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What about Revolutionary Catalonia?
Anarchism is a retarded system of government and would never work in practice
A lot of things are great ideas in theory but I don't remember which philosopher said it but reality is not theoretical
These people however are not anarchists cuz when I used to hang around with the anarchist left-wing back in the day they just wanted to smoke pot and hate the government
 
What about Revolutionary Catalonia?

It was both horrifically oppressive and fucking retarded, just like CHAZ.


Anarchism is a retarded system of government and would never work in practice
A lot of things are great ideas in theory but I don't remember which philosopher said it but reality is not theoretical
These people however are not anarchists cuz when I used to hang around with the anarchist left-wing back in the day they just wanted to smoke pot and hate the government

Even Ben Tucker went full doomer near the end of his life. He even thought that both human civilization, and anarchism by extension, was doomed.

Needless to say, not only is anarchism retarded, it's draining on the emotional health of anyone who embraces it. Anarchists are seldom happy people.
 
Anarchism is a retarded system of government and would never work in practice
A lot of things are great ideas in theory but I don't remember which philosopher said it but reality is not theoretical
These people however are not anarchists cuz when I used to hang around with the anarchist left-wing back in the day they just wanted to smoke pot and hate the government
It was both horrifically oppressive and fucking retarded, just like CHAZ.




Even Ben Tucker went full doomer near the end of his life. He even thought that both human civilization, and anarchism by extension, was doomed.

Needless to say, not only is anarchism retarded, it's draining on the emotional health of anyone who embraces it. Anarchists are seldom happy people.
I know it’s retarded I just wanted to show Hegel that it had been tested and it’s retarded lul
 
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It was both horrifically oppressive and fucking retarded, just like CHAZ.




Even Ben Tucker went full doomer near the end of his life. He even thought that both human civilization, and anarchism by extension, was doomed.

Needless to say, not only is anarchism retarded, it's draining on the emotional health of anyone who embraces it. Anarchists are seldom happy people.
George Orwell was an anarchist and he said that Catalonia blackpilled him. It just kind of surprises me that Orwell was intelligent but was still a lefty. He became disillusioned with communism after Stalin, anarchism after Catalonia, and at the end of his life he was a “democratic socialist”. If only he had let go of the capitalism boogeyman
 
George Orwell was an anarchist and he said that Catalonia blackpilled him. It just kind of surprises me that Orwell was intelligent but was still a lefty. He became disillusioned with communism after Stalin, anarchism after Catalonia, and at the end of his life he was a “democratic socialist”. If only he had let go of the capitalism boogeyman
It was trendy in his circle, so I think peer pressure is part of the reason he never fully abandoned the Left. He even talks about it in his book at least a little bit, and how disappointed he was that they all talked so big but didn't do anything in the Spanish Civil War like he did. Breaking out of that kind of social situation is hard to do, even after you've had redpills forced down your gullet at gunpoint by Soviet commissars.

At the end of the day I think the realization he came close to but never quite hit was that Leftism is a luxury belief. It's popular in the intelligentsia but only very rarely in the masses aside from economic platforms like trade unionism (which isn't always left-wing as you might think of it, since it values protectionism and in-group preference as opposed to internationalism and out-group preference).
 
It was both horrifically oppressive and fucking retarded, just like CHAZ.




Even Ben Tucker went full doomer near the end of his life. He even thought that both human civilization, and anarchism by extension, was doomed.

Needless to say, not only is anarchism retarded, it's draining on the emotional health of anyone who embraces it. Anarchists are seldom happy people.
Even Proudhon saw that pure anarchy was impossible, utopian, and dangerous to pursuse ,hence he also described himself as a federalist. He wanted to decentralize power away from the elites in Paris and give it to the provinces and the people. When he was elected to the French parliment, he ran on a platform of decentalization and populism, protecting the interests of the provinces as well as the workers, peasents, artisans, and small landholders. His views and policies were somewhat similar to the Jeffersonians here in America
 
Here's a funny question you can use to troll Commies. If Communism is so great why isn't the USSR around anymore? After all, if Communism is a superior ideology then it should have dethroned Capitalism by now.

It's the same question I ask Fascists and other extremist nutjobs (like religious nationalists and Anarchists) about their ideologies. If their ideology is so great, then why don't most people want to adopt them? Could it be that most people out there are not batshit insane and want to live a normal life where they're not forced to worship the state or not be forced to worship deity like you see in countries like North Korea or Iran? Hmm.

