Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[LORD IMPERATOR]

This is one of the lamest moments in all of Star Wars. It's like Arya killing the Night's King level writing. Where it completely neuters and diminishes the villains for every other story they are involved in. Why would anyone fear the Empire when tiny midget hamster looking creatures can assault and destroy their best imperial armor and stormtroopers with sticks and rocks?

That's because Lucas was just speed-running to the ending and wanted to ham-fist in a lesson about how dedicated fighters from some low-tech shithole can defeat a superpower. If the Empire was Nixon's America, the Ewoks were the Viet Cong, even though in reality, the Viet Cong relied just as much on hardware as the USA did. They didn't fight Yankees with sticks and stones but with guns. It would've made things more believable if the Ewoks had guns stolen from a nearby Imperial supply depot; small targets hiding in trees carrying guns would've been deadly.

It also makes the Jedi look pathetic and incompetent. If Order 66 was to genocide all Ewoks then the Empire would have failed. Yet when it came to hunting down the most dangerous and fearsome warriors in existence they are able to kill all but a few dozen Jedi spread across galaxies and worlds? Star Wars never takes the 'war' part seriously at least with Lucas. But the Ewoks are the worst example of how silly the franchise is willing to get in a full scale deadly war.

Order 66 worked because the Jedi trusted the clones and worked with them willingly, which made the betrayal work. The moment the Jedi realized the clones wanted them dead, they were more than capable of killing clones in face-to-face battles, which necessitated Vader or the Inquisitors being brought in to finish the Jedi off.

 

[Ghostse]

Yet when it came to hunting down the most dangerous and fearsome warriors in existence they are able to kill all but a few dozen Jedi spread across galaxies and worlds?

Have you not been keeping up? At this point more Jedi survived Order 66 than entire membership of the Jedi Order before Order 66.

I mean the supposed Order 66. Its a hoax.
Order 66 is a Jedish lie to further the myth of them being oppressed. You Force Botherers really need to find a new line to shill "muh Jedi oppression".

Order 66 worked because the Jedi trusted the clones and worked with them willingly, which made the betrayal work. The moment the Jedi realized the clones wanted them dead, they were more than capable of killing clones in face-to-face battles, which necessitated Vader or the Inquisitors being brought in to finish the Jedi off.

Ok smart guy.
If Order 66 was real, why would Palatine - who was already popular and about to hand over his emergency powers - use ground troops and not just orbital bombardment? Hell, why not just order them into a Star Destroyer with hyperdrive set to the middle of a sun?
I'm not even going to ask if you've decided if it was brain chips or mental programming, you lot keep changing your minds.

The Jedi Internet Defense Force types are all so tiresome. Its like you have brainchips and only repeat what [[[someone]]] told you was true instead of thinking for yourselves.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Have you not been keeping up? At this point more Jedi survived Order 66 than entire membership of the Jedi Order before Order 66.

Not really. I mean, even if five percent of the Jedi survived, that would at least give us 500 Jedi left. And that's a conservative estimate.

Ok smart guy.
If Order 66 was real, why would Palatine - who was already popular and about to hand over his emergency powers - use ground troops and not just orbital bombardment? Hell, why not just order them into a Star Destroyer with hyperdrive set to the middle of a sun?
I'm not even going to ask if you've decided if it was brain chips or mental programming, you lot keep changing your minds.

Because it's easier. And you don't really need a Star Destroyer to kill a Jedi who's probably exhausted, and who won't be able to defend himself if the 60-odd clones behind him, whom he trusts with his life, all started firing at him.

Really, using a star destroyer's guns on a Jedi is like using an axe to cut butter. It'll work, but the table will be a mess.

The Jedi Internet Defense Force types are all so tiresome. Its like you have brainchips and only repeat what [[[someone]]] told you was true instead of thinking for yourselves.

I really can't win with you people, can't I? I defend the bad guys, you people get pissy. I defend the good guys, you people get pissy. If you hate both sides, why do you even bother with Star Wars?

Next time, watch the movies. Kenobi was unable to defend himself from the 212th, and just ran away from them, but once he made peace with the fact that the clones were their enemies, he and Yoda had no problems cutting down 501st Legion clones AFTER Order 66.

