Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Stab You in the Back]

AOTC looks like it's smeared in Vaseline. I'm offended by how ugly it looks. It's better than ROTS, though.

Still can't understand why Great Value Keira Knightley isn't able to get work. Is it the coke habit? Is she a bitch? There's so much crap being made these days that it has to be statistically impossible for a well-known actor under 30 in their early 30s to not get consistent work. (Holy shit she's 31!)

She's 38.

All movies that rely heavily on green screen/digital effects look like shit. AotC suffers more than most because its one of the first digital movies. (recent marvel films have no excuse for being as bad as they are)

 

[Creep3r]

Do I need to say more? Imagine if you worked your whole life trying to perfect a creative vision to a bunch of people that are never satisfied with anything that you do unless it's what they picture.

You know what I'm so glad George Lucas gotten rid of this parasitic fandom off of his conscience over to the most woke establishment that could afford it. Why would he want to go back being the butt of every joke when you have people claiming he raped their childhood even though he was the one that gave them one in the first place.

Yeah I know the song is a tongue in cheek parody but looked at the wrong context can really make anyone regret ever lowering themselves to their level.

Lol at the video description.

Its funny seeing so many of these fat hypocrites from yesteryear backtrack and go full Andrew Dobson by becoming virtue signalers once Disney Wars came around, pretending they weren't the biggest critics and spergs, as if claiming "we were only pretending to be retarded" somehow gives them the right to talk down and preach to anyone from their imaginary high ground.

Filoniwars had nothing like Captain Fordo’s rescue on hypori

 

[God of Nothing]

Lol at the video description.
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Its funny seeing so many of these fat hypocrites from yesteryear backtrack and go full Andrew Dobson by becoming virtue signalers once Disney Wars came around, pretending they weren't the biggest critics and spergs, as if claiming "we were only pretending to be retarded" somehow gives them the right to talk down and preach to anyone from their imaginary high ground.

i like how their sequel reviews were just complaining more about the prequels

 

[Mississippi Motorboater]

All movies that rely heavily on green screen/digital effects look like shit. AotC suffers more than most because its one of the first digital movies. (recent marvel films have no excuse for being as bad as they are)

The thing that helps movies like AOTC somewhat is that where they haven't aged well technically, they are salvaged somewhat by good art design. Sure, something like the Geonosis Arena leave a lot to be desired when it comes to digital compositing and properly-rendered character models, but for me at least, it's hard to care when you have monster designs as good as the Nexu or the Acklay, which look cool as fuck even in their dodgy, fuzzy composited early 2000's CG form. And that's to say nothing of the slick vehicular and troop designs for the Clones and Separatists, which would remain the eye-candy of countless toy shelves and video games for years to come, in spite of their on-screen counterparts lacking somewhat in visual finesse due to digital limitations.

Contrast that with the Sequel Trilogy, which benefit from some of the best and cutting-edge, pseudo-realistic CGI and digital tools in the business...and yet, for all their technical supremacy, are utterly forgettable due to uninspired and lazy art direction. People like J.J. Abrams will beat their chest like a deranged silverback over the value of practical effects...but what value do they have if they're in the service of bland and worthless art design? What starships or alien species from the new flock of films are going to resonate with generations to come? Poe's recolored X-Wing? The titty monster on Luke's island? The cavalcade of butt-faced aliens from the Casino Planet?

The reason why people get excited when they see the Republic Gunship or the Droidekas in new games or action figure molds is because they're good designs. Somehow I don't see future generations salivating over Kylo's Shuttle or the Snoke's Pizza-Shaped Dreadnought turning up in new media.

Disney may have bought the brand...but good art direction and an eye for design work isn't something you can buy, as the new movies have routinely showcased.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

Even Mark Hamill did shit like go on Broadway before being a voice actor.

iirc he recorded Wizards about the same time as he was in ANH?

 

[Male Idiot]

The prequels were mediocre. They were not as outstanding as the original films, but they were sure as hell not the dogshit dosni defecates onto your plate.

I just ignore the disney stuff. Play the old games, have fun. Even the Old Republic and the prequels has more memorable designs than the disney "look it is a Tie Fighter recolored ZOMG"

And the Old Republic took a lot of hints from the 6 movies, while Kotor 1-2 distinctly had much less. Tie Fighter and X wing made 2 new Tie designs and 2 non Tie imp fighters.