I mean shit the reason why you're not seeing everyday hardworking people becoming Commies is because why would they surrender their individual rights to some hack that promises them free shit? That's another thing, the only type of people that extremist ideologies attract are usually the people that are morally bankrupt and society's angsty outcasts that nobody fucking likes anyway.

The only people that will pretty much become a Communist these days are people that made tons of bad choices in life to blame society, rich fucks like Vuash and Hasanabi that were born with a gold spoon in their mouths, and college gradates that got indoctrinated by the leftist professors and they now think they know everything about the world around them.

So the reason why normal people don't want Communism is for the same reasons why normal people don't really want Fascism or Anarchism or any other wacko ideology for that matter; those are the ideologies of losers and unhinged nobodies that are the punchline of a joke anyway.

Yeah they will give cope arguments like "Capitalist Infiltration," or blocked from trade pacts, but even with those cope answers, shouldn't a perfect ideology have defenses from outside influence? Even this argument falls flat on its face given that the USSR was one of the most resource and population rich empires to ever exist with a solid amount of intelligent people to see things through and it failed abysmally should tell many what's up. Maybe having an economic system that's practically a religion in of itself is a terrible idea especially given that all decisions will eventually boil down to towing the party line? But what do I know.
 
Maybe it's retarded ideas like a NFT restaurant?
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Yes that is true. Proudhon did believe in universal ownership of land and the means of production and that in order for someones claims to property to be valid they had to be actively using that property, which is in line with what ancoms believe. However Proudhon also said that property is freedom. The context of this seemingly contradictory quote is that he was referring to the product of ones labor, which a person has an absolute right to as they worked to create it. This is incompatible with communism as communism requires that everyone gives according to their abilities, and takes according to their needs, which is the exact opposite of what Proudhon believed. While I quite like Proudhon, I don't agree with everything he had to say (I wouldn't consider myself an anarchist), and I was just trying to explain how ancoms will try to claim that they are the only really anarchists and that Anarcho capitalism is an oxymoron because it doesn't call in line with what anarchism original was, yet at the same time they deviate heavily from what anarchism originally was as well.
He also said that "property is theft," so it makes sense on why many communists try to reconcile anarchism with communism.
Actually, "Property is Theft" was referring to French Noblemen stealing land from peasants before the French Revolution. He was having trouble with Property and Ownership and he believed the 2 concepts became entangled by the State.
 
George Orwell was an anarchist and he said that Catalonia blackpilled him. It just kind of surprises me that Orwell was intelligent but was still a lefty. He became disillusioned with communism after Stalin, anarchism after Catalonia, and at the end of his life he was a “democratic socialist”. If only he had let go of the capitalism boogeyman
It was trendy in his circle, so I think peer pressure is part of the reason he never fully abandoned the Left. He even talks about it in his book at least a little bit, and how disappointed he was that they all talked so big but didn't do anything in the Spanish Civil War like he did. Breaking out of that kind of social situation is hard to do, even after you've had redpills forced down your gullet at gunpoint by Soviet commissars.

At the end of the day I think the realization he came close to but never quite hit was that Leftism is a luxury belief. It's popular in the intelligentsia but only very rarely in the masses aside from economic platforms like trade unionism (which isn't always left-wing as you might think of it, since it values protectionism and in-group preference as opposed to internationalism and out-group preference).
Geroge Orewell in most of his life was a very altruistic person and it's because in his day he grew up in a world that seemed pretty bleak and dark as the bottom of the ocean (much like today). He saw World War 1 and how damaging it was because the former European the Muslim empires destroyed themselves and the lives of innocents in the name of their own ego. He grew up during the post-Industrial Revolution era where big rich fat cats would take advantage of others and even playing any weak governments like fools while brutally exploiting their own workers even if it costed workers their lives (in the days of the legendary monopolies such as the Standard Oil Company, a person's life was worth pennies because workers were that expendable). He saw how men, women, and children of the most lowest social class of England would gather together and voluntarily go into the rivers and lakes being contaminated by the factories that poured in their hazardous waste into the once clean waters where people would try to dig in the murky waters for valuables that they can sell to have food and something to drink on the table because they weren't given as many opportunities to better their own lives anyway.

