Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[Anasûrimbor Kellhus]

I'm just astounded by the goal shifting and cope. The "crimea by summer" people now claiming that losing is actually winning because uhhhh russia didn't win in 3 days? Granted Russia messed up bigly at the beginning of the war, I think in part from assuming that ukraine would just capitulate after the initial shock and awe, but once they realized it was going to be a slog and there would be no negotiations, I don't see how you can sell what's happening now as anything other than a russian victory, and it is not just a pyrrhic one. The west's economic weapons are no longer the boogey man they once were, Russia as I understand it has not actually tapped into the man power they could (in fact even with the higher casualities, aren't most of those people like violent criminals, so as far as I can see russia taking some manpower losses is just them cleaning up their criminal scum), and likewise the war hasn't improved but also hasn't harmed the average russian citizens' experience living in russia from what I've heard from people living in russia.

I can maybe, MAYBE, understand this viewpoint if you are a chest beating america empire supremacist. Ok you bled ivan without spending a single US soldier. But this is assuming that the US is doing great right now, and it really isn't. Political fractures are worse than ever, recruitment crisis is spiraling out of control, MILLIONS of people are invading the southern border, the troons are everywhere, inflation inflation inflation, and I could go on and on. At this point all russia has to do is sit back while america destroys itself. Hurting russia isn't enough there has to be some sort of tangible benefit to america itself for you to sell it to me as a murican W.

 

[Susanna]

aren't most of those people like violent criminals, so as far as I can see russia taking some manpower losses is just them cleaning up their criminal scum

Casualty rates on either side are nowhere near high enough that you could call the war "cleaning up criminal scum". Recruiting from prisons 100% is doing harm to society. Many of these ex-cons are already out and menacing civilians, and many more will join them when the war ends. They won't just be criminals, they'll be veteran criminals, with all the extra mental damage that entails. We will 100% pay a higher price for this stupid recruitment stunt than just conscripting more youth would have cost.

 

[The Foxtrot]

Casualty rates on either side are nowhere near high enough that you could call the war "cleaning up criminal scum". Recruiting from prisons 100% is doing harm to society. Many of these ex-cons are already out and menacing civilians, and many more will join them when the war ends. They won't just be criminals, they'll be veteran criminals, with all the extra mental damage that entails. We will 100% pay a higher price for this stupid recruitment stunt than just conscripting more youth would have cost.

The only way using criminals in a war works is if you're deliberately sending them into situations where you know they're not going to survive, and then abandoning them when they arrive to their destination. Like sending them into an area of heavy fighting with barely any equipment/shoddy equipment.

 

[Anasûrimbor Kellhus]

Casualty rates on either side are nowhere near high enough that you could call the war "cleaning up criminal scum". Recruiting from prisons 100% is doing harm to society. Many of these ex-cons are already out and menacing civilians, and many more will join them when the war ends. They won't just be criminals, they'll be veteran criminals, with all the extra mental damage that entails. We will 100% pay a higher price for this stupid recruitment stunt than just conscripting more youth would have cost.

Point. I did see that article about those cannibals that got released due to their time on the field. I suppose to rephrase what I mean is that Russia tended to pay the price for some of the biggest "grinds" like Bakhmut, with worthless criminals (through wagner or otherwise) over professional soldiers, so even if I'm wrong regarding clearing out criminal scum the higher causality rates for places like bakhmut or avdiika is a meaningless thing to parade around by the anti-russian side when a lot of them are criminals rather than the bread and butter of russian society.

You bring up a good point though, I imagine it will not be fun to see what happens when the criminals that did survive get back into society.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

[My money is on Taylor Swift because clown world]

You're welcome everybody! Where do I collect my winnings?

 

[The Foxtrot]

You're welcome everybody! Where do I collect my winnings?

You win free Vodka, bread, and sausage for a year, comrade!

 

[The Ugly One]

Ukrainian defeat is now locked. Everyone knows this, especially the Ukrainians but they keep on throwing the seed corn of their nation into the grinder because reasons. It's turned into a weird ritualistic mass sacrifice. Perhaps there's some Satanic motivation behind it or they're just too stupid to know when they've been beat? For those who think this will be a long endless grind I disagree. When the Ukrainian collapse happens it will be sudden and rapid and it 100% will happen.

It's because America pays the Ukrainian government's salaries. Either Kiev keeps sending boys and young mothers to the meat grinder, or America pulls the funds, and the state collapses. When government employees aren't getting their paychecks, it's over. It's the exact same trick we pulled with the Russian Provisional Government in 1917. Consequently, the only real options Ukrainians have are to either march off to the killing fields or to overthrow their government, since Zelensky has indefinitely canceled elections, and any politician interested in peace ends up jailed or assassinated anyway.