It's hard for a Jedi who's probably getting tired in the middle of a battle to defend against several dozen friends of his who suddenly turned into foes and started firing at him. But if he survived that, made peace with the fact that his clone allies were now his enemies, and got some rest, he'd be able to cut them down like logs in the next battle. This is why, after Order 66, it's usually Vader, Clone Commandos, or some Inquisitor or Shadow Guard who hunts down rogue Jedi, not regular soldiers. Order 66 worked because it was a surprise attack against tired and exhausted foes. If your Jedi foe is rested, healthy, and no longer holding back, regular soldiers will have problems taking him down.

And if you hate the Jedi that much, may I suggest pestering some other sci-fi series? There's tons of other sci-fi series out there without psychics wielding glowsticks mumbling gibberish about some mystic force. Star Wars is, and will always be, the story of the Jedi. If you don't like that, then too bad. Hating Jedi for being the main guys of Star Wars is like hating the Space Marines for being the main guys of Warhammer 40K. Or hating the Justice League for being the main guys of DC comics.

 

[draggs]

Have you not been keeping up? At this point more Jedi survived Order 66 than entire membership of the Jedi Order before Order 66.

I mean the supposed Order 66. Its a hoax.
Order 66 is a Jedish lie to further the myth of them being oppressed. You Force Botherers really need to find a new line to shill "muh Jedi oppression".


Ok smart guy.
If Order 66 was real, why would Palatine - who was already popular and about to hand over his emergency powers - use ground troops and not just orbital bombardment? Hell, why not just order them into a Star Destroyer with hyperdrive set to the middle of a sun?
I'm not even going to ask if you've decided if it was brain chips or mental programming, you lot keep changing your minds.

The Jedi Internet Defense Force types are all so tiresome. Its like you have brainchips and only repeat what [[[someone]]] told you was true instead of thinking for yourselves.

All I saw was one psycho, who was a JEDI, maybe kill a bunch of Force-sensitive younglings who are NOT Jedi yet - we don't actually see them die - and some PTSD-scarred clones frag their Jedi officers after being forced to fight for years in hellish battle after hellish battle

A Jedicaust that does not make

 

[Scout Trooper]

It also makes the Jedi look pathetic and incompetent.

They are. This is one of the few things the prequel series flirts with almost getting right. The Jedi are corrupt, disorganized, and stupid. They earned their downfall by trying to straddle a line between smug liberal Tai Chi instructors and military commanders.

Star Wars never takes the 'war' part seriously at least with Lucas. But the Ewoks are the worst example of how silly the franchise is willing to get in a full scale deadly war.

This is another problem with Lucas, for sure. He has a very surface understanding of war and it results in these super improbable encounters. Where does all the industrial and economic come from to support a massive Rebel military force?

IDK, look at these spaceships shooting colorful lasers! Pew pew pew!

 

[Male Idiot]

I still think the Empire, while governed and in the shadows used by Sith, did not really embrace it openly. Most of the civilians were secular, Han and a Moff or imprial officer of some kind scoffed at Force users.

In the Sith Empire the Sith culture was much more dominant.

And with the red Sith culture it was a downright theocracy.

It follows a historical trend. The Red Sith were egyptians in spacey so their whole civilisation was centered on their god, the Dark side.

Than with the Sith Empire it was still a hufe cultural impact, like colonial era Christianity. Even if your average imp didn't know much, he payed lip service to it.

Than there was the Galactic Empire where the Sith were there at the top, their organisation reaching downward with tendrils, but overall hidden fron the average normie. Kind of like WW1-WW2 Christianity or nazi occultism.

The Republic on the other hand never had this much Jedi influence, Carth or Senator X didn't know more of the Jedi teachings than lets say Bail Organa.

 

[Uranus Pink]

-Its been said to death, but the Ewoks fighting and for a short time winning against an imperial battalion is fucking ridiculous.

As terrible the Ewoks were, they can be handwave away with the Empire not taking the local lifeforms seriously as a threat.
The worst parts of the land side of the battle of Endor especially for the Special Edition.
First and obvious is the small as fuck ground force leading to second.
Second problem is the fight was around one "secret" entrance. Which again leads too few Imperials operating the base nevermind actual guarding it.
Something which the Battle of Scarif done right with showing the base was full of Imperials. Plus multiple entrances as the rebels were fighting around at least two of them. Then there's the AT-ATs and the TIEs coming from their parts of base.

