Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

My brother is several years younger so he actually has much more nostalgia for all three films and regularly rewatches them. The context of age and nostalgia really seems to be the key here. Call me insane, but I would not be shocked if in ten years we start seeing a shit ton of "whoah sequel memes!" "haha so bad they're almost good!" "Rey wasn't that bad of an actor." And you all will feel like you're taking crazy pills, because that's how all the prequel love nowadays feels to me.

I don't think so. The ST are too fucking bad even when you excise their hype. They just shat on too much story wise.
Lucas got the littlest things (set design, costuming, fights, angles) right, got the biggest things right (bigger narrative, story beats, build up [kinda]) and just missed on everything in the middle.
The ST did none of that. There's no cohesive story, things happen randomly with no foreshadowing because the director was either no-talent mystery box tard or fart-huffing midwit too focused on Subverting Expectations to make a good film.

The prequels got memes almost before memes were really a thing because even when Lucas shat the bed, he was at least TRYING and you know earnestness, even after 15 years of Whedon Quips masquerading as Wit bleaching your brain.
 
I don't think so. The ST are too fucking bad even when you excise their hype. They just shat on too much story wise.
Lucas got the littlest things (set design, costuming, fights, angles) right, got the biggest things right (bigger narrative, story beats, build up [kinda]) and just missed on everything in the middle.
The ST did none of that. There's no cohesive story, things happen randomly with no foreshadowing because the director was either no-talent mystery box tard or fart-huffing midwit too focused on Subverting Expectations to make a good film.

The prequels got memes almost before memes were really a thing because even when Lucas shat the bed, he was at least TRYING and you know earnestness, even after 15 years of Whedon Quips masquerading as Wit bleaching your brain.

I've made my case for what people will do. At this point, the only thing I can put it down to is you just won't see it because you aren't either insane enough or surrounded by crazy long enough.
 
I believe there will be an attempt to resuscitate the Sequel Trilogy down the road and people will forget that the movies went out of their way to insult you as a viewer and the bad will that the movies caused.
And despite it's flaws, the prequels never intentionally insulted its audience members because the director did not act like a spiteful man-child on social media.
I think that contributes to why the Prequels are looked at more fondly now.
I'm not looking forward to a masochistic, abused fanbase looking at the sequels with rose-tinted glasses.
 
I believe there will be an attempt to resuscitate the Sequel Trilogy down the road and people will forget that the movies went out of their way to insult you as a viewer and the bad will that the movies caused.
that is utterly impossible
there is nothing at all to work with in the period of the ST, and more than half of it is a giant fuck you to anyone with sense
 
IT'S THE DOOMCOCK / POOJIT HOPIUM COPIUM SHOW!! Today's episode is all about how #DoomcockWasWrong about KK's "viking funeral" she was supposed to have at Star Wars Celebration 2023 to siginal her offical outgoing exodus from Disney & Lucasfilm!

The prequels got memes almost before memes were really a thing because even when Lucas shat the bed, he was at least TRYING and you know earnestness, even after 15 years of Whedon Quips masquerading as Wit bleaching your brain.
I always wondered when & why they push in "quips" in modern movies especially with the MCU. Has that been around for a while or is this something that just started happening when Disney bought out Marvel in 2009?
 
I don't think so. The ST are too fucking bad even when you excise their hype. They just shat on too much story wise.
Lucas got the littlest things (set design, costuming, fights, angles) right, got the biggest things right (bigger narrative, story beats, build up [kinda]) and just missed on everything in the middle.
The ST did none of that. There's no cohesive story, things happen randomly with no foreshadowing because the director was either no-talent mystery box tard or fart-huffing midwit too focused on Subverting Expectations to make a good film.

The prequels got memes almost before memes were really a thing because even when Lucas shat the bed, he was at least TRYING and you know earnestness, even after 15 years of Whedon Quips masquerading as Wit bleaching your brain.
The prequels also had enough content that others could turn into additional media, which is something the ST simply didn't have. There's Resistance, but that ends before Rise of Skywalker. To date, there's been no other attempts to make shows, games or movies past Episode 9.
 