Granted Russia messed up bigly at the beginning of the war, I think in part from assuming that ukraine would just capitulate after the initial shock and awe

Ukraine was going to capitulate after the initial shock and awe. What they miscalculated was how much NATO would twist Ukraine's arm into sacrificing the lifeblood of their nation to achieve American strategic goals in the Black Sea.

 

[Susanna]

What they miscalculated was how much NATO would twist Ukraine's arm into sacrificing the lifeblood of their nation to achieve American strategic goals in the Black Sea.

Which is what makes NATO aspirations so strange to me, from any nation. What, exactly, do they think NATO is?

 

[The Ugly One]

Which is what makes NATO aspirations so strange to me, from any nation. What, exactly, do they think NATO is?

A graft machine that makes the Soviet arms industry look like a church bake sale.

 

[Greggs]

Constantly watching this conflict makes me want to shoot my computer

Do, Or do not, there is no want.

 

[The giant penis of doom]

As for cleaning up criminal scum, I'm not even sure it would be a good idea if it succeeded. The next decades promise to be turbulent. Your country might need men with violent instincts. Western/European/Christian justice systems weeded out violence from the population for more than a thousand years, no wonder white people are so meek compared to many others.

 

[White_N]

Absolutely unhinged

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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67641500

 

[Sneed's Feed And Seed]

I too am a woman

You're on Kiwifarms. Not only will you NBAW, you grew a penis as soon as you signed up.

 

[God of Nothing]

Absolutely unhinged

That Inglorious Bastards shit is only effective when you have a chance of winning and actively are.

 

[Dr. Kinder]

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You're welcome everybody! Where do I collect my winnings?

That's a biological man. Look at the face. Look at the arrangement of the facial features. Look at the brow. Look at that man. Look at that mighty fine man. That's a man, man! TAYLOR SWIFT IS LITERALLY A MAN. CAN YOU SEE IT?? I'M NOT TAKING CRAZYPILLS. CAN YOU SEE IT??

 

[Susanna]

That's a biological man. Look at the face. Look at the arrangement of the facial features. Look at the brow. Look at that man. Look at that mighty fine man. That's a man, man! TAYLOR SWIFT IS LITERALLY A MAN. CAN YOU SEE IT?? I'M NOT TAKING CRAZYPILLS. CAN YOU SEE IT??

No, she just has really unfortunate bone structure. She's like 1.8m tall, it comes with the territory.
If she were a tranny don't you think that piece of shit Kanye West would have used it against her? Or that any of her exes would have slipped up?

 

[Tumbo II]

Now that this has become a war of attrition and the much hyped counter offensive has failed miserably. Where do things go from here has the West created another forever war or will Ukraine crumble under itself leading to an eventual Russian victory?

 

[Project Zircon]

What strikes me as ridiculous is that ever junior combat arms captain could tell you the counter-offensive was doomed to fail.

You can’t build maneuver brigades in eight weeks. You can’t get crews proficient on 9000 types of armoured vehicles in eight weeks. You can’t logistically support or even consider maintaining such a vast array of different vehicles in that short a time.

Everyone knew that was going to be all the equipment Ukraine was going to get and that the manpower that would be consumed wouldn’t be replenished for years. They threw it all away with frontal assaults into prepared defensive positions. How could NATO leadership have been so stupid as to recommend a concentrated attack on a position that anyone could see was the obvious objective and that the Ukrainians themselves broadcast to the world?

How sad it is that the cream of youth of both the Ukrainians and Russians has been consumed due to poor planning. The Ukrainians and especially NATO in their operational planning has been deficit in innovation. The Ukrainians who by the very nature of this war are now more experienced in large scale conventional operations than anyone in NATO are both patronized by NATO staff officers and ignored by their own government.

Political messaging got in the way of basic military science. The tempo of operations was dictated by the West’s intrinsic Russophobia. Even now these HECKIN NAFO FELLAS can’t comprehend that the Russians are intelligent and capable force. The cognitive dissonance required for the Ukrainians to make poor decisions and be surprised by failure.

The Russians have made mistakes, don’t get me wrong but they are willing to adapt and change tactics while Ukraine and NATO keep wondering why the Desert Storm Playbook isn’t working. The Russian MIC rose to the challenge of meeting the material needs of sustaining Russian operations while the West has done nothing and act surprised by being out produced.

When Ukraine inevitably loses this war, as they were destined from the start, the myopia of the West to adept won’t be considered and even reviewed. Russophobia has rotted the West’s brains.

 

[Suah Noteb]

What's hilarious is that when this all blows over and countries will want to replenish their miliary supplies, their only high volume option is to buy Russian surplus. Maybe Chinese stuff but that will probably be maxed out by countries Russia will refuse to sell to.

 

[Dr. Kinder]

If she were a tranny don't you think that piece of shit Kanye West would have used it against her? Or that any of her exes would have slipped up?

... Don't you think that's why Barack and Michael Hussein had Joan Rivers assassinated? To ensure that nobody would ever "slip up" like that again?