Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

How well is the combat this going for Russia?

  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Blyatskrieg

    Votes: 46 6.6%

  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐ A well planned strike with few faults

    Votes: 45 6.5%

  • ⭐⭐⭐ Competent attack with some upsets

    Votes: 292 42.1%

  • ⭐⭐ Worse than expected

    Votes: 269 38.8%

  • ⭐ Ukraine takes back Crimea 2022

    Votes: 42 6.1%
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billydero said:
I've as an amateur studied nuclear policy of the Cold War and I'm not an expert by any means, but I can understand some of this. We have like, what, 50 years worth of analysis by guys like Kissenger and Kahn about how escalation to nuclear war would happen, and how to control it, and yet I know the doddering old man in the White House probably barely is aware of any of that, despite having lived through it.
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I'm by no means a fan of Kissenger, but he made a really good point about all this back in 2014 on Ukraine:

"For the West, the demonization of Vladimir Putin is not a policy; it is an alibi for the absence of one."

For all his faults, he was right about Ukraine from 2000 to 2015. But in the eyes of the whole crowd in washington, Kissenger was a discredited
figure. Victory in the cold war and the rise of the neoconservative thought in BOTH parties led to basically an American policy that considers war with both
Russia and China inevitable. Diplomacy is a waste of time because American victory in any circumstances is inevitable because
its just impossible for the United States to ever lose as proved by the Cold War. Its a sort of insane circular logic, but they believe it.
 
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InsolentGaylord said:
Why are we even talking about Ukraine at this point when Putin is clearly going to Nuke other countries? Like, people fighting on the ground seems inconsequential compared to nuclear holocaust?

People are legit thinking Putin is gonna do it.
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Putin is going to nuke your mom with his DICK!
 
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Least Concern said:
Because Russia actually did start a conventional (so far) war over potential military incursions into its sphere of influence.
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The USA-backed coup in Ukraine was not "potential," and we've been supplying them arms since then. We held military exercises there in Sept 2021.

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Whataboutism itself is dismissive. It's justifying bad actions because other people have done bad actions too at some other point in time. If I murder a guy and get arrested, I don't get to go, "But what about Jack the Ripper? He murdered far more people than I did and he got away with it! You don't get to criticize and arrest me when Jack the Ripper was allowed to murder prostitutes for years!'"
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Jack the Ripper wasn't "allowed" to murder hookers, retard. He was never caught. "Whataboutism" is when I do something, you say it's bad, and I point out that everyone thought it was perfectly fine when somebody else did the same thing, and want to know why the same moral standard doesn't apply to me.

The charge of "whatboutism" was invented by redditors to justify why they can use situational ethics that have no real pattern other than, "when someone I like does it, it's okay." It's a way of dismissing any question into what your standards actually are, since they seem to change by the minute. Crying "whataboutism" is what you do when you don't feel like you need to explain why your principles are infinitely malleable.
 
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PFM said:
How does this work? Do they supply the pilots, too? Or does Ukraine just have fighter pilots on standby and no planes?
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I'm going with the false flag potential. Stick a load of European planes with Ukraine, send a couple of planes from a NATO nation on "a recon" mission and wait for Russian fighters/AA to take some pot shots at it or wait for one of the Ukrain supplied planes to be brought down and plaster tha image all over the media with shit like "Russia shoots down European jet".
 
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The Foldless Brain said:
The Russian ministry of defense are going full "no one has died" because they're propagandists. This and yesterday's version of it were both copy-pastes of the Ukrainian report and only exist in screencaps.
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To be honest, the Russian statements are often so wild that they almost make the Ukrainian stories seem credible in comparison.

TASS has released info that Russians have indeed died and that Russians are also in captivity. Also, the Ukrainian Nazis are torturing Russian prisoners in the same way as the Nazis tortured Soviet soldiers during WW2.

tass.com

Russian defense ministry reports losses among Russian troops during special operation

Konashenkov also said that several Russian soldiers have been taken prisoner
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No official numbers have been released yet. I'd be interested in seeing what the Russian claims are like.
 
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The golden neckbeard said:
Jesus christ who believes these rumors about Putin being sick? This is pure bullshit on the level of the "decapitation strike" that took out Saddam 3 days before the war.

Literally the propaganda is so easy to spot nowadays and its always from the globohomo cia
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It's propaganda to dehumanize him meanwhile our President is actually sick with dementia but the media fags tip toe around it in a manner reminiscent of the apparatchiks managing the Kremlin when Andropov and Chernenko were dying lmao
 
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Strix454 said:
The Soviet Union spent years killing and torturing in Afghanistan.
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A wildly exaggerated claim. The Soviets spent many years trying to educate the sons of the Pashtun tribesmen and win them over to Socialism. It was not very effective.
Muslims understand and respect one thing: strength. They must be unapologetically ruled with an iron fist.
 
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