I’ve just read Iger’s condescending, patronizing, and borderline manipulative book and one thing that emphasizes everything wrong with Disney Wars was George’s reaction to The Force Awakens.

“There weren’t enough visual or technical leaps forward.”

What I inferred, George was left frozen and shocked at how bad the film was. Internally, he not only regretted selling his company to Disney after Iger manipulated him in a passive aggressive manner, but regretted not taking any involvement in the making of the What If films. You can’t blame for this action. Any of his sons would have been qualified to run his company, including Jett who had the passion for it, but sadly, not of his family and the business experience nor interest of running Lucasfilm.

Iger’s response to George’s valid criticisms sums up his ignorant and clueless attitude towards Star Wars.

“He wasn’t wrong, but he also wasn’t appreciating the pressure we were under to give ardent fans a film that felt quintessentially Star Wars. We’d intentionally created a world that was visually and tonally connected to the earlier films, to not stray too far from what people loved and expected, and George was criticising us for the very thing we were trying to do.”

No shit, you had no idea how Star Wars works and why people love them.

Obi Wan sacrificing himself to Vader so that the others can escape is impactful because not only does Luke have to fulfill his destiny on his own, but would also help the Rebellion starting kicking the Empire’s ass. Han being killed by his incoherent son has no impact because we don’t know what Kylo’s plan is to be honest.

Luke getting his ass kicked by Vader on Cloud City is impactful because it shows that he has a lot of growing up to do still and Vader revealing he’s his father empathizes that the world isn’t so black and white as he believed. Rey Rey kicking Kylo’s ass multiple times has no impact because Rey Rey has no emotional tension, stakes, or experience to make us invest in her career.

Vader sacrificing his life to save Luke by killing the man he foolishly followed is impactful because Luke was the legacy of Padmé and the last of the love he had for people. Kylo switching sides has no impact because the character is confused to what he aims to achieve.

You can replicate the same story beats visually, but you can’t replicate the emotional depths to why these stories mean so much for people. The thing though is that Iger only wanted Star Wars so he can monopolize the film industry and pander to the wrong audiences who had his political views.
 
I believe there will be an attempt to resuscitate the Sequel Trilogy down the road and people will forget that the movies went out of their way to insult you as a viewer and the bad will that the movies caused.
And despite it's flaws, the prequels never intentionally insulted its audience members because the director did not act like a spiteful man-child on social media.
I think that contributes to why the Prequels are looked at more fondly now.
I'm not looking forward to a masochistic, abused fanbase looking at the sequels with rose-tinted glasses.
Disney seems to be convinced that if they wait long enough, the Sequels will become just as beloved as the prequels. Which is fucking nonsensical because the prequels have a lot of good parts that resonate today, the sequels were dated immediately.
 

The sheer amount of desperation as to not accept that they are all on the same side.

"oh no no, guys, it was highjacked by Kathy!"

It must be awesome working at Lucasfilms these days, you can fuck up how much you want and Kathy will get the blame for everything. Dont get me wrong, this woman is a major contributing factor to the shitshow we are in but stop fucking pretending that she is the only one, damn it.
“He wasn’t wrong, but he also wasn’t appreciating the pressure we were under to give ardent fans a film that felt quintessentially Star Wars. We’d intentionally created a world that was visually and tonally connected to the earlier films, to not stray too far from what people loved and expected, and George was criticising us for the very thing we were trying to do.”

I only hear corporate NPC sounds

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Do these people even notice how inhuman they sound?
I believe there will be an attempt to resuscitate the Sequel Trilogy down the road and people will forget that the movies went out of their way to insult you as a viewer and the bad will that the movies caused.
And despite it's flaws, the prequels never intentionally insulted its audience members because the director did not act like a spiteful man-child on social media.
I think that contributes to why the Prequels are looked at more fondly now.
I'm not looking forward to a masochistic, abused fanbase looking at the sequels with rose-tinted glasses.

