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There seems to be a strong association between women who have tattoos and transing out.
Many also lack forward planning skills and are very impulsive.
But why don't they just get the skin roll-up from some other part of their body? I'm not super familiar with all of the different methods but I know the surgeons can make rot dogs from leg skin. I feel like these women are choosing to harvest flesh from their tattooed arms deliberately and I can't figure out why that could be.
 
There seems to be a strong association between women who have tattoos and transing out.
Many also lack forward planning skills and are very impulsive.
It’s the usual lesbo/troon overcompensating.

Lots of tattoos, lots of piercings. And then dressed as a 14 year old skater and hair dyed purple because they’re fundamentally women with a woman’s taste in decorating themselves.
 
But why don't they just get the skin roll-up from some other part of their body? I'm not super familiar with all of the different methods but I know the surgeons can make rot dogs from leg skin. I feel like these women are choosing to harvest flesh from their tattooed arms deliberately and I can't figure out why that could be.
Thigh skin rotdogs tend to be girthy to an extreme degree, especially if they want a fake urethra.
 
But why don't they just get the skin roll-up from some other part of their body? I'm not super familiar with all of the different methods but I know the surgeons can make rot dogs from leg skin. I feel like these women are choosing to harvest flesh from their tattooed arms deliberately and I can't figure out why that could be.
RFF is the most famous procedure. They see artwork and images of post-op TiFs with the 'cool' arm scars and want that too. Same as how they like the top surgery scarring.
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They like being able to show their dedication. Whether or not it's a conscious thought.
 
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Gay boy, internalised homophobia, ends up fixating on transition as a solution for his problems.
I know that this is a strong pipeline but it never made sense for me, you think fags are freaks, so you make your self even a bigger freak by dressing and acting like a woman? How about being a fag with some dignity? Or maybe even become a celibate hermit if you are disgusted with the hiv crowd, hell maybe even a blow doll or anything. Becoming a tranny is not a logical step at all.
 
But why don't they just get the skin roll-up from some other part of their body? I'm not super familiar with all of the different methods but I know the surgeons can make rot dogs from leg skin. I feel like these women are choosing to harvest flesh from their tattooed arms deliberately and I can't figure out why that could be.
The self-harm is less satisfying if they can easily hide it from themselves and others.
 
I know that this is a strong pipeline but it never made sense for me, you think fags are freaks, so you make your self even a bigger freak by dressing and acting like a woman? How about being a fag with some dignity? Or maybe even become a celibate hermit if you are disgusted with the hiv crowd, hell maybe even a blow doll or anything. Becoming a tranny is not a logical step at all.

Hmm yes… It truly is a mystery of the ages that mentally ill people don’t make rational decisions!

;)
 
A post-op TiF has made a vent post on r/phallo. She needs to use diaper cloth to catch her urine because she's incontinent. She's 28 years old.
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I Love My Lady Friends But...

(TW: Female Products)

Not looking for advice, just wanting to get this off my chest.


So I have these two cis female friends that's been very supportive throughout my phallo journey. They must not be quite experience with trans folks nor knowing what gender dysphoria is.

Recently I told them that I'm currently using reusable baby diaper cloth to catch my incontinence urine drips throughout the day. One of them suggested female wicking period underwear.

Now, I know they mean well, but there is no way in hell that I would resort to that. lol. Not only is female underwear not supportive of the new boys, but kind of a step backward in my journey for me.

I politely told them that I was fine using my baby diaper cloth for now.

It just made me recount all those other times where there's "girl talk" and I can't help but feel like I'm almost back to pre-transition me. Of course, I didn't bother to tell them that these topics can cause dysphoria for me because that's just regular conversation for them. I didn't want to make them "accommodate" me if you know what I mean. I'm assuming that we're close enough that they're able to have these "girls talk" in front of me(as a dude). I been open about my sexual life and my phallo surgery, because there's trust and comfort with these ladies.

I want to make this clear. None of them have been disrespectful or said things out of malice to me ever.

They're good friends, but I'm reminded that I need to make more guy friends. Haha! So far, I had successfully made a few guy friends and also develop a closer bond to my male family members. We have "boys talk" and it's super gender affirming! I feel like I'm finally in the right place in my life.

Btw, this post is not meant to talk down on women or anything. I love the women in my life, but I just can't relate to them anymore since transitioning. I grew up around a lot of women and befriended so many of them pre-transition.
These girls are so sensitive. Some real men might be fragile enough to be offended but they certainly wouldn't go on reddit and post a whinge essay about it.
TiFs are the worst women and make the worst 'men'.
"Not only is female underwear not supportive of the new boys, but kind of a step backward in my journey for me.

