Not Just Bikes / r/fuckcars / Urbanists / New Urbanism / Car-Free / Anti-Car - People and grifters who hate personal transport, freedom, cars, roads, suburbs, and are obsessed with city planning and urban design

[WhiskeyJack]

@Cyberpunk Panatela
Dang, that's thorough! The only thing I'd add, just because it's a weird bit of trivia, is that some of the loudest critics of the "Peak Oil" theorists in the early 2000's were actually the 911 Truthers, of all people.

I never got into Peak Oil, always seemed to ignore how market incentives work and that there are already several viable alternatives to oil that already exist (ethanol, biodiesel, woodgas, biogasoline, etc) that would just expand to take up more of the market if the oil supply ever did start to decline. And I've never heard of Transition Towns before, but it sounds like a slight rebranding of Chellis Glendinning's form of early 90's Neo-Luddism*, possibly mixed with some 2000's Permaculture (literal prepping for leftist hipsters) and the Earthship movement.

I wonder if the modern Tiny House movement has any overlap.

*Glendinning's Luddism was heavily focused on reducing society to using technologies that operate on a more local scale and she was all about banning basically every aspect of modern life, right down to computer, nuclear reactors, and oddly, insulin production for diabetics.

 

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

Why make a weekly grocery shopping trip when you could go to the store every single day instead?
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The very idea of the weekly grocery trip is car propaganda!
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Don't buy in bulk to save money!
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Just get everything delivered (what happened to being walkable?):
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Use a bike trailer instead:
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Of course there's a reference to a Not Just Bikes video:
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Who gets stuck in gridlock going to the grocery store?
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"but.but having a delivery use their car is more efficient!"

"yeah bro, just use uber eats 3 times a day"

Reddit saving the planet here

 

[Chuck McGill]

Why make a weekly grocery shopping trip when you could go to the store every single day instead?
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The very idea of the weekly grocery trip is car propaganda!
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Don't buy in bulk to save money!
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Just get everything delivered (what happened to being walkable?):
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Use a bike trailer instead:
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Of course there's a reference to a Not Just Bikes video:
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Who gets stuck in gridlock going to the grocery store?
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This is the most infuriating thing about these people. They know damn well that their way will eat infinitely more time, which would be fine if they weren't trying to force their way on you too. Most people do not have the extra time to spend on this shit. We're working longer and longer hours and having a stay-at-home spouse to take care of domestic duties has been priced out to all but the rich. Its awfully convenient that all of the solutions end in a heavier workload getting dumped on me.



There are not words to describe how much I despise this particular argument. Like I'm supposed to relax on a bus that takes three times as long that's filled to the brim with human wreckage.

 

[Nuns with guns]

This is the most infuriating thing about these people. They know damn well that their way will eat infinitely more time, which would be fine if they weren't trying to force their way on you too. Most people do not have the extra time to spend on this shit. We're working longer and longer hours and having a stay-at-home spouse to take care of domestic duties has been priced out to all but the rich. Its awfully convenient that all of the solutions end in a heavier workload getting dumped on me.

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There are not words to describe how much I despise this particular argument. Like I'm supposed to relax on a bus that takes three times as long that's filled to the brim with human wreckage.

Do these people even commute? I would rather be stuck an hour in traffic than ten minutes in a cramped train full of niggers.

 

[Car Won't Crank]

why
im not familiar with suvs and the main reason i see people hate on them seems to be climate change

The soccer moms who drive SUVs are known to be notoriously bad drivers with equally bad temperaments to match when they're at fault for something. They also tend to have terrible road etiquette like hogging the left lane and getting mad for no apparent reason.

 

[RainwaterDrop]

Do these people even commute? I would rather be stuck an hour in traffic than ten minutes in a cramped train

Not even that, there are some good points in the middle of this horseshit but they're taken over by fucking idiotic nonsense and presented in the worst conceivable ways. Like deflating the cars of random people, which can be a colossal fucking headache for some random guy just minding his business because an entitled fuck decided to "protest" in the most fucking retarded way. Humanity can't and won't move away from cars in the short term or the long term, there simply isn't a viable way to do it, even walkable cities aren't usable for people with mobility issues, for example, and some things such as shopping on a bigger scale become unfeasible without transport. Just fucking try carrying a large enough load on public transport, it's painful!

This is the most infuriating thing about these people. They know damn well that their way will eat infinitely more time, which would be fine if they weren't trying to force their way on you too. Most people do not have the extra time to spend on this shit. We're working longer and longer hours and having a stay-at-home spouse to take care of domestic duties has been priced out to all but the rich. Its awfully convenient that all of the solutions end in a heavier workload getting dumped on me.

