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[LurkTrawl]

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So he did exactly as everyone should've expected.

 

[God of Nothing]

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it was fun while it lasted
and there'll likely still be seething

later, white nigger

 

[Socrates]

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State department owned propaganda front will continue to be a state department owned propaganda front regardless of how wacky and wild the "owner" of it is. Big fuckin' whoop. I never used it and will continue to never use it.

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

Crossing from the war thread, the claims I've seen so far are that they're on the ground to investigate and inventory foreign arms depots in the country, after recent movements and evidence that the arms are ending up on the black market. This could be a prelude to an increase, it could be a prelude to declaring it unsafe to give them more arms until they sort it out, a sort of soft bail on the country, it could be a big old nothingburger.

Whatever it ends up being, right now the headcount is pretty limited.

Though it does prompt the concern of them getting kalibrated while inspecting weapons.

 

[teriyakiburns]

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But... but the plan? To the moon, right? Hodl? Hodl !?

 

[Gehenna]

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Look, I don't trust Musk to not fold to pressure either but this doesn't mean what you think it means.

The first tweet from Elon is just a boilerplate "We talked about it", not saying anything about what was said. This is exactly what I'd expect to be said whether the result was decided to make twitter a free-for-all or to make it the start of the fifth Reich. It's meaningless.

The second provides the only substantive thing, we know no decisions will be made for another few weeks so that's taking longer than he expected. Honestly, kinda expect it to be dragged out past November 8ths just to push any decisions out of the limelight of election season.

And the third is his boilerplate disclaimer about making sure that there is a variety of views on whatever council he makes up. Again, meaningless.

All this is, is a whole pile of nothing.

 

[ShitLurker]

Also, the mere fact Biden's twitter is getting fact checked is huge.

 

[The Last Stand]

So nothing has changed. The hope is, will Musk cause twitter to crash and burn, not save it. Fuck twitter regardless if it's for free speech or not.

At least they made a free speech stand to spam "nigger" on a public platform. Winning!

 

[Vic Smackey]

How war works today is that the implausibly deniable number of guys point the missiles and aim the artillery and then the guys with 4 weeks of training who were press-ganged into fighting push the fire button.

I don't know whether there are US forces deployed in Ukraine but it would not surprise me if there were. Anybody who knows anything about warfare (modern especially) understands that there are a lot of "non combat" positions with very low fatality rates which are crucial to the overall war effort. Logistics being the most obvious, Intelligence, Medical and Training in order of numbers required. If the US (or any other western nation) are helping the Ukraine with men it would be in those fields.

That provides the Ukrainians with the distinct advantage of allowing men to be transferred to the front which would explain their increase in combat strength and readiness. Their mass conscription would also explain it and frankly be a better explanation. All this being said, I hate Ukiesimps more than I do Vatniks. It's going to hurt us long term far more than it hurts Russia long term and importantly, it gives the CCP so much more power.

 

[chainer]

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The jannies of /r/CAGuns (/u/420BlazeArk is a mod) literally support illegals voting.
Why else would there so many "American citizens" who only speak Spanish that the ballot needs to be translated? Even anchor babies should learn English in school...

This is a simple one.
This is a nation of laws. Those laws are written in American English. Learn and speak the fucking primary language.

 

[HackerX]

How war works today is that the implausibly deniable number of guys point the missiles and aim the artillery and then the guys with 4 weeks of training who were press-ganged into fighting push the fire button.

You're not wrong, but I'll expand on this a bit. Nations are developing/developed "systems warfare". China is the first off the top of my head that the systems concept is higher than the Western "people win war". (Although I'm sure US and the like take it into account and there's a lot more nuance than we know)

The entire idea is that as militaries continue relying on complex systems and processes, that an adversary just needs to target specific components that'll make said systems and processes fail. China specifically views a person as just another component in a system.

It's one of the reasons the Russia Ukraine conflict is interesting because the major global powers are definitely using it as a sandbox to:

A) Test capabilities in a wartime environment.
B) Testing the response to said capabilities.
C) Using deception and systems with known issues to monitor how the adversary exploits the weaknesses.

 

[Kuritan Deplorable]

Look, I don't trust Musk to not fold to pressure either but this doesn't mean what you think it means.

The first tweet from Elon is just a boilerplate "We talked about it", not saying anything about what was said. This is exactly what I'd expect to be said whether the result was decided to make twitter a free-for-all or to make it the start of the fifth Reich. It's meaningless.

The second provides the only substantive thing, we know no decisions will be made for another few weeks so that's taking longer than he expected. Honestly, kinda expect it to be dragged out past November 8ths just to push any decisions out of the limelight of election season.