Disney is just so lazy it hurts.

 

[Sneed F91]

AOTC looks like it's smeared in Vaseline.

That's because of the absurd amount of DNR done to to it. All 6 of the movies had massive amounts of DNR done to them to remove most of the film grain. It's really noticeable on AOTC because of the privative digital camerawork and even manages to make TPM look worse than it did when it came out.

All movies that rely heavily on green screen/digital effects look like shit.

Disagree. Depending on the quality of the CGI and the director they can look great. CGI is a tool. If you can't use it properly it won't look good. Same with good and bad practical effects. Tron Legacy still looks great and so do those Planet of the Apes movies.

 

[Uranus Pink]

Or go back further to the 80ies when CGI was still in its infancy, you had movies like the original Tron, and the Last Starfighter which still hold up to this day.

 

[Squid Diddler]

I swear, the same conversation happens here every few months as if on cue.

"The prequels sucked!"
"No they didn't! I was a kid in 99 and loved them because I didn't know better and therefore they must be good"
"At least they weren't as bad as Disney wars"
"If George was around he would have saved everything"
"Fuck RLM"
"You didn't understand the hype!"

All these things can be true, to a degree. From my perspective, I was RIGHT on the line. Young enough when TPM came out that I thought the battle droids and Maul were super neat and awesome. Old enough to realize Jar Jar was weird and incredibly annoying. I was really upset that Qui-Gon died, he was my favorite, enough that I had a tough time watching the final duel. Obi-Wan was a pussy, why did everyone like him?? The force is parasites!?

By the time AOTC came out, I for sure knew that I was watching dreck. Why the fuck were all the clones CGI? It was obvious and looked terrible. Anakin was whiny and obnoxious. The love scenes were creepy. And they fucking massacred all the mystique behind Boba Fett, made him a stupid clone kid, and made his dad some lame cuck who coasted off Boba's legacy with prissy, shiny armor who canonically couldn't find a single female to have a child with and needed to be cloned to continue his legacy. He even dies like a bitch (Boba didn't die in the sarlacc, everyone knew that, even back then). Man, as a kid I was pissed and felt incredibly ripped off and betrayed. Almost the same way people feel betrayed by the bullshit sequels. Yeah yeah not as bad, whatever, a shitty movie is a shitty movie. I will never like the prequels, call me an OT elitist, I don't care. I'll accept that moniker with pride.

 

[jspit2.0]

I swear, the same conversation happens here every few months as if on cue.

"The prequels sucked!"
"No they didn't! I was a kid in 99 and loved them because I didn't know better and therefore they must be good"
"At least they weren't as bad as Disney wars"
"If George was around he would have saved everything"
"Fuck RLM"
"You didn't understand the hype!"

It's exhausting. I could argue with you about nuance. That Revenge is actually good or that Phantom Menace needed some serious editing or AoTC exists for the last thirty minutes of film. But at the end of the day; they just failed to deliver the three solid installments a trilogy as a series of movies needs to deliver.

Worse, the people bringing it up are attempting to ignore that the prequels opened the door for the Dave Filoni's vice grip on Star Wars and blaming of all things real Star Wars fans for not loving them unconditionally.

I never bullied the child actor playing Anakin, but the character sucked. Jar Jar was annoying and still is. Red Letter Media delivered an unfair assessment of the prequels because it made them hip; diminishing their authority when it comes to making honest reviews that cut against the grain.

Or go back further to the 80ies when CGI was still in its infancy, you had movies like the original Tron, and the Last Starfighter which still hold up to this day.

I'd say blade runner or Alien hold up well too.

Tron doesn't hold up despite being visionary of its time.

 

[Squid Diddler]

It's exhausting. I could argue with you about nuance. That Revenge is actually good or that Phantom Menace needed some serious editing or AoTC exists for the last thirty minutes of film. But at the end of the day; they just failed to deliver the three solid installments a trilogy as a series of movies needs to deliver.

Worse, the people bringing it up are attempting to ignore that the prequels opened the door for the Dave Filoni's vice grip on Star Wars and blaming of all things real Star Wars fans for not loving them unconditionally.

