Community Munchausen's by Internet (Malingerers, Munchies, Spoonies, etc) - Feigning Illnesses for Attention

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This is the kicker. Because then they would get found out.

The way Avery writes I'm going to assume English isn't his first language, but maybe there's some learning disability in there, which might account for being essentially bullied by Drewy by the sounds of it.
That honestly wasn't why. Doctors tend to be really rude right off the bat and also they were really angry, and didn't want to be touched. They wanted to do some of the tests but couldn't let them do some of them. Insurance took forever to approve them and only when the ER requests them they get approved retroactively and then we get a bunch of back dated letters for the tests approval... And some of them were painful.

There were a few good reasons, but getting found out was not one of them. At the time that's what they thought it was and besides, even if they did get the proper diagnosis if they were lying they would continue anyway.

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I dont want to speak over you Avery are you still happy for me to summarise the stuff you told me last night?
@Flourishing Pinecone ❧ Avery has autism that affects his social communication and awareness which allowed Drewy to manipulate him and threaten him with accusations but he isn't learning disabled in that sense. He's very smart and capable especially in his specialised fields of technology.

My hunch is that Drewy's symptoms may have resolved or largely resolved by the time further testing was on the table but she had realised she was onto a good thing with this wheelchair model stuff and submitting to testing would ruin everything. But it's complicated. She's crazy and this could actually be FND/Conversion disorder or at least partly that.
I don't think drewy manipulated me any more then I did them but they did make lots of accusations that confused me over time. I don't think they were using me, we had a good relationship at the start. It's really complicated.
 
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I don't think drewy manipulated me any more then I did them but they did make lots of accusations that confused me over time. I don't think they were using me, we had a good relationship at the start. It's really complicated.
It sure is. When I get a moment I'm going to try and summarise for everybody just how complicated it is. Just a note on forum etiquette here, double posting is frowned upon. You can use the little edit thing at the bottom of your post to add more if you think of more.

OK I'm going to edit it Into this post. Avery jump on and correct me if any of this is way off.

The Drewy story in major points as told to me by Avery.

Drewy's mother was seriously abusive. Her father was not on the scene. The trips to Barbados and Disney were happening when Drewy was being shunted around relatives. This is the root of Drewy's mental problems.

Drewy is highly intelligent and manipulative.

Drewy jumped ship from her abusive mother at a very young age to live with Avery which has given her a lever with which to blackmail Avery, saying that she was underage. I suspect this if it were ever tested would be a "romeo and Juliet" case.

Drewy was fairly normal until this incident at the NASA Trip where something appeared to go neurologcially wrong. Drewy was combative with medics and would not stay still for MRI or other testing. Insurance caused delays to other testing in the immediate aftermath.
She had been to that hospital a few times over the past few years but not enough to be considered a frequent flier.
No diagnosis of stroke, paralysis due to nerve entrapment or anything like that was ever given formally. These were "maybes" mooted by different docs at different times and never confirmed by testing.
Drewy did have some muscle and reflex weakness which would be consistent with a nerve entrapment and the wheelchair at least was prescribed for her due to this.
A clot buster drug was given at hospital 2 as a precaution but the window had indeed been missed for diagnosing and treating ischaemic Stroke.

Along with apparent nerve issues Drewy also presented at this time with a baffling range of neurological symptoms including rage attacks, worsening deafness and screaming meltdowns and throwing things. Avery is unsure whether Drewy was always crazy and just hiding it up to that point. He says he doenst know what to believe truly and that she is capable of convincing anyone of anything. Avery thinks there may be something wrong with Drewy's brain.

I personally believe there is at least some element of FND or conversion disorder here.
Drewy does have EDS and a spine x Ray showed some unstable vertebrae which would explain symptoms like the transient Radiculopathy in her arm that she described as paralysis.

You can see from observing Drewy now that she doesnt seem to be suffering from a degenerative brain condition, things seem to be improving for her.

Drewy was and does associate with people Avery knows to be outright Munchies including a girl who would walk around her basement apartment on zoom, carry her wheelchair up the stairs and get into it to go out. He believes that although Drewy is a munchie, she doesn't intend to be and is or was delusional about having these medical conditions.

Drewy was psychotic, so broken from reality that Avery had to install cameras to prove to her that he wasn't removing items from her room, and even when shown on camera she would have trouble believing him.

Drewy eventually caused Avery to lose his job by sending police to his work with accusations of abuse.
Avery is concerned that she can make a lot of trouble for him as she is very clever and can run rings around him.

