2023 Israel-Palestine Armed Conflict

[quackrock]

This is true as well. But you could make the argument that all happened before the population booms in those countrys and all the American equipment and training that came either through arms dealers (cough... CIA) or in order to fight "terrorism".

There's a lot more to warfighting than manpower and equipment. Good time to read this classic column from 1999:

Why Arabs Lose Wars

Arabic-speaking armies have been generally ineffective in the modern era. Egyptian regular forces did poorly against Yemeni irregulars in the 1960s.1 Syrians could only impose their will in Lebanon during the mid-1970s by the use of overwhelming

www.meforum.org

Executive summary:

Why this unimpressive record? There are many factors—economic, ideological, technical—but perhaps the most important has to do with culture and certain societal attributes which inhibit Arabs from producing an effective military force.

Kenneth Pollack concludes his exhaustive study of Arab military effectiveness by noting that "certain patterns of behavior fostered by the dominant Arab culture were the most important factors contributing to the limited military effectiveness of Arab armies and air forces from 1945 to 1991." These attributes included over-centralization, discouraging initiative, lack of flexibility, manipulation of information, and the discouragement of leadership at the junior officer level.

It would be difficult to exaggerate the cultural gulf separating American and Arab military cultures. In every significant area, American military advisors find students who enthusiastically take in their lessons and then resolutely fail to apply them. The culture they return to—the culture of their own armies in their own countries—defeats the intentions with which they took leave of their American instructors.

This part aged well, or poorly depending on your level of cynicism:

The presumed close U.S.-Israel relationship, thought to be operative at all levels, aggravates and complicates this penchant for secrecy. Arabs believe that the most mundane details about them are somehow transmitted to the Mossad via a secret hotline.This explains why a U.S. advisor with Arab forces is likely to be asked early and often about his opinion of the "Palestine problem," then subjected to monologues on the presumed Jewish domination of the United States.

 

[Rei is Shit.]

There are a few issues with the rocket/bomb/hospital that don't seem to be getting a lot of coverage.

Firstly there were two distinct explosions in quick succession;
Explosion #1

Explosion #2 a couple seconds later

Here are both combined to make the relative locations obvious;

Given that the first explosion is much closer to the horizon than the hospital there is a considerable distance between them, ie the first explosion is very unlikely to have caused the second

But there is a bigger issue of the large column of smoke near the first explosion. Here it is highlighted by the flash from the first explosion;

This is for sure a large column of smoke as it can be seen moving in the background of the hospital;


So why did this first explosion occur near a bunch of smoke/already burning material? I think there are only two real explanations;
1. Something explosive cooked off after an earlier strike/accident
2. This was a followup attack on a target that had been hit prior

Now maybe a piece of rocket debris just happened to land and explode next to some already burning buildings, and another piece landed and blew up at a hospital some blocks away. With all of this happening 6-8 seconds after the rocket was hit during its ascent phase meaning it was just 2-300m high at the time.....

Hold up, if you have information saying the B52 was in design stages during World War Two, I want to read them because that would actually be really based

The B-47 was being designed at the end of WW2. They had some really retarded ideas about where to stick the engines on it until they raided Junkers.

Friendship ended with APARTHEID ZIONIST REGIME , now APOSTATE DOG IRAN is my best friend

https://nitter.net/officejjsmart/status/1714465160545415344

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>try to get rapprochement between Israel and SA
>get rapprochement between Iran and SA instead
THE US STATE DEPARTMENT IS MAKING KINO

 

[King George III]

Rate me late if this has been posted already, but Hezbollah announces "day of unprecedented anger" in response to hospital attack


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[Cantaloupe52]

Here is what I could make of it
"I say to them and to the whole world today that this enemy threatened this hospital in the view of the whole world, and the world is silent doing nothing at all, not taking deterrent or decisive measures against the enemy. The enemy only received a message of reassurance and permission to target the hospital. A massacre happened today, the likes of which we rarely hear of in the present world, but we hear about in bygone eras from which we hear stories of brutality and fascism, represented today by the occupation."

That last bit about brutality is rich coming from the mongoloid clan that both filmed and posted a video of them attempting to behead a live man using a garden hoe, raped women, and burned children and parents alive.