I never bullied the child actor playing Anakin, but the character sucked. Jar Jar was annoying and still is. Red Letter Media delivered an unfair assessment of the prequels because it made them hip; diminishing their authority when it comes to making honest reviews that cut against the grain.



I'd say blade runner or Alien hold up well too.

Tron doesn't hold up despite being visionary of its time.

The funny thing is that I was so burnt by AOTC I never even saw Revenge in theaters. I don't think I got around to watching it for years, and when I finally did I thought, huh not that bad, but by then the magic was gone for me. I was never really a Vader fanboy, so maybe that had something to do with it.

My brother is several years younger so he actually has much more nostalgia for all three films and regularly rewatches them. The context of age and nostalgia really seems to be the key here. Call me insane, but I would not be shocked if in ten years we start seeing a shit ton of "whoah sequel memes!" "haha so bad they're almost good!" "Rey wasn't that bad of an actor." And you all will feel like you're taking crazy pills, because that's how all the prequel love nowadays feels to me.

 

[jspit2.0]

The funny thing is that I was so burnt by AOTC I never even saw Revenge in theaters. I don't think I got around to watching it for years, and when I finally did I thought, huh not that bad, but by then the magic was gone for me. I was never really a Vader fanboy, so maybe that had something to do with it.

My brother is several years younger so he actually has much more nostalgia for all three films and regularly rewatches them. The context of age and nostalgia really seems to be the key here. Call me insane, but I would not be shocked if in ten years we start seeing a shit ton of "whoah sequel memes!" "haha so bad they're almost good!" "Rey wasn't that bad of an actor." And you all will feel like you're taking crazy pills, because that's how all the prequel love nowadays feels to me.

Oh, certainly someone with the palette of paste might. If the only movies you've seen are Avengers/MCU and Fast and the Furious I'm sure the Prequels might seem like timeless classics.

I do believe that's the goal of the new Rey movies. Worse, I don't disagree with these hypothetical shoggoths on the actors. The actors, except for the cunt playing Poe, were not the problem with the Sequels. Give Daisy a good script and she'll be competent.

Just look at the Mandofags, or back before TLJ red pilled so many of them. The Force Awakens was always terrible, but allot of people missed it because JJ didn't slap them in the face. If this movie isn't terrible, allot of people will like it and retroactively begin to appreciate the sequels in the same way Filoni Wars caused a bunch of mental deficients to view the Prequels more kindly.

 

[Seafarer]

So I guess this thread is back in the “debating if the prequels are good” phase, neat.

I feel like a trilogy with Rey and friends could have worked, but Disney is too obsessed with consoomers being fed safe bets that they refused to actually do anything new. Hell, I could probably give you decent trilogy outline even with some of the dumber character's attached. And I'm a terrible writer.

My schizo theory on why Disney is now trying to do stuff with the ST again is because they believe the copium line by ST fans that: “One day the ST will be critically reevaluated just like the PT was!”. And will try to meme that into existence.

 

[Shekelslovakia]

I'm afraid I don't follow what that has to do with Lucas telling different stories about how many eps he planned or a funny af gag about the Holiday Special.
Was that supposed to quote different post?

It's pretty much for overall anything Lucas tried to do. He releases his movies on VHS (SE versions BTW), people got mad, He releases his prequel trilogy he worked on for 10 years, people endlessly trolled him (and like in an earlier post some of the actors too), re-releases his movies DVD and Blu-ray with more changes, people once again get up at arms about it. Even back in 78, when he Made the holiday special, people call it the worst thing to ever air on TV period. Also you can forget the endless amount of ridicule such as on TV shows like South Park making fun of his practices like his changes in the special editions, jar jar binks to downright portraying him as a serial rapist along with Spielberg desecrating Indiana Jones because they think they violated their beloved character by making more movies. Yeah well the shoe is on the other foot now with with lucasfilm owned by KK and Disney, karma is definitely a bitch and hopefully the new Indiana Jones film puts a final nail in everyone's coffin who has ever worked on any of these franchises.

 

[Kane Lives]

The funny thing is that I was so burnt by AOTC I never even saw Revenge in theaters. I don't think I got around to watching it for years, and when I finally did I thought, huh not that bad, but by then the magic was gone for me. I was never really a Vader fanboy, so maybe that had something to do with it.

