2023 Israel-Palestine Armed Conflict

[Kane Lives]

I mean, was Israel really struggling with bombing Gaza into rubble before this? I don't see why the Israelis need US military intervention.

Hamas, however, does need somebody to take the pressure off of them which would be Hezbollah/Iran.

I think the idea was that while Israel may be able to bomb Hamas with impunity, it is the idea of street-fighting in the rubble of Gaza that scares them. If you can get the (((goyim))) to do it for free, why not?

But indeed, I don't think this hospital bombing was an intentional thing from the IDF. Someone fucked up and fucked up bad, and now blood will run.

 

[footballteam]

I mean, was Israel really struggling with bombing Gaza into rubble before this? I don't see why the Israelis need US military intervention.

Hamas, however, does need somebody to take the pressure off of them which would be Hezbollah/Iran.

My assumption is that Israel sees this conflict as the "final solution to the Palestinian question", however that would take fighting off the entire middle east, which Israel does not have the manpower to do.

The US has plenty of bodies to send into that meat grinder, though.

 

[Lemmingwiser]

This was fantastic. Bassem Youssef is hilarious and well informed and able to hold his own in a debate, but also Piers Morgan is a cunt and it's always a pleasure to see him squirm. My personal favourite moment was when Bassem cornered him into explaining the proportionality of Palestinian deaths on the West Bank, Piers refused to answer, and pressed after an awkward silence he just said "It's actually not my job to answer your questions", prompting this facial expression:
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I also appreciated him repeating The Daily Wire CEO's words back to him and making him squirm.

Although he was good throughout, I thought his real killshot was at the end, where he talked about how his family as victims of the "most moral army" and shared a picture of their idf bombed building, completely demolished. And then sarcasticly said that it was for the best, because he didn't really know them anyways as they weren't able to visit at his wedding and family events because of the travel restrictions and it's probably good if they were killed by the idf.
After refusing to answer his questions of proportionality, after ignoring him pointing to west bank having no hamas and still palestine child victims, after pointing that the recent hamas attack still had less civilian victims than the idf every year and denying shapiro's comments about the 40 decapitated babies.

If these panels could be compared to murders this was a blood bath.

 

[Fenrir Ratatoskr]

I don't think a Hamas rocket would do that much damage.

Hamas has access to a range of missiles.
I am almost certain it's a Fajr-5 as they have thermobaric warheads.
It's hitting a Hospital which likely has explosive gases (oxygen, anesthetic, fuel for hospital generators)

If it malfunctioned, it would explain the whistle, and likely the trajectory.
It has 175KG aluminum powder warhead equivalent to 262 KG of TNT.
More info:

UPDATE.
Another angle. (UNCONFIRMED)

 

[potato in mah painus]

My assumption is that Israel sees this conflict as the "final solution to the Palestinian question", however that would take fighting off the entire middle east, which Israel does not have the manpower to do.

The US has plenty of bodies to send into that meat grinder, though.

To fight a conflict on that scale the US would have to institute a draft.

Good luck getting the manpower from a disenfranchised male youth, lol if they force it and get some nice Vietnam era disobedience.

 

[ForTheHoard]

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They have a thousand or so more votes since you posted. They might have to SHUT IT DOWN!

 

[Just_Somebody]

I think the idea was that while Israel may be able to bomb Hamas with impunity, it is the idea of street-fighting in the rubble of Gaza that scares them. If you can get the (((goyim))) to do it for free, why not?

But indeed, I don't think this hospital bombing was an intentional thing from the IDF. Someone fucked up and fucked up bad, and now blood will run.

Meh, I don't see the likelihood of the US putting boots on the ground in Israel or Gaza for combat operations. Hasn't happened before, don't see it happening now. Maybe air strikes.

No matter if Israel did it or not (and I'm not convinced at all that Israel did), it's still a PR nightmare. That being said, it would have taken Israel a few days a decade or two ago to deny/deflect/blame somebody else

My assumption is that Israel sees this conflict as the "final solution to the Palestinian question", however that would take fighting off the entire middle east, which Israel does not have the manpower to do.

The US has plenty of bodies to send into that meat grinder, though.