Drewy has admitted recently to a mutual friend that she knows she didn't have a stroke but she did believe at the time that she had had one.

Drewy had a brief episode of gastroparesis from medication but continued to beleive she had it after it had passed. This fits with my gut feeling that Drewy hangs onto diagnoses after the symptoms improve.

Avery thinks that Drewy is now realising that they were wrong about the medical stuff and is becoming more able to address it but they do not have direct contact.

Pearl the morkie was never a seizure dog that was a lie. She was being trained to recognise sounds as a hearing support dog and was really good at it and did respond to sign language. A couple of times she "alerted" to a pots or "seizure" attack but likely because drewy was acting strange. Drewy only ever had a few "seizures".
 
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If she only manipulated as much as you manipulated her then what did you do to her? Because it seems like she manipulated you a lot. So you can say she didn't bully you and only manipulated a fair amount but I don't buy it. The following highlights paint a picture:

- blackmail
- "she can convince anyone of anything"
- called the cops so much you got fired
- you're concerned she can cause a lot of "trouble" for you
- accused you of sexual abuse because you asked your partner if they wanted to be intimate

If it's dangerous for you to upset her then why come here and post? Maybe I'm interpreting things wrong but to me it kind of seems like you're defending her. Sure you concede some things that would be hard to deny but you seem so adamant that she's actually super paralyzed and honestly she's not a liar but just out of touch with reality. Even though she lied about the dog and other stuff. She also hangs out with munchies but she totally isn't purposefully munching. To me it looks like what PR people do when someone gets caught doing something bad. Like "we can't outright deny everything but maybe we can spin it to paint them in more sympathetic light". I don't know if it's fear or you still have feelings for her but I don't 100% believe everything you say. Parts of it are believable and make sense but it seems like it's filtered by some bias you have.
 
Ugh, I’ve come across a MBP mom organically in my town. She spent a year going to every doctor in a 500 mile radius because her one year old had the very trendy “chiari malformation” and finally found one three hours away willing to do brain surgery. Even though she’s on Medicaid she’s been grifting cash and I think she’s been on a meal train for two months.

Since the surgery it’s still a constant flow of drama. He had a “fall” and busted stitches. Now she’s driving back to the hospital three hours away because he has a fever of 103 and not turning his head. Everyone is reminded of her PayPal link and meal train sign up after the most recent health update.

I feel sick reading her posts but can’t think of anything to do. The amount of local mothers who she’s enlisted in to her medical soap opera is astounding.
 
A little off topic but there is a podcast I listen to that is about con artists, Pretend, that had an episodic release about someone and their family dealing with a stalker child type situation, Fatrick style, and its ended up with a Munch by Proxy twist to it. Its at this latest release 12 episodes long, but the 12th episode in particular was fairly interesting. The presenter interviewed quite a few people in regards to this case but he spoke with a detective and a few other people that gave an interesting look at how people view and deal with munchies that arent connected through the medical field. idk at least for me, sometimes I get stuck viewing these kinds of people just through a medical lens and forget some of the other facets of these kinds of issues.
I know its pretty lame to suggest a podcast lol but I found it to be interesting. Over the year or so the guy had been working on this, he embedded himself in the MBP community and has had people come to him that are victims of it, he played a message from a guy who had dealt with it for like two decades. It was honestly pretty moving. If anyone does give it a listen, its crazy how you can almost immediately pin the mom for MBP. The way she spoke to and about her adult children was frankly disgusting. One aspect of it went into how abusive the perpetrators are not just to using the kids as objects but the lengths they will go to to ruin medical professionals and the effects on reporting to cps. Ahh I really enjoyed lol no bully
The parents have been indicted for felony charges at the beginning of this year. They had been dealing with a 'stalker' that was targeting them and their children through instagram and even one event, made calls to a random pizza place talking about shooting it up if im remembering that one correctly. They had been blaming this one doctor and her husband in particular because the dr was calling bullshit about her kids being as ill as the mother was claiming. All of the data gathered by investigators and a hackerman the presenter spoke to were in agreement that all of the accounts and devices used in the harassnent were ones that were coming out of their house. So they are going to face court about them being responsible for the targeted harassment in June which thankfully means the doctor is finally free from this batshit crazy family.
Its absolutely insane the lengths this woman went to to destroy this persons life. How far her abuse went with her children and the types of treatments she forced on them. At least for right now, there isnt anything charged against them for the MBP but man, this woman sounded fucking insane the entire time. I was blown away and at a few times got a little angry just listening to her twist and dance around the obvious truths she was dodging
 