And the third is his boilerplate disclaimer about making sure that there is a variety of views on whatever council he makes up. Again, meaningless.

All this is, is a whole pile of nothing.

I've found the expectations of the twitter takeover to be excessively wild, between doomeristic and optimistic. There was never a reality in which twitter would condone 400 characters of "Nigger", or a reality in which twitter would make their lead banner "Trannies should perform neck extensions to failure". The pure free speech twitter was always a naive idea.

The optimistic outcome for the twitter pivot in the future is being able to talk about right-of-center things without immediate ban waves slapping you into the earth. To establish a twitter where you can say "Hey this Hunter laptop is pretty fucked up" or "I disagree with the current thing" without being shadow or full banned. The pessimistic future for it is "nothing really changes and it continues as it was, dying off".

 

[AnotherPleb]

There is a third option here and it is if anything more... depressing? The Establishment didn't let Bernie win because they wanted Hillary and sincerely believed they could keep a specific grift going further. Namely, they pay lip service to the progs but then give them jack shit. Keeping them in control through false promises and token bills that do nothing. Think, what Establishment Republicans have been doing to the entire grassroots party.

The problem is that Democrat politics do not work like Republican politics. Republicans really like their orderly successions and attempting to jump the queue is met with scorn when it comes time for political advancement. This means they have a much more firm control of who gets up higher unless someone bigger than them comes in and begins throwing their weight around.

Democrat politics meanwhile is more like a popularity contest. Whoever gets the most fame and attention wins, experience be damned. So Bernie came close to winning but they managed to shut him out and tried to assert their prior status quo. But... the Bernie voters didn't go away. They just started voting for Prog candidates. And then a few visible successes made their faction go from a comfortably controllable 12-15% to an unwieldy 30-35%.

They didn't believe the progs were a problem in 2016, and by the time 2020 rolled around the progs had too much power and removing Trump was more important than the itnernal schism.

Bet the DNC is really regretting the culling they did in Obama's term to pave the way for HRC.

 

[Gar For Archer]

I've found the expectations of the twitter takeover to be excessively wild, between doomeristic and optimistic. There was never a reality in which twitter would condone 400 characters of "Nigger", or a reality in which twitter would make their lead banner "Trannies should perform neck extensions to failure". The pure free speech twitter was always a naive idea.

The optimistic outcome for the twitter pivot in the future is being able to talk about right-of-center things without immediate ban waves slapping you into the earth. To establish a twitter where you can say "Hey this Hunter laptop is pretty fucked up" or "I disagree with the current thing" without being shadow or full banned. The pessimistic future for it is "nothing really changes and it continues as it was, dying off".

Anyone expecting Twitter to transform into classic 4chan is, frankly, retarded. Because ultimately, what gives Twitter power is that normies use it. If you drive the normies off with widespread /pol/-tier edgeposting, then it actually WILL die, which… is totally fine by me, but Elon just dumped $44 billion into this trashfire so it’s absolutely in his interest to not kill it. What he needs to accomplish is basically make sure that the average Twitter user who isn’t part of the 2% involved in political shit doesn’t notice a change in regime at all.

Literally the only thing that needs to happen is that whatever TOS they come up with is applied equally to all parties regardless of their politics, with any preferential treatment of trannies removed. Twitter’s problem wasn’t an overly restrictive TOS, it was a vague TOS used as a bludgeon to selectively censor people and opinions they didn’t like.

 

[part time friend]

There really is no other path I can think of for the Republican party to take, the current heads of the R party are dullard dinos and the most passionate Republicans are MAGA. If the Republican party doesn't get stampeded by MAGA, then they'll get stampeded by the Democrat party, they're too complacent and out of touch to remain the way they are.

It's what needs to happen though.

When I was growing up in the 80s and 90s I could not stand the Republican party. Fuck religion, get it away from politics so I was a blue dem. Then all of a sudden being a blue dem means you support these mentally ill men in dresses, puberty blockers for kids, schools are fucked.... and all of the cheating. What about putting America first? Why is it a hate crime to have pride in America. Being a white male turned into a crime. That's when I changed. I have the same beliefs I had when I was younger, the political map has moved so far left that I am Republican now.

 

[Kane Lives]

I've found the expectations of the twitter takeover to be excessively wild, between doomeristic and optimistic. There was never a reality in which twitter would condone 400 characters of "Nigger", or a reality in which twitter would make their lead banner "Trannies should perform neck extensions to failure". The pure free speech twitter was always a naive idea.

