This is a doozy. The original post is more than big enough now, so I won't try to stuff this in here.
The Dragon Demands is a little subdued for now. He swings between depression and mania. Plan for this thread is to dive into his history and pluck out the hightlights until
THE GREAT RED DRAGON awakens again.
The Dragon Demands v Werthead v Mike Hunt
Lore from twenty one one four.
Adam Whitehead - Werthead - is a semi professional blogger. He is all over the online spaces for sci-fi and fantasy. He created the wiki - what was then gameofthrone.wikia.com - now fandom.com. Hence he was the only admin initially, and defacto head.
Westeros.org is a semi-official fanclub for George R.R. Martins books. The couple that own it have co-authored two in-world history books with Martin. They battled and banned whiners who disrespected Martin over his age, weight, or failure to publish what they want. Werthead was one of their mods.
IsWinterComing.com (R.I.P) was a refuge for the trolls banned from Westeros and elsewhere. Westeros.org got them bbooted off multiple hosts until they set up their own website. Had some funny shit but most threads descended into a knitting circle. This year it was dead and they stopped renewing the domain. However, in that time period, IsWinterComing.com was the main rebel base for trolls.
At some point the other losers on the wiki got jealous of Werthead. He was something of a big deal in the Thrones fanbase and too busy to do much on the wiki. He got paid trips to appear at conventions when the proletariat doing the editing could not even get free tickets. The wiki workers of the world rose up, led by The Dragon Demands, and Caeser'ed Werthead.
2014-08-15
The Dragon Demands complains that Werthead got a free trip and gave the workers nothing back in return:
I was very excited that Wikia got to set up a panel with cast members like this.
I have been unable to find any major reports or video of the panel.
What was it like? Was any of our submitted Q&A answered?
I don't understand: how was this panel associated with Wikia as a topic?
How did you promote or discuss Game of Thrones Wiki at the panel? What did the cast have to say about it? (we always hope they read our stuff)
You didn't give a report on how the panel went on the wiki so I was unaware what happened. The Wikia panel was almost four months ago, and the only thing you mentioned about it on Game of Thrones Wiki before was three months ago when you loaded that photo of you with Alfie Allen (Theon Greyjoy):
http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/User:Werthead?diff=134785&oldid=28401
I wasn't sure what had happened.
Werthead was hanging out with Hollywood stars. That's gotta sting.
2014-08-22
The Dragon Demands fumed for a week, with no reply from Werthead. You have awakened the Great Red Dragon. He signs up for IsWinterComing to announce his attack on Werthead. They are not fans of Werthead because he is one of the mods that banned them from Westeros.org. But The Dragon Demands is an even bigger forum-Nazi. They do not want to become his personal army. So they troll him.
This is the archive of his user page. Very little else remains from that site.
https://web.archive.org/web/2021060...ng.com/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=1270
There had previously been a fake The Dragon Demands account on the site, so naturally they have him verify himself. They ask him to add them to his list of heads on spikes. He unquestioningly obliges
i.e. don't mock my cunt.
Genius.
We all like my cunt, but the real
consequence is he cannot deny planning his attack on Werthead months in advance.
From a mod:
"HOLY SHIT! I still think you are a douchebag. But now you are our douchebag. There is no going back."
There really was no going back.
2014-10-04
The Dragon Demands calls out Werthead. He manufactured a crisis over having to write a page all by himself - that he probably just wanted to write. There was nothing nothing urgent about this.
You should have written this.
You are the head Administrator of this wiki.
I didn't at the time because I was two weeks away from the deadline to finish my Master's thesis and pass language tests so I could graduate from university. Then, with seven more episodes of Season 4 to go, and a mountain of other information to process, the controversy was already weeks old so I tried to focus on getting a handle on the more current stuff. I did what I could writing up information from Season 4. I was in no position to post it at the time, and QueenBuffy didn't have HBO access.
Why didn't you pay any attention to this issue, despite the fact that it was making the online fandom explode?
...
Answer me today, Adam. Not a week from now.--The Dragon Demands
Artificial deadline is a nice touch, knowing full well that guy is busy with a day job and a professional blog.
2014-10-05
Let's roll. Following day he is back on the troll site looking for asspats.
The Great Red Dragon wrote:
Everyone check in frequently on Saturday morning, between 6 and 12 hours from now.
I need to say some things.
The truce of the internet will be shattered.
This will be the old days, the bad days, the all-or-nothing days. They're back.
There are no choices left, and I'm ready for war.
2014-10-07
The weak wiki workers vote out Werthead.
The Dragon Demands informs the company, but his aggression back fires.
Adam Whitehead must lose all Administrator privileges on Game of Thrones Wiki.
In addition, I want him thrown off of the NYCC 2014 panel. He can still attend in the audience as any other private citizen could. If you do revoke his privilege, and he ignores it and attempts to claim VIP status when I go to the same panel this Thursday, I respectfully ask your permission to quietly and politely ask the convention Security staff to forcibly remove him from the panel.