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If she only manipulated as much as you manipulated her then what did you do to her? Because it seems like she manipulated you a lot. So you can say she didn't bully you and only manipulated a fair amount but I don't buy it. The following highlights paint a picture:

- blackmail
- "she can convince anyone of anything"
- called the cops so much you got fired
- you're concerned she can cause a lot of "trouble" for you
- accused you of sexual abuse because you asked your partner if they wanted to be intimate

If it's dangerous for you to upset her then why come here and post? Maybe I'm interpreting things wrong but to me it kind of seems like you're defending her. Sure you concede some things that would be hard to deny but you seem so adamant that she's actually super paralyzed and honestly she's not a liar but just out of touch with reality. Even though she lied about the dog and other stuff. She also hangs out with munchies but she totally isn't purposefully munching. To me it looks like what PR people do when someone gets caught doing something bad. Like "we can't outright deny everything but maybe we can spin it to paint them in more sympathetic light". I don't know if it's fear or you still have feelings for her but I don't 100% believe everything you say. Parts of it are believable and make sense but it seems like it's filtered by some bias you have.

Abuse is a hell of a drug, and the behaviors exhibited by Drewy were and are pretty abusive. Having cops harass you at work to the point of being fired is pretty messed up. I get that you might want to believe in her and give her the benefit of the doubt, but I'd ask yourself if you're letting feelings cloud your judgment there. It's easy to miss red flags when you're looking at things from rose-colored glasses.

All that aside, I agree with what @A tree said and I'm glad you're doing better. If you want that divorce finalized, sit down with an attorney and explain the situation. Nobody can force you to stay married, even if they're being evasive. Even if you wish her well, severing all ties with her and focusing on your current life will probably continue to make you happier. Thanks for visiting and shedding some light on things, congrats on the pilot accomplishment!
 
Autie has gone public with her big DID reveal. I don't even want to give her the attention she craves to be honest. I just ..... I cant even think what this could possibly be a typo for so pending conformation that it is a typo, and she's posted it on two separate posts, this beats Sora's duck alter.
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Autie clarifies this alter is one that "earwigs" on the other ones. That's northern bong slang for eavesdropping for the yanks. That's right Auties alters aren't just co conscious they can eavesdrop on each other because that is How That Works.

Autie’s DID LARP isn't even entertaining. She has real time text chat and vocal conversations with her alters, and is able to identify on video every time an alter pops through and which one it is.

She’s badly larping something closer to OSDD-1b, where there is not amnesia between the activities of the alters, but even then it isn’t coconsciousness, between all or a great number of the alters, all the time. What psychiatrist or therapist is enabling this? She says she doesn’t want to integrate, but there’s no dissociation left. Might still be some memories hidden, but congrats, everyone does. Even healing from DID or a severe dissociative or trauma disorder doesn’t involve diving into every trauma and breaking every wall. This is what a patient would look like just before integration - but she’s not working towards integration, she doesn’t want it, she says.

She did all that healing pretty fast. Sure she doesn’t want to integrate, but how did she come this far on her own? This is god tier traumawork, why isn’t she making tik toks on how she reintegrated such a severe dissociative disorder with sugh a high number of parts? She’s posting bullshit chats that are just banter in her head. Her enabling therapist should write a paper on her magic case.

And why doesn’t she want to fully integrate? Sounds like she’s basically there. By this point that much parallel thought in her head (if something like Sara’s extreme was possible), simultaneous perspectives of yourself constantly overlapping like that, it would be extremely uncomfortable. I find it extremely telling that she did this much work but wants to stay like this.
 
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Autie’s DID LARP isn't even entertaining. She has real time text chat and vocal conversations with her alters, and is able to identify on video every time an alter pops through and which one it is.

She’s badly larping something closer to OSDD-1b, where there is not amnesia between the activities of the alters, but even then it isn’t coconsciousness, between all or a great number of the alters, all the time. What psychiatrist or therapist is enabling this? She says she doesn’t want to integrate, but there’s no dissociation left. Might still be some memories hidden, but congrats, everyone does. Even healing from DID or a severe dissociative or trauma disorder doesn’t involve diving into every trauma and breaking every wall. This is what a patient would look like just before integration - but she’s not working towards integration, she doesn’t want it, she says.

She did all that healing pretty fast. Sure she doesn’t want to integrate, but how did she come this far on her own? This is god tier traumawork, why isn’t she making tik toks on how she reintegrated such a severe dissociative disorder with sugh a high number of parts? She’s posting bullshit chats that are just banter in her head. Her enabling therapist should write a paper on her magic case.