I politely told them that I was fine using my baby diaper cloth for now"

So wearing ladies undies is "regressive" but literal diapers aren't????????
 
Our girl Ashton Williams posted a new update on December 29.
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Some quotes:
  • "Cardio for example is a lot different … when you have a phallus that's literally split like a hot dog."
  • "My skin grafts in my mouth are healing pretty well. I still cannot eat solid foods."
  • "I can't open my mouth all the way completely."
  • "Besides that, everything is so great."
  • "Besides that, everything is going really, really well, and I'm very very happy with my life."
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Wait, have we seen any other ftms in this thread with split rotdogs? That sounds absolutely fucking horrifying, how the fuck is she okay with that?! So fucking casual about it like it’ll just stick back together like Velcro after 6 months.
 
Lots of tattoos, lots of piercings. And then dressed as a 14 year old skater and hair dyed purple because they’re fundamentally women with a woman’s taste in decorating themselves.
this is so true. most FTMs i see dress/act very feminine and put more time/effort into their makeup/accessories daily than the average woman does.
 
But why don't they just get the skin roll-up from some other part of their body? I'm not super familiar with all of the different methods but I know the surgeons can make rot dogs from leg skin. I feel like these women are choosing to harvest flesh from their tattooed arms deliberately and I can't figure out why that could be.
My high school classmate who was on a Discovery Health Channel program about 20 years ago had a phalloplasty, taken from his forearm. This skin is used because it's the most hairless skin on the body.

He didn't feel he could be the most complete man he could be until he had an organ he could urinate through, and after he recovered, he was pleased with the results.
 
A post-op TiF has made a vent post on r/phallo. She needs to use diaper cloth to catch her urine because she's incontinent. She's 28 years old.
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I Love My Lady Friends But...

(TW: Female Products)

Not looking for advice, just wanting to get this off my chest.


So I have these two cis female friends that's been very supportive throughout my phallo journey. They must not be quite experience with trans folks nor knowing what gender dysphoria is.

Recently I told them that I'm currently using reusable baby diaper cloth to catch my incontinence urine drips throughout the day. One of them suggested female wicking period underwear.

Now, I know they mean well, but there is no way in hell that I would resort to that. lol. Not only is female underwear not supportive of the new boys, but kind of a step backward in my journey for me.

I politely told them that I was fine using my baby diaper cloth for now.

It just made me recount all those other times where there's "girl talk" and I can't help but feel like I'm almost back to pre-transition me. Of course, I didn't bother to tell them that these topics can cause dysphoria for me because that's just regular conversation for them. I didn't want to make them "accommodate" me if you know what I mean. I'm assuming that we're close enough that they're able to have these "girls talk" in front of me(as a dude). I been open about my sexual life and my phallo surgery, because there's trust and comfort with these ladies.

I want to make this clear. None of them have been disrespectful or said things out of malice to me ever.

They're good friends, but I'm reminded that I need to make more guy friends. Haha! So far, I had successfully made a few guy friends and also develop a closer bond to my male family members. We have "boys talk" and it's super gender affirming! I feel like I'm finally in the right place in my life.

Btw, this post is not meant to talk down on women or anything. I love the women in my life, but I just can't relate to them anymore since transitioning. I grew up around a lot of women and befriended so many of them pre-transition.
These girls are so sensitive. Some real men might be fragile enough to be offended but they certainly wouldn't go on reddit and post a whinge essay about it.
TiFs are the worst women and make the worst 'men'.
Their post just screams female. They were uncomfortable about the "girl talk" going on, but instead of taking the MTF route of calling them transphobic bitches, she just made excuses for them. The girlfriends did nothing wrong, its just funny that this "man" is complaining on reddit. She could easily remove herself from these conversations and go work on a car or fix a cabinet. lol
 
My high school classmate who was on a Discovery Health Channel program about 20 years ago had a phalloplasty, taken from his forearm. This skin is used because it's the most hairless skin on the body.

He didn't feel he could be the most complete man he could be until he had an organ he could urinate through, and after he recovered, he was pleased with the results.
How on earth is the forearm the most hairless? On anyone?
 
1672705435627.pngThomas W. Johnson is a professor in the Department of Anthropology in California State University, Chico. He has a profound interest in eunuchs.

