Not Just Bikes / r/fuckcars / Urbanists / New Urbanism / Car-Free / Anti-Car - People and grifters who hate personal transport, freedom, cars, roads, suburbs, and are obsessed with city planning and urban design

[DumbDude42]

something tells me these people would allow exceptions to that car free city thing like emergency or utility vehicles

that point changes the argument from
"we dont need cars!" to "ok we do need cars, but YOU shouldn't be allowed to have one!"
which is more honest, but also more obvious in its hostility and maliciousness towards common people

 

[themasterlurker]

something tells me these people would allow exceptions to that car free city thing like emergency or utility vehicles

You would think so but...

 

[Lone Dogma]

As someone who had to drive in London for a decade, my message to those who think European cities are designed for cars is that they very much fucking aren't.

This. The Romans basically designed the European road system and it hasn't really changed in all those centuries. Hell, even standard gauge track, a Victorian invention, was so chosen because that's how far apart the wheels were on Roman carts.

These urbanist cunts need to get out of la la land and start living in the real world

Nice to see that I can add "slept through math class" towards describing reddit.

You can add English class to that as well, apparently.

One thing to note is that the free public transport that Luxembourg introduced, is costing them €41 million (I assume per year) in lost revenue for an estimated benefit of only €100 per year per household.

Calling people "car brains" or "cagers" isn't going to persuade them of the rightness of your cause. It just makes them mad. Flattening tires isn't going to stop anything except support for better transit.

Exactly. They're a bunch of smug pricks who think they're better and morally superior than everyone else. I think public transport should be improved but I also want to throw these cunts into a woodchipper.

something tells me these people would allow exceptions to that car free city thing like emergency or utility vehicles

Of course they would. How else would they get their beyond meat burger on uber eats or their funko pops delivered from amazon?

You would think so but...

Where do you put all the water, equipment and firefighters that you need to put out a fire and where are the police going to put the criminals they arrest?

 

[Watcher]

It's unsurprising to me that these people are big fans of Philosophy Tube. Their videos feel very similar where they discuss topics as if they're fact and not extremely divisive and contested constantly.

Like a good example is they tout induced demand constantly not realizing it also applies to public transportation. Like if you force people to rely on public transportation, that will also cause its own induced demand issue. You can see this in cities like Tokyo where public transportation is required for most people to get around. The wait times to get on the subway are absurd and whenever you get on them they're so crowded nobody can sit down. These people often admit to this but they see the solution as just being ban cars because then there'd only be public transportation. Which is ridiculous.

It reminds me of how people universally seem to view roundabouts as the one size fits all solution to all traffic problems when they also cause problems in specific circumstances where it would make more sense to just have a basic intersection. People especially nowadays really want easy solutions that aren't actually easy to implement. The idea of completely redoing infrastructure in the Netherlands is easy when there's only like 16 million people and it's roughly the size of Maine. It's almost impossible to do something like that over a space the size of the USA.

 

[NerdShamer]

Brit lawmakers wants to tax cyclists and hold them liable for speeding. Locals are mocking it, but I haven't looked into what the bugmen thinks about it

 

[talk talk talk]

We have two discussions going on at the same time in this thread.

One of them is a classic Kiwi Farms "point and laugh at the retard" discussion of bike cows well-suited for maybe a community watch thread if not individual lolcow threads. The other is weird American politics discussion about land use planning maybe suited for Deep Thoughts or some other place in the Autistic Thunderdome.

 

[DumbDude42]

Where do you put all the water, equipment and firefighters that you need to put out a fire and where are the police going to put the criminals they arrest?

arrest? that's bigoted and racist. they just kindly tell people to please stop being mean.

 

[quaawaa]

The idea of completely redoing infrastructure in the Netherlands is easy when there's only like 1 million people and it's roughly the size of Maine. It's almost impossible to do something like that over something like the USA.

They also cherry-pick areas in Europe. Every single one of these pictures is from the Netherlands.

Amsterdam:​

Looks like your typical American office park

Looks like an American garden apartment

These are allotments and look like suburban sprawl. Allotments are second houses with land that are illegal to live in and are used for gardening, rented by apartment dwellers who realize that having land is useful. Because the are separate from the main dwelling, this actually uses more land than a suburban house, and if a sufficient number of apartment dwellers decided to garden, they'd have to have an enormous amount of sprawl.

Almere (suburb of Amsterdam):​

A general map. There are some convivence stores closer than two miles, but the main shopping area is two miles away. This is similar to American suburb design:

(Phoenix, a city that is nearly 100% sprawl)
Back to Almere:
Some duplexes with a car in front of every door:

A large surface parking lot:

If you told me this picture was taken in the US, I would believe you.
A richer neighborhood with detached houses:

A cul-de-sac filled with detached houses:

A 10 lane highway:


The point of all these pictures isn't to say that the Dutch live the same way that Americans do, but rather that they don't live exclusively in apartments and ride bikes; they have houses and cars there as well. Imagine a Dutch version of NotJustBikes who grew up in that cul-de-sac I showed above, moved to Manhattan, and started a YouTube channel complaining about how poor the Netherlands' walkability and transit are. That is essentially what NJB does when he describes Canadian/American and Dutch urban design.

As a further example of how cherry-picking can completely distort what a country looks like, this is a picture of London, Ontario; NJB's hometown and a city he hates for being car-dependent:

Looks like a walkable mixed-use neighborhood to me!
Now, London is a very suburban town and is car dependent, but NJB didn't have to leave Canada for the lifestyle he wanted. He could have moved to Toronto, Montreal, or Vancouver if the walkable area of London is too small for him.