And why doesn’t she want to fully integrate? Sounds like she’s basically there. By this point that much parallel thought in her head (if something like Sara’s extreme was possible), simultaneous perspectives of yourself constantly overlapping like that, it would be extremely uncomfortable. I find it extremely telling that she did this much work but wants to stay like this.
The time scale on this according to autie is pure bullshit. The time scale if you actually have been observing Autie and know that like, 6 weeks ago she was trying to go back to EDS dislocations, then rapid cycled through trying to have tourettes before settling on this and suddenly developed all these alters is just.....come the fuck on Sara who are you trying to kid with your amateur dramatics.
The therapists enabling this (if indeed they are) want struck off they're on the same level as the ones who did the false memory shit that kicked off the satanic panic.
 
She's a lying BPD attention whore.

DID is bullshit (in a form that's catnip to these oxygen thrives).

Of course no therapist or diagnosis was involved.

How is this even something that needs to be dissected?
This is why I didn't even want to post her whole bullshit coming out essay it's not even worth the screen space. The only thing that's interesting is that shes an established figure on the autism advocacy scene and is getting a ridiculous amount of support for this. For now. It's only a matter of time before someone innocently points out the inconsistencies and becomes the target of a classic autie cyberbullying campaign.

Most of the links in this are dead but there's a record of her past history of doing this here.

 
This is why I didn't even want to post her whole bullshit coming out essay it's not even worth the screen space. The only thing that's interesting is that shes an established figure on the autism advocacy scene and is getting a ridiculous amount of support for this.

She also scams large amounts of money through various donation sites (I think at some point someone here added some of it up).

Heres just her patron stats (at the highest point she was receiving $1,450 or so a month):

She launched a relaunch on gofundme (previously brought in a lot of cash to her) but it's not taken off this time:

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And writes very long and expensive Amazon wish lists:

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Keep in mind most of the people she's targeting and gaining money from are vulnerable people and struggling families. She's just a disgusting human being.

People were enquiring where she was recieving therapy. It appears to be a place named CTAD Clinic:

They aren't NHS but like many private clinics can take on NHS work if the NHS pays up (theres no way Sara would be able to access years of NHS therapy without an EXTENSIVE history of draining NHS money usually through inpatient services- which she hasn't had time to pack in whilst Women's Student Union officer at Lancaster, having a job as a photographer, having a child, making cringe videos and travelling the world on paid trips pretending to be autistic).

Here's the post about CTAD:
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Still blows my mind that we have people in threads on this site still saying "ooooohhhhh DID sounds kind of fake but I guess it could be real in some cases"

No

It's complete bullshit and attention seeking behavior.
At best, I give some of the teenagers a break because they seem to not realize having moods, engaging in "fantasy" daydreaming, and that role playing is just an extension of how our brains explore concepts. They will figure it out if they aren't so fixated on being special and unique that it hijacks reason.

When it's an adult, yeah, it's 100% personality disorder attention seeking.
 
I know i just agreed this doesnt really need examining but .... Autie shares her DID screener scores but not her actual Dx or the rest of the letter.
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Doubling the screener threshold by answering "yes" to all the obvious DID questions in the short screener is a known sign of malingering.
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You'll notice the rest of that abstract is pretty much on the nose too.


ETA a couple more nuggets of interesting information. DID is indistinguishable from Borderline and people with DID are found to be highly suggestible.
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I think Autie's antics absolutely warrant discussion, and it's just the supposed legitimacy of any and all DID diagnoses that doesn't really warrant it. We are a discussion forum and this is a munchie birthing a wonderful new arc. It definitely deserves mocking.

I think I asked a few pages back when she was adumbrating and hinting at all this... Bets on what hilarious alters we are going to start seeing? It's a shame the earwig wasn't literally an earwig but tbh it's even funnier than she's decided her alters can all share information and talk amongst themselves. One of these days she will bother to research her shit before trying to fake it.
 
My heart will always be crushed.
I, also am very disappoint. She better do something absofuckinglutely hilarious to make this up to us.

ETA she's shared more and already the inaccuracies are showing. She appears to have a diagnosis of DDNOS not DID.
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Which is odd, because that diagnosis isn't used any more, it's called OSDD.
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Being diagnosed with OSDD specifically means you do not meet the criteria for DID.
I'm sure the news that autie is lying will be a huge shock to everybody. Let's all have a lie down to process it. Now make with the funnies Sara.
 
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