There are not words to describe how much I despise this particular argument. Like I'm supposed to relax on a bus that takes three times as long that's filled to the brim with human wreckage.

Precisely. These guys come off as really entitled and self absorbed, not every driver is an entitled asshole and sometimes public transit simply doesn't work well enough to cover all needs. Going off on some guy for simply preferring to drive is not only unhinged, it's a stellar way to convince him not to listen to you. People should focus on the middle ground, if the average guy takes some time to adopt some more eco-friendly habits such as recycling and driving less whenever possible, it's good enough. I do it myself, I recycle as much as possible and avoid driving shorter distances because it truly is wasteful to drive instead of taking a 5 minutes walk just to grab a snack or drink, but sometimes it isn't possible at all. If anything, change must come from the bigger polluters, if a guy on a major industry manages to go green, the impact is way bigger than if most average joes do so!

why
im not familiar with suvs and the main reason i see people hate on them seems to be climate change

SUVs are very intensive on fuel consumption and inefficient unless you need to drive one, a bigger household owning one is more reasonable than a single person household doing so. That being said, hating on every SUV owner is fucking retarded because you never know the story behind the man on the wheel. A guy driving an SUV might do so simply because he likes driving bigger cars and hates the other options, or he might do so because he's got four kids and a wife to drive around. You never know, and simply hating on people for making a "bad" choice is fucking idiotic!

 

[tygressofaera]

You should make an OP about him. You got dox?

No dox, but found his personal twitter where he calls himself a they/them. His name's Ward Rubrecht, at one point he was a staff writer for an alt-weekly newspaper called City Pages which is now defunct. He also thinks of himself as a slam poet, judge for yourself.

More on his personal youtube page.

He at one point had a personal website where he describes his slam poetry and story telling talent in the fart-huffingest of ways.

 

[L. Ron Hubbard's Cat]

Could we try and relegate the debating about urbanism etc to the various threads that preceded this one?

This is my point about this whole fucking thread. Closing in on 20 pages now and WHERE IS THE FUNNY? A dumb few screenshots from Reddit and it's just a bunch of people either airing their red-hot /pol/ takes or pointing out the flaws in strawman arguments. Omg, one of these guys made a video about trains and he used shitty sources! That's on a level with trying to sue someone to wax your balls or flying to Portugal to get the shit beat out of you. LET'S DOX HIM!

This is why the site is less fun. Unfunny faggots making unfunny threads about unfunny topics. I solved the mystery, @Null.

Maybe there can be a rule that arguing here gets you threadbanned? I really don't care to hear debates, I've heard too much shit already from the rest of the internet. The point is to laugh at retards on the internet.

Great idea. People don't like your thread (seems like half the people posting think these guys at least make a good point now and then, even if they're annoying) so we should make a rule to enforce a hugbox for you because you don't care to hear debates. Excellent understanding of what PG is. Definitely don't kill yourself, the world needs more thin-skinned faggots.

You're damn right my opinion has been made up, just like yours has. You don't seem to understand that we're complaining about people who have made it their literal life's work to complain, and that the only person who has actually done something (Charles Marohn) is a known grifter. We're criticising about NJB for being a dumb Canadian who thinks ALL of Europe is like the historic centre of The Netherlands. We're criticising people who think the solution to being mildly inconvenienced by crossing the streets is to rip everything up, put electric cables and rails everywhere and thinking that it's magically fixed and that everyone is going to like it.

And outside of a few Tweets, where are these people we're laughing at? Half y'all are complaining that none of them do anything in the real world because lol soycuck and the other half are wringing their hands at someone not condemning vandalism strongly enough because the end is all nigh and shit.

You want dumbass Twitter takes? How about you follow a professional football team on Twitter. Autism, autism everywhere, but not an actual cow to be seen. This is the same shit. As I said, one of the sub-groups OP identified might hold some promise, but being smug doesn't make you a cow. It makes you annoying.

I saw one.



This is MPLS Bike Wrath, or Bike Lane Bill on reddit. He's the crybully to end all crybullies and the bugman all bugmen aspire to be. He lost his license due to his severe anger issues and now rides a bike all over Minneapolis trying his hardest to find and escalate problems. My favorite incident from him was when he blared his obnoxious air horn and annoyed a pedestrian into throwing a cookie at him. He then followed the pedestrian while calling the cops to press charges of assault. Unfortunately I can no longer find this video, but I'm trying to dig it up.

