The Great Porn Debate - The Coomites vs Anti-Faparians

[DavidS877]

If you banned porn outright the WNBA would suddenly become an outsized share of the sports-enthusiast demographic's viewership.

Beach Volleyball would like a word.

 

[Thiletonomics]

Beach Volleyball would like a word.

And Women's Track and Field would also like to have a word as well. And Indoor Volleyball would probably bring bloomer shorts back for Women, to try to capitalize on porn bans...

On the topic itself, the fact that some countries ban porn (i.e. South Korea), and yet their males still end up deviants, going as far as to becoming IRL voyeurs, in the case of SK, goes to show that people will find a way to get their rocks off, even if the said thing ends up being worse than watching porn. Heck, some guys even find ways to watch porn in North Korea, and one poor boy ended up getting himself and his family sent away to the countryside, after getting caught watching porn.

 

[Apochrypha]

I'm not pro/anti porn since it's normally something I don't really care about, but I do think that outright banning it would probably do more harm than good. Most of the women in the "industry" - if that's what you want to call it - are fucking miserable, but most of those women also got into porn willingly. If you chose to fuck your life up you don't deserve pity - same goes for drug addicts, etc. Granted there's an entire market of trafficking pimping and general exploitation that goes on and needs to be rid of but I don't see how banning porn entirely would resolve that issue. If anything it might make it worse - if you tell people they can't have something they'll always find newer, scummier ways to get it.

Ideally there should be more regulation on porn and how people can access it so that we can try to prevent things like CP and trafficking - maybe we should make it less accessible online or go back to only having porn shops, I dunno. Don't go calling me Hitler for suggesting coomers should to pay to play.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

You're advocating for the upheaval of the Constitution

pretend it's 1950 when the Hays Code still existed.

I'm so glad that's gone, otherwise you couldn't enjoy Cuties. Ah, progress!

This coming form the guy who randomly introduced, let me count: drugs, children and troons into the debate

I did so in relevant ways, just because they're tough questions doesn't mean you can pretend they're random.

my opinion as OnionFarms_Ness trumps the courts

I wish, you degenerates would be very unhappy campers.

Trying to build a rep across different websites with the same user name, avatar, etc. is lolcow behavior. I haven't done anything approaching that since probably 12 years ago. But it will make you easy to track down I guess if you ever end up with a thread here.

You should get on making that thread then. It really would probably be pretty easy to track me down.

The idea anyone was made gay or into a troon from watching porn is bullshit.

Why are you so sure someone's sexual inclinations can't be changed and/or strengthened by the porn they consume, even when there's people's testimonies to the contrary?

And it's just common sense, if you're exposed to something it might have an influence on you. If you sit in the barber shop long enough you'll get a haircut.

Glad you're admitting banning harmless things for the "greater good" is asinine libtard nanny state behavior.

Druggies argue drugs are harmless too, hence why I bring it up as a point of comparison. Gamblers do the same thing. You're no different.

 

[Halmaz]

Since I've been in a stable relationship for many years now, I do not really watch porn. Rarely, I check out the old sites I used to frequent 10-15 years ago. I always end up feeling disgusted and choose to quit looking, because they are a major turn off and do the opposite of what they supposed to do.
How can anyone enjoy modern porn sites?
The main page and best video categories are heavily curated, always filled to the brim with whatever fetish is the flavor of the month/year. It used to be BBC, now it's creepy quasi-incest, "step"-sis/mom crap. All the women are absolutely repulsive. Chubby, old, used up, saggy, tattoo and/or piercing laden thots, often with the worst bolt-ons a man can imagine.
Absolutely stomach churning crap.
I wouldn't mind if it was banned, but that ain't happening. Porn needs to be toned down though, but that's also wishful thinking.

 

[Mothra1988]

And what are you going to do about the constitution faggot? Nothing like usual? Like I said adult children that live in fantasy worlds in their heads. This isn't even really a debate at this point because you got shut down on every flimsy point you put forth. It's more like a psych exam. May as well have you respond to ink blotches so you can find the hidden jews in them. lol

I did so in relevant ways, just because they're tough questions doesn't mean you can pretend they're random.

Ah yes, like how you randomly just brought up drugs for no reason like the word just popped into your head. In fact you listed it first, drugs and porn, even though it had not be mentioned in the entire thread up to that point. You really got a strong grip on how human communication works at this point.

I wish, you degenerates would be very unhappy campers.

Adult man child and his fantasies everyone. lol Do you team up with Batman as well to teach us a lesson?

You should get on making that thread then. It really would probably be pretty easy to track me down.

