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Got back a few hours ago from watching the new Puss in Boots film and holy shit, if you haven’t already seen it, go see it.

I had an absolute blast the whole time and its definitely earned its spot as one of my favorite animated films. It gets pretty dark and honestly has one of the best animated villains I’ve seen in a long time, aka the wolf.

Not gonna spoil anything but he was easily the best part of the movie for me. He was legitimately fucking scary and the movie does a great job of making you feel the absolute fear and dread Puss feels whenever he shows up on screen.
 
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A Grey Cat said:
this year marks the man's 85th birthday. and 8 years since he happily retired from the industry after last days of coney island. him and Don Bluth (who hasn't quit yet and has no plans on doing so until he either dies or that dragon's lair movie is finished) are literally the last living legends of a lost and forgotten era of animation. american pop, coonskin, fritz the cat, fire and ice, the definitive lord of the rings until jackson came along, all those....in so little time. im glad the man's lived a full life and has so much to show for it...and yet,,,,
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Screw that, Bakshi's is still probably the better film version. Jacksons films are to Tolkien what Mitsuteru Yokoyama's Three Kingdoms anime was to its source material.
 
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Jeff_the_Thriller said:
I'm seeing a lot of post about Velma, not just here but across the forum at large. I'm just wondering, who the fuck is this for and how did it get greenlit? I'm not saying you can't have an edgy adult oriented kid's show spinoff but it's not funny. I'm assuming that best and funniest parts are in the trailer but I didn't get a single chuckle. So kids can't watch it because it's for adult and adults won't watch it because it's not entertaining. So back to my original question, who the fuck is the target demographic for this shit?
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I can guess as to how and why it was made:
  1. Nostalgia / good faith (& Not for just for the IP) - Obviously attaching Scooby Doo gets some nostalgia, but hardly any given the prevalence. In reality the show is banking on Xers and Millennials watching it because of Mindy. Mindy was a writer for normie-shit, The Office, a show even Zoomers have latched onto. By getting her they can get that clearly desperate audience (look at how every sitcom is a mock-umentary in the vein of The Office nowadays) to watch. The humor is Family Guy tier, which again, normie shit.
  2. Left-wing points (old left wing) - For anyone perplexed by the response that it is a right-wing show, the audience isn’t exactly hypocritical. The Overton window has shifted hard the past decade to where lefty-shit Family Guy is now right-wing to the younger part of the cult. This show was designed for 2000s era Dems by vapid celebs of the time. Them pulling the classic, “dead women in the freezer,” with the dead, naked cheerleader in the first episode clearly shows they don’t understand how far left things have gotten. The sad part is, that audience of Xers and millennials stopped watching cartoons about a decade ago and more or less resent Family Guy and The Simpsons for going on too long.
  3. IP shit - I think Faust said that today’s animation is the 80s again. No studio will green light anything animated unless a big IP is involved thanks to nu-animators constant fuck ups screwing the industry into poverty. This shot was likely an original IP that needed the Doo to be made.

TL;DR: They are going after a normie audience from the 2000s that no longer cares about toons, using an IP because they are too financially unstable to take risks. They are now getting fucked for not reading the room.
 
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.Basic Blonde Boy said:
IP shit - I think Faust said that today’s animation is the 80s again. No studio will green light anything animated unless a big IP is involved thanks to nu-animators constant fuck ups screwing the industry into poverty.
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Now why would Lauren Faust ever say that? Could it be because she also had an original concept for an IP.....
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that had to be retooled into something else with a big IP behind it?
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The world may never know......
 
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SteelPlatedHeart said:
Man, literally nobody likes this show.
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The "Alpha Jay Show" video was good. Instead of only telling us how bad it is like the rest, he presented a way it could be better towards the end of the video. That's the best thing any critic can do to justify their spergouts opinions. The optimism is nice but forget it Alpha Jay, it's Stupidtown.

Man alive, we just got to the middle on January and mainstream animation's boat is getting rocked. Independent animation, your time is now.
 
