Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[Strix454]

To be fair, she hid her hair under a camo helmet pretty well (and then taped bright blue tape all over herself like the rest of her team..)

Has anyone seen them tape themselves like that before? The only thing I can guess is that they are more scared of friendly fire than Russian fire. It defeats their own camo and its a color that really stands out.

 

[Betonhaus]

Has anyone seen them tape themselves like that before? The only thing I can guess is that they are more scared of friendly fire than Russian fire. It defeats their own camo and its a color that really stands out.

Or it could mean "we would like to surrender if given the opportunity so don't drop grenades on us please and thank you"

 

[Corn Syrup Connoisseur]

The only thing I can guess is that they are more scared of friendly fire than Russian fire. It defeats their own camo and its a color that really stands out.

Or it could mean "we would like to surrender if given the opportunity so don't drop grenades on us please and thank you"

I think it's more the case of "Inexperienced Tiktok brigade getting their first taste of actual combat."
The advertising for 47th was that they were starting off a "fresh slate" away from "muh stupid Soviet Doctrine".
That's why a lot of the officers were fresh off the NATO speedlane training, while all the grunts just went through basic training to operate the NATO wunderwaffle.

 

[Gondolindrim]

I think it's more the case of "Inexperienced Tiktok brigade getting their first taste of actual combat."
The advertising for 47th was that they were starting off a "fresh slate" away from muh stupid Soviet Doctrine.
That's why a lot of the officers were fresh off the NATO speedlane training, while all the grunts just went through basic training to operate the NATO wunderwaffle.

Sorry to keep bringing it up, but Ukraine and Israel really feel like an instance where a lot of young people are learning in real time what an actual, no shit war is like and it's not going well. These are not people who ever expected to go to the front line.

 

[Kid Named Rocket]

Here is at least the summary from the author of the article on Twitter:
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It may sound like a clever plan, but there's just one problem with it: from the way things are looking, Zelensky will probably never accept the fact he can't win against Russia. Chances are, he'll turn around and pin all the blame on his Western """partners""" the moment reality finally sinks in.

 

[Midwit]

The English Civil War is usually NOT covered. The English Bill of Rights of 1689 tended to be covered in the past, but is no longer considered acceptable material for Roman Catholic Americans. Anything explicitly protestant or protestant-adjacent really isn't acceptable anymore in the story of America that it tells itself.

The English Civil War is something that often gets glossed over despite it being one of the most important events in British history, it barely even gets covered in England in favour of the giant retard wars from the early 20th century.

I seriously still can't understand how the fuck this got voted into white house

Dialectics and their consequences have been a disaster for Western democracies.

Chances are, he'll turn around and pin all the blame on his Western """partners""" the moment reality finally sinks in.

The classic American ally to terrorist benefactor pipeline.

 

[Strix454]

It may sound like a clever plan, but there's just one problem with it: from the way things are looking, Zelensky will probably never accept the fact he can't win against Russia. Chances are, he'll turn around and pin all the blame on his Western """partners""" the moment reality finally sinks in.

Guys like Zelensky if they don't listen and don't take the hints tend to get overthrown in coups. The western media will line up behind any narrative they come up with to justify it.

 

[Lorne Armstrong]

What I don’t understand is why the Western Powers think Putler would want to negotiate? It’s like they assume that he’ll come to the table whenever called and accept whatever he’s offered because why exactly?

 

[Sister Miriam Godwinson]

What I don’t understand is why the Western Powers think Putler would want to negotiate? It’s like they assume that he’ll come to the table whenever called and accept whatever he’s offered because why exactly?

Because he did it in the past with the Misk Accords, I guess. Also because Moscow's official stance is "Call us when you are serious but remember that the longer it goes, the higher the price is going to be". I feel like they are forgetting about the second part.

 

[Betonhaus]

What I don’t understand is why the Western Powers think Putler would want to negotiate? It’s like they assume that he’ll come to the table whenever called and accept whatever he’s offered because why exactly?

These are the people who still half-heartedly believe that Putin will give up Crimera if they negotiate hard enough. They don't bother to understand their enemy and just treat Putin as a surmountable boogeyman who while hop exactly as expected. Same thing as how if you ask a conservative to make a liberal argument they won't like it but can do it but if you ask a liberal they haven't the faintest idea.

I think in the next few months the west will concede that winning the war is impossible, but will refuse to acknowledge that their terms are unrealistic and so the war will continue until it's way too close to the elections for comfort. Then I expect the Democrats to try to end the war for a political win only to be horrified that they can't.

 

[prolapsed_cranium]

Has anyone seen them tape themselves like that before? The only thing I can guess is that they are more scared of friendly fire than Russian fire. It defeats their own camo and its a color that really stands out.

Initially they wore hi-vis yellow armbands and that continued for years.

Now that we're on the third version (maybe this is the 3.5/4th interation) of the army, the quality of training, command and control, and the caliber of the draftees has tanked. The safest way to prevent FF is to wear all this shit.

 

[MrJokerRager]

It's over for Putler.

Big Chungus inbound to take back the McDonald's in Moscow.

 

[Halmaz]

Has anyone seen them tape themselves like that before? The only thing I can guess is that they are more scared of friendly fire than Russian fire. It defeats their own camo and its a color that really stands out.

I don't know why they do this. It kinda reninds me of recent Far Cry games, where the opponents wear brigthly colored clothing items, on top of their military gear. I wouldn't be surprised, if that was the actual inspiration. Then again, Russians do the same, they only use slightly more appropiate colors. I think it is to preven friendly fire, as camo has become a meme in this war. There is no point blending in, if there are drones spotting your every move in 4K all day every day.

