Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[PS1gamenwatch]

Uh oh but no shit

A German news website claims that Russia is in talks with China to purchase 100 ZT-180 drones.

 

[draggs]

For me it was the pathetic Kherson retreat, which showed the absolute state of the Russian Army in 2022. there was lots of talk from the Pro-Russia side about how it would be a new Stalingrad and how they would defend it to the last man but they just ran away. This was right after "general Armageddon" took over command of the Russian army and they were saying he would turn it around (he definitely didn't and was fired shortly after), and after the Russian installed deputy governor of Kherson suggested they would stand and fight his car was blown up by the FSB with him inside. When the Ukrainians showed up there was huge pro ukraine crowds that showed up and celebrated the liberation as well.

Afterwards the Russian side got really quiet for a month or two and pretended like Kherson never happened, they weren't even allowed to mention it on tv.

General Armageddon was set up to be the fall guy by Shoigu's crew in the ministry of defense. His decisions were pretty much correct militarily. But politically they left him open to take the blame for the shambolic performance of the previous command. Shoigu and Gerasimov were taking a lot of heat, and they effectively got rid of the most prominent general who could have been a symbol for their critics to rally around

That's what happens in Russia, be good officer, get set up and buttfucked by the monkeys in the Kremlin

 

[Ghostse]

Sorry, but do you have a reasonable explanation for this? In general, we have seen immense use of commercial drones dropping grenades, primitive

So we have advanced and modern drones, supplied in great numbers, on paper better than most drones used in the war that has tons of footage of taking out the enemy. How is the Switchblade then performing so badly? I just cant see a a reasonable explanation for this

tl;dr The Switchblade is a loiter suicide drone not a nade dropper. Its also very expensive, in that the "killer app" feature is that you can fire-and-forget which requires vision and image processing, and I would expect that Ukraine operators were told "You only use these in fire-and-forget" because this is combat testing with no American troops being killed you have to answer to Congress for.
My assumption is there are a lot of near-misses, maybe some cases of thinking logs are MBTs, and/or vast underestimations of ERA effectiveness against especially the SB300

The SB300 is a nice explosion but, despite marketing material I doubt its goign to be killing anything mover a BMP. I has enough boom to mission/mobility kill a T-72 but its not programmed to go for the tracks or the turret joint, its trying to top-kill them.

The SB600 has big enough warhead to do some damage - on paper. Again, my assumption is they are discovering issues with target acquisition under real battlefield conditions.

Again, you don't want either operator video or war footage of attacks getting into Russian (or Chinese) hands. The more they learn about operations, the more they can counter act.

This was right after "general Armageddon" took over command of the Russian army and they were saying he would turn it around (he definitely didn't and was fired shortly after)

I'll say it again for the folks in the back:
Ol' Borscht and Gutski was Russia's most competent commander in this war. Everyone shits on him for retreating while ignoring that what he did was give up holding terrain that was a tactical liability, consolidating Russian positions, stopped their ammo dumps from being turned into daily 4th of July Spectaculars.
He oversaw an orderly retreat from Kherson that saw the regular army stationed there pulled back, intact, with their gear and weapons.

This is not a sign of tactical brilliance, its just bog standard competency, but this better force control and allotment than we saw the rest of the year. The issues Ukraine is having organizing a push on Melitopol, the issues they're having with Soledar, the inability to pressure Svatove, the fact we aren't seeing mobliks being sent into warzones completely unsupplied anymore, those are are likely direct results of force consolidation by Surovikin.
If he hadn't take over, imagine an entire winter where two divisions of the Russian army get double-teamed by General Winter and Yook artillery, with only a pontoon bridge for resupply.

What's funny though is in all those examples it tool YEARS for Logistical issues to come home to rooste in a major way. For modern Russia it took 48 hours because the incompetents didn't even consider that maybe they should insure two entire Army Groups had enough fuel to maneuver longer then a week.

Never forget the Kilometers long meme convoy.

Never forget that Russia had wargames with Belarus, basically an invasion dress rehersal where the Russian logistical failings in particular fuel were so bad they were noticed by NATO observers invited to watch.
A large portion of the assumption of Russian domination was based on "Well if they're going ahead with it, they've obviously fixed their supply problem".