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Yamma Damma said:
The "Alpha Jay Show" video was good. Instead of only telling us how bad it is like the rest, he presented a way it could be better towards the end of the video. That's the best thing any critic can do to justify their spergouts opinions. The optimism is nice but forget it Alpha Jay, it's Stupidtown.

Man alive, we just got to the middle on January and mainstream animation's boat is getting rocked. Independent animation, your time is now.
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I watched a YouTube review of something recently, and the person started going into a theory about how it could have worked/been better, and started going really in-depth before stopping and going “wait, why am I writing fanfiction for a thing I hate?”

Can’t remember what the video was or who it was about, but I thought the realization was pretty funny.
 
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Who could've predicted that the show was gonna be dogshit?

I'm a bit shocked thought that it seems like both woke reviewers AND audiences are in agreement that the show is bad. Usually there's always at least one or the other saying its "good".
 
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SteelPlatedHeart said:
I watched a YouTube review of something recently, and the person started going into a theory about how it could have worked/been better, and started going really in-depth before stopping and going “wait, why am I writing fanfiction for a thing I hate?”

Can’t remember what the video was or who it was about, but I thought the realization was pretty funny.
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That probably was Tehsnakerer's Saints Row review. I know he did exactly that at one point regarding the game's plot. Hard to say whether Velma or Saints Row had worse writing to be honest.
 
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Vyse Inglebard said:
Now why would Lauren Faust ever say that? Could it be because she also had an original concept for an IP.....
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that had to be retooled into something else with a big IP behind it?
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The world may never know......
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I'm most perplexed by Faust stating that in the 1980s shows would only get greenlit if they had a big IP behind them.

Like what the fuck? He-Man was not a big IP before it got a cartoon. Thundercats was not a big IP before it got a cartoon. MOST 1980s cartoons were brand new IPs not based on a pre-existing franchises (And before you say "toy commercial" a lot of cases the toyline was itself was a new IP).'

This is the kind of revisionist history I recently made a thread about.
 
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.Basic Blonde Boy said:
I can guess as to how and why it was made:
  1. Nostalgia / good faith (& Not for just for the IP) - Obviously attaching Scooby Doo gets some nostalgia, but hardly any given the prevalence. In reality the show is banking on Xers and Millennials watching it because of Mindy. Mindy was a writer for normie-shit, The Office, a show even Zoomers have latched onto. By getting her they can get that clearly desperate audience (look at how every sitcom is a mock-umentary in the vein of The Office nowadays) to watch. The humor is Family Guy tier, which again, normie shit.
  2. Left-wing points (old left wing) - For anyone perplexed by the response that it is a right-wing show, the audience isn’t exactly hypocritical. The Overton window has shifted hard the past decade to where lefty-shit Family Guy is now right-wing to the younger part of the cult. This show was designed for 2000s era Dems by vapid celebs of the time. Them pulling the classic, “dead women in the freezer,” with the dead, naked cheerleader in the first episode clearly shows they don’t understand how far left things have gotten. The sad part is, that audience of Xers and millennials stopped watching cartoons about a decade ago and more or less resent Family Guy and The Simpsons for going on too long.
  3. IP shit - I think Faust said that today’s animation is the 80s again. No studio will green light anything animated unless a big IP is involved thanks to nu-animators constant fuck ups screwing the industry into poverty. This shot was likely an original IP that needed the Doo to be made.

TL;DR: They are going after a normie audience from the 2000s that no longer cares about toons, using an IP because they are too financially unstable to take risks. They are now getting fucked for not reading the room.
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The audience for Velma is already catered for with Family Guy, Rick & Morty etc. anyway. It was a non-starter from minute one.
 
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Back me up! said:
What I love about the Venture Bro's real brilliance of this parody is that the gang are also parodies of killers from the 60/70s, like Son of Sam, Ted Bundy, etc instead of just "Adult" Scooby-Doo.
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I saw this thread the other day on that episode. "Adult Scooby-Doo" or "Adult Johnny Quest" is such a given foundation for The Venture Bros. that they aren't ever interested in just pointing to the gag and calling it a day. They build more complex characters on that scaffolding, something Velma has no clue how to do. Even their throwaway characters are like four pop culture references thick.
 
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