This is what he looks like:

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This image is from a puff piece CBS wrote for him.

Some of his common victims:

Swanson's meats has truck deliveries, and the geometry of their dock necessitates that drivers park against traffic and cross the road in order to back in and hit the dock. He gets very upset when drivers park in the bike lane to wait for a dock to be open. He has a whole playlist about this.

Rick's cabaret is some strip club that's otherwise not noteworthy, but there MPLS Bike Wrath got beaten up and had his bike stolen.

The video that best typifies his behavior is this one where he cuts off a USPS van and flips out when the USPS van doesn't like it, he flips his lid and screeches about being "assaulted".

His behavior got so autistic that even redditors got sick of him, with r/BikeCammers no longer tolerating his videos. So now he has his own echo chamber at r/CyclistsWithCameras where there are even more videos from other people who behave the same way MPLS Wrath does.

MPLS Bike Wrath and many of these cyclist people also retweet or support anti-car, anti-freedom rhetoric on the basis of their safety.

Then by all means, make a thread about him. Make me care what some faggot on a bike thinks. And make it entertaining while you're at it, because "I don't care to hear debates".

And in case anyone missed it (which is IMPOSSIBLE since we're all such good readers here) I'm not making an argument for or against bikes or whatever. I'm saying this is a low-quality OP and that the whole topic would be better off in A&N or something where people could debate it if they wanted. I don't think it's even strong enough for a Community Watch thread, honestly. There isn't a cohesive community to watch.

 

[talk talk talk]

It's really frustrating for us who actually live in cities and want nice things that we have these fucking crust punk refugees from the Battle for Seattle fucking shit up.

Calling people "car brains" or "cagers" isn't going to persuade them of the rightness of your cause. It just makes them mad. Flattening tires isn't going to stop anything except support for better transit.

I ride the bus to work every day. It works great for me because I live and work very close to a major city bus line. Doing that lets us have a one car household and saves a lot of money. I want it to work great for a lot more people. Lunatics yelling from their bikes makes it harder to get other people on board for expanding transit or bike lanes. Who wants to be associated with those weirdos? Fucking nobody.

 

[DeadwastePrime]

Do these people even commute? I would rather be stuck an hour in traffic than ten minutes in a cramped train full of niggers.

he lives in detroit

 

[NerdShamer]

<snipped>

You do know that one of the biggest symptoms of autism is the inability to understand how other see the world, right?

This is why the site is less fun. Unfunny faggots making unfunny threads about unfunny topics. I solved the mystery, @Null.

Honestly, the people arguing amongst themselves over how to provide an offering to great and benevolent is the icing on the cake.

 

[L. Ron Hubbard's Cat]

You do know that one of the biggest symptoms of autism is the inability to understand how other see the world, right?


Honestly, the people arguing amongst themselves over how to provide an offering to great and benevolent is the icing on the cake.

It's all extremely exasperating, I'll give you that. I've said what I wanted to say. I'll check in in a few weeks to see if anything interesting came of all this or if it's just more people getting upset about bugmen or whatever. I'll definitely be holding my breath, let me tell you.

 

[Chuck McGill]

It's all extremely exasperating, I'll give you that. I've said what I wanted to say. I'll check in in a few weeks to see if anything interesting came of all this or if it's just more people getting upset about bugmen or whatever. I'll definitely be holding my breath, let me tell you.

Bye bye, don't let the door hit you on the ass. Maybe we could get some momentum going if we didn't constantly have to deal with tards like you running in here to yell "NOT A LOLCOW GAIS" and the morons crashing the thread with "actually these guys sound based huehuehuehuehue"

Oh and if you're gonna throw null's words in our face, you know what else our Glorious Feeder hates? Backseat modding. If you're gonna try to sweep it up the least you can do is actually have a broom first.

 

[Cyberpunk Panatela]

possibly mixed with some 2000's Permaculture (literal prepping for leftist hipsters)

That's interesting, especially if you look at the history of Permaculture. It started out in the 1970s or early 1980s as a more scientific way to do agriculture, especially with respect to water conservation and minimising the need for additional fertilizer.

I have one of the original founders' books on the subject - it has a very "no bullshit" attitude to the subject (metaphorically speaking, of course)

What I suspect happened is the field got shat up by fans of Biodynamic Agriculture (somewhere in the long thread on that forum I linked to in the last post this was mentioned).

Biodynamics is nonsense. A German loser called Rudolf Steiner pulled it out of his arse in the 1920s and started touting it along with his other idiotic ideas as the "Aryan way to farm".