ETA:
"Case Closed"? You think a statement from the director of a Gaza hospital is definitive of the truth? If the director said anything other than exactly what Hamas wants him to say, he'd be gutted like a fish. There should be zero weight to anything he says.

If that is the director giving the speech, the video must have cut off before him saying any of that, if he did indeed say it.

Hamas has already denounced the claim of them using artillery on hospitals, Israel claims that it was a malfunctioning missile that some how hit the hospital. Israel originally claimed that the bombing was to target Hamas members hiding in hospitals, we now know that's false as a majority of the victims were either young children, hospital staff, or women.

But beyond their claims Israel is already well known to do both roof knocking (using rockets with no warheads to warn Gazans to evacuate buildings) along with actual phone calls and social media warnings of timed missile strikes. Mind you this always doesn't work, because they may hit unintended buildings and people that leave their homes late.

There is also this article from Oct 15 2023 of the exact same hospital being struck prior. How there's any debate of this not being Israel is beyond me.

https://archive.ph/Jk35x

 

[Jump]

Friendship ended with APARTHEID ZIONIST REGIME , now APOSTATE DOG IRAN is my best friend

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Oh perfect timing. Good thing 'ol Joe drew down the STRATEGIC Petroleum Reserves in a short sighted attempt at keeping fuel prices low for political reasons.



Out of control inflation, ME on fire, beef with the USSR Russia, and next up energy shortages.
We really are going to relive the 1970s.

 

[quackrock]

https://archive.ph/Jk35x

Here's a direct link for those getting captchawalled by archive:

https://www.archbishopofcanterbury.org/news/news-and-statements/gaza-hospitals-are-facing-catastrophe-says-archbishop-canterbury

 

[TheBigZee]

I mean...sure?

But I don't feel like Israel-OIC trade relations are going to be that great to begin with.

The most damaging form of sanctions make you pick which side you want to do business with.

 

[Ballistics]

There are a few issues with the rocket/bomb/hospital that don't seem to be getting a lot of coverage.

Firstly there were two distinct explosions in quick succession;
Explosion #1

Explosion #2 a couple seconds later

Here are both combined to make the relative locations obvious;

Given that the first explosion is much closer to the horizon than the hospital there is a considerable distance between them, ie the first explosion is very unlikely to have caused the second

But there is a bigger issue of the large column of smoke near the first explosion. Here it is highlighted by the flash from the first explosion;

This is for sure a large column of smoke as it can be seen moving in the background of the hospital;


So why did this first explosion occur near a bunch of smoke/already burning material? I think there are only two real explanations;
1. Something explosive cooked off after an earlier strike/accident
2. This was a followup attack on a target that had been hit prior

Now maybe a piece of rocket debris just happened to land and explode next to some already burning buildings, and another piece landed and blew up at a hospital some blocks away. With all of this happening 6-8 seconds after the rocket was hit during its ascent phase meaning it was just 2-300m high at the time.....

We are getting dangerously close to Al-Ahli Hospital was an inside job.

 

[LaxerBRO]

Rate me late if this has been posted already, but Hezbollah announces "day of unprecedented anger" in response to hospital attack
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Is this like double secret Jihad detention?

 

[William Tyndale]

Says the ricecel who probably can't find Israel and Ukraine on a map but can identify any lolicon doujin from a screenshot 1/50 of the page.

That graph was created by @MMS-China (or at least originally posted by him) in a reply to me in the “who do you support in the Russia/Israeli war” thread.

 

[Tilapia]

There is also this article from Oct 15 2023 of the exact same hospital being struck prior. How there's any debate of this not being Israel is beyond me.

It's beyond you, really? Given Hamas's track record of setting up base in hospitals and schools and religious sites, firing off rockets from civilian areas, paragliding into Israel just to do a rape & murder spree of a kibbutz and a music festival (full of left-wing Israelis more inclined to sympathize with their cause!), and generally not giving a single fuck about the well-being of the people who live in Gaza? I get why people distrust the IDF, but I do not understand why distrusting the IDF means that I must trust therefore Palestinians at their word, when they are also pathological liars who constantly play victim and blame the Jews every time they make their bad situation even worse.

