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It's not a zero sum game like that. and laying it out like that sort of binary choice is just dumb.
She also told them that she was going to do it anyway if they invited her weeks ago, she was more direct about it that Orange woman bad that dance about doing it, Ina that still doesn't know yet , and Sololivers like Watson and Gura the last one barely recognizing their existence

Funny enough in all the package council was more welcoming of them than myth
 
¿Which one is better, lots of superchats from tourists, or a respectable amount of users who become members? And just as an FYI, i am not considering merch and sponsors, because while they're the ones that produce the most amount of money, chances are the members are the most interested in these.
A dedicated customer base is always the best option for any business. A few good weeks while people are curious is a nice surge, but unlike a resturant, people can watch you for free. A dedicated fan base that gives you 5 bucks a month, as well the people who regularly SC is the only long term strategy. Not to mention the whales that latch on. Thats why sub counts and revenue are not connected. Gura may be the most subscribed, but people like Calli and Kiara get more money than her.

Nothing against Gura, just KFP and Deadbeats are more hardcore fans, while Gura gets more casual watchers. Pippa is another example of this. She's only become a 4 view with 50K subs, but the SCs roll in nonstop all stream, and it seems like half the chat or more are members, which is amazing, as she doesn't do members only content, yet her fans are loyal.
 
this entire premise relies on the idea that the only people supporting her are unicorns that might leave and the only people that might support her going forward are tourists.

She has long time fans and paypigs that are fine with this development. It's like how for Calli dudes like Prinniesrock aren't going to leave over some unicorn nonsense. Same with members, just because there's a couple members pissy doesn't mean they represent anything more than a noisy minority.

It's not a zero sum game like that. and laying it out like that sort of binary choice is just dumb.
It's also pants on head stupid to assume that the majority of her paypigs and gachis are just as insane as the unicorn schizos who got ass mad because a guy whose supposed to be her coworker interacted with her on stream and made her laugh. Actual idol otaku aren't that deranged usually.

Also not sure if this was posted here before


Looks like suspicions we're correct and Vshojo JP might have to comply to JP Permissions and Copyright autism in the future.
 
Now with extra Kwanza (A holiday invented in the 60's or 70's that has no religious grounding and just celebrates generic African pride)
Don’t forget to mention it’s founder!
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And unicorns are a tiny minority, they could all leave and streamers would be fine. Tourists have the potential to become long-term viewers, but all a unicorn will ever be is toxic.
 
You weren't kidding lmao

I hope she does a week of back to back male collabs, fuck these retards. Her birthday merch, and Botan's 1 mil, are supposedly shipping soon too; as usual IRyS is last in line.
I actually expected her to at least address the infighting among kronies, like she did after the backseating on her Megaman streams, but nothing has been said so far. Maybe she took a page out of Gura's book. We'll see if she also ignores the superchats.

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Thats why sub counts and revenue are not connected. Gura may be the most subscribed, but people like Calli and Kiara get more money than her.
Not necessarily true. While it's impossible to know for sure, anytime /vt/ does a deep dive on membership metrics Gura always seems to have the most members.
 
I do agree on one point these absolute fuckheads do (regrettably). And that is the fact that most people who want to see more Tempus/penis haver collabs are mostly tourists. The collab was fine, and it was highly entertaining, but moving forward, all these people shitting on the unicorns will be worse than the unicorns themselves, simply, because they're not going to watch Kronii moving forward, nor will they become members.
I agree with this. It's exhausting to see more people shitting themselves about unicorns then there actual unicorns. How many times does deriding unicorns need to be posted here? We already know they're delusional.
 
I do agree on one point these absolute fuckheads do (regrettably). And that is the fact that most people who want to see more Tempus/penis haver collabs are mostly tourists. The collab was fine, and it was highly entertaining, but moving forward, all these people shitting on the unicorns will be worse than the unicorns themselves, simply, because they're not going to watch Kronii moving forward, nor will they become members.

They're mostly doing it for the prospect of owning the unicorns and getting some updoots. Considering this, i do have a question for this thread in general.

¿Which one is better, lots of superchats from tourists, or a respectable amount of users who become members? And just as an FYI, i am not considering merch and sponsors, because while they're the ones that produce the most amount of money, chances are the members are the most interested in these.
yeah,its basically the same problem with ollie,those collabfags/unityfags praise her like ollie great because she brings collab etc,but they don't even watch her outside of that,thats why what vesper said before is true,if you want to build solid fanbase and real growth focus on solo stream/content first while collab for the person you actually want to.
 
A dedicated customer base is always the best option for any business. A few good weeks while people are curious is a nice surge, but unlike a resturant, people can watch you for free. A dedicated fan base that gives you 5 bucks a month, as well the people who regularly SC is the only long term strategy. Not to mention the whales that latch on. Thats why sub counts and revenue are not connected. Gura may be the most subscribed, but people like Calli and Kiara get more money than her.

