Was the King right that the Templars really were worshipping Baphomet?

Yes, nowadays they're part of the free masons as well.

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The Catholic Church and various royal factions were always accusing each other of shit in a constant, neverending autistic struggle for power. Seriously in a time when parts of Europe could be held by a Lord of a Land whose influence was like twenty kilometers it could get stupidly messy and dumb.
 
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Maybe. For example: It's been said that in Jesus' time there was a secret and ancient sect (rabbinical Judaism) behind the era's "normie" Judaism. This may have been what Jesus spoke of when he says "I know of your secret teachings" to the Jewish leaders towards the end of the Gospel, around the part where He's killed by those leaders for threatening their power. The theory also says that Modern Judaism is descended from this rabbinical Judaism, which usurped normie Judaism (lol) between 200-300 AD.

It's not hard to believe powerful groups within powerful groups exist and act apart for own goals. Look at all this weird sex and symbol stuff in the Catholic church and government (Pizzagate as OP said).
 
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The Empirical Bogey said:
Maybe. For example: It's been said that in Jesus' time there was a secret and ancient sect (rabbinical Judaism) behind the era's "normie" Judaism. This may have been what Jesus spoke of when he says "I know of your secret teachings" to the Jewish leaders towards the end of the Gospel, around the part where He's killed by those leaders for threatening their power. The theory also says that Modern Judaism is descended from this rabbinical Judaism, which usurped normie Judaism (lol) between 200-300 AD.

It's not hard to believe powerful groups within powerful groups exist and act apart for own goals. Look at all this weird sex and symbol stuff in the Catholic church and government (Pizzagate as OP said).
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I don't remember Jesus saying that in any of the Gospels.
 
Elder Beak Thing said:
I don't remember Jesus saying that in any of the Gospels.
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I can't give you the verse number as my source didn't give a verse number. I was repeating the theory as a cool theory, not as fact, so it could be made-up. There are also many translations and interpretations of the Bible of course.
 
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The Empirical Bogey said:
I can't give you the verse number as my source didn't give a verse number. I was repeating the theory as a cool theory, not as fact, so it could be made-up.
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This stuff is interesting to me too, really there's a lot of odd stuff going back into the Middle Ages. For example, a lot of people don't know Hellenic paganism survived for a long time after Christianity became dominant. As late as the 9th century in Arcadia.
 
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It doesn't matter. Catholicism itself is a heresy and everyone we're discussing here are likely burning for eternity in a lake of fire. Were the Templars heretics of a heresy? Maybe, but that's like, tertiary as to the political and financial reasons they were exterminated.

Your question is similar to asking "Was Joan of Arc really a witch/saint???" If you're French, obviously she was a saint sent by God to repel the heretical English, and she was executed by the English on bullshit charges. If you're English, obviously she was an agent of Satan and the heretical French pope canonized her as a saint to both show his allegiance to Satan and spit in the face of God.
 
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I think European royals and nobility just didn't want to pay the debts they owed the Templars.
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This is honestly the most likely reason behind the whole ordeal. King Phillip IV was a deadbeat who didn't want to pay back all the money he borrowed from the Templars.
 
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Ok. So the story starts with King Philip IV of France. He tries to strongarm the French Church into giving him money and when the Pope gets in the way, Phillip has him arrested in Italy. Phillip charges that pope (Boniface VIII) with all the same charges he later brought against the Templars. Essentially being gay and worshipping devils. The pope escapes the French but dies a few days later.
Phillip then forces a French Cardinal in as Pope (Clement V) and moves the Papacy from Rome to France. The French King then has just about absolute control over the church (in 1305). A year later (1306), he decides he needs money again and strongarms the French Jews into giving it to him. A year after that (1307) he needs yet more money and non-ironically the Templars hold alot of his debt.
So Phillip orders the French government to arrest all the templars. He doesn't even bother telling the pope until after its done. The guy who organizes the charges against the templars (Guillaume de Nogaret) is the same guy who put together a set of very similar charges against Pope Boniface VIII a few years before.;
At the end of his life, Philip decided that the women married to his three sons where whores. He had their supposed lovers skinned and imprisoned two of the women. Three of his sons became successively king of France and none of them lasted more than about six years in the job. None of them produced an heir to the throne. Phillip managed to bring about the extinction his own family & royal house as French Kings.

Some of the Templars were certainly guilty. But no more guilty that many others in the church at the time who were not arrested or punished. And its best to remember that the man who ordered their arrest (Phillip IV) was a monster.
 
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Could have came from a mispronunciation of Mahometan, which was what they called Muslim back in the day. Theory being that the templars were forced to convert to being Muslim during the crusades.

I mean I wouldn't be surprised if it was Baphomet too? But it seems reasonable enough considering pronunciations and such.
 
Strix454 said:
Phillip charges that pope (Boniface VIII) with all the same charges he later brought against the Templars. Essentially being gay and worshipping devils.
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Sounds like the Pope to me.

I never knew the Avignon Papacy and purge of the Templars were the same man (knew OF both events, but not like the full story like a narrative).

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Since when did Elvis have any opinions about the templars?
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He should, he's living down in Antarctica with them, Hitler, and John Lennon.
 
The Empirical Bogey said:
Maybe. For example: It's been said that in Jesus' time there was a secret and ancient sect (rabbinical Judaism) behind the era's "normie" Judaism. This may have been what Jesus spoke of when he says "I know of your secret teachings" to the Jewish leaders towards the end of the Gospel, around the part where He's killed by those leaders for threatening their power. The theory also says that Modern Judaism is descended from this rabbinical Judaism, which usurped normie Judaism (lol) between 200-300 AD.

It's not hard to believe powerful groups within powerful groups exist and act apart for own goals. Look at all this weird sex and symbol stuff in the Catholic church and government (Pizzagate as OP said).
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Pretty sure the secret sect is the Essenes and not the Rabbinicals.

IIRC there were 3 branches. Essene Judaism developed into Christianity, Rabbinical Judaism developed into modern Judaism, and normie Judaism fizzled out once the Second Temple vanished.
 
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No they want is someone said above which is correct Philip King of France owed them a fuckload of money
Comparing them to other night lures is incorrect they actually took valves of celibacy and we're more similar to Warrior monks.
Which honestly Catholic Warrior monks is pretty based
 
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