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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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Why are they "completely irreplaceable" due to sanctions? Are they unable to buy our unobtanium or source the proper electronics from their good pals the Chinese, who have stolen everyone's tech and don't care about copyright or licensing?

This post would be a good amuse-bouche when you eat your hat.
Great idea buy Chinese. But wait, the Chinese are buying Russian jet engines. In fact the Chinese expect a major shortfall in readiness for up to 40% of their fighter inventory. You have a child's understanding of military technology.

 
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Why are they "completely irreplaceable" due to sanctions? Are they unable to buy our unobtanium or source the proper electronics from their good pals the Chinese, who have stolen everyone's tech and don't care about copyright or licensing?

This post would be a good amuse-bouche when you eat your hat.
Despite the memes, most western countries still have some level of domestic semiconductor industry. The UK has more than 10 semiconductor fabs, some of which produce the microcircuitry used in domestic military hardware production. US has over 40 last I checked (though that includes the enormous Intel campus in Arizona). They tend to be highly specialist production facilities rather than the mass produced commodity fabs that the Chinese specialise in, and while there will have been some attempts to compromise them by the chinese, they won't have got to all of them.

Obviously, nobody knows for sure how much of this domestic production is used for military procurement, but odds are - out of concern for pork and nothing else - a lot of US military equipment is built using domestically produced semiconductors. Things like thermal imaging and targeting systems, which the US wants to keep out of the open market so it maintains an advantage against its own equipment in foreign forces, will almost definitely use domestic production.
 
Despite the memes, most western countries still have some level of domestic semiconductor industry. The UK has more than 10 semiconductor fabs, some of which produce the microcircuitry used in domestic military hardware production. US has over 40 last I checked (though that includes the enormous Intel campus in Arizona). They tend to be highly specialist production facilities rather than the mass produced commodity fabs that the Chinese specialise in, and while there will have been some attempts to compromise them by the chinese, they won't have got to all of them.

Obviously, nobody knows for sure how much of this domestic production is used for military procurement, but odds are - out of concern for pork and nothing else - a lot of US military equipment is built using domestically produced semiconductors. Things like thermal imaging and targeting systems, which the US wants to keep out of the open market so it maintains an advantage against its own equipment in foreign forces, will almost definitely use domestic production.
That's correct, we keep production in house for military hardware and what we don't is specifically prohibited from export; however, we've had real problems with the Chinese stealing classified material and tech and its rarely publicized. That's one of the reasons someone like Hunter Biden is disturbing, but's not the only one; the offspring of many members of Congress and government have done the same. Russia would have never been allowed to access our tech even if we had good relations with them so they too produce in house or contract with China. The idea they can't replace their vehicles, tanks and aircraft is not based on reality.
 
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That's correct, we keep production in house for military hardware and what we don't is specifically prohibited from export; however, we've had real problems with the Chinese stealing classified material and tech and its rarely publicized. That's one of the reasons someone like Hunter Biden is disturbing, but's not the only one; the offspring of many members of Congress and government have done the same. Russia would have never been allowed to access our tech even if we had good relations with them so they too produce in house or contract with China. The idea they can't replace their vehicles, tanks and aircraft is not based on reality.
No, it is realistic. Russia simply doesn’t have the domestic industry to mass produce these chips and the Chinese aren’t going to give them shit - their own military build up and modernization is going to take priority. Russia is making vehicles without air bags right now due to a lack of parts,
 
The idea they can't replace their vehicles, tanks and aircraft is not based on reality.
They can but they basically have to resort to elaborate "titanium for SR-71" kind of schemes. It's not fast enough for a shooting war. Domestic semiconductor production that exists in Russia that is known is, what, 20-30 years behind?
 
That's correct, we keep production in house for military hardware and what we don't is specifically prohibited from export; however, we've had real problems with the Chinese stealing classified material and tech and its rarely publicized. That's one of the reasons someone like Hunter Biden is disturbing, but's not the only one; the offspring of many members of Congress and government have done the same. Russia would have never been allowed to access our tech even if we had good relations with them so they too produce in house or contract with China. The idea they can't replace their vehicles, tanks and aircraft is not based on reality.
It's not their tanks that they can't replace, but the high-end electronics they use in their targeting systems, which they bought from the french (I think). Russia doesn't have the capability to produce those, which is why they used a foreign supplier in the first place. China won't provide a drop-in replacement. They can't for various technical reasons, but even if they could they wouldn't, because despite the current alliance of convenience, China has designs on russian territory and would be foolish to provide a likely future opponent with equivalent technology to its own forces.
 
And yet most of the crap they'll have are shitty versions of what we have. Corruption will see to that.


It just seems that both China and Russia, back then and today, use human-wave tactics with nary a thought about the lives of their men. But at least back then, they had a replacement rate which could support such an extended war. Nowadays, neither one of them has such a replacement rate, which means that every dead man is one less potential father in a time where that could have helped stop the population decline.
The Chong spies are barely a bowl of piss. The complete failure to copy the old SU-33 (kept going on fire) for their shit carriers has been noted by me and likely others a few times and that was under licence from the Sukhoi design bureau. And everything sent to Ukraine by Western countries are stored obsolete stuff, like the near 50 yo Stinger, which is made by Raytheon in low vols to service customers. Anyhow, Putin fan girls keep saying things they know are false. Pure bad faith on their part. The current RU tactic is just repeated waves of men and vehicles. Decades of abortion, poverty and emigration makes that deeply unwise for the Russians.
 
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It's not their tanks that they can't replace, but the high-end electronics they use in their targeting systems, which they bought from the french (I think).
It was Thales. The idea that the Russians can just swap to a Chinese or indigenous substitute is wishful thinking. If that option was on the table they wouldn't have gone to a French supplier in the first place.
 