He wrote an article in 2014 arguing that the Islamic State should reincorporate eunuchs into their caliphate. It includes this incredible sentence:
As long as IS persists in beheading rather than castrating the males it captures, it has little hope of resurrecting a historic caliphate.
I would have assumed this was satire, but Johnson has shown to be very much in favor of the creation of new eunuchs in society. He was part of the committee writing the WPATH Standards of Care for eunuchs, a group he believes should be considered their own gender.

He gave a presentation on Standards of Care for euchuchs at WPATH's 27th "Scientific Symposium". Transcript and audio on Wesley Yang's substack.
Apparently this is an "invisible gender". I thought genders were supposed to be a social phenomenon?
Eunuchs today, though, are mostly an invisible gender. There's no real way to present as eunuch in the Western world. Most present publicly as male. They're indistinguishable from anyone else you see on the street. Sometimes they try to appear androgynous, but there is really no way they demonstrate publicly that they are other than male. And we estimate there are eight to ten thousand self-identified voluntary eunuchs in North America today.
Eunuchs are determined via self-identification only.
men are castrated for all kinds of other reasons. But those who are castrated for medical reasons very seldom identify as eunuchs. In Standards of Care Version 8, eunuch refers only to those who identify as eunuchs. So we're not including the prostate cancer patients, we're not including those who do not wish to have that identity.
Fetishists definitely don't count though, at least not in this presentation.
And who are these people? Who seeks voluntary castration? One type is men with extreme gender dysphoria; they desire to be not male, to be emasculated, but don't want to be female either. They have a male-to-eunuch gender dysphoria now part of the SOC8. There are others who have a feeling that their genitals are not a part of their—proper part of their body—body integrity dysphoria. This is in the SOC8. It's also an ICD-11; it's classification 6C21. So it's there in the ICD as well as the Standards of Care. Or they have an extreme fetish or paraphilic disorder, of which there's a wide variety, and they're not in the SOC8. That's something separate, most of that is religious based.
He says many are seeking personality changes through castration. I thought they would already have a "eunuch brain"..?
Many of them out there are seeking what they term “eunuch calm.” And we see this in many of their online posts, and questions that they have. It includes at least these two items: one is reduced libido—not necessarily eliminated, but significantly reduced; and they significantly reduce reactive aggression. This is the road rage, the bar fights, the loss of control, losing one's temper easily. Proactive aggression is unchanged by loss of testosterone; reactive aggression is.
Oh weird, trauma is often involved, I am shocked. And a lot of them are very well-educated -- PhDs, I wonder?
We have found in looking at the population out there, that a great many of them are very well-educated. A lot of them have farm backgrounds, rural backgrounds, that they have witnessed or participated in animal castration, so they know what the procedure is. They have observed the changes that take place in the animals they’re working with. And they—actually a scary number of them have been threatened with castration by an adult in their life, most likely a parent.
Kiwifarms is more popular than Eunuchs.org. Where's OUR standards of care?!? :mad: :'(
And there's greater interest than most of us are aware of. There is a website where many of them congregate. This is a screen print from their opening page. At the time I took this, there were 2,613 people reading about eunuchs on this website, of whom only 11 were registered members and the rest were guests. [...] Average month, according to the internet provider, is between 100 and 200 thousand unique IP addresses read the site per month. So there's a lot of interest out there that is not being taken care of.
Second speaker: Michael Erwig, MD. He is an endocrinologist who worked with Dr Johnson.
He is excited to "make history":
I am by no means an expert in this field. I was involved in this chapter for the medical portion of it, because a lot of eunuchs do get castrated, so to talk about the hypogonadism and management of it, and the mitigation of it. I was actually introduced to this field by Tom when we collaborated on a paper in 2013, 2014. But it's a real honor to be part of this chapter because it really is making history. As Tom has mentioned, eunuchs and eunuch wannabes—this is probably one of the most marginalized and stigmatized communities in any culture anywhere across the world, and so it's really making history to have a eunuch chapter in the SOC8 to increase awareness of this population, so that we can provide the best of care to them.
He shares 2 stories of disturbed men who come to him seeking other types of help, and he suggests to them that they are eunuchs:
So I've only actually taken care of two eunuch or eunuch wannabe patients. And what I wanted to convey is that neither of these individuals came to me saying, I'm here because I'm a eunuch or a eunuch wannabe, this is what I want. I deduced it just because it was on my radar. So my first patient was back when I was in Washington, D.C.--actually both of them were. My first patient was a 19-year-old who was struggling in school; his family sent him out of the country; he came back into the country; he was kind of living in their basement, playing video games; wasn't working; getting on the internet; may have been on the autism Asperger's spectrum, but it wasn't for formally evaluated for that; very smart. And he basically told his psychiatrist, I'm going on the internet, and I want to buy estrogen, and I want to get finasteride, and I want to get progesterone. And the psychiatrist said, timeout, I want you to see the endocrinologist; don't go buying all these hormones off of the internet. And when I chatted with him, it was very clear that he was not a transgender woman; you know, he did not want feminization, he did not want breasts. He basically wanted to be pre-pubertal; he wanted a low testosterone level. And that's why he wanted to take progesterone and estrogen; it was more to lower his testosterone levels. So I kind of deduced that he, kind of, fell into this population.
In the second story I have no reason why I should believe this is someone with the gender identity eunuch and not someone ashamed of being caught self-harming:
this particular individual was a gay man, who injected his testicles—he iatrogenically damaged one of his testicles to get them removed. So he feigned an illness; he went to the urologist. The urologist did an ultrasound and said, oh my God, I've never seen a testicle looking like that, and I don't know what this could be. Maybe this is a cancer. Let me take it out. Let me just protect everybody here because I've never seen this. This looks suspicious. And the patient said, by the way, can you please take out the other testicle, too, while you're down there. So he actually became male hypogonadal, and he was on a full dose testosterone when he came to see me, because he obviously had no sex steroid productions. And he came to see me to get on estrogen because he wanted to see if it would help him with his depression and his mood; he just wasn't feeling good on testosterone, and that was more—and then I realized that, you know, he was a eunuch, too. Now, he didn't come out and mention any of this stuff to me. He definitely told me that he was on the testosterone, because he had his testicles removed, but he didn't mention any of the other things. I only discovered this because I obtained his outside medical records, where I had pieced this together. And I did have a frank discussion with him. I said, oh by the way, I got your old records, and I saw that there was an abnormality seen on the ultrasound, which is what led to you having the castration. And he was so ashamed. He was just like, you know, I really just don't want to talk about it. So you can even see the level of stigma and embarrassment and being ashamed is just so high here.
He is excited to make new eunuchs, basically marketing this to surgeons.
I'm hoping that having the chapter in the Standards of Care will open the possibilities; surgeons will see this and say, yep, this is something that I ought to be willing to consider.
I looked further into this creep to figure out why an anthropology professor is advising about mental health treatments. After writing a couple anthropological studies of children's literature before 2000, he reemerged in 2007 and began publishing papers about eunuchs. I get the sense that our good doctor could be more aptly named “Thomas W/o Johnson”.

