Not Just Bikes / r/fuckcars / Urbanists / New Urbanism / Car-Free / Anti-Car - People and grifters who hate personal transport, freedom, cars, roads, suburbs, and are obsessed with city planning and urban design

[AUTOEXEC2.BAT]

As soon as I read about the pricks who vandalize cars, I was certain that there were arseholes somewhere who were fucking around with bicycles too, whether out of envy, revenge or some stupid 'ideological' reason. Do they have a Twitter feed or somewhere else where they boast about their 'great deeds'?

They don't have a Twitter or anything. Here's a news article (12ft in case of paywall) but its in Dutch. It is petty, but I don't believe these bicycles are a good thing. The ideological reason behind it is that The Netherlands has the largest wealth inequality in the world, despite doing very well at combatting income inequality (source). This pisses off a lot of people, because those who work hard and earn a lot of money, get to bring it to the tax man, while the wealthy class gets to ride on these fancy electric bikes. This is because The Netherlands currently estimates what you will earn in capital gains, instead of using the actual return of investment, more about that here (in Dutch). So we have a situation where wealthy Randstad liberals are able to take out benefits, allowances and get tax breaks from the government because on paper their income is very low, even though they're making bank in capital gains. Meanwhile, the poor get taxed very high, only for their tax money to go to the wealthy. That's why they're pissed off, and also because these bikes are unnecessary in a country that's almost entirely flat.

Why the hell are these incentives offered? If it's to attract rich people who might start businesses which will employ people, they're not very good at doing that. What they are good at is attracting trust fund brats who don't and will never work, and grifters like our Canadian Londoner.

Because we've had a neoliberal government for the past 20 years and failed purple coalitions. They wanted this. We've transitioned to a service economy where we need highly educated expats so to attract them we give them these tax breaks while also driving out the original population of the cities. As a result, you get people like Jason instead of Jan living in Amsterdam, because Jan cannot afford to live there anymore while Jason can thanks to the incentives.

Is the problem in the Netherlands something like this or completely different?

One thing is certain: if there's an incentive for not doing something, it is extremely hard to get rid of, because lobby groups to keep it in place pop into existence almost immediately and grow like cancers.

You're practically on point, but also, rent income is not taxed correctly for the above reasons.

 

[Angelic 2 the Core]

That video is unintentional comedy. The truth is that the cities that he loves so much are crime-ridden hell holes.

Many spoiled pieces of shit go on a vacation to a rich tourist section of the city where people pretend to be nice to them because they have lots of money that they want them to spend. The real day to day life in these cities is nothing like this. If anything, people are more stressed out in cities, more antisocial and rude, are overpriced, and filled with crime and drugs. There's a reason why actual working people moved out of these areas. I love how they say that people in the suburbs are antisocial when in big cities someone only tries to interact with you when they are trying to sell you something, rob you, or beg you for something. Their little faggy hipster coffee shop in a small gentrified section of the city that they used once when they went on vacation is not how it works.

Not to mention public transport in major cities is dirty, dangerous, and filled with the worst scum imaginable where you are pretty much guaranteed to get robbed or assaulted (or at the very least, harassed) by junkies and hoodrats who exist only to make things worse for everyone else. Only a privileged fucking idiot who never had to use that every single day would say that it's better than using your own vehicle.

However, many suburbs and small towns in the U.S. are becoming increasingly ghetto as well due to forced Section 8 housing and other great progressive ideas. I guess the progressives can intentionally ruin suburbs next and then tell us about what their brilliant new idea is to fix them.

 

[DumbDude42]

Not to mention public transport in major cities is dirty, dangerous, and filled with the worst scum imaginable where you are pretty much guaranteed to get robbed or assaulted (or at the very least, harassed) by junkies and hoodrats who exist only to make things worse for everyone else. Only a privileged fucking idiot who never had to use that every single day would say that it's better than using your own vehicle.

it's like people who go on holiday to egypt once, spend 2 weeks in a beach resort and one day on an organized tourist trip to a pyramid, and after they come back home they say "these people live exactly like us and everybody is so nice and respectful over there, i don't understand why those dumb nazis don't want a million immigrants from there?!"

