Why host dox? - On the "utilitarian value" of hosting dox

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Do you thing KF should host "full" dox? (name+Address and more)

  • Yes

    Votes: 102 42.7%
  • No

    Votes: 30 12.6%
  • Only visible for members

    Votes: 92 38.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 15 6.3%

  • Total voters
    239

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With the events of the last weeks finally slowing down and all threads back open a nagging question is still in my mind - is it in any way beneficial for KF to host dox?
I understand and agree with the point of view that most if not all data compiled here is collected from public info the exceptional individuals posted themselves, and thus nothing about the contents of most dox is illegal. And on the other hand I understand that this kind of bounty hunt is fun, especially with guys like Ethan Ralph and Keffals who constantly drop breadcrumbs about their everchanging whereabouts.
But what happens when all is said and done and the dox is posted for all to see? How does it improve the thread or makes it funnier?
The only difference I see, is it that with dox anybody with a grudge who is able to use google can harass the lolcow, and terminally online twitter users can use it to show how all KF-Users are "ebil nazees" who want to murder someones mom.
With the main rule being "don't pozload my neghole", hosting dox only encourages the touching of said poo by idiots, which will always fall back on the public image of KF.
Just post it on doxbin and hint at it if you're so proud of your doxxing skills.

Maybe its' something I just don't get, but in my opinion the best threads are like Kevin Gibe (or way back when Peter Coffin), where they mostly consist of screenshotting the stupid shit they say on their own accord and laughing at the absurdity of it, without constant alogging and doxing like in the keffals-related threads.

tl;dr: Posting dox is like fedposting, I would prefer if you wouldn't

Edit: I'm dumb and didn't see there was already a discussion thread in Mass Debates
 
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because 'doxing' is relative. everyone has a different arbitrary limit of what they are comfortable having posted on this site. there is no possible way to define a limit on what is allowed to be posted without effectively providing a way for people to censor the forum.

to some people, just a first name is dox. a "dead name" is dox. some people are so public their addresses are on their websites.

if "doxing" became illegal, then there'd at least be guidelines to follow. but until those things are set in stone, dox is a word that means nothing in particular.

you are responsible for your privacy. not me.
 
I used to be against doxing entirely. It wasn't until I watched KF dox a user known as 10thAnon (real name Isabella Janke) that I realized it's a skill and I understand people wanting to show off their skill set. There's a thread on here for a guy who calls himself Razörfist. His real name is Daniel Harris but he has adamantly denied this for years. Another user gave out an old address and an arrest record tied to that name and address. I looked up the house and managed to find out it was recently sold. The pictures on Zillow showed the room he uses for the majority of his videos.

He's recently been very vocal about his disdain for doxing. It's been rather funny. So, I must disagree about it not being funny.

I understand the problem with randos finding the dox. It's why I try to private all my doxing info. Even then, I'm not responsible for another person's actions.
 
I understand what the OP is saying. I respectfully disagree, but still love them.

Like it or not, dox are an integral part of KF's culture. To ask that the Farms not dox anyone anymore would be like going to KFC and asking them to stop selling chicken. Even in the unlikely event KFC were to listen to you and cease selling deep-fried poultry products, they'd still have a reputation for selling said products (not to mention a lot of disappointed people visiting their restaurants looking for a bucket of chicken only to be offered a bucket of Kentucky Fried Bugs instead).

Don't want to get doxed? Don't overshare and don't behave like a retard on the internet.
 
Null explained it before a dox is relative, for some lolcows you can say that posting their face is already doxing, or posting the porn they did or whatever.
If anything, hosting the addresses of those exceptional individuals is a valuable lesson to normal people to think about what and what not to post about themselves on the internet.
But then again having the full address of someone on here is kind of morally dubious if you ask me and I could do without but then again I don't wanna take away the fun from the members that made a sport out of finding a dox.
 
I'm fine if governments want to criminalize doxing under stalking/coercion/harassment laws, setting up privacy czars and the like.
But that'll never happen since the far-left love weaponizing it too much and corporations love invading people's privacy.
 
This is a tired talking point that serves no purpose. This website serves as an archive for information. What's the point of archiving information (especially about shitty people) if it's not comprehensive?

There are numerous websites that exist solely to host personal information. If they really have an issue with dox being posted, they ought to go after the sites that post that info, to begin with. Even if we didn't host "dox," if a bad actor really wanted that information, there are plenty of other places to find it. Jesus fucking christ, it's not like we're doxbin, (though, doxbins do get posted here).