The life for Orwell in his day seemed pretty dark so naturally Orwell, like many people in his day, he became a commie and he thought that Communism was the answer to humanity's problems and it seemed like things were going to get better as this new idea known as Communism seemed like the hope for the bleak world he lived in. Well he was proven wrong when the USSR went from being a spark of hope when Lenin was in power to a nightmare when Stalin came to power and this is where he started to question his own beliefs.

When the Spanish Civil War happened (which he joined because he genuinely believed in the cause and actually gave a damn about Spain having a secular government), he would become disillusioned with Communism from this point on once he saw how toxic and non-productive many of these stupid commies were and this is where he pretty much realized that his far-left beliefs that he held at the time aren't that much different from the beliefs of the imperialist monarchs of old then.

The only reason why George Orwell still remained a leftist in his final days of life is because truth be told, he actually had principles and stuck by them unlike many of his fellow leftists that only get into Left-Wing politics for money and power. He still believed that the world can get better if humanity would just put aside their differences and worked together for the common good and wanted the world to be a better place, he truly believed that humanity could better itself if people sat down and worked together and that kindness and love prevailed over darkness and hate but sadly many of the leftists at the time (like now) were never like George Orwell and he was greatly disappointed to see his fellow leftists care about themselves than actually bettering society per se.

Had George Orwell was alive long enough to see the rise and the demise of the Hippie movement that was prevalent in the 1960's then he would have most likely been totally disillusioned with Leftist politics altogether once he saw just how violent and hypocritical the boomer hippies were and Orwell would at least probably become a centrist by that point. Geroge Orwell, truth be told, was truly a kind soul that only wanted the world to stop destroying itself and get better but sadly the rest of the world didn't wanted to show the same kindness like he did anyway.
 
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George Orwell was an anarchist and he said that Catalonia blackpilled him. It just kind of surprises me that Orwell was intelligent but was still a lefty. He became disillusioned with communism after Stalin, anarchism after Catalonia, and at the end of his life he was a “democratic socialist”. If only he had let go of the capitalism boogeyman
In all perfect fairness, George Orwell came from a time where Capitalism's worst excesses hadn't been fully reeled in yet. Commie positions are somewhat justifiable when the status quo has ordinary people working backbreaking jobs with long hours for little pay while the ruling classes are plotting to throw them all into a meat grinder for cock measuring competitions. The only reason why more people hadn't joined communist movements back in the day is because their leadership (or should I say, (((leadership)))) was dabbling in all manners of feckless degeneracy already.

After Stalin came to power and especially after WW2 ended, it became abundantly clear that commie diehards didn't care about inequality, they just wanted to rule society for themselves, and all the power to the worker language was just to help them get there. They also had competition from social democrat parties who wanted reform without wanting to become petty tyrants, and all the normal people flocked to those instead. Orwell would've sworn off far left bullshit eventually had he lived for longer. Just like most other people in the western world. Just like most ordinary folks under communism did as well, just in secret so they wouldn't get a bullet in the head.

Fast forward to today, is it any surprise the commie and anarchy movements are filled with grifters and degenerates? They're ideologies for people who want attention and power for themselves, and grifting dumbasses are attracted to that like flies to shit. Any intelligent people jumped off the bandwagon long ago, leaving a bunch of gullible retards behind in the process.
 
In all perfect fairness, George Orwell came from a time where Capitalism's worst excesses hadn't been fully reeled in yet. Commie positions are somewhat justifiable when the status quo has ordinary people working backbreaking jobs with long hours for little pay while the ruling classes are plotting to throw them all into a meat grinder for cock measuring competitions. The only reason why more people hadn't joined communist movements back in the day is because their leadership (or should I say, (((leadership)))) was dabbling in all manners of feckless degeneracy already.

After Stalin came to power and especially after WW2 ended, it became abundantly clear that commie diehards didn't care about inequality, they just wanted to rule society for themselves, and all the power to the worker language was just to help them get there. They also had competition from social democrat parties who wanted reform without wanting to become petty tyrants, and all the normal people flocked to those instead. Orwell would've sworn off far left bullshit eventually had he lived for longer. Just like most other people in the western world. Just like most ordinary folks under communism did as well, just in secret so they wouldn't get a bullet in the head.

