AI Art Seething General

I think making visual art will just be like playing an instrument. Machines can do it better but it's still impressive if you can make music the hard way. Also...

Dall-E 2: “drawing of a spooky kiwi bird with jack o lantern in front of autumn background”

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I think AI art is very impressive but I think people are overeacting to it. That one guy I've seen calling himself an artist when all he does is type commands at an AI art generator is a fucking dumb ass and the people completely rejecting the concept are retarded too but it definitely comes from a real place of worry that the goal of all this is to make sure AI replaces real human artists, which is understandable to me. That shit happens every time a machine is invented to make jobs easier, like those self-checkouts. When they were invented, I recall people acting like those were gonna replace checkouts run by humans when they didn't.
One thing's for sure, AI art is definitely held back by the fact that it is easily censored and when corporations begin to fully control them they will be so compromised that they won't even be worth it. I'm pretty sure DALL-E already blacklists terms, so it's already the beginning of that. It's also fucking useless if you want something specific. AI art generators are just amazing tools but they're not gonna completely replace human artists
 
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I think I might hate AI art on principle because they appeal to bugmen like these.
MadDisaster said:
Some of the AI art I've seen has been really beautiful, in a surreal, dream-like way.

I suspect this will end up being like digital art for the people who like to consider themselves artists - a bunch of people with a similar skillset making similar art with the same tools, like everyone drawing the same anime/mamga type characters.

There will certainly be a niche for it as a tool, and some skilled people will make really cool things. I don’t think it will ever really replace traditional art, any more than digital art replaced traditional art. The places where it will be most utilized aren't the ones that would be buying an oil painting.
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Realistically, the only application I see these being used for at the moment is concept art since it's similar to photobashing. Even then, it's still going to need a human to draw out the actual art that's going to be used.
 
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Wonathan Joss said:
I think AI art is very impressive but I think people are overeacting to it. That one guy I've seen calling himself an artist when all he does is type commands at an AI art generator is a fucking dumb ass and the people completely rejecting the concept are retarded too but it definitely comes from a real place of worry that the goal of all this is to make sure AI replaces real human artists, which is understandable to me. That shit happens every time a machine is invented to make jobs easier, like those self-checkouts. When they were invented, I recall people acting like those were gonna replace checkouts run by humans when they didn't.
One thing's for sure, AI art is definitely held back by the fact that it is easily censored and when corporations begin to fully control them they will be so compromised that they won't even be worth it. I'm pretty sure DALL-E already blacklists terms, so it's already the beginning of that. It's also fucking useless if you want something specific. AI art generators are just amazing tools but they're not gonna completely replace human artists
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More reason to support stability.ai over dall-e and other close source models. I didn't care much when ai art came on the scene because of bs filters and limited access that just makes it seem like they are teasing us about the cool toys they have while judging us plebs as being unworthy of it.

The open source competitor changed that though, being able to run stable diffusion on my computer is just the tits. Want a cool Halloween wallpaper, just load it up, type in some prompts and pick the best out of a hundred pictures made.

As for artists, I see it the same way as programmers. They're still always be a need for someone who can write libraries and drivers, similar they're will always be a need for someone who knows how to use color and set a scene. For the rest of us being able to whip up some simple commands to sort files or make a quick picture on the heavy lifting someone else did is incredibly useful
 
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Wonathan Joss said:
That one guy I've seen calling himself an artist when all he does is type commands at an AI art generator
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I have a feeling old conversations about what constitutes art and the artist will soon be revitalized in the public consciousness yet again. There's a difference between a lifelong painter and someone who decides one day to arbitrarily duct tape a banana to a wall. It's so clear even a child would be able to point it out, and yet we call both of these artists. It brings to mind the absolute seething I used to witness in my old art class whenever someone would turn in an image they had photographed and applied a couple Photoshop filters to.

I wonder, are videos on TikTok art? I'd argue some videos on YouTube are. Modern discourse on art even counts curation amongst the varied forms art can manifest, so why not prompting an AI generating program? Or would that be closer to writing, albeit being quite poor literature?