The optimistic outcome for the twitter pivot in the future is being able to talk about right-of-center things without immediate ban waves slapping you into the earth. To establish a twitter where you can say "Hey this Hunter laptop is pretty fucked up" or "I disagree with the current thing" without being shadow or full banned. The pessimistic future for it is "nothing really changes and it continues as it was, dying off".

In either case, most Kiwifarmers will not be affected. Unless you're actually one of the poor sops who use Twitter unironically, instead of using it to harvest primo cow content.

 

[Paul Pelosi's Boyfriend]

The Elon thing was legitimately funny because millions of retards actually thought a globalist billionaire was on their side.

 

[like_shutup_&_drive_scoob]

In either case, most Kiwifarmers will not be affected. Unless you're actually one of the poor sops who use Twitter unironically, instead of using it to harvest primo cow content.

I mean I don't use my real name one ever but I do have an alt attached that I use for video games and tv stuff..

I think it was foolish for anyone to expect Musk to allow people saying slurs on there after he bought it btw, unbanning is one thing but no way would he do that. This man married grimes and named his kid an area code or something. He's not that slick.

 

[Gar For Archer]

Anyone expecting Twitter to transform into classic 4chan is, frankly, retarded. Because ultimately, what gives Twitter power is that normies use it. If you drive the normies off with widespread /pol/-tier edgeposting, then it actually WILL die, which… is totally fine by me, but Elon just dumped $44 billion into this trashfire so it’s absolutely in his interest to not kill it. What he needs to accomplish is basically make sure that the average Twitter user who isn’t part of the 2% involved in political shit doesn’t notice a change in regime at all.

Literally the only thing that needs to happen is that whatever TOS they come up with is applied equally to all parties regardless of their politics, with any preferential treatment of trannies removed. Twitter’s problem wasn’t an overly restrictive TOS, it was a vague TOS used as a bludgeon to selectively censor people and opinions they didn’t like.

To expand on this point a bit, what makes Twitter such an insidious propaganda tool is that it doesn’t target normies by beaming propaganda directly into their eyeballs like CNN, but by cultivating an environment where everything but the far-left approved opinions are removed. For anyone with remotely sane beliefs, this engenders a feeling of isolation, and makes them question if everyone around them that they can see believes all this far-left bullshit, then maybe their own (moderate and reasonable) beliefs are actually too right-wing. Normies are, by definition, sheep who will do anything to fit in, and will thus mold themselves to try and fit into this entirely fabricated demographic. The silent majority have been silent for so long because they have been gaslighted into believing that they are a minority, and that sharing their completely reasonable middle of the road opinions will cause them to lose all of their friends, and possibly even lose their livelihood. These people neither need nor want walls of niggerposting* - merely seeing that their allegedly “fringe” opinions are actually way more widespread than they thought is enough of an antidote.

*Even here on the Farms, where we are free to nigger as we please, someone spamming nigger in a discussion thread would probably get their post reported and removed not because nigger word bad but because it’s unfunny off-topic spam; and someone who did nothing BUT spam nigger would probably be hit with at the very least a threadban.

 

[xX_rAcE_wAr_420_Xx]

To expand on this point a bit, what makes Twitter such an insidious propaganda tool is that it doesn’t target normies by beaming propaganda into their eyeballs, but by cultivating an environment where everything but the far-left approved opinions are removed. For anyone with remotely sane beliefs, this cultivates a feeling of isolation, and makes them question if everyone around them that they can see believes all this far-left bullshit, then maybe their own (moderate and reasonable) beliefs are actually too right-wing. Normies are, by definition, sheep who will do anything to fit in, and will thus mold themselves to try and fit into this entirely fabricated demographic. The silent majority have been silent for so long because they have been convinced that they are a minority, and that sharing their completely reasonable middle of the road opinions will cause them to lose all of their friends, and possibly even lose their livelihood. These people neither need nor want walls of niggerposting* - merely seeing that their allegedly “fringe” opinions are actually way more widespread than they thought is enough of an antidote.

*Even here on the Farms, where we are free to nigger as we please, someone spamming nigger in a discussion thread would probably get their post reported and removed not because nigger word bad but because it’s unfunny off-topic spam; and someone who did nothing BUT spam nigger would probably be hit with at the very least a threadban.

You bring up a very good point. I'm sure everyone reading this thread has had at least one moment in their life where they were talking with someone who hinted at having an illegal belief, and experienced a rush of relief: "I'm not alone, I'm not crazy, they see it too". Just the other day I was talking with a good friend, and a certain bit of social drama involving a person of gender came up, and he kind of rolled his eyes and we gave each other the "haha yeah whatever". A nice moment of calm, knowing that for the time being not all of the people I know have gotten body snatched.