Nothing against Gura, just KFP and Deadbeats are more hardcore fans, while Gura gets more casual watchers. Pippa is another example of this. She's only become a 4 view with 50K subs, but the SCs roll in nonstop all stream, and it seems like half the chat or more are members, which is amazing, as she doesn't do members only content, yet her fans are loyal.
I'm not so sure about Gura making less money than Kiara and Calli. People have done estimates on each HoloEN's membership numbers paying $5 a month and iirc Gura had way more estimated memberships than the two usual EN superchat leaders Orange and pink woman, 10-15x was the number I remember.

I also think that unicorns are easily abandoned, Kiara seems to be the most stuck with them for now but she has already talked about planning her life after HL (real estate cat lady stuff) and Calli is obviously going to if not already halfway pivoting to her music career. I wouldn't try to control your oshi too much with concern trolling and I am already waiting for the inevitable trickle of HL EN graduations. Sana is already down, more to come.

Unicorns, stop embarrassing me. you're killing my misogynistic arguments against fujos. Stop being so damn emotional and sensitive like the cootie-havers gender.
 
What is wrong with the Kronies? she wasn't even streaming her POV.
Autism. It's funny that Ame and Kronii are subject to such people when none of their content is really of the parasocial sort.
I do agree on one point these absolute fuckheads do (regrettably). And that is the fact that most people who want to see more Tempus/penis haver collabs are mostly tourists. The collab was fine, and it was highly entertaining, but moving forward, all these people shitting on the unicorns will be worse than the unicorns themselves, simply, because they're not going to watch Kronii moving forward, nor will they become members.

They're mostly doing it for the prospect of owning the unicorns and getting some updoots. Considering this, i do have a question for this thread in general.

¿Which one is better, lots of superchats from tourists, or a respectable amount of users who become members? And just as an FYI, i am not considering merch and sponsors, because while they're the ones that produce the most amount of money, chances are the members are the most interested in these.
I doubt if she continues to do collabs with males or doesn't it'll have any impact on her monitarily but I'd recommend against giving the complainers what they want, giving them an inch and they take a mile and all that. I wouldn't recommend addressing the people counter posting either though. If it was some out-of-hololive collab I'd maybe give them some leeway but they're literally her coworkers so it comes across especially autistic, and even more so when you can just not watch those specific streams.
I actually expected her to at least address the infighting among kronies, like she did after the backseating on her Megaman streams, but nothing has been said so far. Maybe she took a page out of Gura's book. We'll see if she also ignores the superchats.

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She's reading them now, should be entertaining. These people are truly special "I am big mad, let me send you $100 to let you know how mad I am!"
 
All of you niggers forget that most of these people's audiences are mainly fucking unityfag normies that don't give a shit about m*les because they also watch the nijis and vshojo, the unicorns are just the loudest and tend to actually voice their opinions unlike the silent majority.

Imo the JP girls have way more unicorns than the EN ones, so im not worried at all about it.
Now with extra Kwanza (A holiday invented in the 60's or 70's that has no religious grounding and just celebrates generic African pride for people who have never been to Africa)
Today i learned this is a thing that exists, wtf? Also da """afrikans""" are unable to not steal for a second and straight up jacked the jewish candle thingy.
 
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This one is my favorite. Starting off strong with:
"Sorry"
"I'm not proud of myself"
Brother if you truly felt that way you wouldn't have actually posted it. He already knows how pathetic it sounds. He even knows exactly what to do. He quite literally says he'll just either not watch the collabs or just watch them with low priority. There! Case closed. So why then post that drivel on her schedule post? It's because he's trying to emotionally manipulate her. He's attempting to sound like a reasonable concerned fan, but the tone of his post is so melodramatic that I could actually feel the cold sweat he had while typing it out. It's entertainment you crazy people lemao. These girls aren't even GFE streamers so there isn't even any remotely justifiable reason for them to be dealing with this kind of garbage. I could understand Rushia gachikois being miffed that their yandere gfe was being broken by some dude if she collabed with a homostar, but the EN girls? Really? That post has over 200 likes on it. That's extremely disappointing to know that at least 200 people actually feel like that guy's post was good enough to agree with.

She's reading them now, should be entertaining. These people are truly special "I am big mad, let me send you $100 to let you know how mad I am!"
Don't you know? If someone gives you money, that means they get to have a say in who you can interact with on your stream. Akasupas give you more sway obviously.
 
All of you niggers forget that most of these people's audiences are mainly fucking unityfag normies that don't give a shit about m*les because they also watch the nijis and vshojo, the unicorns are just the loudest and tend to actually voice their opinions unlike the silent majority.

Imo the JP girls have way more unicorns than the EN ones, so im not worried at all about it.
Don't worry, Unitychads already have their force on the inside for the JP girls
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(source if anyone is interested)
 
Damn, at least fujos generally don't drop red superchats telling male vtubers not to stream with girls.
Yeah, they comment bomb and spammed twitter hashtags, possibly even spamming DMs if they want the extra efforts
 
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