Are you admitting you are a cow now?

Why are you so sure someone's sexual inclinations can't be changed and/or strengthened by the porn they consume, even when there's people's testimonies to the contrary?

And it's just common sense, if you're exposed to something it might have an influence on you. If you sit in the barber shop long enough you'll get a haircut.

Because sexual attraction/sexual orientation doesn't work that way. That's like saying that food caused your hunger and if just the food went away, hunger would be solved. It's absurd. Are you speaking from your own experience here or something? Is there some hilarious backstory to your anger at porn? Did it make you gay for a while? lol

Druggies argue drugs are harmless too, hence why I bring it up as a point of comparison. Gamblers do the same thing. You're no different.

Comparing doing drugs to looking at computer screen is retarded, and you should feel bad about it. You didn't bring it up as a point of comparasion either you. You just radnomly said "drugs and porn" after my ice cream comparasion like it had already been discussed together in some context.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

And what are you going to do about the constitution faggot? Nothing like usual? Like I said adult children that live in fantasy worlds in their heads. This isn't even really a debate at this point because you got shut down on every flimsy point you put forth. It's more like a psych exam. May as well have you respond to ink blotches so you can find the hidden jews in them. lol

When did I say I was going to do anything about it? I just know it is inadequate as-is in current year, and I'm right, and as usual, you are wrong.

Also, I don't hate Jews.

Ah yes, like how you randomly just brought up drugs for no reason like the word just popped into your head. In fact you listed it first, drugs and porn, even though it had not be mentioned in the entire thread up to that point. You really got a strong grip on how human communication works at this point.

You're literally just whining now.

Adult man child and his fantasies everyone. lol Do you team up with Batman as well to teach us a lesson?

I prefer to team up with Superman.

Are you admitting you are a cow now?

You're saying I'm exhibiting lolcow behavior, so I'm inviting you to get a headstart.

Because sexual attraction/sexual orientation doesn't work that way. That's like saying that food caused your hunger and if just the food went away, hunger would be solved. It's absurd. Are you speaking from your own experience here or something? Is there some hilarious backstory to your anger at porn? Did it make you gay for a while? lol

Sure, so you say it doesn't work that way. And your hunger analogy sounds like poorly throughout nonsense.

Why do LGBT always accuse straights of being secretly gay? I'm genuinely curious, is a recruitment effort or something? Does it ever actually work?

Comparing doing drugs to looking at computer screen is retarded, and you should feel bad about it. You didn't bring it up as a point of comparasion either you. You just radnomly said "drugs and porn" after my ice cream comparasion like it had already been discussed together in some context.

Maybe you should try to argue why it's retarded then. It's almost like you can't or something.

In fact, certain types of porn might be worse than drugs, loli hentai for example.

 

[Spud]

How would you get others to agree that the constitution needs to be removed over this 1 issue and not have it fuck you over in the long run?

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

How would you get others to agree that the constitution needs to be removed over this 1 issue and not have it fuck you over in the long run?

Amend is probably a better choice of words than remove, but as to your question, carefully. It's not something one retard can make an airtight case for in a single forum post, but anyone can see this whole free speech thing only works in a sane country.

There's no way the Founding Fathers intended for, nor could even conceive of, troons openly grooming kids into mutilation for their sex cult backed by the notion of freeze peach, and they'd probably have burned them all at the stake.

 

[Balalaika Z Bree]

Comparing doing drugs to looking at computer screen is retarded

What about comparing porn and gambling? Drugs are something you consume by eating/injecting/smoking etc. Porn is a lot like gambling in that it induces a thrill or emotional response that the person can become addicted to. Similarly they have a clear pattern of escalation for many addicts, seeking bigger thrills.

In fact, certain types of porn might be worse than drugs, loli hentai for example.

CP and other criminal material (for now at least), like actual rape footage, aside, many types of porn are clearly worse than drugs:

• They normalize depraved acts that attack human dignity (simulating incest, rape, extortion, enslavement, torture, adultery, homosexual acts, masturbation etc.).
• They help human traffickers sell their sex slaves services by advertising sex tourism.
• They, either by very young looking legal adults or animated/drawn characters, simulate child abuse

I think it's no accident that drugs, particularly the stronger kinds (not tobacco or caffeine, but cocaine and booze etc.) are strongly associated with prostitution. Yes it's due to the laws, but it's also due the the efficiency of keeping the prostitutes in line, whether they are trafficked sex slaves or just foolish or desperate women and men, or indeed children.