To me the greater offense is the space portion of Battle of Endor. Again the most obvious was the editing of showing the Executor's "sensor" globe shield generator getting blown up cutting to the next of an Imperial officer telling his commanding officer the shield is down. Leading to forty plus fucking years of normies and casuals going hur, hur Imperials stupid for putting their shield generators outside of the shields.
Secondly prior to that, Luke had been watching the battle from the DSII command tower and all of the capital ships being barely bigger than dots. And showing both fleets being much closer to Endor than the Death Star II. Since neither fleet were barely moving after the Rebels had gotten into point blank range. How the merry fuck the Executor after getting its bridge destroyed instantly crossed the distance to crash into the Death Star. When it either should've stayed where it was because it barely moving.
Or due to gravity get pulled into Endor' moon as it is closer than the DSII.

 

[Ghostse]

Because it's easier. And you don't really need a Star Destroyer to kill a Jedi who's probably exhausted, and who won't be able to defend himself if the 60-odd clones behind him, whom he trusts with his life, all started firing at him.

Really, using a star destroyer's guns on a Jedi is like using an axe to cut butter. It'll work, but the table will be a mess.

Rancor-broke Order 66 conspiratards:
> Palpatine considered the Jedi the only threat to his (supposed) plot to become emperor and that's why he had them all killed

Also Rancor-broke Order conspiratards:
> The Jedi weren't important enough to turbo laser

Pick. One.

Next time, watch the movies. Kenobi was unable to defend himself from the 212th, and just ran away from them, but once he made peace with the fact that the clones were their enemies, he and Yoda had no problems cutting down 501st Legion clones AFTER Order 66.

It's hard for a Jedi who's probably getting tired in the middle of a battle to defend against several dozen friends of his who suddenly turned into foes and started firing at him. But if he survived that, made peace with the fact that his clone allies were now his enemies, and got some rest, he'd be able to cut them down like logs in the next battle. This is why, after Order 66, it's usually Vader, Clone Commandos, or some Inquisitor or Shadow Guard who hunts down rogue Jedi, not regular soldiers. Order 66 worked because it was a surprise attack against tired and exhausted foes. If your Jedi foe is rested, healthy, and no longer holding back, regular soldiers will have problems taking him down.

And if you hate the Jedi that much, may I suggest pestering some other sci-fi series? There's tons of other sci-fi series out there without psychics wielding glowsticks mumbling gibberish about some mystic force. Star Wars is, and will always be, the story of the Jedi. If you don't like that, then too bad. Hating Jedi for being the main guys of Star Wars is like hating the Space Marines for being the main guys of Warhammer 40K. Or hating the Justice League for being the main guys of DC comics.

See, here you go again. You "Order 66 was an inside job" types can never be consistent.
Is a Jedi capable of slaughtering an entire detachment of Clone Troopers? Or can one be taken out by a mere squad?

And you fall back on the lamest excuses.
"Oh see the jedi can easily slaughter legions of Clone Troopers but they were tired"
You're telling me that tens of thousands of Jedi (or hundreds of thousands if we're going by the number of Jedi that keep turning up having survived your supposed Order 66) were all completely tired and exhausted at the exact same moment everywhere in the galaxy?! And that Palpatine, who you lot CLAIM gave the order, knew when this exact universal moment of maximum Jedi fatigue would be, and at that moment issued the claimed 'Order 66' that activated either the brain chips or behavioral programming (again, you Saber-foamers can never stick a story, its whatever your [[[masters]]] are telling you today).

This sounds reasonable to you?

Or is it more likely that soldiers in a battle against an unfeeling, remorseless enemy got tired of being sent on fool missions by a glow-stick wielding incel who refused to pick up a fucking gun in the middle of a war?

And no one is disputing that Palpatine was forced to send Vader and other forces to hunt down Jedi after the defeat of the separatists as they continued to try to disrupt Imperial operations being they were butt-hurt after the order was disbanded after their leadership attempted to assassinate the (then) Supreme Chancellor on fanciful charges of being some sort of Ancient Enemy of the Jedi - with zero proof.
In fact, in holos released after the same guy who provided the only supposed evidence of Palpatine being some sort of evil Jedi was shown to be slaughtering younglings in the Jedi temple.
How do you explain THAT - that in supposed "destruction of the Jedi temple" the only person we see really killing Jedi & children is, in fact, a Jedi. Not just a Jedi, but a Jedi MASTER.

Clearly "order 66" is a myth. A Jedish lie to make them look repressed, when they did it to themselves.