I honestly doubt that will happen, or at least on the same level as the other two trilogies. People didnt really defend these movies out of legit enjoyment but because it matched with the cultural and political beliefs.

The prequels tell an universal cautionary tale about the dangers of overly trusting the political system and figure heads and how tyrants are voted into power most of the time (and yet people refuse to accept this is partially their faults)

The sequels tells something "modern" but also as lasting as milk left on the hot sun. This sense of "for all" was gone by the time the first sequel came out, only solidifying with TLJ. People like these movies because it agrees with them, not because it may ocassionally tell them an uncomfortable truth about humanity, history and society that we either learn or we are bound to repeat it again (like we doing now it seems). The sequel trilogy is the perfect representation of the modern times on the cultural, political and societal level. Something shallow, unengaging and clearly thought up by corporate suits, ass kissers and political activists.

So while there will be eventual deranged moronic fuck heads that will be "nostalgic" for it, there wont be people admiring the actual meaningful messages it left for the world. The original told a story of courage, faith, friendship, the value of hard work and the necessity of struggle. The prequels told a story of hell being paved with good intentions, the folly of man, political manipulation but also carrying some of the same messages of courage, friendship and struggle.

The sequel trilogy tells a tale of...nothing ever lasting or meaningful.

It wont be seen kindly by history

I always wondered when & why they push in "quips" in modern movies especially with the MCU. Has that been around for a while or is this something that just started happening when Disney bought out Marvel in 2009?

Its not necessarily new in anyway. It just began to rise to prominence with Josh related projects like Buffy that ocassionally did the quip and joke to adknowledge that this is silly (but still to be taken serious) and to remind the show that we are following sarcastic teenagers. Josh just happened to inject this in the Avengers and it was so well received that the MCU began to milk this style for all its worth to this very day. You can also see Josh doing some of it in his cut of Justice League (tho there it really exposes just how much his humour is used as a writing crutch instead of actually adding anything). Its just dated and tired nowadays.

I kind of see it as part of the post modernism cultural shift, kind of started as a "been there, done that" sort of attitude but it grew into a toxic "we cant take anything seriously anymore" mentality. It highlights the sheer disconnection the average person has with...anything these days. They gotta joke because they cant maintain a proper investment with anything, either out of sheer incapacity or because they are afraid they will make themselves look stupid.

Everyone wants to be the smart quirky sarcastic guy in the group. Therefore, no one is.
 
Yes, these were all mostly unbaked and or stupid; but there are a subset of people who actually originally were interested in them.
God help those poor fools then. Palpatine 2.0, Sith cosplayers, and the comedy relief coon were not interesting. They seemed interesting because their headcanons wrote the stories in their heads
The prequels got memes almost before memes were really a thing because even when Lucas shat the bed, he was at least TRYING and you know earnestness
JJ and Rian were the wrong choice for Star Wars because they made the mistake of not being earnest. They rolled their eyes at it, pointed and laughed at it, and were way too tryhard with the "self awareness" while having 0 real self awareness. They treated it like the MCU which also points and laughs at the source material because it's "stupid", while begging to be taken seriously.
Rey Rey kicking Kylo’s ass multiple times has no impact because Rey Rey has no emotional tension, stakes, or experience to make us invest in her career.
It also has the problem of making the so called "main villain" a complete non-threat. That's not even mentioning his tempter tantrums. Imagine if Luke kicked Vader's ass in ANH. How are we supposed to be threatened by him in ESB? This is why I just laugh when people say Kylo could have been a compelling bad guy after killing Snoke in TLJ. They clearly let their imaginations get in the way of reality. The MC can kick his ass any time, and she does.
Disney has fallen to the sunk-cost fallacy with pretty much everything Star Wars.
When you spend $4 billion dollars you kind of have to make that money back or your company is fucked.
The MCU also debuted around the time older Millennials started gaining a foothold in entertainment with their quirky, random humor.
Plus "nerd culture" became mainstream and popular thanks to the internet in the 2000s. So liking nerd shit became "cool".
 