To give an idea of how dumb this stuff is: You use astrology to determine which fields to sow. Somewhere on your land you should bury a hollowed out cow's horn stuffed with a variety of things, none of which make any sense. They have this rule: Whatever comes from the farm stays on the farm! Obviously that means that you have to use your own shit to fertilize the field and can only do subsistence farming.

This "method" was proven to be a surefire way to completely fuck up your farmland. I can, however see how it would appeal to New Age hipsters who are also eco-doomers.

It would be a great pity if Permaculture has been completely fisted by trash like this. Unfortunately the New Age crowd is attracted to anything to do with gardening or subsistence farming. They're also usually vacuum-brains with an inability to think.


PS: Steiner produced some other top kek, like a pamphlet he wrote for the Nazis titled THE JEWS AND THE OCCULT SIGNIFICANCE OF BLOOD.

 

[DumbDude42]

and some things such as shopping on a bigger scale become unfeasible without transport. Just fucking try carrying a large enough load on public transport, it's painful!

its extra painful when you need to buy more than just groceries

like, imagine you need a new washing machine. you can fit that in the trunk of your car, but carrying it with you on the fucking bus is simply not feasible.

 

[DeadwastePrime]

like, imagine you need a new washing machine. you can fit that in the trunk of your car, but carrying it with you on the fucking bus is simply not feasible.

you dont get them delivered to your house?

 

[DumbDude42]

you dont get them delivered to your house?

delivered by someone who transports them in - wait for it - a truck or car?

 

[DeadwastePrime]

delivered by someone who transports them in - wait for it - a truck or car?

something tells me these people would allow exceptions to that car free city thing like emergency or utility vehicles

 

[Caesare]

It's all extremely exasperating, I'll give you that. I've said what I wanted to say. I'll check in in a few weeks to see if anything interesting came of all this or if it's just more people getting upset about bugmen or whatever. I'll definitely be holding my breath, let me tell you.

Don't read it then, it's not for you. Quit getting mad at the internet and crying, tagging null to your posts because a thread exists about people you think are cool. Just don't click on it, you brainiac.

Things are less fun because of busy body creeps like yourself can't accept that threads exist about things you might like.

"Ohhh but where's the funny?"

You're saying this nonsense when there are threads about zoosadists. Not every thread has to be a kneeslapping good time. The whole point of the site is to document weirdos, and have some laughs when it's appropriate.

You're getting mad and trying to turn the thread into shit with your horrendous takes because you like these faggots and it offends you that people are documenting their faggotry and making fun of them.

You could have posted one time in this thread, saying something like, "I agree with these guys and I like a lot of what they say, and here's why..." and just left it at that. You'd have gotten your opinion across and said something worthwhile, actually contributing to the thread.

Instead, you post garbage, adding zero to the thread or the discussion. All because you got mad at a thread existing. Congratulations. You are a clown.

 

[TayandYou]

If this doesn't make it to Community Watch

It's been 10 pages since I last checked the thread and there's still more arguing from both sides than milk. Like I said earlier, this thread should have been in mass debates from the start, threads that cause too much infighting rarely ever make it to community watch. Infighting isn't just posters who disagree with the topic of the thread flinging shit, it's also about people who are mad at those posters coming to the thread and flinging shit back at them. Getting MATI at people who are MATI about the thread is only derailing the thread further.

In my opinion, a thread about r/fuckcars specifically would have a much better chance of making it to community watch, as everyone can agree that vandalizing random cars is crossing the line no matter your stance on cars. However, since the thread is about a concept such as urbanism/new urbanism, it will inevitably attract arguments from people who are sympathetic to the idea, and there's no way to avoid it. A thread about a concept or idea is doomed to be a debate thread. You can't create a thread on the idea that cars are bad (urbanism/new urbanism is in the thread title) and expect people to not argue if cars are bad in the thread, no matter how many disclaimers you put in the OP.

You brought up the TDS/TES threads, there's a reason that they are in mass debates instead of community watch, they create too much infighting.

@Markass the Worst If you really want to make it to community watch, my suggestion is to make a thread solely about r/fuckcars since that's where most of the hyperbolic takes and destruction of property advocates seem to come from. Make sure it's focused on the antics of the community in question, instead of bringing up any debatable concept or idea like urbanism/cars bad/environment shit. Everyone is in agreement that reddit is cancer. It's like how r/VolunteersForUkraine is in community watch because everyone agrees that those people are idiots, but the Russia/Ukraine cringe threads are in mass debates.