My brother is several years younger so he actually has much more nostalgia for all three films and regularly rewatches them. The context of age and nostalgia really seems to be the key here. Call me insane, but I would not be shocked if in ten years we start seeing a shit ton of "whoah sequel memes!" "haha so bad they're almost good!" "Rey wasn't that bad of an actor." And you all will feel like you're taking crazy pills, because that's how all the prequel love nowadays feels to me.

Unlikely for one reason: the sequels are not mediocre movies that could have been great. They're simply mediocre.

People don't remember mediocre. People, however, do fondly reminiscence on "what could have been?". The prequels falls solidly into this category, along with say, Voyager (which I think, is very similar to the prequels in term of quality).

 

[Creep3r]

The context of age and nostalgia really seems to be the key here. Call me insane, but I would not be shocked if in ten years we start seeing a shit ton of "whoah sequel memes!" "haha so bad they're almost good!" "Rey wasn't that bad of an actor." And you all will feel like you're taking crazy pills, because that's how all the prequel love nowadays feels to me.

Really my shoggoth? I've seen this argument too many times and it just doesn't hold water. If anything we've been seeing the reverse. Upon release, TFA was beloved by casual moviegoers and the mainstream media outlets wouldn't stop shilling the fuck out of it even after release, in contrast to the prequels and the constant stream of hate and parodies they got with every prequel that was released. Even Red Letter Media loved TFA, and the corniest ass memes were made online dedicated to TFA (even some weird Christian ones like Jesus holding a green version of Crylo Ren's lightsaber). Nowadays you see more criticism aimed at TFA and critics calling it an unoriginal and derivative OT Rehash, even from media outlets that wouldn't shut up about how great it was back after its release, while former "visionary" JJ is regarded as an unfulfilling mystery box man who can't deliver a satisfying conclusion to save his life. And Disney's attempts at trying to produce their own sequel equivalent to Filoni Wars to brainwash kids into loving their crappy new trilogy again have all failed miserably, with even Star Wars Resistance dying a pitiful death despite Disney setting it up with a huge media campaign and merchandising deal, only for the whole thing to become a humiliating ratings disasters and have its final season reduced to Disney XD webisodes.

Disney's only hits have been material directly tied to the OT (and Filoni Wars since Ahsoka simps are more in love with orange waifu than the prequels), but even those have suffered drastic drops in viewership and Disney+ has even lost 2mil subscribers in the process. It doesn't help that they turned Manadalorian, their only success, into just another vehicle to shill the sequels and reduced what could've been a relatable bounty hunting average joe story into another Filoni cameofest that's essential to the future before it even had a chance to breath.

My schizo theory on why Disney is now trying to do stuff with the ST again is because they believe the copium line by ST fans that: “One day the ST will be critically reevaluated just like the PT was!”. And will try to meme that into existence.

I think this is half their reasoning. The other half is that they want to move back towards theatrical Star Wars films (although I still think the Reylo movies will suffer the same fate as Patty Jenkins) is because they don't have as much faith in Disney+ after the losses they suffered because of it in the last year or so. Hence why so many of those Disney+ SW shows they promised (along with many movies) have fallen off the radar or been shelved entirely.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

It's pretty much for overall anything Lucas tried to do. He releases his movies on VHS (SE versions BTW), people got mad, He releases his prequel trilogy he worked on for 10 years, people endlessly trolled him (and like in an earlier post some of the actors too), re-releases his movies DVD and Blu-ray with more changes, people once again get up at arms about it. Even back in 78, when he Made the holiday special, people call it the worst thing to ever air on TV period. Also you can forget the endless amount of ridicule such as on TV shows like South Park making fun of his practices like his changes in the special editions, jar jar binks to downright portraying him as a serial rapist along with Spielberg desecrating Indiana Jones because they think they violated their beloved character by making more movies. Yeah well the shoe is on the other foot now with with lucasfilm owned by KK and Disney, karma is definitely a bitch and hopefully the new Indiana Jones film puts a final nail in everyone's coffin who has ever worked on any of these franchises.