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He presents Male-to-Eunuch as a "valid transgender identity" different from MTF in July 2007.
The supposed factors causing this "gender":
We identified four factors that may promote castration ideations: (i) abuse sustained during childhood, including parental threats of castration; (ii) homosexuality; (iii) exposure to animal castration during youth; and (iv) religious condemnation of sexuality.















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"A Passion for Castration" - Aug 2007
Results: The greatest reasons for those actively seeking castration were: reduction of libido (39%), sexual fantasy (36%), aesthetics (36%), 26% could not explain why, and MTF transition (20%).
Their conclusion: Physicians need to be aware of males who have strong desires for emasculation without a traditional MtF transsexual identity.









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He wrote a draft Standards of Care for "Male-to-Eunuch Gender Identity Disorder" in 2010. This is paywalled and only an abstract is available. Of course, it's conducted through a survey on his favorite website for fetish fiction. The urgent need for "gender affirming" castration of eunuchs is because about 150 total men report they went to an underground surgeon or performed the castration themselves.
An online survey posted at www.eunuch.org provided data on more than 300 individuals who have had voluntary genital ablations (as well as approximately 1,300 self-identified "eunuch wannabes"). More than half of the men who had surgery either did it themselves or resorted to medically unqualified underground "cutters." This article offers a draft MtE SOC that outlines the criteria that we believe should be satisfied prior to surgical treatment.








IMG_2448.jpg"Religiosity, Childhood Abuse, and Other Risk Factors Correlated With Voluntary Genital Ablation" 2013 -- His research finds over and over again that the population seeking castration is full of those with trauma and abuse histories, including sexual abuse, their parents threatening to castrate them, as well as their parents being very religious, and them being homosexual or bisexual.

