Fast forward to today, is it any surprise the commie and anarchy movements are filled with grifters and degenerates? They're ideologies for people who want attention and power for themselves, and grifting dumbasses are attracted to that like flies to shit. Any intelligent people jumped off the bandwagon long ago, leaving a bunch of gullible retards behind in the process.

Real truth on that as most people just want to live normal lives and those who seek to radically reshape society fail to understand that.
 
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Hakim comments are interesting...

So the reason why normal people don't want Communism is for the same reasons why normal people don't really want Fascism or Anarchism or any other wacko ideology for that matter; those are the ideologies of losers and unhinged nobodies that are the punchline of a joke anyway.
Ideologies like fascism, communism, and Nazism only came about because of extreme circumstances.

The neoliberal order has shitty aspects, but its not Brunning era Germany, Colonial Vietnam, or 1918 Russia. People value their freedom and only give it up when they see threats.
 
Geroge Orewell in most of his life was a very altruistic person and it's because in his day he grew up in a world that seemed pretty bleak and dark as the bottom of the ocean (much like today). He saw World War 1 and how damaging it was because the former European the Muslim empires destroyed themselves and the lives of innocents in the name of their own ego. He grew up during the post-Industrial Revolution era where big rich fat cats would take advantage of others and even playing any weak governments like fools while brutally exploiting their own workers even if it costed workers their lives (in the days of the legendary monopolies such as the Standard Oil Company, a person's life was worth pennies because workers were that expendable). He saw how men, women, and children of the most lowest social class of England would gather together and voluntarily go into the rivers and lakes being contaminated by the factories that poured in their hazardous waste into the once clean waters where people would try to dig in the murky waters for valuables that they can sell to have food and something to drink on the table because they weren't given as many opportunities to better their own lives anyway.

The life for Orwell in his day seemed pretty dark so naturally Orwell, like many people in his day, he became a commie and he thought that Communism was the answer to humanity's problems and it seemed like things were going to get better as this new idea known as Communism seemed like the hope for the bleak world he lived in. Well he was proven wrong when the USSR went from being a spark of hope when Lenin was in power to a nightmare when Stalin came to power and this is where he started to question his own beliefs.

When the Spanish Civil War happened (which he joined because he genuinely believed in the cause and actually gave a damn about Spain having a secular government), he would become disillusioned with Communism from this point on once he saw how toxic and non-productive many of these stupid commies were and this is where he pretty much realized that his far-left beliefs that he held at the time aren't that much different from the beliefs of the imperialist monarchs of old then.

The only reason why George Orwell still remained a leftist in his final days of life is because truth be told, he actually had principles and stuck by them unlike many of his fellow leftists that only get into Left-Wing politics for money and power. He still believed that the world can get better if humanity would just put aside their differences and worked together for the common good and wanted the world to be a better place, he truly believed that humanity could better itself if people sat down and worked together and that kindness and love prevailed over darkness and hate but sadly many of the leftists at the time (like now) were never like George Orwell and he was greatly disappointed to see his fellow leftists care about themselves than actually bettering society per se.

Had George Orwell was alive long enough to see the rise and the demise of the Hippie movement that was prevalent in the 1960's then he would have most likely been totally disillusioned with Leftist politics altogether once he saw just how violent and hypocritical the boomer hippies were and Orwell would at least probably become a centrist by that point. Geroge Orwell, truth be told, was truly a kind soul that only wanted the world to stop destroying itself and get better but sadly the rest of the world didn't wanted to show the same kindness like he did anyway.
Orwell was very much an idealistic that slowly lost his way as time went on. If he didn't smoke a pack a day, he would probably not consider himself a leftist, as you said yourself.

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Hakim comments are interesting...


Ideologies like fascism, communism, and Nazism only came about because of extreme circumstances.

The neoliberal order has shitty aspects, but its not Brunning era Germany, Colonial Vietnam, or 1918 Russia. People value their freedom and only give it up when they see threats.
"...given equal levels of economic development" This implies equality is inherently beneficial.
 
Orwell was very much an idealistic that slowly lost his way as time went on. If he didn't smoke a pack a day, he would probably not consider himself a leftist, as you said yourself.


"...given equal levels of economic development" This implies equality is inherently beneficial.
Well inequality helped drive competition and the drive to better oneself whether personally, locally, regionally, or nationally. How many times in history as a deemed economic or culturally backwards people conquered a more established one?
 
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