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

Then I expect the Democrats to try to end the war for a political win only to be horrified that they can't.

All but certain that if Trump wins Putin will end it after orange man bad is in power because he'll get most of what he wants and the American idiots will tear Trump apart for ending the war. Their media will claim that Putin started the war to get Trump re-elected as their saner conspiracy theories.

 

[MrJokerRager]

What I don’t understand is why the Western Powers think Putler would want to negotiate? It’s like they assume that he’ll come to the table whenever called and accept whatever he’s offered because why exactly?

Western powers are led by smug midwit shitlibs who think they know the "science" on negotiating with people like Putin. Or anyone else outside the "West" as well.

 

[Echo_Ender]

Zelensky is going to find himself removed by a coup if the war drags on long enough or assassinated by "Russian Sympathizer Terrorists" if he keeps shit-talking his benefactors.

The Cluster Munitions thing is brutal and Ukraine brought it on themselves. Whole platoons are going to quickly be wiped out and their logistics are going to be overwhelmed with grievously wounded troops.

As for the wiped out unit with the blue tape all over, it's definitely to prevent friendly fire. It means that they realistically consider breaking camo and giving away their positions to the enemy to be less dangerous than the potential of friendly fire. That says a lot.

 

[DagothUr]

That video was interesting, here's my review:
- Looks like they withdrew at the end in bradleys(?). Of course dangerhair was the first to the vehicle lol. I'm not sure if the second bradley that was there was to drop off their replacements, or if they actaully just evacuated the entire section.
- No idea what they were shooting at in the trenches, or throwing grenades at. The cuts in the video was making it hard to follow, but it didn't look like there were any Russians?
- There's that small glimpse of a tank, or some sort of turreted vehicle, driving around when they are trying to get an RPG (dont know if it was a Russian tank in the end because I don't speak AlcHoholic/RuZZian) that I'm kind of surprised would have driven up that close.
- You can hear a lot of explosions and shooting but it doesn't sound particularly close to them except a couple times where you can hear the bullets flying by, and tree branches getting cut up. I'm surprised how accurate films get the sound of artillery and shit.
- lol @ the woman shaking in fear like she has parkinsons while trying to treat the wounded, while the chud leader gets hit by shrapnel and barely even flinches.
- A couple shots looking over the parapet showing absolutely nothing. You would never see who is shooting at you or even where from.

I'm guessing these are some of the conscripts the 47th uses to fill up their devastated numbers, which is probably why they seemed kind of unsure about what they were doing.
And it's pretty good footage to see what it's like for niggers in the trenches, you just have to sit in a hole while bullets and bombs go off randomly. Scary.

Can anyone explain how a tank would be used in this situation, or how the russians would attack a trench section like that? I can't imagine they can just walk over the field, or that tanks could really do much by themselves when there's an abundance of anti-tank weapons at hand. I'm assuming you don't have creeping barrages or even really any sort massed artillery barrages on the line, or weapons like flamethrowers.
Both sides are able to at least sometimes pull off successful attacks on trenches and capture ground, so there must be some method that works.

His Twitter, pre-offensive, is a gold mine of cringe

N'wah really gonna say that without posting pics?

 

[Corn Syrup Connoisseur]

N'wah really gonna say that without posting pics?

Pre counteroffensyiiv takes from Ukraine supporters are time a dozen.

 

[Betonhaus]

As for the wiped out unit with the blue tape all over, it's definitely to prevent friendly fire. It means that they realistically consider breaking camo and giving away their positions to the enemy to be less dangerous than the potential of friendly fire. That says a lot.

If camo becomes useless, could we go back to the super stylish uniforms of pre-WWII?

 

[No Scope]

From this longer yt video, age restricted: https://youtu.be/Ee22F99uWNE

Wanted to add some additional comments after watching the video in it's entirety.

* 4:45 - This guy is removing 5.56 rounds off the stripper clips. WTF? Did NATO not show them there are spoons you can use to load the clips into the magazines? I know there are stripper clips and spoons made for AK74's.
* 6.59 - I see the one soldier to the right setting aside his M16, full length 20" BBL w/A2 buttstock. (The buttstock can be seen at 7:01 between the guy's legs when he stands up.) Why the fuck are they using different caliber rifles, 5.56 and 5.45 in the same unit? It must be a logistical nightmare to get resupplied if they're just fighting in static positions. If they were at least storming trenches they can do a battlefield pick-up of your enemy's rifle. However, you will spend time rearming yourself with the dead guy's magazines being put into your pouches and it only takes a split second before you catch a bullet in that moment while doing so.
* 29.27 - Why does this guy have a suppressed M4 w/ACOG optic. I would think special units doing convert operations would get this kind of gear and not regular units fighting on the front line trenches.

I don't have any military experience, but I'm familiar with firearms and my assessment of the video is . . . If I was forced to fight for the Ukraine. I would absolutely martyr myself by killing as many hohol true believers. It's most likely the chances of me getting to surrender to the Russians will be low. What a needless display of human life being sent to the meat grinder. It's too bad that the current soldiers conscripted weren't the ones that died early in the war. The chance for peace talks has passed and it's mostly due to Western nations meddling.

- There's that small glimpse of a tank, or some sort of turreted vehicle, driving around when they are trying to get an RPG (dont know if it was a Russian tank in the end because I don't speak AlcHoholic/RuZZian) that I'm kind of surprised would have driven up that close.

If you have armored units that close, I would absolutely expect infantry to follow it. Hence, your position is getting overrun. Him standing up in the open about to fire off that RPG makes him a prime target to get shot in the back. It sure doesn't look like his buddies are covering him at all.

EDITED: Did not want to create a separate post. So I added the above.