 

[Slap47]

I was unaware that these guys were so schizophrenic in their hatred of cars. Its a shame that the movement to end North American urban sprawl is being lead by people who think the best solution is to harass working class people by deflating their tires, ban cars in cities that do not have the proper infrastructure, and force everybody into cramped commieblocks.

 

[NerdShamer]

Its a shame that the movement to end North American urban sprawl is being lead by people who think the best solution is to harass working class people by deflating their tires, ban cars in cities that do not have the proper infrastructure, and force everybody into cramped commieblocks.

It's an relatively recent trend that's exacerbated by the internet and the political climate. Even if it falls apart, we've already seen the "that wasn't real infrastructure!" excuse somewhere in this thread.

Plus, it doesn't help that there's idiots on both sides of the aisle (although most of them are bugmen.)

 

[themasterlurker]

Do these people even commute? I would rather be stuck an hour in traffic than ten minutes in a cramped train full of niggers.

No, they often have high-paying stay at home jobs or earn $150k/year from doing nothing in large cities where they live a block away, and become deluded into thinking that their lifestyle works for everyone

 

[Watcher]

I was unaware that these guys were so schizophrenic in their hatred of cars. Its a shame that the movement to end North American urban sprawl is being lead by people who think the best solution is to harass working class people by deflating their tires, ban cars in cities that do not have the proper infrastructure, and force everybody into cramped commieblocks.

These people unironically love commieblocks and wish they were still a thing

Note that none of these overprivileged men who have lots of money would actually live in these. He also ignores extremely bad issues with these buildings that people have to suffer with. The comments section is actually full of Eastern Europeans complaining about the living standards in these buildings.



These people love the idea behind communism but just gloss over the problems with actually implementing these ideas that were advertised. The Venn diagram of unironic communists and urbanism advocates is a mile wide.

 

[John Sneed]

The car hate from these people is very annoying, but I agree with the underlying message that people should have options when choosing their mode of transport. Living in a 3 lane divided highway hellscape is just as bad as being crammed into a tube for everything. Infrastructure should as diverse as possible to give people the most options. It doesn't have to be one way or the other.

 

[quaawaa]

These people unironically love commieblocks and wish they were still a thing

Note that none of these overprivileged men who have lots of money would actually live in these. He also ignores extremely bad issues with these buildings that people have to suffer with. The comments section is actually full of Eastern Europeans complaining about the living standards in these buildings.
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These people love the idea behind communism but just gloss over the problems with actually implementing these ideas that were advertised. The Venn diagram of unironic communists and urbanism advocates is a mile wide.

Reposting from reddit General:

r/UrbanHell is the worst. Some Americans got bored of their large, comfortable houses and decided to embrace ugly, soulless vertical slums designed to squeeze in as much people as possible,



As a Pole living in a commieblock it makes my blood boil, I could talk whole night about how bad it's to live in one. Redditors seem woefully unaware of how shit the quality of life is in these blocks. This commieblock praising is a mental equivalent of white people travelling to Africa and fawning over how happy the locals are without all the material wealth.



Urban sprawl and suburbia are bad, sure, but why are redditors looking to USSR for the solution instead of Scandinavia I have no idea.

Soulless people enjoy soulless architecture I guess. Those redditors have no sense of harmony and no connection to nature.

 

[quaawaa]

Reposting /r/fuckcars posts from reddit General:

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/r/fuckcars: "No one needs a truck because you can carry 2x4s in a small hatchback if you fold down the rear seats and lay them diagonally so they intrude upon the front passenger area."




Bonus, someone argues that even a two-door hatchback is too much vehicle for that load, a bike works just as well with a trailer!

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I don’t believe in the bullshit of man made climate change (formerly Global Warming, formerly New Ice Age), but even if I did, these smug assholes in the OP make me want to see the Earth consumed by flames right now.

 

[Chuck McGill]

Reposting /r/fuckcars posts from reddit General:

I'm almost inclined to agree with these people, as I get their argument that not every mom needs an SUV to buy groceries, but their whole "you do not need this comrade" vibe always weirds me out. Also their suggestion of "just get it delivered bro!" seems to play right into the everything-as-a-service idea. I'm sure these companies won't jack up the price of delivery once your car is off the road and you're comfortably situated in your open air pri-I mean walkable community.

And I'd pay good money to watch a soyboy pedaling with a load of lumber mounted on his bike. That actually is a hazard and I'd lay money if a driver did anything half as reckless they'd be screeching about carbrains.

I don’t believe in the bullshit of man made climate change (formerly Global Warming, formerly New Ice Age), but even if I did, these smug assholes in the OP make me want to see the Earth consumed by flames right now.

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

Overplayed joke, but...
Kill all bikes, race car now!
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The driver is way too angry over nothing and is having a nigga moment, but the cyclist is so unlikable he needs to be run over anyways.

 

[Dread First]

It’s a shame that Not Just Bikes is a lolcow because his Strong Towns video series was genuinely informative. Oh well, such is life.

 

[UmQasaan]

It’s a shame that Not Just Bikes is a lolcow because his Strong Towns video series was genuinely informative. Oh well, such is life.

If a lolcow meant someone who has an opinion that a certain group of people disagree with then this site would be flooded with unfunny crap. He really isn't doing wacky shit at all, at best you can call him a little smug. The OPs making 3 threads of the same topic across different forums don't really change that. Lets not try to degrade the word lolcow like so many other words that have lost their meaning in the last decade.