As Null stated, "doxing" is subjective. The vast majority of the dox on this site was obtained through internet autism and/or doxbin. So long as the information isn't obtained illegally or distributed maliciously, the only thing wrong with it is that it makes people uncomfortable. Even so, making someone cry and shit and piss in their pants isn't illegal... but it can make for some good milk. Alternatively, it can be used as a learning opportunity for individuals to improve their opsec and behavior.

In my opinion, doxing is being used as a shield for those who dislike the nature of this site. Just because some of the content hosted here can make people uncomfortable, doesn't mean it shouldn't be allowed to exist.

Edit: Regarding your poll, I don't see the point in dox being members-only since anyone can create an account here. Idiots will just do the same thing they've been doing... screenshotting posts here to post elsewhere and cry victim.
 
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This is a tired talking point that serves no purpose. This website serves as an archive for information. What's the point of archiving information (especially about shitty people) if it's not comprehensive?

There are numerous websites that exist solely to host personal information. If they really have an issue with dox being posted, they ought to go after the sites that post that info, to begin with. Even if we didn't host "dox," if a bad actor really wanted that information, there are plenty of other places to find it. Jesus fucking christ, it's not like we're doxbin, (though, doxbins do get posted here).

As Null stated, "doxing" is subjective. The vast majority of the dox on this site was obtained through internet autism and/or doxbin. So long as the information isn't obtained illegally or distributed maliciously, the only thing wrong with it is that it makes people uncomfortable. Even so, making someone cry and shit and piss in their pants isn't illegal... but it can make for some good milk. Alternatively, it can be used as a learning opportunity for individuals to improve their opsec and behavior.

In my opinion, doxing is being used as a shield for those who dislike the nature of this site. Just because some of the content hosted here can make people uncomfortable, doesn't mean it shouldn't be allowed to exist.

Edit: Regarding your poll, I don't see the point in dox being members-only since anyone can create an account here. Idiots will just do the same thing they've been doing... screenshotting posts here to post elsewhere and cry victim.
The idea behind members-only dox was to remove it from webcrawlers and automated archiving, as that was used as an argument by keffals&co to get KF removed from archive.org .
I know that it sound like bending the knee to men in dresses, but again, what are the positives of hosting dox publicly?

I'm just thinking about how to reduce the heat on the forums without negative impact so we can all shitpost in peace again.
 
I do not like that KF hosts dox. Its all public information and legal, but not necessary to talk about people. We could do well without it.

However, it should continue to host dox simply because it has in the past and should not be forced to stop doing something completely legal due to threats.
 
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personally i think it's a bit much when someone gets doxed because of a picture of their carpet. i think keffals recently got doxed because of a doorknob or something. weird shit. anyway at that point it feels a little weird and obsessive but then again i could call 99% of the posters on here weird and obsessive (myself included) so that's kind of what the forum is all about, you know?

i'll confess that i always find it kinda fascinating when someone posts a dox, not because of the information but because of how they obtained it. explaining how they dug everything up is not only interesting but also educational because it teaches you what bad opsec looks like

anyway. it's not illegal so attempting to moderate it wouldn't be in the spirit of the site regardless of how uncomfortable it might make you feel. tons of content on this site is uncomfortable and morally dubious - just take a look at any gross horrorcow for example
 
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When I post dox it usually takes me about 5-10 minutes to get the basic data. If the person has used the slightest amount of common sense in protecting their info, it takes about 30 minutes. Every couple months I attempt to "dox" myself so that I can ascertain that my own data is more difficult to obtain. You can do this too- it takes a little time but it is not difficult and it requires no special code, law enforcement, or other insider knowledge.

The main sources of data are whitepages type websites, of which there are many of varying quality (I like to protect the names of my faves so they don't become targets), social media, and- this is a big one- your mom or grandma's social media.

Yes your number one infosec enemy is not 1337 haxXors. It's grandma's completely unlocked friend's list. She's in the white pages and you and your mom and your sister are all listed as possible relatives of hers. I punch your last name into search above her FB friends page and there you are. I see that you are using the handle "publicmasterbaiter" as your direct URL. I punch that into another couple engines and I have your insta, twitter, and your fetlife.

This could have been prevented. Consider me as a teacher demonstrating to you how to better protect your privacy.
 
How is doxing even an issue? Don't want your personal information on the Internet? Then maybe don't publish it there out of your own free will, lmao.
In fairness, in first world countries, it usually isn't possible to get someone's address (from their voter registration) directly from some people-finder website for free, you have to pay some service intended for PIs that is semi-illegal and priced like it. That only happens in America.
 
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