 

[MichaelHolly]

it's like people who go on holiday to egypt once, spend 2 weeks in a beach resort and one day on an organized tourist trip to a pyramid, and after they come back home they say "these people live exactly like us and everybody is so nice and respectful over there, i don't understand why those dumb nazis don't want a million immigrants from there?!"

"Their culture is so much better there! This would make the US so much better!" While it's the shittiest culture known to man filled with shitheads who will not give up shit culture.

 

[El Gato Grande]

What answer do these “anti-car” communities have to the reality that most people who use cars need them in order to function in daily life?

If everyone lived in cities with high population density their propositions are a lot more feasible (but still controlling, limiting and petty) because a few competently designed public transport systems could put you in walking distance of everything you need. This isn’t remotely true for everyone.

An enormous portion of the American population lives in suburbs. Suburbs mean more than owning a lawn and cul-de-sacs—not only will you have to commute to your job, but your sources of groceries, municipal services, religious worship, healthcare and anything else you need outside your home/apartment are often going to be at least several miles away, sometimes a lot more. Unlike progressive, cultured cities, it isn’t practical for suburbs to build subways and organize bus routes to get people to and from Olive Garden and Giant Eagle. Do they really expect people living outside progressive, diverse cities to be stripped of their ability to commute to their jobs, pick up cough medicine from Drug Mart and do anything in favor of a solution which is utterly financially and geographically difficult for them?

>just don’t have suburbs! Suburbs bad!
Regardless of ideals people already live in then, and freely choose to do so. What’s their solution, to forcibly relocate people to cities commie style?

>Netherlands/China/Japan/countrythatisn’ttheusa has lower rates of car ownership and better public transportation! They’re doing just fine! They’re better than you—no I mean us!”

Countries that dump money into public transportation do it for a reason. China, Japan and certain smug European countries have chains of urban areas with an enormous portion of the country’s population which make train lines far more useful than they would be in most of the US, where big cities are a lot further apart and more of their people live around cities rather than in them. Some of the poorer countries invest in public transportation not because it’s ideal per se, but because without if people would be too poor to commute to work.

What about people living in the countryside where public infrastructure spending has to be spread even thinner?

Their entire viewpoint is to sacrifice basic necessities of people other than them to justify their own moral validation.

>We don’t mean banning cars! The white trash-uh I mean the rednecks can still have their tractors and their racist pickup trucks, we just want to make OUR cities better places to live by reducing automobile use in then!

Then take your grievances to your local city government and stop bothering everyone else.

 

[PipTheAlchemist]

What’s their solution, to forcibly relocate people to cities commie style?

Like these bugmen are above doing that

 

[GreenJacket]

The problem with these guys is not that they want urban centers to be laid out in a convenient manner, but that they aren't willing to look at the nigger problem American cities have to deal with.

 

[PipTheAlchemist]

The problem with these guys is not that they want urban centers to be laid out in a convenient manner, but that they aren't willing to look at the nigger problem American cities have to deal with.

That's because they are the nigger problem

 

[737 MAX Stan Account]

How much of this is just soys seething over a girl ditching them for a gigachad raptor owner?

 

[Rudolf's Friend]

The problem with these guys is not that they want urban centers to be laid out in a convenient manner, but that they aren't willing to look at the nigger problem American cities have to deal with.

That’s how all leftists are.

 

[Lobster Cult High Priest]

This thread reminded me of a totally sweet bugman cost cutting measure I saw on the CBC

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I'm almost positive that trike is a Sunseeker Delta, the electric version retails for $2.8k USD, if she bought the regular one and then got a motor and batteries it would still be about the same price.

So in order to save money/the environment she dropped enough money to pay for at least a half year of car ownership, contributed to the rare earth metal mining trade and still kept her car.