I still don't get what that has to do with him wobbling on total episodes or a funny joke from around ep 1


Unrelated I liked (and still like) ep 2 more than 1.
I was prepared for NOT MUH OT when 2 rolled around, so I think that helped

 

[Quarterback Rex Grossman]

How can the Rey movie possibly be good? It's directed by Sharmeen Obaid-Chinoy, a lefty Paki activist whose credits are 2 episodes of Ms. Marvel and a bunch of shitty short films about the plight of super awesome girlbosses who don't need no man. It's written by men who are literally soy incarnate. And according to reddit spoilers the lead was supposed to be a PERSON OF COLOR and now the theory is Rey will be a mentor figure while her PERSON OF COLOR apprentice is the real hero.

It's also four years away which means there's a 95% it gets cancelled before cameras even start rolling.

My brother is several years younger so he actually has much more nostalgia for all three films and regularly rewatches them. The context of age and nostalgia really seems to be the key here. Call me insane, but I would not be shocked if in ten years we start seeing a shit ton of "whoah sequel memes!" "haha so bad they're almost good!" "Rey wasn't that bad of an actor." And you all will feel like you're taking crazy pills, because that's how all the prequel love nowadays feels to me.

Bold of you to assume we won't be living in pods, eating ze bugs by then.

 

[jspit2.0]

So I guess this thread is back in the “debating if the prequels are good” phase, neat.


My schizo theory on why Disney is now trying to do stuff with the ST again is because they believe the copium line by ST fans that: “One day the ST will be critically reevaluated just like the PT was!”. And will try to meme that into existence.

I mean, it's been doing this for years...

Unlikely for one reason: the sequels are not mediocre movies that could have been great. They're simply mediocre.

People don't remember mediocre. People, however, do fondly reminiscence on "what could have been?". The prequels falls solidly into this category, along with say, Voyager (which I think, is very similar to the prequels in term of quality).

One good movie out of three, zero good movies out of three. None of it matters. It's little to do with quality and more to do with the desire for something to be a thing.

@Creep3r

The damn site won't let me quote you. Anyway, the target isn't the people who were lukewarm on the sequels and woke up when RJ slapped them in the face. It's for the people that liked Force Awakens/TLJ's separate mystery box ideas and felt betrayed that Rian Johnson's and/or JJ Abrams conflicting, in Abrams case half formed, ideas were never really followed through.

The things that people who really liked the sequels consistently hit on...

1. JJ's mystery boxes. Who the fuck was Snoke? What about the knights of Ren? What about Finn and his journey from being a stormtrooper?

Yes, these were all mostly unbaked and or stupid; but there are a subset of people who actually originally were interested in them.

2. Rian's 'masterpiece'. The petty clown gave allot of stuff to people who never liked Star Wars and weren't fans. The Foremost among them are Reylos. We mock them, but Driver and Ridly have a fanbase who liked that content. An even halfway decent movie with a romance between the two will have Relyos insisting that TLJ is not the steaming garbage people recognize if you just cut out all the Star Wars bits!

Twilight in space is what most of us accuse Disney of. Taking a boy brand and literally transforming it into teen girl cringe.

How can the Rey movie possibly be good? It's directed by Sharmeen Obaid-Chinoy, a lefty Paki activist whose credits are 2 episodes of Ms. Marvel and a bunch of shitty short films about the plight of super awesome girlbosses who don't need no man. It's written by men who are literally soy incarnate. And according to reddit spoilers the lead was supposed to be a PERSON OF COLOR and now the theory is Rey will be a mentor figure while her PERSON OF COLOR apprentice is the real hero.

It's also four years away which means there's a 95% it gets cancelled before cameras even start rolling.


Bold of you to assume we won't be living in pods, eating ze bugs by then.

Nah, the bugs come at least fifty years from now.

 

[Dixieland Buckaroo]

Disney has fallen to the sunk-cost fallacy with pretty much everything Star Wars. Doubling down on Rey, doubling down on Feloni, doubling down on Disney+, just a stream of terrible secondary media, doubling down on the sequels in the parks. And a lot of those decisions were Iger's, per his own book and media. And don't even start on Willow and Indy. I can't wait to see how they ruin the ride in the parks with Dial of Destiny trash.

Say what you will about Eisner, but he canceled that park in Virginia and sold off the Power Rangers.