If inputs are to be accepted, then is playing a video game art? Or running a program with one's favored configurations? Is art merely the manifestation of the final result and not itself the many individual choices and intent invoked by the artist? I feel like we should all reread Marshall McLuhan's Understanding Media in preparation for what is to come.
 
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Question for kiwis on the subject of AI art making artists hide their art from the training sets. If I am a young illustrator and I practice in part by copying the style of some illustrators I like for practice and I eventually get my own style thats similar but still distinct, did I steal from them? Is my hypothetical work better because I worked on learning it vs being a machine learning model?

I am split personally on how I feel about AI art. I think it can be cool but its generated entirely from human art so it can never be creative. A minecraft terrain is not "creative" but it is generative. Same with the image generation tools IMO. If you were an artist and you saw other artists starting to publish things in your style would you be hiding your work from them? Is the hesitance based on how fast the images can be generated or is it about the inhumanity of the process?

Not trying to start any fights
 
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／Ｏｕｒ Ｌａｄｄｉｅ／ said:
Question for kiwis on the subject of AI art making artists hide their art from the training sets. If I am a young illustrator and I practice in part by copying the style of some illustrators I like for practice and I eventually get my own style thats similar but still distinct, did I steal from them? Is my hypothetical work better because I worked on learning it vs being a machine learning model?

I am split personally on how I feel about AI art. I think it can be cool but its generated entirely from human art so it can never be creative. A minecraft terrain is not "creative" but it is generative. Same with the image generation tools IMO. If you were an artist and you saw other artists starting to publish things in your style would you be hiding your work from them? Is the hesitance based on how fast the images can be generated or is it about the inhumanity of the process?

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No. This is what the alleged Picasso quote "good artists copy, great artists steal" means. It's not permission to plagiarize like most smoothbrains think but to take your inspirations and make them your own.
 
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John Titor said:
No. This is what the alleged Picasso quote "good artists copy, great artists steal" means. It's not permission to plagiarize like most smoothbrains think but to take your inspirations and make them your own.
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So where do you think the AI stuff lies? It never plagiarizes unless you tragically overtrain it on one style or piece.
I guess style isn't protected under copyright law so I guess if you publish you become part of the machine. Kinda like how people ree at the farms but the info's all posted in the clear by the originator and transformed through autism into OPs.
 
Atatata said:
Someone made some AI thing for Kim Jung Gi, a pretty famous korean artist that recently died a couple of days ago and to say the least artists aren't taking it well in the slightest.
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I wonder if the guy realizes this comes off as clout chasing using a dead guy's work and name.

／Ｏｕｒ Ｌａｄｄｉｅ／ said:
So where do you think the AI stuff lies? It never plagiarizes unless you tragically overtrain it on one style or piece.
I guess style isn't protected under copyright law so I guess if you publish you become part of the machine. Kinda like how people ree at the farms but the info's all posted in the clear by the originator and transformed through autism into OPs.
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I don't know enough about the legal stuff especially when stuff like this is new. I mentioned it earlier that this stuff is close to photobashing but those usually involve free to use assets so I don't know what this will mean in the big picture.
Here's an example if you don't know what that is:
 
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／Ｏｕｒ Ｌａｄｄｉｅ／ said:
Question for kiwis on the subject of AI art making artists hide their art from the training sets. If I am a young illustrator and I practice in part by copying the style of some illustrators I like for practice and I eventually get my own style thats similar but still distinct, did I steal from them? Is my hypothetical work better because I worked on learning it vs being a machine learning model?
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Every artist learns from another artist's style. It isn't stealing unless you're tracing/reposting their work directly and claiming it as your own.

As for which is "better", human art has more flexibility. It isn't the artist apocalypse.
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Someone made some AI thing for Kim Jung Gi, a pretty famous korean artist that recently died a couple of days ago and to say the least artists aren't taking it well in the slightest.
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One of those moments where I can say the backlash was deserved.
 
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Jimjamflimflam said:
There's something almost wholesome in that it's always women in period clothing done in classical style with giant honkers..... almost wholesome.
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I only grasped how weird things have become when I saw a few of those images and then went looking on the Internet to see if someone was doing something similar, just with normal-sized breasts.

I don't know, I guess it's just that nuclear knockers are so damn easy to find that I realized I was longing for a pure dose of wholesome.
 
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