I used to know a old man about a decade ago that lived nearby at in the country who used to bike for hours each day into town (about a 15 min drive) to socialize at the Tim Hortons / McDonalds with the other old folks.

We called him Trike Bike Man

 

[Cyberpunk Panatela]

They don't have a Twitter or anything. Here's a news article (12ft in case of paywall) but its in Dutch. It is petty, but I don't believe these bicycles are a good thing. The ideological reason behind it is that The Netherlands has the largest wealth inequality in the world, despite doing very well at combatting income inequality (source). This pisses off a lot of people, because those who work hard and earn a lot of money, get to bring it to the tax man, while the wealthy class gets to ride on these fancy electric bikes.

Thanks. That explains a lot.

Even the car vandals have a better name than "Community of the Red Bicycle" (Your 12ft link crapped out for some reason, FYI).

I agree with you about the expensive custom bicycles solving nothing and even being a nuisance, but what those lamers don't understand is that even if you break some rich guy's fancy bike he'll just buy another one and collect insurance.

Completely OT, but why is the place called the Randstad? I translate "Rand" as either 'edge' or 'ridge(of a mountain)'. It's obviously not the latter, because the Netherlands are flat, but the other doesn't make much sense either.

 

[Cool Dog]

I live in a country which is almost the same size and length of all of western Europe combined but with less population than Spain, half of it in just one city. Here you can drive for 900 miles of literally nothing but fields of soy and cows. Our public transport is shit, our long haul transport (planes, trains, buses) is shit, our cars are overpriced as fuck due to over 50% of the total price being taxes, then taxes for owning the vehicle, taxes on roads, taxes on fuel, taxes on taxes

And yet despite all that shit the average guy here still owns a car because on a country this big and this empty you arent going anywhere without one, which is why these retards are fucking delusional if they think taxing the hell out of cars will make people ride bikes

Nocar niggers can seethe and die of faggotpox, and if any of these soycucks so much as touches my car I'm going full narco video mode

Overplayed joke, but...
Kill all bikes, race car now!
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Holy shit he actually used soyspeak like soggyknees IRL, too bad that brotha didnt go full ape on his skinny ass

 

[Lobster Cult High Priest]

Completely OT, but why is the place called the Randstad? I translate "Rand" as either 'edge' or 'ridge(of a mountain)'. It's obviously not the latter, because the Netherlands are flat, but the other doesn't make much sense either.

No one tell Randbot about the Randstad

 

[Nicest Person on a Honda]

As usual, the youtube grifters take a halfway decent idea and ruin it. Every single fucking time that someone has a common good like "We should improve public transportation so that it is a legitimate option for people who want it" the retards on the internet try to turn it into the worst idea possible.

You can't ban cars for a myriad of reasons, and even if you could, people love to drive, but American public transit is a bad fucking joke in the US and we should try to fix it. If nigs bother you on public transit, wait until your car gets hit by Jamal with no insurance, or until you accidentally rear end Jose and his family sues you for "back pain." Public transit should be an option, and people like NJB are actually right about that.

That being said, they sperg out at every possible opportunity. They never ask WHY public transit is so bad in the US without pointing to comfortable answers like "muh redlining" or "muh auto industry lobbying" when the real reason is crime and other uncomfortable factors. NYC, a liberal haven with a well functioning transit system, a system so good that it is considered to be the best in America, has a problem where it can't get people to pay the fucking $2.75 to get on the high quality train. Even after they pay, there is a crime problem, people get pushed on tracks, the smell of weed is constant. I was visiting NYC and the refusal of the city to get rid of the problem clients has lead to the subway being anarchy at some stations. Public transit needs to be maintained and kept crime free.

 

[YHWH's Strongest Soldier]

Completely OT, but why is the place called the Randstad? I translate "Rand" as either 'edge' or 'ridge(of a mountain)'. It's obviously not the latter, because the Netherlands are flat, but the other doesn't make much sense either.

