Community Tard Baby General (includes brain dead kids) - Fundies and their genetic Fuckups; Parents of corpses in denial

[Fred the bald Eagle 1]

Oh lord, another one. Found this on the dignity for all FB

This one has spoken to Hollie and taking her advice.

Comments say Archie’s army have started trolling Guy’s website leaving awful reviews.

 

[everybody in Portugal]

Oh lord, another one. Found this on the dignity for all FB

This one has spoken to Hollie and taking her advice.

Comments say Archie’s army have started trolling Guy’s website leaving awful reviews.

Are... Are they suggesting that overwork somehow led to this? What's with the focus on her timesheets? 10hr shifts aren't going to kill you, c'mon now...

 

[Garbage.Theory]

Are... Are they suggesting that overwork somehow led to this? What's with the focus on her timesheets? 10hr shifts aren't going to kill you, c'mon now...

If an 18 year old woman had a heart attack, it’s suffice to say that there was an undiagnosed heart condition. It’s a tragedy, but young and healthy people don’t get heart attacks from working mad hours.

What they likely mean is that she was young and looked healthy.

 

[everybody in Portugal]

If an 18 year old woman had a heart attack, it’s suffice to say that there was an undiagnosed heart condition. It’s a tragedy, but young and healthy people don’t get heart attacks from working mad hours.

What they likely mean is that she was young and looked healthy.

That, or she ran right outta spoons....

 

[Thomas Eugene Paris]

She's freaky looking but knowing she is aware/sentient but just being exploited by her parents for gibs overrides my ability to feel anything other than pity/anger on her behalf.

Ffs they could at least try to grift her that eagle eyes shit people like Globyn waste on potatoes since she's the kind of person it was actually designed for.

I feel like Paisley's parents, her mother more specifically, are a perfect example of a particular subset of spud cultivators who think that they're scoring some kind of TKO on the haters by triumphantly pointing out that their child is alive despite being diagnosed with a condition considered incompatible with life. They think it proves that physicians and other experts, despite having decades of education and experience, don't actually know what they're talking about. Like, "The doctors said my child would die at or before birth as a result of her myriad and catastrophic health issues, but she didn't die! Idiots! They know NOTHING! Everyone else still panders to Evil Mainstream Medicine because they aren't as special and smart as I am. Idiots!"

Meanwhile, although their child may have survived longer than physicians initially suggested, his or her quality of life is basically zero because of those very same "myriad and catastrophic health issues" which were so concerning to begin with. They think that the fact that their child continues to exist is some kind of gotcha proving that expertise is bullshit.

Gwen Hartley is another great example of this type of parent. Claire was diagnosed in infancy with severe microcephaly and multiple structural abnormalities of the brain, resulting in profound global developmental disability, epilepsy, a severe form of cerebral palsy called spastic quadriplegia, and other effects. The doctor believed (correctly, as it turns out) that what was wrong with Claire was an incurable, fatal autosomal recessive genetic disorder. He recommended that the Hartleys consider preimplantation genetic testing prior to any future pregnancies to ensure that another child would not be affected.

Gwen and Scott found this greatly offensive, and on Claire's birthday each year, Gwen would send the doctor a letter gloating that he was so totally wrong when he suggested that Claire had a terminal illness, since she was still nominally alive, after all. She seemed to find particular relish in telling him that contrary to his recommendations at the time of diagnosis, they were treating Claire's symptoms with homeopathic remedies alone, she was not on anticonvulsant medication, they had not signed a DNR order, and they had refused genetic screening prior to conceiving a third child, who ended up being affected with the same disorder.

Gwen seemed to believe that by spelling out her "fuck you" each year, she proved anew that the neurologist was an incompetent moron who had been wrong about everything.

Spoiler: Shameless fan post

The neurologist, for the record, was Dr. William Dobyns, a Mayo-educated physician and scientist who holds a board certification in clinical genetics from the American Board of Medical Genetics and Genomics and in pediatric neurology from the American Board of Psychiatry and Neurology. He is a leading authority on the mechanisms of human brain malformations, to such an extent that he literally wrote the book on classifying and describing patterns of brain malformation. He's at the University of Minnesota now, but I think he was at the University of Chicago when he saw Claire.