 

[Pork Packer]

Just for fun, why dont we go back through that infamous pre-written WE HAVE CONQUERED UKRAINE IN DAYS! article russian state media accidentally published a couple days in to the invasion when the depths of russian inadequacy were first being realised

Наступление России и нового мира

Новый мир рождается на наших глазах. Военная операция России на Украине открыла новую эпоху — причем сразу в трех измерениях. И конечно, в четвертом,... РИА Новости, 26.02.2022

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The offensive of Russia and the new world

A new world is being born before our eyes. Russia's military operation in Ukraine has ushered in a new era - and in three dimensions at once. And of course, in the fourth, internal Russian. Here begins a new period both in ideology and in the very model of our socio-economic system - but this is worth talking about separately a little later.

First and only thing in this coom piece that is remotely correct.....just for uh....different reasons than intended

Russia is restoring its unity

Lol.

the tragedy of 1991, this terrible catastrophe in our history, its unnatural dislocation, has been overcome.

Fucking Lol.

Yes, at a great cost, yes, through the tragic events of a virtual civil war, because now brothers, separated by belonging to the Russian and Ukrainian armies, are still shooting at each other

And Ukraine is still shooting at you

...but there will be no more Ukraine as anti-Russia.

Yeah about that....

Russia is restoring its historical fullness, gathering the Russian world, the Russian people together - in its entirety of Great Russians, Belarusians and Little Russians.

It certainly is restoring its historical reputation of being a military failure and a global laughing stock which it held for a solid 90% of its history

If we had abandoned this, if we had allowed the temporary division to take hold for centuries, then we would not only betray the memory of our ancestors, but would also be cursed by our descendants for allowing the disintegration of the Russian land.

Pretty sure thats a given now

Vladimir Putin has assumed, without a drop of exaggeration, a historic responsibility by deciding not to leave the solution of the Ukrainian question to future generations. After all, the need to solve it would always remain the main problem for Russia - for two key reasons. And the issue of national security, that is, the creation of anti-Russia from Ukraine and an outpost for the West to put pressure on us, is only the second most important among them.

Yeah, putin sure prevented Ukraine from veering to the West for the next thousand fucking years.

The first would always be the complex of a divided people, the complex of national humiliation

Entirely deserved, inevitable, and irreversible at this point.

...when the Russian house first lost part of its foundation (Kiev), and then was forced to come to terms with the existence of two states, not one, but two peoples.

Boo fucking hoo, you dont see Britain kvetching about losing Canada or Australia.

That is, either to abandon their history, agreeing with the insane versions that "only Ukraine is the real Russia," or to gnash one's teeth helplessly, remembering the times when "we lost Ukraine."

Fuckin prophetic...

Returning Ukraine, that is, turning it back to Russia, would be more and more difficult with every decade - recoding, de-Russification of Russians and inciting Ukrainian Little Russians against Russians would gain momentum.

Yeah, yall really fucking stopped Ukraine from de-russifying itself

Now this problem is gone - Ukraine has returned to Russia.

LOL.

This does not mean that its statehood will be liquidated, but it will be reorganized, re-established and returned to its natural state of part of the Russian world. In what borders, in what form will the alliance with Russia be fixed (through the CSTO and the Eurasian Union or the Union State of Russia and Belarus )? This will be decided after the end is put in the history of Ukraine as anti-Russia. In any case, the period of the split of the Russian people is coming to an end.

And thus marks the start of 1 year of non stop fucking hopium and copium.

And here begins the second dimension of the coming new era - it concerns Russia's relations with the West. Not even Russia, but the Russian world, that is, three states, Russia, Belarus and Ukraine, acting in geopolitical terms as a single whole.

Uh....yeah about ukraine siding with you against the West

These relations have entered a new stage - the West sees the return of Russia to its historical borders in Europe . And he is loudly indignant at this, although in the depths of his soul he must admit to himself that it could not be otherwise.