--The Dragon Demands (talk) 19:35, October 7, 2014 (UTC)
Hi The Dragon Demands. We will not be removing Adam as a panelist. He has our full support as a representative both of Wikia and Game of Thrones Wiki, and he has been very successful at that in past appearances. We are looking forward to seeing him again in New York and continuing to work with him.
If the community feels Adam shouldn't be an administrator anymore, then the community can hold a vte on that. There is a clear and established community-based process for admin removal. Wikia Staff does not get involved in that, because it is a local decision.
Finally, and most importantly, we consider your comment about asking convention security to "forcibly remove" Adam from the panel to be a threat. We have therefore contacted the convention organizers and are revoking your pass to the event. You will not be in attendance at the panel, and you will not be given a pass to enter the convention from Wikia.
- Brandon Rhea(talk) 21:44, October 7, 2014 (UTC)
My exact words, written only a paragraph above here, were "If you do revoke his privilege, and he ignores it and attempts to claim VIP status when I go to the same panel this Thursday, I respectfully ask your permission to quietly and politely ask the convention Security staff to forcibly remove him from the panel.
As in, I was worried that he'd come even if you directly told him not to. If. Conditional. And the part where I said "only if I have your permission to tell Security that".
No, you cannot possibly construe that as "a threat". I am making no physical threats. I am very sorry if this was misconstrued ser, and with the utmost respect to you and Adam as a private citizen, I never intended that as a physical threat (I probably should have phrased that as "have you barred from entering").
Moreover, over on the main forum page, I already made a counter-proposal that I wouldn't oppose Adam being on the panel provided that he also announce his voluntary retirement.
I plead with you to reconsider and reinstate my panel pass. How can that be a threat when I was asking you for permission to do that or not? Also because I do not want it even remotely considered that I would stoop to physical threats.
I also do not know how Adam's past panels were considered "a success"; this is the first any of us heard of that. He gave no report on them. He's been on the wiki so infrequently that I openly question if he was able to really discuss anything in particular about it. I simply wasn't there: what exactly did Adam do that made the panel "a success"? Did he mention Game of Thrones Wiki at all? Describe things about it? Or did he just generally say "wikis need contributions from fans like you!".
--The Dragon Demands (talk) 22:08, October 7, 2014 (UTC)
The decision has been made. We do not consider your behavior here appropriate. Additionally, per your last comment in the forum thread, Adam did not twist anyone's words. This was a Wikia decision that Adam was not involved in making.
- Brandon Rhea(talk) 22:23, October 7, 2014 (UTC)
What was inappropriate? Filing a complaint against Adam? Or that I'm being accused of making a threat? Do you genuinely believe that asking if it was appropriate to ask about con Security was me threatening to physically assault Adam? I am sorry that I keep insisting on the point ser, but being on the panel or not, I do not want it said that I ever said anything remotely like physically threatening another editor.
--The Dragon Demands (talk) 22:31, October 7, 2014 (UTC)
I apologize if I have been terse, in no way do I mean to disrespect your authority.
--The Dragon Demands (talk) 00:25, October 8, 2014 (UTC)
I understand and accept that you don't want me to go to NYCC now for fear that I will verbally argue with Adam, and it's too late to change plans. So I'm not going, and I'm not contesting that. But please acknowledge that I never at any point physically "threatened" Adam. Nor did Adam himself ever say he felt I did. That is serious and I never did that. I am sorry if my complaint was misconstrued that way.
--The Dragon Demands (talk) 04:18, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
I never said anything about "physically" threatening. That's not the only kind of threat. Additionally, per your recent forum comments, I'm not sure why you think Adam is running panels, but he's not. Wikia runs panels.
- Brandon Rhea(talk) 12:27, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
Oh. Well thank you, then. I just wanted to make sure we were explicitly clear that I never "physically threatened" anyone.
--The Dragon Demands (talk) 16:40, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
He is banned from the convention in New York because he overplayed his hand in his drive to eviscerate Werthead.
Epilogue
He left a trail of breadcrumbs all over the internet because he lacks the self awareness to recognise the bad optics. Years later it was noticed on Reddit and Twitter. 'The Great Red Dragon' returns to IsWinterComing.com to
DELETE FUCKING EVERYTHING. He edits all his comments to '...' which must have taken an hour or two. We know he did it by hand because sometimes it was 3 dots, 5 dots, a line of dots. The website is gone anyway, but the user page was archived and the user verification on his wiki profile is in the history and he cannot remove it.
The Dragon Demands eventually expressed remorse over this. An LGBT verified twitter user who was personally offended by The Dragon Demands kindly sent me a
2022 video where he revisits that incident (timestamp 1hr 6mins). The whole video is pretty tragic.
Adam 'Werthead' Whitehead just got on with his life, if you can call it a life. He lives in a dirty room and works as part time sci-fi/fantasy blogger. But there was a happy ending for Adam.
George R.R. Martin helped Werthead get the Hugo nomination.
You cannot ignore
THE GREAT RED DRAGON.
I am being sent leads by various mysterious people but writing them up is emotional labour and that is problematic YADAYADAYA ...
Anyone else dig out something juicy from his past? Let's keep this thread rolling, post it,
there is gold in those hills over there.