Dr. Dobyns has like 500 published papers, >40,000 citations, and an h-index of 105, which puts him in truly elite company. This likely means nothing to most people here, but trust me when I say that most researchers would kill to have anything close to that level of impact.

I guarantee that Dr. Dobyns didn't lose sleep over Gwen Hartley informing him annually that he was wrong, because people like him know when they're right and they don't have to concern themselves with the machinations of unqualified rubes. I'm certain, however, that he was greatly distressed by each reminder that Claire and Lola suffered needlessly because of Gwen's hubris.

A few years ago, the Child Neurology Society presented Dr. Dobyns with the Bernard Sachs Award, which is "given annually to honor someone of international status who has done leading research in neuroscience with relevance to the care of children with neurological disorders". There's a nice little write-up here for anyone who would like to read more about his contributions to medicine and society.

Dr. Dobyns isn't some hack who hung out a shingle just to dunk on Gwen.

 

[Treasure Champs]

Oh lord, another one. Found this on the dignity for all FB

This one has spoken to Hollie and taking her advice.

Comments say Archie’s army have started trolling Guy’s website leaving awful reviews.

I really thought this had to be fake because the girl is literally called Spud(yte). Apparently not, it's just the universe trolling us. (archive).

Fear not, though, Dr. Hollie is ON IT, apparently seeking to keep campaigning that 'brain stem dead' is only sort-of dead.

 

[Everything Beagle]

Truly. I'm wondering why she's not showing normal pictures where he's not just in competition/showing off his body. Parents usually have birthday or back to school photos, right? I feel like those are far more appropriate to share to your facebook group of strangers. Though, I'm probably giving her too much faith for intelligence.

Maybe all she ever took of him were those posed competition-style pictures. Why bother taking a picture if he's not on display?

 

[Bizzy Bee]

https://instagram.com/isaacmiguel.guerreiro?igshid=NWRhNmQxMjQ=

He’s been mentioned before in this thread, but I think he needs to be mentioned again. If there’s an epitome of spud, it’s this.
Parents don’t seem to be too cow-ish, but they are constantly asking for donations for his medications and stuff.

 

[Garbage.Theory]

https://instagram.com/isaacmiguel.guerreiro?igshid=NWRhNmQxMjQ=

He’s been mentioned before in this thread, but I think he needs to be mentioned again. If there’s an epitome of spud, it’s this.
Parents don’t seem to be too cow-ish, but they are constantly asking for donations for his medications and stuff.

For people who believe babies like this are “gods plan”, wtf is the plan?

 

[Sketch]

Not to take away from the Holly Dance speculation, but I saw a story about Warwick Davis, and didn’t realize his family situation.
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It’s not exactly Tard baby-level, but what do you guys think about them knowingly passing their condition on like this? Maybe the UK readers know more about the children’s health, but there must be some medical issues besides just short stature that negatively affects them. Just why put that burden on them at all? But for all I know they are perfectly healthy and happy.

I saw this kid on YouTube shorts who's parents and siblings are dwarfs.
He is not though... Kinda weird how genes work sometimes.

https://youtu.be/W-Q7eO7m2P0

 

[GenociderSyo]

I saw this kid on YouTube shorts who's parents and siblings are dwarfs.
He is not though... Kinda weird how genes work sometimes.

https://youtu.be/W-Q7eO7m2P0

He lives across from Cecil Hotel that may explain everything....

 

[GreenHell]

https://instagram.com/isaacmiguel.guerreiro?igshid=NWRhNmQxMjQ=

He’s been mentioned before in this thread, but I think he needs to be mentioned again. If there’s an epitome of spud, it’s this.
Parents don’t seem to be too cow-ish, but they are constantly asking for donations for his medications and stuff.

Why would you carry a special needs child to term, and then decide to keep it, if you aren't able to afford proper medical care?