Well historical as of the early 1920s when everyone was briefly able to GTFO russia before being mostly reconquered, but I doubt that second parts gonna happen any more

Did someone in the old European capitals, in Paris and Berlin , seriously believe that Moscow would give up Kiev?

Uh....yeah. And those niggers were right.

That the Russians will forever be a divided people?

Its less that russians are a divided people, more that there is a division between "people" and "russians"

And at the same time when Europe is uniting, when the German and French elites are trying to seize control of European integration from the Anglo-Saxons and assemble a united Europe? Forgetting that the unification of Europe became possible only thanks to the unification of Germany, which happened according to the good Russian (albeit not very smart) will.

Ah yes, the russian goodwill to collapse into a pile of HIV infected, krokadil chugging, economy defaulting sludge and allow its former territories to make a break for freedom without the threat of nuclear war happening.

To swipe after that also on Russian lands is not even the height of ingratitude, but of geopolitical stupidity. The West as a whole, and even more so Europe in particular, did not have the strength to keep Ukraine in its sphere of influence, and even more so to take Ukraine for itself. In order not to understand this, one had to be just geopolitical fools.

Oh baby I got some real fuckin bad news....

More precisely, there was only one option: to bet on the further collapse of Russia, that is, the Russian Federation. But the fact that it did not work should have been clear twenty years ago. And already fifteen years ago, after Putin's Munich speech, even the deaf could hear - Russia is returning.

....to the third world status it belongs.

Now the West is trying to punish Russia for the fact that it returned, for not justifying its plans to profit at its expense, for not allowing the expansion of the western space to the east. Seeking to punish us, the West thinks that relations with it are of vital importance to us. But this has not been the case for a long time - the world has changed, and this is well understood not only by Europeans, but also by the Anglo-Saxons who rule the West. No amount of Western pressure on Russia will lead to anything. There will be losses from the sublimation of confrontation on both sides, but Russia is ready for them morally and geopolitically. But for the West itself, an increase in the degree of confrontation incurs huge costs - and the main ones are not at all economic.

Losing all foreign assets, pissing away currency reserves to keep economy afloat, your lifelines being selling vital resources to disinterested chinks and pajeets for a fraction of their actual price en masse...yeah im sure russia's economic future is sound.

Europe, as part of the West, wanted autonomy - the German project of European integration does not make strategic sense while maintaining the Anglo-Saxon ideological, military and geopolitical control over the Old World. Yes, and it cannot be successful, because the Anglo-Saxons need a controlled Europe. But Europe needs autonomy for another reason as well — in case the States go into self-isolation (as a result of growing internal conflicts and contradictions) or focus on the Pacific region, where the geopolitical center of gravity is moving.

Ah yes, and making Europe a thousand times more committed to NATO and more dependent on the US for defence and energy really helped along with this

But the confrontation with Russia, into which the Anglo-Saxons are dragging Europe, deprives the Europeans of even the chance of independence - not to mention the fact that in the same way Europe is trying to impose a break with China . If now the Atlanticists are happy that the "Russian threat" will unite the Western bloc, then in Berlin and Paris they cannot fail to understand that, having lost hope for autonomy, the European project will simply collapse in the medium term.

Again, real neighborly of you to make any chance of the EU sphere splitting from burger/bong/canuck/bogan/kiwi lands effectively nil for the forseeable future

That is why independent-minded Europeans are now completely uninterested in building a new iron curtain on their eastern borders - realizing that it will turn into a corral for Europe. Whose century (more precisely, half a millennium) of global leadership is over in any case - but various options for its future are still possible.

Funny how like a half dozen of these individual european countries had bigger economies than russia even before its retard invasion, and none of them have opted out of screwing russia over like it deserves

Because the construction of a new world order - and this is the third dimension of current events - is accelerating, and its contours are more and more clearly visible through the spreading cover of Anglo-Saxon globalization.

If the westoid globohomo new world order illuminati was ever a thing they would be still dancing and whacking off in glee at the fact russia ensured their total victory long term, medium term, and likely short term too.

A multipolar world has finally become a reality

Yeah.....no.

