIFT. May not be long until non-Russian purchasers stop buying Russian oil/minerals/etc.

It is amazing to see how far and fast Putin has gone off the deep end. He seemed pretty stable. Guess Vlad can't stand seeing his troops not just waltzing into the Ukraine. Apparently haven't even taken Kyiv. And would suggest he hasn't that much in the way of combat-ready reinforcments to send. As previously stated, doctrine has been to use divisions continually for 3-4 days, then be relieved and pull back. Putin may only have enough reinforcements immediately available to do one rotation. Then he would have to replace worn-out units with less worn-out units. Not a winning equation, in Uncle Joe's book. Very much question of Putin has any combat-ready divisions of reservists. Would take weeks/months to get reservists ready for combat.

The picture: If Russia is struggling this hard to defeat a country with a mere fraction of Russian military might, he'd get his ass kicked fighting NATO in a conventional war. All he really has are the nukes. Hope some folks in Russia are paying attention to what's going on and what's likely to happen, if you know what I mean.
Putin needs to at least take Kyiv in order to save face and walk away. I don't see them taking it with minimal losses anytime soon, but they eventually will. The biggest threat to Ukraine right now is honestly more likely to be the Russian battalion tactical groups advancing from Crimea, I wouldn't be surprised to see Ukraine's eastern forces get caught in a good old-fashioned cauldron battle around Mariupol soon.
 
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Still think Muskrat is generally a bellend, but this is actually a pretty based move, and could prove useful.

Also if this one's true then Putin's problems might be only just beginning. Historically having your soldiers riot and mutiny is a pretty bad fucking sign, even when you've not just got yourselves into a war.

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Because India is way way way too dependent on Western Economies and Western Capital and investment. Signing on board with Putin and Xi would crash the Indian economy overnight. And likely lead to the fall of the current government. India’s a weird place. They generally like Putin, but despise Xi and China. So no chance of a tripartite alliance between them.
They've had several border skirmishes with Red China. So if Russia does strengthen ties with China after the West cut them off, India will be forced to treat them as an enemy.

Putin needs to at least take Kyiv in order to save face and walk away. I don't see them taking it with minimal losses anytime soon, but they eventually will. The biggest threat to Ukraine right now is honestly more likely to be the Russian battalion tactical groups advancing from Crimea, I wouldn't be surprised to see Ukraine's eastern forces get caught in a good old-fashioned cauldron battle around Mariupol soon.
That seems to be the problem. He'll be able to take it, sure, but it will be a tough slog with severe casualties, and if he just walks away from it after taking it, then the world will know he ran with his tail between his legs, and he won't be able to save face at all.

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Still think Muskrat is generally a bellend, but this is actually a pretty based move, and could prove useful.
This might be a good propaganda victory for Elon.

Also if this one's true then Putin's problems might be only just beginning. Historically having your soldiers riot and mutiny is a pretty bad fucking sign, even when you've not just got yourselves into a war.

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Usually, soldiers riot after several years of see-saw warfare with no end in sight. For them to start rioting within days of the war's beginning is a really bad sign for Putin and the Russian leadership. It means that their morale has already sunk below acceptable levels before the first week of the war ended.
 
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