I'm going to hazard a guess: "God will provide."

 

[Carnavoyeur]

https://instagram.com/isaacmiguel.guerreiro?igshid=NWRhNmQxMjQ=

He’s been mentioned before in this thread, but I think he needs to be mentioned again. If there’s an epitome of spud, it’s this.
Parents don’t seem to be too cow-ish, but they are constantly asking for donations for his medications and stuff.

This nigga looks like a Goron

 

[Bizzy Bee]

Why would you carry a special needs child to term, and then decide to keep it, if you aren't able to afford proper medical care?

I'm going to hazard a guess: "God will provide."

I would say you’re right. Parents seem super religious and are always thanking god and shit

 

[Jeep1971]

He’s “definitely put on weight” but weighs 200g less than last week?

Does she understand how basic maths works?

The fluids have nothing to do with it love. He’s losing weight because he’s dead.

Is it just me that hates all this talk of “absorbing” feed? Like it’s some huge positive that he’s eating well or something. Rather than what it is which is managing to get liquid nutrients into a corpse and not have it run straight out the arse.

Speaking of the arse.....would his bowels be "sloughing off" at this point? Medfags?
I recall a nurse testifying at one point that Jahis gut was sloughing off.

 

[Resting Peach Face]

If the UK does post mortems similarly to where I'm from, he will still absolutely be referred to the Coroner as an unexpected death and an external examination (including photos) plus toxicology will be done. Even if a death is obvious (eg. drove a car into pole and the head was found a few feet away), this is still done but you can skip an invasive post mortem because it's obvious HOW they died (no head).
So as for toxicology, could Hollie be trying to delay so something naughty isn't found in his system? Well they can certainly opt to do hair testing if there was a concern.

Also based on experience with another child that went "missing" and had a huge public response of sympathy, only to have the parents arrested a few weeks later for the kid's murder, the Police often know when something is very suss but they can't/won't say anything in order to get more evidence. So they are likely sitting back and waiting for Archie to be officially legally dead (again).

Lastly, it feels telling that Hollie hasn't posted any particularly recent photos of Archie. His hair is quite long now (admittedly he's had 3 months to grow it in ICU), all the photos they are clearly much older. The gymnastics certificates are dated 2018! What's been happening recently for her to not want to take/show photos?

Generally speaking the UK does invasive post mortems only where they are necessary to determine cause of death - where death has occurred suddenly (and medical records do not indicate pre-existing disease that would explain that) or where there is some suspicion of medical negligence (& the family members request further investigation). There are some other scenarios but I won't spurge because it's not relevant here.

In Archie's case the cause of death is already well established: hypoxic brain injury as a result of hanging using a ligature, leading to catastrophic brain injury & subsequent death of the brain stem. All of this is well documented with medical records with MRI scans documenting the decline. At this point I suspect that PM toxicology would not be helpful either - he's spent 3 months in hospital being treated with all manner of drugs to keep his body going which would skew results. If they had any suspicions about malicious administering of substances prior to his "event" then the samples will have already been taken & tested at the request of the police when he was first admitted to hospital.

You are absolutely right in that the death will be referred to the Coroner but here the coroner does not require even an external PM exam in order to open an inquest where there are sufficient medical records to establish the cause of death. The purpose of the inquest will be to rule not on the "how" of his death but on the "why" (suicide or misadventure being the two most likely to be considered - if unlawful killing was likely to be on the table then the police would be crawling all over the family already).

 

[Sparkling Yuzu]

Not to take away from the Holly Dance speculation, but I saw a story about Warwick Davis, and didn’t realize his family situation.
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It’s not exactly Tard baby-level, but what do you guys think about them knowingly passing their condition on like this? Maybe the UK readers know more about the children’s health, but there must be some medical issues besides just short stature that negatively affects them. Just why put that burden on them at all? But for all I know they are perfectly healthy and happy.