Except, uh, the Israelis have fought off multiple Middle Eastern powers at once, multiple times. Israel wouldn't mind the US whacking out Iran, but it's not like the US doesn't have personal reasons to not like Iran as well. Did the Arabs become competent fighting as an army?

Jordan or Egypt aren't intervening over the fucking Palestinians. Hezbollah might, but I don't see Israel chasing them into Lebanon, but rather keep them away from the border, which they're doing. Syria is a bit of a shitshow and they'd have to cut through the Golan Heights.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

My assumption is that Israel sees this conflict as the "final solution to the Palestinian question", however that would take fighting off the entire middle east, which Israel does not have the manpower to do.

The US has plenty of bodies to send into that meat grinder, though.

If Hezbollah makes a move, this could draw Iran in and laugh all you want at the ragheads but they are formidable on their own. And it would not be just Iranians, it would be Muslims from all over, many of whom have accrued experience fighting our proxies using our weapons and tanks.

lol if they force it

Not arguing about that conflict there but have you seen conscription in the Ukraine? Literally gang-pressing recalcitrant men off the streets. They can and will force it, especially since everyone carries literal tracking devices on them at all times.

 

[Scrumption]

Well looks like the case is closed. It came from Israel, the director of the Al-Ahli Baptist hospital clarifies that they were given warnings apparently saying "We warned you yesterday with two bombs. Why have you not evacuated the hospital until this moment?” Mystery solved.

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https://twitter.com/jacksonhinklle/status/1714440134697930956 ( archive https://archive.ph/63lt3)

If any one can translate that'd be greatly appreciated.

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Here is what I could make of it
"I say to them and to the whole world today that this enemy threatened this hospital in the view of the whole world, and the world is silent doing nothing at all, not taking deterrent or decisive measures against the enemy. The enemy only received a message of reassurance and permission to target the hospital. A massacre happened today, the likes of which we rarely hear of in the present world, but we hear about in bygone eras from which we hear stories of brutality and fascism, represented today by the occupation."

That last bit about brutality is rich coming from the mongoloid clan that both filmed and posted a video of them attempting to behead a live man using a garden hoe, raped women, and burned children and parents alive.

ETA:
"Case Closed"? You think a statement from the director of a Gaza hospital is definitive of the truth? If the director said anything other than exactly what Hamas wants him to say, he'd be gutted like a fish. There should be zero weight to anything he says.

If that is the director giving the speech, the video must have cut off before him saying any of that, if he did indeed say it.

 

[inception_state]

"They"" wanted to invade Iran for a long while. Everyone are drawing new cards here and trying to play their hand.
But I just don't see how the US does that at this point.
I'm not buying that this was the intention.


If Hezbollah attacks, they attack. But why would Israel want them to attack at this moment? What gain do they get?
If anything Hamas wants to draw Hezbollah in.

But this is just 3D chess, who knows what the fuck is going on in 5D.

The only real way that play makes sense is if Israel thinks they can get the US to jump in and handle Hezbollah while they wipe out Hamas. Two Iranian proxies out of play for the price of one. The big question mark is then if Iran would get involved directly... If Hezbollah doesn't get involved, then Israel can just dismantle Hamas unopposed. It might be ugly (war crimes, IDF losses due to urban warfare) but they will win eventually.

The waiting around might be feeling out the US to see what it would take from Hezbollah to get the US involved, and to gauge international opinion regarding invading and potentially occupying Gaza for months. It's going to be a careful balancing act between minimizing IDF losses and managing international opinion. Domestic opinion will sour if the IDF starts taking significant losses, but the international community will get increasingly upset if they just bomb Gaza to rubble to avoid urban warfare.

 

[footballteam]

To fight a conflict on that scale the US would have to institute a draft.

Good luck getting the manpower from a disenfranchised male youth, lol if they force it and get some nice Vietnam era disobedience.

Lol... "Draft our daughters" meme become a reality. Going to see a lot of new, young tradcath woman coming out of the woodwork.

Seriously, though, you could be correct, but it's according to how alliances would break out. The US could probably do fine against any random alliance of Middle East countries, it's according to if China or another major power decides to start flexing at the same time.

It's part of the reason for all the strong pro-israel propaganda going on in the US currently. Mix in a major Islamic terrorist attack on US soil and now you have a million new recruits wanting to go kill Haji.