And Women's Track and Field would also like to have a word as well. And Indoor Volleyball would probably bring bloomer shorts back for Women, to try to capitalize on porn bans...

On the topic itself, the fact that some countries ban porn (i.e. South Korea), and yet their males still end up deviants, going as far as to becoming IRL voyeurs, in the case of SK, goes to show that people will find a way to get their rocks off, even if the said thing ends up being worse than watching porn. Heck, some guys even find ways to watch porn in North Korea, and one poor boy ended up getting himself and his family sent away to the countryside, after getting caught watching porn.

I'd hesitate to believe "a source in North Pyongan Province". I suspect the punishment is real, but I doubt they would wait for a crime to be committed to make an example of someone. It's North Korea after all. It might have been a totally innocent victim, or just somebody looking at a slightly provocative ad in a way they thought was inappropriate.

I don't think banning porn will eliminate it completely, any more than outlawing meth get's it off the streets. I still want it wiped out when it's found and with more advanced algorithms coming on stream it may be possible to eliminate it from most of the internet in short order.

 

[Spud]

an airtight case

Give me the rough details about how you would do it?

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Give me the rough details about how you would do it?

I'm not delusional, I don't think I'm smart enough to even draft out rough details for an amendment. I can give you a very broad goal though; ban bad speech.

Yeah, I know, it's subjective to a point, but there absolutely needs to be more guardrails. It's also why I believe in having a Christian nation. If people don't like if they're free to groom, burn the flag and Bible, or watch their sissy hypno porn up in Canada.

 

[Spud]

I'm not delusional

Debatable.

but there absolutely needs to be more guardrails

Those who would sacrifice freedom for safety deserve neither. Honestly your ideas sound dumb and gay, that's why people don't like them. We've done the puritan thing and everyone hated it, we already have laws in place regarding adult content but the real kicker is that it's parents who don't do the bare minimum in making sure their kids aren't exposed to this sort of content. That's the issue, not porn itself. I can use every argument you've made for porn for guns and all I'd have to do is replace porn for guns

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Those who would sacrifice freedom for safety deserve neither.

Quaint, but it was a different time, a different place. I very much doubt it applies to this. And as I mentioned, we already have illegal speech, so these types of guardrails already exist, they're just too limited and often reserved to specific circumstances. Merely expanding these guardrails isn't some unimaginable assault on freedom.

Honestly your ideas sound dumb and gay, that's why people don't like them.

We've seen what people like, how's the most popular president doing?

We've done the puritan thing and everyone hated it

Can't please everybody, but it was better. Anecdotally, I've been seeing a lot of people who hated it begrudgingly admit it was better than the alternative we have now.

parents who don't do the bare minimum in making sure their kids aren't exposed to this sort of content.

They're too busy taking them to Drag Queen Story Hour to monitor their porn intake, have some understanding.

I can use every argument you've made for porn for guns and all I'd have to do is replace porn for guns

You can try.

 

[Spud]

Merely expanding these guardrails isn't some unimaginable assault on freedom.

Why do you believe that you have authority over what legal content I am allowed to watch? I never gave you that.

I've been seeing a lot of people who hated it begrudgingly admit it was better than the alternative we have now.

Comparing drowning in quicksand to drowning in water isn't really the best comparison to make.

We've seen what people like, how's the most popular president doing?

That's not really a good justification for a fundamental change to the country. Besides, Brandon is bringing us all together. In hating current year

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Why do you believe that you have authority over what legal content I am allowed to watch? I never gave you that.

Key term there, legal content. I don't want to have authority over what legal content you're allowed to watch, but I wouldn't mind deciding what constitutes "legal content".

The whole debate is over whether porn should be legal or not, and you just saying it is currently legal isn't a defense for why it should remain as such.

Comparing drowning in quicksand to drowning in water isn't really the best comparison to make.

I'd agree, problem is you consider them both drowning when that isn't true. There's also no alternative, you will "drown" in the good or the bad. There is no middleground, liberals will push for degeneracy and conservatives will do nothing push for morality either in perpetuity or until one side wins out.

There's no magical cultural vaccuum you can put the country in, there is no fence upon which to sit. You either think sex cults should be allowed to recruit children for mutilation due to free speech because you can quote Franklin's Liberty/Safety line, or you agree with me and free speech needs to preclude obvious evils.

That's not really a good justification for a fundamental change to the country.

When the system is inadequate fundamental changes are required.