I think it's unethical to knowingly pass on any genetic disorder or deformity. They could have selected normal embryos. That would have been the only ethical choice. Think of it how vets talk about SMASHED and SLAMMED animals. Lots of people like the look of dwarf animals and brachycephalic breeds. They think it's cute but most professionals consider it animal cruelty to breed them. It should be considered the same with humans. You have to think, not just of how society currently is, but how these people would fare if society collapsed. Could they survive without modern medical care?

If an 18 year old woman had a heart attack, it’s suffice to say that there was an undiagnosed heart condition. It’s a tragedy, but young and healthy people don’t get heart attacks from working mad hours.

What they likely mean is that she was young and looked healthy.

She might have had HCM- hypertrophic cardiomyopathy. It's the most common case of sudden cardiac death in young healthy athletes. Not sure about healthy young non-athletes but probably.

 

[A tree]

I think it's unethical to knowingly pass on any genetic disorder or deformity. They could have selected normal embryos. That would have been the only ethical choice. Think of it how vets talk about SMASHED and SLAMMED animals. Lots of people like the look of dwarf animals and brachycephalic breeds. They think it's cute but most professionals consider it animal cruelty to breed them. It should be considered the same with humans. You have to think, not just of how society currently is, but how these people would fare if society collapsed. Could they survive without modern medical care?

She might have had HCM- hypertrophic cardiomyopathy. It's the most common case of sudden cardiac death in young healthy athletes. Not sure about healthy young non-athletes but probably.

Really *any* genetic fuckup? There's not one human on this earth who doesn't have a genetic fuckup or some kind of legacy in their genes. You might not even know what you were passing on, some things don't get bad until you're older.
None of the autists here would even exist.

 

[Mouth of ᾍδης]

I think it's unethical to knowingly pass on any genetic disorder or deformity. They could have selected normal embryos. That would have been the only ethical choice. Think of it how vets talk about SMASHED and SLAMMED animals. Lots of people like the look of dwarf animals and brachycephalic breeds. They think it's cute but most professionals consider it animal cruelty to breed them. It should be considered the same with humans. You have to think, not just of how society currently is, but how these people would fare if society collapsed. Could they survive without modern medical care?

She might have had HCM- hypertrophic cardiomyopathy. It's the most common case of sudden cardiac death in young healthy athletes. Not sure about healthy young non-athletes but probably.

An important distinction to consider is that cats and dogs aren’t as intelligent as humans. Humans with dwarfism can live full lives. They’re capable of understanding their condition and even when it’s tough, they have a sense of time and know that their pain, be it physical or psychological, will not last.
It seems that our pets, however, are only aware of their immediate situation especially in times of distress. All the disabled cat knows when it’s in pain is, “I’m hurting and I’m scared.” She cannot look to the future and she does not understand that the vet is trying to help her. That is all she will ever know when she is in pain because she is an animal that evolved to react to distress strictly in a fight or flight manner.
Sure, children also struggle with perspective, but they can grow to understand and become functioning adults who tolerate their given circumstances; you know, like every other functioning adult, disabled or not. That doesn’t mean all of them will, but the difference here is that they will be capable (assuming they aren’t potatoes).
Livestock is the worst though. I’ve seen a lot of vegan groups who build wheelchairs for genetically-fucked up cows that can’t walk on their own. Those things are especially pitiful because they’re herd animals who freak out at everything, and I don’t understand how anyone would see shooting it in the head as cruel, but stressing it out by attaching it to a restrictive contraception as humane.
But generally speaking, a kid who needs a wheelchair (and there are a lot of them) can be just as happy as a kid who doesn’t need a wheelchair.

 

[Fred the bald Eagle 1]

This Spud case is showing all the signs.

Hospital’s responsibility to get CCTV footage of her fall because the police won’t.
Negligence from the hospital
Hospital likened to auschwitz
Condition could still turn around
Brain still “partially alive”
Hospital withholding information
Mum not getting that the “child” is an adult.

Go fund me all set up for “legal fees”.

I have a feeling the Archie thing is going to mean more idiot parents trying to force hospitals to keep their dead kids on life support.