 

[quackrock]

We really are going to relive the 1970s.

Nah, the US is a net oil exporter now. All the more reason to disengage from the Middle East. If OPEC freaks out embargoes us again like they did in 1973, which was a direct response to our military aid for Israel during the Yom Kippur War by the way, we'll just reopen the fracking fields and put ten thousand roughnecks back to work. My impression is that the recent fracking bust was an intentional result of OPEC raising production to keep prices low.

 

[Rei is Shit.]

Oh perfect timing. Good thing 'ol Joe drew down the STRATEGIC Petroleum Reserves in a short sighted attempt at keeping fuel prices low for political reasons.

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Out of control inflation, ME on fire, beef with the USSR Russia, and next up energy shortages.
We really are going to relive the 1970s.
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All of this tangentially involves Egypt and Sinai. We could be getting a Suez canal lockdown as well!

 

[borsabil]

Hamas has access to a range of missiles.
I am almost certain it's a Fajr-5 as they have thermobaric warheads.
It's hitting a Hospital which likely has explosive gases (oxygen, anesthetic, fuel for hospital generators)

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If it malfunctioned, it would explain the whistle, and likely the trajectory.
It has 175KG aluminum powder warhead equivalent to 262 KG of TNT.
More info:

UPDATE.
Another angle. (UNCONFIRMED)

Dude if Hamas had missiles that could demolish large buildings in one fell swoop show me the Israeli buildings that they've knocked down in the same way.

I'm something of a neutral when it comes to the middle east. While on the one hand I hate Jews on the other I recognise that Palestinians are human scum. I was prepared to believe that Hamas let off a truck bomb that destroyed the hospital as a false flag, I'm sure they're capable. But now we have video showing it was a missile or a bomb with a big warhead it could only have been Israel. And everyone, including you, knows this.

Best option for the Jewish state is to admit it, claim human error, cancel the ground invasion (they don't want to go in anyway) and avoid a multifront war that they can't win. However Israel is controlled by ideological and religious lunatics who seem to want a massive war with the Arabs and Persians, which btw lends to the notion that the bombing was in fact deliberate,

 

[Rei is Shit.]

Nah, the US is a net oil exporter now. All the more reason to disengage from the Middle East. If OPEC freaks out embargoes us again like they did in 1973, which was a direct response to our military aid for Israel during the Yom Kippur War by the way, we'll just reopen the fracking fields and put ten thousand roughnecks back to work. My impression is that the recent fracking bust was an intentional result of OPEC raising production to keep prices low.

The US exports a bunch of light crude so it can import heavy crude to make diesel and gasoline. Fuel prices will be fucked beyond belief if the Arabs do a little embargoing.

 

[LaxerBRO]

Nah, the US is a net oil exporter now. All the more reason to disengage from the Middle East. If OPEC freaks out embargoes us again like they did in 1973, which was a direct response to our military aid for Israel during the Yom Kippur War by the way, we'll just reopen the fracking fields and put ten thousand roughnecks back to work. My impression is that the recent fracking bust was an intentional result of OPEC raising production to keep prices low.

It will take about 3 to 6 months minimum to bring the fields online and for that product to reach the pumps.

 

[ForTheHoard]

The US exports a bunch of light crude so it can import heavy crude to make diesel and gasoline. Fuel prices will be fucked beyond belief if the Arabs do a little embargoing.

I'm curious if these threats cause us to open up domestic drilling again. The ME threatening to shut off all the oil 3 years ago wouldn't have meant shit. Now, it's a problem.

 

[Tilapia]

Dude if Hamas had missiles that could demolish large buildings in one fell swoop show me the Israeli buildings that they've knocked down in the same way.

Israel has many defense systems, including the Iron Dome. Otherwise the indiscriminate rocket fire from Hamas legitimately would do a shitload of damage. Meanwhile, Gaza does not have defense systems to protect itself against Hamas retards.

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

#Lebanon #Israel Protesters throw stones at the French embassy in Beirut, Lebanon following the airstrike on the Gaza hospital.

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Let's make peace and blame the frogs for everything.

 

[quackrock]

It will take about 3 to 6 months minimum to bring the fields online and for that product to reach the pumps.

Good thing we have that strategic res— oh