Just watched efap reaction of new mando episode and wew, what a boring and uninteresting dreg of a show. I dont even understand how can someone like this.

I remember reading the mandalorian arc of the Kotor comics and Cassus Fett was awesome, the politics of war and their whole culture and now... It is so boring in comparisson. It is almost like a simulacrum using toys to simulate what could be good but cant since disney cant execute good ideas to save their own lives.

I pity for those who even care for this shit
 
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"oh no no, guys, it was highjacked by Kathy!"

It must be awesome working at Lucasfilms these days, you can fuck up how much you want and Kathy will get the blame for everything. Dont get me wrong, this woman is a major contributing factor to the shitshow we are in but stop fucking pretending that she is the only one, damn it.
Filoni has a hell of a deal. He can pump out all the fanfiction-tier shit he wants and fanboys will eat it up; and the shit that doesn't land with them will be blamed on Kathy.
 
I'll probably try out Jedi survivor when that comes out. Fallen order was one of the very few things under disney they got right, and honestly it wasn't for the story so much as how good the environment design and lightsaber effects were.


I wonder how much creative control respawn is allowed because everything looks a lot more atheistically pleasing and faithful compared to the shitty sequels (random oc force aliens aside)

If it turns out to suck at least I get to cut stormtroopers in half.
 
I always wondered when & why they push in "quips" in modern movies especially with the MCU. Has that been around for a while or is this something that just started happening when Disney bought out Marvel in 2009?

I've raged against the machine at the 2007 Writers strike, you can look for my posts about it ITT. That's the real moment everything went fucked. But the rot was in place long before. There were shows like Police Squad and Sledge Hammer and even radio shows like Nick Diamond that were 'trope parodies' of various levels of self-awareness and Deadpool went self-aware in 1997. Action movies in the 80s/90s had characters drop one liners to 'lighten the mood'.

Buffy the Vampire Slayer series is, in the minds of film nerds I frequent, regarded as Patient Zero and Joss Whedon as the Typhoid Mary.
Joss Whedon took a has-been vampire movie about a Valley Girl being a chosen Vampire Slayer, and turned it into long-running series by embracing lesbian baiting the silly premise and having the characters be largely self-aware of the situations they found themselves in.
This is sort of crystalized Gen-X weariness with 'fake' and 'unrealistic' characters in media.


Quips are imitation wit. If you have actual smart/funny writing, they work. But quips are easy to write, especially by people who hate the thing they're writing. So in the wake of 2007 actually clearing writers rooms of anyone smart/talented (and any new smart/talented people being a threat and kept marginalized) everything shifts to a quipfest because making an earnest film is very uncool.
 
Just watched efap reaction of new mando episode and wew, what a boring and uninteresting dreg of a show. I dont even understand how can someone like this.

I remember reading the mandalorian arc of the Kotor comics and Cassus Fett was awesome, the politics of war and their whole culture and now... It is so boring in comparisson. It is almost like a simulacrum using toys to simulate what could be good but cant since disney cant execute good ideas to save their own lives.

I pity for those who even care for this shit
Face it, the best part of that last episode was Giancarlo Esposito chewing the scenery. Take him away, and this episode wouldn't be that much outside of a firefight and the Mandos acting like morons.
 
This is sort of crystalized Gen-X weariness with 'fake' and 'unrealistic' characters in media.
When you put it like that it's interesting Gen-X didn't turn their noses up at Star Wars in the first place because of how intentionally corny and unrealistic it was. It's different when a story winks at the audience from the very start compared to one that never did and plays it straight the entire time.
 
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