....the operation in Ukraine is not capable of rallying anyone but the West against Russia. Because the rest of the world sees and understands perfectly well - this is a conflict between Russia and the West, this is a response to the geopolitical expansion of the Atlanticists, this is Russia's return of its historical space and its place in the world. China and India , Latin America and Africa , the Islamic world and Southeast Asia - no one believes that the West leads the world order, much less sets the rules of the game.

Lets check the latest impromptu UN polling on the matter....

So we have a half dozen miniscule third world authoritarian hellzones openly backing russia up (with words), a few dozen disinterested african and central asian states not going either way, china and india doing the bare fucking minimum needed to keep draining russia's resources for black friday prices and uh...well thats bout it after a year now.

Russia has not only challenged the West, it has shown that the era of Western global domination can be considered completely and finally over.

...as now thanks to russia we have now entered the second era of Western global domination

The new world will be built by all civilizations and centers of power, naturally, together with the West (united or not) - but not on its terms and not according to its rules.

Considering how russia has been demonstrably proven to not be anything resembling a "center of power", or indeed a civilisation unless you consider an antarctica sized trailer park to be its own civilisation, this is not entirely inaccurate, though the only non western center of power worth mentioning is chiyna who has its own clowncar of existential fuckups its trying to keep closed

TLDR russian delusions of grandeur that looks fucking hilarious in hindsight

 

[draggs]

lol even Hungary was a co sponsor

How embarrassing

 

[Elämällä on väliä]

lol even Hungary was a co sponsor

Everyone is distancing from ruzzia. Ok, some Eritreas aren't, but they may be slow in mind.

Perhaps now phase of himarsing logistics has to due something with that...

 

[Ghostse]

Everyone is distancing from ruzzia. Ok, some Eritreas aren't, but they may be slow in mind.

Perhaps now phase of himarsing logistics has to due something with that...

Eritrea is a part of Ethopia in an African civil war. Its been war crimes for everyone. As a break away province of Ethiopia and Russia is pretty much the only country willing to provide them with weapons. They have no choice.

What I want to know is what the fuck is up with Nicaragua.

 

[Astro Galactic Megalul]

Don't forget the time Russia claimed to have shot down more TB-2s than Ukraine had ever possessed, including both originals and those delivered mid war. Then got caught shopping around the wreckage of the same drone and posing it for new photoshoots as a new shootdown. Then months later when they finally did actually shoot down another one and display it's wreckage, the dates and codes on the wreckage prove it was one of the pre-war originals Ukraine had.

But muh Ghost of Kyiv tho, and... Ghost of Kyiv

For me it was the pathetic Kherson retreat, which showed the absolute state of the Russian Army in 2022. there was lots of talk from the Pro-Russia side about how it would be a new Stalingrad and how they would defend it to the last man but they just ran away. This was right after "general Armageddon" took over command of the Russian army and they were saying he would turn it around (he definitely didn't and was fired shortly after), and after the Russian installed deputy governor of Kherson suggested they would stand and fight his car was blown up by the FSB with him inside. When the Ukrainians showed up there was huge pro ukraine crowds that showed up and celebrated the liberation as well.

Afterwards the Russian side got really quiet for a month or two and pretended like Kherson never happened, they weren't even allowed to mention it on tv.

I wouldn't even fault them for retreat, really, saved a lot of lives on both sides (for the time being, anyway). It's one of the few sensible things Russian command did in this war, which is why he was fired. "Heroic" scenario where people die every day fighting for the city for months would be more beneficial for propaganda and Putin's ego perhaps, but fuck that.

 

[Elämällä on väliä]

Eritrea is a part of Ethopia in an African civil war.

Was a breakout state, but around 1992 Ethiopia reconized them.

Now they are arguing about some minor border issues. But even Ethiopia didn't seek to reannex Eritrea (mostly because Eritrea compared to Ethiopia is shithole, and Ethiopia compared to Eritrea is a FLAC country).

 

[Lathe]

Doesn’t matter who wins, nuclear war will make sure everyone loses.

 

[Elämällä on väliä]

What I want to know is what the fuck is up with Nicaragua.

Sandists took control some time ago and are trollin around.