 

[1Tonka_Truck]

FFS, why is anyone still using them? Did we have that many dumb bombs stored up?

JDAM is the 3rd generation of guidance kits for the Mk 80 series of bombs. GBU-39 will replace them someday, maybe.

 

[LaxerBRO]

What this who dropped da bomb sperging reminds me of:

 

[TheBigZee]

Reminder: The US cannot protect Israel from OIC members sanctioning Israel the way the G7 sanctioned Russia.

 

[Just_Somebody]

Reminder: The US cannot protect Israel from OIC members sanctioning Israel the way the G7 sanctioned Russia.

I mean...sure?

But I don't feel like Israel-OIC trade relations are going to be that great to begin with.

Outside the Palestinian territories, Turkey is their biggest trade partner in the OIC, which is only about 3.17% of their exports. Next is the UAE at 0.53%. Even if these governments stop trading with Israel, the stuff Israel exports are processed and manufactured goods that may not be easily replaced elsewhere.

https://oec.world/en/profile/country/isr

Like, give the Israelis some credit. They may want peace with the Arab world but that peace is fragile, and haven't relied on Arab good graces for their economy like Gaza did

 

[footballteam]

Except, uh, the Israelis have fought off multiple Middle Eastern powers at once, multiple times. Israel wouldn't mind the US whacking out Iran, but it's not like the US doesn't have personal reasons to not like Iran as well. Did the Arabs become competent fighting as an army?

Jordan or Egypt aren't intervening over the fucking Palestinians. Hezbollah might, but I don't see Israel chasing them into Lebanon, but rather keep them away from the border, which they're doing. Syria is a bit of a shitshow and they'd have to cut through the Golan Heights.

This is true as well. But you could make the argument that all happened before the population booms in those countrys and all the American equipment and training that came either through arms dealers (cough... CIA) or in order to fight "terrorism". So it would be a more difficult fight now. Israel would have a very high k/d ratio, but they can't take the losses that a "Iran" could.

I doubt Egypt or Jordan would want to risk their status with the west over Palestine, but their citizens may join up with some Islamic Militia.

 

[Marchesa of the Vast]

Perhaps this conflict can shift into some kino military actions against actual fucking military targets instead of civilians.

 

[Mexican_Wizard_711]

Why do liberals support Hamas? Especially given the fact that Muslims aren't exactly fond of the homofag crowd.

Leftoid Politics can summed up like this:

1. Fuck White People, White People are racists.

2. Fuck America, America and it's military are to blame for every problem in the world.

3. Defend the Muslims, They are poor oppressed brown people.

4. Fuck the Cops

5. Fuck Conservatives and Republicans

6. Save the Blacks, Black people are poor helpless infants.

 

[01169]

My assumption is that Israel sees this conflict as the "final solution to the Palestinian question", however that would take fighting off the entire middle east, which Israel does not have the manpower to do.

The US has plenty of bodies to send into that meat grinder, though.

Let's hope it turns into a final solution for the Muslim question.

 

[Just_Somebody]

This is true as well. But you could make the argument that all happened before the population booms in those countrys and all the American equipment and training that came either through arms dealers (cough... CIA) or in order to fight "terrorism". So it would be a more difficult fight now. Israel would have a very high k/d ratio, but they can't take the losses that a "Iran" could.

I doubt Egypt or Jordan would want to risk their status with the west over palatine, but their citizens may join up with some Islamic Militia.

I'm sure it wouldn't be that easy, but the biggest concern for Israel would be Hezbollah and Syria, and both have their own issues. Saudi Arabia has a laughably incompetent military even with all of their training and US made goodies. Iran isn't really close enough to strike Israel directly, thus Hezbollah/Hamas.

So Sinai Insurgency/ISIS part 2 for Egypt? It's possible. Egypt did finally put down their insurgency early this year (and the Sinai Insurgency, to Egypt, is Hamas' fault). Even if it's resurgent, or say, some new Palestinian group grows in Jordan, both countries know those groups threaten their power as much as Israel. I mean, look at the strangehold Hezbollah has on southern Lebanon? No authoritarian leader wants that shit.