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"Castration and Personality" 2013 -- While in his WPATH presentation he reports that those seeking castration hope to achieve a personality change, and that castration will achieve this, his own research found no evidence for this claim.
Based on the historical social positions of androgen-deprived males and contemporary research on testosterone, we predicted that modern day androgen-deprived males (n = 122) would differ on several axes of the Big Five factor personality inventory compared to eugonadal controls (n = 1229). Though not statistically significant, an increase in agreeability for the androgen-deprived group was observed. The role of estrogen on the personality of castrated males was also explored through androgen-deprived participants taking supplemental estrogen (n = 33). Estrogen was found to correlate with significantly higher agreeability scores.



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"The hidden world of self-castration and testicular self-injury" 2014 -- This is a paper he worked on with Michael Irweg, the urologist who also is involved with the SOC, it's about the 2nd patient he references.










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2014 study about the people performing underground surgeries again illustrates the high rates of abuse and childhood issues. No mention of gender dysphoria type symptoms.
Results. Distinguishing characteristics of cutters [who perform amateur castrations] included: (i) presenting themselves as very masculine, (i) having had their longest sexual relationship with a man, (iii) growing up on a farm, (iv) witnessing animal castrations, (v) having a history of sexually inappropriate behavior, (vi) having been threatened with genital mutilation as a child, (vii) having a history of self-harm, (viii) being raised in a devoutly Christian household, (ix) having had an underground castration themselves




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2015 -- He just loves to write about his favorite website. He's finally done enough groundwork that now he can pass off reading fetish stories about minors as research!
Common themes in both stories and personal histories of voluntarily castrated men were homosexuality, childhood abuse, and threats of castration. We found that 83% of stories were explicitly sexual, which was defined as containing physical or mental sexual arousal; sexual acts such as masturbation, oral sex, or penetrative sex; or attainment of orgasm. Fifty-one percent of stories described forced castrations, 34% involved minors, and 24% described orgasms related to genital ablation.



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And another one! He argues that his favorite castration erotica site is valuable in order to understand gender identity.














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2019 -- Now he analyzes eunuch fetish stories "in the context of well-established models for human sexual response".


















IMG_2461.jpgIMG_2460.jpgHere is a bizarre article published in 2021 where he is providing consultation to a father whose child was castrated for a medical issue. They encourage the father to seek advise from an endocrinologist, then they contradict the endocrinologist: "In contrast, the literature suggests that puberty can be safely delayed at least until the boy is the age of majority."











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In 2022 he published yet another paper about Eunuch Archive stories. This one again highlights the prevalence of minors in these fetish stories:
The most popular EA stories link sexual gratification and romantic partnership with genital abuse. They are characterized by the absence of consent for genital ablations and multiple SM-related paraphilias. Many stories feature attraction to, and ablation of, the genitals of pubescent or adolescent males.
... This is the article published right before the SOC comes out adding eunuchs. LOL!



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The article he published directly after SOC 8 also concludes that attraction to castrated men is most associated with childhood trauma, body image, and being attracted to being castrated themselves.












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His most recent article reports "Most (46.3%) wished to achieve an idealized self motivated by gender dysphoria, body integrity dysphoria, or wanting to be conspicuously non-sexual." In the study, they make 0 distinction between "gender dysphoria" and wanting to be non-sexual. It's completely unclear how many respondents referred to gender identity, in fact when you look at the responses featured in the article for the 1 question which relates to this conclusion, you would predict that likely a minority of the open-ended responses would be coded as experiencing gender dysphoria.
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He often publishes with another eunuch-obsessed publisher, Richard Wassersug.
After researching all of this I finally went too look at what the authors actually recommend in the Standards of Care (eunuchs are on pdf page 90). They recommended that self-identified eunuchs receive "gender-affirming medical care" and refer to them as "gender-diverse." The Standards of Care for eunuchs does not mention the high rates of childhood sexual abuse, body image issues, history of being threatened by parents with castration, and homosexuality in this population, despite the fact their own research shows this. It does not mention that this is also a sexual fetish for many of the people seeking castration, despite fetish fantasy being the most common self-report reason that men go to the Eunuch website referenced in the Standards, as their research shows. It offers no guidance for distinguishing between a "gender dysphoric" eunuch, fetishist, or those with significant trauma, despite the fact that these are clearly distinguished in the committee's own research.

Congrats to Dr Johnson on getting to advertise his fetish site in so many medical papers. That seems to be the biggest takeaway from this, plus fetishes being normalized as a protected identity and sterilization being marketed as treatment for trauma/identity concerns.
i hope this is seen as on topic even though not a surgeon
 
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