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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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And those are the super-hyper-competent Blackwater spooks we've been sending? To make use of the immortal words of John Paul Jones, we have clearly not yet begun to fight.
If Blackwater was there, the Russian army would've suffered even more casualties to the point where they would have left all of Ukraine by now. Including the Crimea.
 
For a smart person, Elon is pretty stupid, and history illiterate.
The people can decide.
The border is nearby. They have Russian passports if they are Russian ethnics. If they want to be part of Russia, cross the border.
As for the LAND, the TERRITORY, that cannot be decided while in a war that displaced all opposition by the "will of the people".
Also, Elon would not allow Floridians to vote their way out and destabilize the GAE. Nor would he be OK with white or black ethnostates inside the US.
So why is he trying to push this idiocy? It's obvious he doesn't understand history, war or diplomacy.
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I think it's telling how sees the conflict with how he slapped it on a twitter poll with an inflammatory statement. Invading a country and then holding a referendum is just plain fucking aggression. You took the land then held a hasty referendum to claim legal ownership after you already invaded it. Of course no one fucking trusts that besides from the ones who already thought Russia's war was justified to begin with.
 
I think it's telling how sees the conflict with how he slapped it on a twitter poll with an inflammatory statement. Invading a country and then holding a referendum is just plain fucking aggression. You took the land then held a hasty referendum to claim legal ownership after you already invaded it. Of course no one fucking trusts that besides from the ones who already thought Russia's war was justified to begin with.
I assume Musk is just looking for a way to stop the war asap, without considering the nuances. I get the sentiment, but it's not a reasonable approach.
It's impossible to have a fair referendum when a country-aggressor is occupying the area, after local population was massively displaced. And you know how Russian elections are, US got a taste of it with Biden.
Empty villages having 90% turnout, right.
 
Since I mentioned it, I figured I'd put it here now that a clip of it has gone up.
Almost 3 million views now.
this is a really good post, you're all niggers for not giving him stickers or viewing this. Stop slapfighting each other over trivial bullshit and pick at these arguments/topics instead!
 
Bandera was a nazi collaborator and i can hardly blame the Russians for having a problem with him, even more so, Ukrainians should have a problem with him too. But no, Hohols rather throw anniversary parades for the SS Division "Galicia".

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Crimea was part of Russia for longer than it was part of Ukraine and when the democratically elected president in Ukraine was forced to flee the country and replaced by a western puppet regime, Russia took Crimea back with a referendum.
Oh no, a Nazi collaborator! How horrible. No wonder the Russians hate him, I mean who the fuck would ever collaborate with the Nazis to invade a country.

Anyways, I'm famished. Anyone else in the thread hungry? I just got my bonus so I'll buy us all dinner. I know a new place in town, they have amazing Kielbasa. It's called Molotov Ribbentrop. The portions are fuckin huge though so we may have to split a main dish.


Edit: because it just popped into my mind. When CRP offs himself after Russia ends up losing do you think he'll film it with 700 different cameras at different angles like he used to?
 
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Watching this war blow up in Putins face has been a highlight of the year.

What are the odds some miracle play is going to happen?
If you wrote the events that transpired a year ago as a action movie or book it would be mocked endlessly and bashed as unrealistic dribble that panders to the call of duty crowd. Give it a few years and the Russians will inherent the reputation of having a clown show military that laymen usually would give the French.
 
If you wrote the events that transpired a year ago as a action movie or book it would be mocked endlessly and bashed as unrealistic dribble that panders to the call of duty crowd. Give it a few years and the Russians will inherent the reputation of having a clown show military that laymen usually would give the French.
And it would star Arnold Swarznegger or Sylvester Stalone at their most 80's.
 
this is a really good post, you're all niggers for not giving him stickers or viewing this. Stop slapfighting each other over trivial bullshit and pick at these arguments/topics instead!
Dave makes a bunch of arguments in the video that we've already seen gone over a hundred times in the thread like the whole idea there was a coup in Ukraine because voted the way Russia wouldn't like.

The US state department likely did think of it as a major win, but just as Nigel Farage coming to the US to speak in favor of Trump wasn't England engaging in a coup it's also weird to argue the US promoted a coup in Ukraine by having some people go over saying they wanted them to vote a certain way.

Dave also makes some random assertions about Donbass just kinda buying Russian idea that it was the people there wanting to war with Ukraine when it looks more likely it was Russia pulling hijinks as they tried arming people to start shit there.

He's probably watched youtube videos from guys like Gonzo Lira, so feels he's now an expert on the subject, but a lot of what he says just sounds retarded after everything that's come out since the start of the war.
 
.Also, not having a standing professional army is bad. Even if you can draft countless men, WW1 proved that human wave tactics were bullshit. The Russian Empire far outnumbered the Germans in WW1 in terms of manpower, yet the Germans WON THE WAR ON THE EASTERN FRONT. It got so bad that the Communists came to power in Russia, and people flocked to their banners because they were tired of the war with Germany, which THEY WERE LOSING. The peace treaty with the Germans ended with the Soviets giving away a shit ton of land to Germany. And keep in mind, that was Germany fighting a two-front war. So your argument of Russia winning through human wave tactics is hilarious, when the Russians can't even supply these soldiers properly anymore, nor are they bothering to train them.
They weren't able to supply their troops during WW2 either. They survived largely on the vast industrial capacity of North America and the shipping protection of the British Convoy system. And no please spare me the Soviet Statistics that they made so many more T-34's than anything the Yankee's gave them. The US supplied the steel, the tooling and mill machines. They supplied all the textiles for uniforms and the fuel to drive the troops to battle.
 