They're characterizing the various far right groups in the military, like Azov, as Nazis, and they're correct in doing so since they self identify as such. Given that they were actually invaded by the OG Nazis, it's not a stretch but you and a few others here are literally sperging about WW2 logistics and battles, not the current conflict.
You seemed intelligent enough when we were laughing at trannies together in some other threads, but the fact that you're unaware that Russia uses label "nazi" about as liberally as your average twitter leftist shows how little you actually know about them.
Nazi Germany is the greatest evil they've known in the past century besides communism, though Stockholm syndrome makes them cherish the latter and its successor today in the face of Putin and his regime.
In 2014 when Putin's cock holster Yanukovych was squeezed out of Ukraine, Putin lost his mind and put his propaganda machine into overdrive. Cult of Victory was becoming more and more cringe with every year, the West was constantly vilified in media and foreign affairs continued to sour along with increasing repressions within the country. He wants Russians to believe that they're surrounded by enemies and that only Putin can save them, and that any sacrifice toward that end is justifiable. With how much they talk about WWII, you'd think it happened just yesterday.

And it's not "Azov", they claim that Ukrain is ran by genuine nazi regime.

Brainwashed, servile Russians have little in common with freedom-loving Americans, your simping for them is incomprehensible.
 
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More bad news for the invasion force. I'm going to go on a limb and say they frontloaded the training and delivery before the announcement.
when and how are they getting ammo supplies for that shit though
rocket artillery like that burns through obscene amounts of rockets in a very short time, and i don't think ukraine has factories set up to produce ammo according to nato specification

Brainwashed, servile Russians have little in common with freedom-loving Americans, your simping for them is incomprehensible.
i think that these days the 'freedom loving americans' of the past are a minority. large portions of the US population are just as brainwashed and servile as the putin worshipping vatniks in russia.
 
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when and how are they getting ammo supplies for that shit though
rocket artillery like that burns through obscene amounts of rockets in a very short time, and i don't think ukraine has factories set up to produce ammo according to nato specification
It will take the better part of a year of the Ukrainians at best to manufacture NATO spec rockets. However the HIMARS uses the same missile cells as the M270 and a lot of ammo is coming up on expiration (ATACMS is a good example, as it's being phased out for the PSM). Like the Javelin, I'm sure a lot of stuff that is set to be turned into depot for disposal will be rerouted to the current war.
 
Despite the memes, most western countries still have some level of domestic semiconductor industry. The UK has more than 10 semiconductor fabs, some of which produce the microcircuitry used in domestic military hardware production. US has over 40 last I checked (though that includes the enormous Intel campus in Arizona). They tend to be highly specialist production facilities rather than the mass produced commodity fabs that the Chinese specialise in, and while there will have been some attempts to compromise them by the chinese, they won't have got to all of them.

Obviously, nobody knows for sure how much of this domestic production is used for military procurement, but odds are - out of concern for pork and nothing else - a lot of US military equipment is built using domestically produced semiconductors. Things like thermal imaging and targeting systems, which the US wants to keep out of the open market so it maintains an advantage against its own equipment in foreign forces, will almost definitely use domestic production.

The UK has 39 companies involved in semiconductor production or support services to that manufacturing, as well as a smattering of US companies (because a lot of UK/US developments usually benefit the other)
 
The idea they can't replace their vehicles, tanks and aircraft is not based on reality.

Russia does not even produce nails ... "nails" the bits of steel you hammer into the wood. It was words out of Matvienko in Duma.


Speaker of the Federation Council Valentina Matvienko said that it was a discovery for her that Russia imports nails, despite the production of metal in the country. She stated this during a meeting of the upper house of parliament.

This is how the chairman reacted to the words of Senator Eduard Rossel, who raised the topic of import substitution.

For me, for example, it was a kind of discovery – we have imported nails, I won’t name the country [откуда идет импорт] – guess three times. We don’t even collect nails in a country that produces so much metal.
Valentina Matvienko

Matvienko offered to give instructions to small and medium-sized businesses.

In 2020, imported nails were brought to Russia by two main suppliers – Belarus and China. They supply the country with 84.3 and 10.7% of total imports. Another 2.1% of nail imports come from products from Finland, the share of states is approximately 2.9%.

In Russia itself, nails come from the Vartsila Hardware Plant (VMZ) in Sortoval (Karelia), the Magnitogorsk Hardware and Sizing Plant (MMK-METIZ), the Volgograd Rope Plant of the Severstal holding and other companies.

On the basis of the law by Western countries, the supply of goods to Russia was suspended by many foreign companies. In addition, due to a shortage of components, AvtoVAZ, which produces domestic Lada cars, transferred its employees to a four-day work week.

The authorities can provide support to domestic producers in order to increase import substitution in some population groups. In particular, subsidizing controlled companies operating in the field of pharmaceuticals. The authorities believe that this will help reduce demand in the market for imported drugs.

In turn, Russian businessman Oleg Deripaska warns the company against appointing “import substitution chiefs.” According to him, they should not create such conditional positions, but focus solely on the needs of the business.


With oil/gas revenues Russia settled into the rut where they can't produce cheap shit as cheap as China and they can't produce high tech as sophisticated as the West, so they buy both.


I think that the best way for Russia is to start small, start making nails, once they get advanced enough, they can step up to making screws and bolts ...
 
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NATO bros... where did we go wrong?

Then how come every other news source shows otherwise?

 
Russia hasn't gained anything outside of a few scraps of territory while sustaining the greatest loss of vehicles and aircraft that any major power has suffered in the 21st century. And Putin is so desperate for manpower that he's raising the age limit for soldiers.
Hmmm... In your opinion, is Ukraine in any sort of position for a counter-offensive to regain territory or do you see a continued stalemate for the foreseeable future?
 
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