Why USCA fallen, oh god it will be a better world for everyone if that shit never fallen.

Doesn’t matter who wins, nuclear war will make sure everyone loses.

> suggesting that it will a nuclear war
> also that nuclear war means Fallout 2 scenery
> didn't know about more than 2000 nuke detonations since 1945, and we are still alive

 

[Elämällä on väliä]

What a circle jerk thread, I will enjoy when Putin makes you drink your own cum.

Go and visit ruzzkie cope thread, now they probably inventing a war between Nicaragua and New Zealand or something.

 

[Foltest]

What a circle jerk thread, I will enjoy when Putin makes you drink your own cum.

Go to the russian cope thread instead.
You will fit right in with the other losers.

 

[Elämällä on väliä]

https://twitter.com/PStyle0ne1/status/1629419136471236608

Saddly a unsuccesfull bombing of traitors in Donetsk City.

But... where is ruzzian AA or EW to prevent drone flights into Donetsk?

 

[MS Paint Gigachad]

What a circle jerk thread, I will enjoy when Putin makes you drink your own cum.

We already are enjoying it when you make yourself drink Putin's cum.

 

[CuzinEd]

Doesn’t matter who wins, nuclear war will make sure everyone loses.

There won't be any use of nuclear weapons. Not in Ukraine Russia or America.

What a circle jerk thread, I will enjoy when Putin makes you drink your own cum.

Uh oh. Looks like we got a butthurt vatnigger fucktard here. It's not our fault your military sucks ass through a straw. LOL

Go take it up with Putin and his other cronies. He is the one that blew the Russian defense budget on plastic surgery to make himself look like a fucking weirdo.

 

[AncientPhosphur]

What are you delusional people talking about? It’s been a year of total NATO tyranny defeat! The Russian withdrawal is just a rise a trick if you will. Bakhmut is the ultimate trick! Russia just wanted to pretend to take it for 8 months. Hahaha you’ll never realized how badly you’ve been tricked NATO! You lose, Russia wins! Even if Russia doesn’t take it Russia will still win because that means they never wanted it! Tricked again NATO, another Russian win!

 

[Snekposter]

What's funny though is in all those examples it tool YEARS for Logistical issues to come home to rooste in a major way. For modern Russia it took 48 hours because the incompetents didn't even consider that maybe they should insure two entire Army Groups had enough fuel to maneuver longer then a week.

Never forget the Kilometers long meme convoy.

No, the South started running into issues almost immediately. Leaving aside the mutual clown show that was the First Battle of Bull Run, the South was an administrative clusterfuck of competing interests from day 1 (much like Russia), and contrary to popular image, heavily dependent upon conscription barely a year into the war, unlike the North where roughly 8% of its total soldiers were conscripts (2%) or substitutes for conscription (6%).

What are you delusional people talking about? It’s been a year of total NATO tyranny defeat! The Russian withdrawal is just a rise a trick if you will. Bakhmut is the ultimate trick! Russia just wanted to pretend to take it for 8 months. Hahaha you’ll never realized how badly you’ve been tricked NATO! You lose, Russia wins! Even if Russia doesn’t take it Russia will still win because that means they never wanted it! Tricked again NATO, another Russian win!

Sounds like a trick the Alpha Legion might pull...

 

[Astro Galactic Megalul]

I just saw on TV Russian state media carrying water for Harvey Weinstein for some reason, and I don't know what to make of it LMAO

 

[AgendaPoster]

@Spud Stacker Can't quote that large "old idiocy" from the start of the war post, but it's quite funny.
The site was a /pol/ clone, everyone celebrated as if something exciting and cool was going on, not a war inside Europe. Amazing stuff. So many of those posters also disappeared.
You literally cannot convince me by now that Russia has not run one of the most successful gayops on the Western mind, likely the most successful in the entire history of the planet. Never in the history of war were so many idiots shilling for a foreign empire that never did a thing for them and is actively working towards destroying their countries. An empire that wastes no time hating on the "collective Zapad" 24/7. They even hate their allies, like Trump and his MAGApedes or the alt right, lmao.