Oh no, a Nazi collaborator! How horrible. No wonder the Russians hate him, I mean who the fuck would ever collaborate with the Nazis to invade a country.

Anyways, I'm famished. Anyone else in the thread hungry? I just got my bonus so I'll buy us all dinner. I know a new place in town, they have amazing Kielbasa. It's called Molotov Ribbentrop. The portions are fuckin huge though so we may have to split a main dish.


Edit: because it just popped into my mind. When CRP offs himself after Russia ends up losing do you think he'll film it with 700 different cameras at different angles like he used to?
When your logic is so retarded you compare a non-aggression pact with literal fucking hohols dragging their own people out of homes for the SS so they could be killed

Everyone was aware what those people did and yet you make excuses for cucks that get a hard-on for Bandera

 
When your logic is so retarded you compare a non-aggression pact with literal fucking hohols dragging their own people out of homes for the SS so they could be killed

Everyone was aware what those people did and yet you make excuses for cucks that get a hard-on for Bandera

Sure. It was a "non-aggression pact". A pact where they instead chose to attack the Polish together.

And then committed their own massacre at Katyn. Seriously, who the fuck sees the Soviets as the good guys in WW2? If anything, they were just as bad as the Nazis, maybe even worse. They just wound up on the Allied side because the Germans betrayed them. If the Nazis agreed to accept the USSR into the Axis Powers as Stalin originally wanted, the Soviets would've been on their side.

The Nazis genocided foreigners and minorities to make room for their native populace out of some twisted form of love for the German people. The Soviets literally didn't care when 20 million of their own died due to Stalin's purges and plans. Which one is worse? The one who kills outsiders to make room for their people? Or the one that lets their own people die without giving a damn?
 
Sure. It was a "non-aggression pact". A pact where they instead chose to attack the Polish together.

And then committed their own massacre at Katyn. Seriously, who the fuck sees the Soviets as the good guys in WW2? If anything, they were just as bad as the Nazis, maybe even worse. They just wound up on the Allied side because the Germans betrayed them. If the Nazis agreed to accept the USSR into the Axis Powers as Stalin originally wanted, the Soviets would've been on their side.

The Nazis genocided foreigners and minorities to make room for their native populace out of some twisted form of love for the German people. The Soviets literally didn't care when 20 million of their own died due to Stalin's purges and plans. Which one is worse? The one who kills outsiders to make room for their people? Or the one that lets their own people die without giving a damn?
Apples and oranges. The soviet union does not exist anymore, the Russians today are not soviets and are not fighting to restore the soviet union. Meanwhile the hohol cucks that the west supported during the 2014 coup still run around with their red and black banderite flags, bandera pictures and teach kids songs about him.

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Apples and oranges. The soviet union does not exist anymore, the Russians today are not soviets and are not fighting to restore the soviet union. Meanwhile the hohol cucks that the west supported during the 2014 coup still run around with their red and black banderite flags, bandera pictures and teach kids songs about him.
Could've fooled me. They keep lionizing the Soviets in their propaganda, and they're trying to reconquer a part of the world that was once ruled by Moscow. I mean, come on, it doesn't take a genius to see that modern Russia takes more from the Soviet Union than it does from the Russian Empire.

And maybe that's because no Russian Czar was ever crazy enough to take on a country backed by the whole western world.
 
Everyone was aware what those people did and yet you make excuses for cucks that get a hard-on for Bandera

Soviet Union knew what nazis did, yet kept supplying nazi germnay with oil, steel, rubber and all other things needed to create and run a war machine up till 1941. Soviet Union offered kriegsmarine the use of their norhtern ports while nazi submarines were hunting down allied ships
Nazis were killing jews? yes. Soviets, the only viable alternative, have been killing Ukrainians (and jews too, albeit not based on ethnicity ). Soviets have brutally squashed any independence attempts Ukraine had, nazis promised to give them a smidge of independence.
It's funny how people see all history one dimensionally without noticing any context. In 50 years people will be learning in history classes that freedom loving, pro-LGBTQWTF USA was allied with a "throw a fag from the roof, oppress women" Saudi Arabia and will not be able to understand why unless US historiography omitts this entirely
 
Soviet Union knew what nazis did, yet kept supplying nazi germnay with oil, steel, rubber and all other things needed to create and run a war machine up till 1941. Soviet Union offered kriegsmarine the use of their norhtern ports while nazi submarines were hunting down allied ships
That's kind of bullshit, bro. Like you might be factually accurate, but the USSR and the Nazis were ideologically incompatible as much as the USSR and the USA were.

Soft power is trade. Any soft power in the run up to WWII happened in the environment of trying to forestall the main conflict as well as trying to pull everything out of the steep economic dive which was as threatening as the prospect of war.

Putin now is clearly leveraging fossil fuels as trade power.
 
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