Because the major cities of the Randstad (Amsterdam, Den Haag, Rotterdam and Utrecht) are all on the edge of a less-inhabited peatland area called the Green Heart. This peatland was historically annoying to build on and as such it was primarily used for animal husbandry and peat excavation. Currently, it is still only lightly inhabited relative to the dense urban areas of Amsterdam or Rotterdam/Den Haag. Since the big cities are on the edge of this rural area, they're called the Randstad.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

American public transit is a bad fucking joke in the US and we should try to fix it.

I used to have to ride the bus to go someplace that involved 2 bus routes.

It took about 90 minutes to get where a car could get in less than 30 min.

 

[Cyberpunk Panatela]

There is a YouTube channel operated by a Russian called Dahir Kurmanbyevich Semyenov and his Turkish buddies called Dahir Insaat / Dahir Semyenov (second channel) which is probably representative of the lunacy at the far extreme of the kind of thinking portrayed in this thread.

These guys have been mentioned some years ago in Obscure Laughingstocks for their lethal "medical innovations" and insanely stupid weapons systems, but their main focus is urban development.

The following video is from the Semyenov channel. It is part of a sales pitch initially intended for the Russian government.

These 'turnkey cities' are truly the technology of the future. It's a pity I can't work out how to get people and goods in or out(except perhaps by helicopter).

Both channels are full of such nonsense.

 

[Gottahavemysips]

What I can't stand about these YouTubers isn't really what they are talking about, they actually make some decent points that I know all too well from actually having to live in a downtown area. The problem is they are smug to the point it may be better for their case if they didn't say anything at all. They actually share a lot in common with the kinds of people who get taken for a ride with unproven cryptocurrencies. The second you question anything at all, you are labeled a FUDder and nothing you say is valid.
In this thread, somebody posted something about having to deal with crime in walkable cities, and the retards on reddit responded with "oh, you must just be a bigot, you can't handle the diversity", but it's a totally valid concern. When I moved for the job I'm working now, I opted to live downtown because I felt buying a monthly parking pass would be a waste of money for hybrid work. I really enjoyed walking to work for a whole month and a half. I was getting exercise, and it helped me wake up more in the mornings. That all changed when I met the homeless crackhead who wouldn't give up. It only takes one time with shit like this to fuck up your sense of safety.
It's one thing to be able to make good points, but it doesn't matter if you brush off any legitimate criticisms without even being willing to address them. I lived in a suburb in Yonkers for a few years, and while it was really nice to have an MTA train station within a five minute walk, it made the upper middle class neighborhood into a very juicy target for criminal elements in White Plains and from Manhattan. Cars would be broken into if they had anything of value in them, and break ins were far more common than in a more isolated neighborhood. Channels like Not Just Bikes can't see the forest for the trees when they imply that what works in Holland should work in every American city. Urbanists have a major problem here, they see something that works for them and they say it MUST work for everyone. It seems there's a decent amount of people in this thread arguing about whether they are lolcows because they like the content, but I'd say they've earned this thread through their attitudes, not the content itself.

 

[FlipTopBox]

There is a YouTube channel operated by a Russian called Dahir Kurmanbyevich Semyenov and his Turkish buddies called Dahir Insaat / Dahir Semyenov (second channel) which is probably representative of the lunacy at the far extreme of the kind of thinking portrayed in this thread.

These guys have been mentioned some years ago in Obscure Laughingstocks for their lethal "medical innovations" and insanely stupid weapons systems, but their main focus is urban development.

The following video is from the Semyenov channel. It is part of a sales pitch initially intended for the Russian government.

These 'turnkey cities' are truly the technology of the future. It's a pity I can't work out how to get people and goods in or out(except perhaps by helicopter).

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Both channels are full of such nonsense.

Funny that you mention that since I remember a couple of months ago on twitter people were posting clips of Dahir Insaat's Drive Market video as a way to complain about car-centric infrastructure. I can't find the tweet again unfortunately otherwise I'd post it here.