Besides, Brandon is bringing us all together. In hating current year

 

[Spud]

The whole debate is over whether porn should be legal or not

Why do you care? We already state that it should only be accessible to 18+, already have sex trafficking laws on the books and punish those who commit such acts to under 18s or show pornographic acts to them. Why this we can go further mentality?

quote Franklin's Liberty/Safety line, or you agree with me

I'd just fucking shoot you tbh.

liberals and conservatives

Them too. Fuck off and leave me alone, it's not that hard. Your culture war is fake and gay bullshit drummed up for advertiser money. You really wanna make a change then go after the heads of JP Morgan Chase, Visa and Mastercard instead of fucking with me.

 

[ITK]

Pornography as an industry and as a consumable is inherently evil and destructive in the same way addictive drugs are. It can and has warped the minds and habits of many men and women in negative ways, that’s been established a million times.
However, I don’t believe the government should intervene in porno, obviously things like CP are different subjects but we’re talking about porn as we understand the topic here. The ideal solution would be a culture of self responsibility, and a culture that is formed of strong individuals who can abstain from things such as drugs, alcohol abuse, porn, prostitution, etc, but lol right like that’s going to happen.
The only solution that is viable is to logically explain why porn is a problem, how to navigate around it, and leave it to the individual to make their own choice even if that choice is the wrong one. I’m very libertarian on things like drugs and porn and such, but I personally abstain because I understand the negative consequences if I don’t. If someone reaches the same conclusions then good for them, if they don’t then they don’t.

Well of course, if you are Libertarian to the degree that you believe we should decriminalize heroin and cocaine and let that be sold by big business from vendors on every street, it is reasonable that you wouldn't sympathize with the position that we should criminalize pornography. But as it happens, the status quo all over the world, including America, is that society governs and restricts grown consenting adults from doing certain things with their body, namely abusing hard drugs or engaging in a commercial transaction to aquire them. We set these restrictions on people because hard drugs on an individual level are a form of self-mutilation of both body and soul that makes you more beastly and less human inasmuch as to be human is to be a rational animal, and on a social level is an immediate threat to the polis. Personally, I believe we aren't going far enough in our laws against such substances--while drug users deserve clemency and compassion (which can only be accomplished by forcefully interning them in strict rehabilitation programmes, because such people fundamentally cannot help themselves), drug dealers are poison-peddlers, who profit from the suffering and destruction of men and communities, actively engage in propagating this poison to those previously untouched by it, and are as culpable for this death they caused as are murderers, and should all be shot--the point however is that the basic moral intuition of humanity at large is that people should not be allowed to do whatever they will with their body. You are not allowed to kill yourself. You are not allowed to maim yourself (this includes "gender-affirming surgery"). Error has no rights. The notion that people somehow have a "right" to self-destruct is ludicrous. From where would you derive that right? When in America you drafted your constitution, your founders cited God. Clearly, that cannot be done in this case. That people should feel compelled to accept a neglegt on behalf of the legislative aspect of the social body when it comes to some very clear and very obviously detrimental social ills is entierly baseless. Pornography has no right to exist. Obscenity has no political value. It is not liberty and it is not speech. It contributes in no way to the political freedoms of a community or an individual. It has the same value as a miasmatic swamp, and its supression would be equally as tyrannical and oppressive as when when a gathering of village-men drain the swamp and turn its soil into life-giving farmland.

Boobies bad, calling people nigger good.

This but unironically.

 

[LurkTrawl]

https://www.addictioncenter.com/drugs/sugar-addiction/#:~:text=Some%20studies%20have%20suggested%20that,a%20risk%20of%20sugar%20overindulgence.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2235907/

Well of course, if you are Libertarian to the degree that you believe we should decriminalize heroin and cocaine and let that be sold by big business from vendors on every street,

Well going by the research if you think we should ban porn, you should also believe we should ban sugar. Both are reportedly as addictive as cocaine.

Edit: Thinking on it, if you were to ban sugar you'd probably have less people consuming pornography anyway, as there'd be less fatasses.

 

[Otis Mallebrok]

You clearly can make the distribution of sexually explicit material illegal, without abolishing the first amendment, as it has been mostly illegal for most of US history.

Albeit, and that is important, that was before the internet, and before the existence of videotapes.

I personally I don't think that it would be possible to ban porn today, not without surrendering draconian powers of control and oversight to governments. Governments that without exception has proven undeserving of such trust.

But I wish it were possible. I think that it is no exaggeration, that easy acces til pornography, prostitution, birth control and abortion is destroying both western and eastern civilisation. It turns people into childless coomers and perverted hedonists, whose only commitment is to one's own immediate gratification, and who has no commitment to family, history, God, king or country. Only perversion is left in these empty hulks of once-were-humans.