All I saw was one psycho, who was a JEDI, maybe kill a bunch of Force-sensitive younglings who are NOT Jedi yet - we don't actually see them die - and some PTSD-scarred clones frag their Jedi officers after being forced to fight for years in hellish battle after hellish battle

A Jedicaust that does not make

This is exactly I mean. One Jedi - a Jedi MASTER sitting on their own council mind you - goes into a school with a laser sword and now the Senate wants to take our blasters?

There are holes in this "order 66" conspiracy that you could fly a Super Star Destroyer through, but Jeditards keep following [[[their]]] orders and parroting them like they the truth.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

@Ghostse

Rancor-broke Order 66 conspiratards:
> Palpatine considered the Jedi the only threat to his (supposed) plot to become emperor and that's why he had them all killed

Also Rancor-broke Order conspiratards:
> The Jedi weren't important enough to turbo laser

The Jedi were important targets, and Palpatine already had the clones in a convenient position to kill them. So of course, he'd use the clones, and guess what, it worked.

"Oh see the jedi can easily slaughter legions of Clone Troopers but they were tired"
You're telling me that tens of thousands of Jedi (or hundreds of thousands if we're going by the number of Jedi that keep turning up having survived your supposed Order 66) were all completely tired and exhausted at the exact same moment everywhere in the galaxy?! And that Palpatine, who you lot CLAIM gave the order, knew when this exact universal moment of maximum Jedi fatigue would be, and at that moment issued the claimed 'Order 66' that activated either the brain chips or behavioral programming (again, you Saber-foamers can never stick a story, its whatever your [[[masters]]] are telling you today).

No shit, jackass. Yes, they were tired, THEY'VE BEEN FIGHTING ROBOTS FOR THREE YEARS NONSTOP. And most of the Jedi were being killed in surprise attacks; if they had prep time to fight against the clones and were psychologically prepared to kill them, they could kill them. It's just that they were made to see the clones as their friends, and they trusted the clones with their lives, because they've been fighting together for three years, and they're not at peak condition because they've been fighting day in and day out against an endless army of killer robots. Meanwhile, after Kenobi and Yoda got some rest and accepted the fact that the clones were no longer their friends, they killed the clones rather handily, because now they were ready to face them head-on, and they were no longer going to be taken for suckers and think the clones would have their backs.

Again, when I defend the Imperials, you people throw a hissy fit. When I defend the Jedi, you people throw a hissy fit. If you hate Star Wars that much, why the fuck are you even here?

All I saw was one psycho, who was a JEDI, maybe kill a bunch of Force-sensitive younglings who are NOT Jedi yet - we don't actually see them die - and some PTSD-scarred clones frag their Jedi officers after being forced to fight for years in hellish battle after hellish battle

A Jedicaust that does not make

I'm pretty sure the clones killed most of the Jedi, considering that most of the Jedi were offworld fighting alongside the clones. Also we saw the 501st Legion crush most of the Jedi in the Temple, even killing stragglers that got outside, like the Jedi who got killed in front of Bail Organa. Also, the clones only fragged the Jedi because they were told to. Most clones, according to the PT and most of the EU, got along rather well with their Jedi superiors, to the point where some of them got cold feet with Order 66, and even the 501st had their doubts.

I still think the Empire, while governed and in the shadows used by Sith, did not really embrace it openly. Most of the civilians were secular, Han and a Moff or imprial officer of some kind scoffed at Force users.

In the Sith Empire the Sith culture was much more dominant.

And with the red Sith culture it was a downright theocracy.

It's the other way around. The Imperials under the Sith Empire never truly acted like the Sith; they were just good soldiers following orders. To the point where Sith like Darth Jadus didn't like the fact that Sith culture stayed among the Sith. Whereas the workplace culture of the Galactic Empire pretty much mirrored the Sith ideology, with officers stabbing each other in the back and plotting for power the moment Palpatine disappears. Note how none of the other officers objected to Vader choking that one dude who questioned the Force. As for Han, he's a pirate lowlife who got proven wrong more than once, and not just about the Force. Not to mention there were actual secularists among the Imperial high command who tried to coup Palpatine because they were mad at the fact that the Galactic Empire was a theocracy led by two guys.

They are. This is one of the few things the prequel series flirts with almost getting right. The Jedi are corrupt, disorganized, and stupid. They earned their downfall by trying to straddle a line between smug liberal Tai Chi instructors and military commanders.

I never saw that in the Prequels. For the most part, the Prequels and 90 percent of the EU portrayed the Jedi as competent generals, to the point where Palpatine feared that if he didn't Order 66 the Jedi, there'd be civil war without end, as the Jedi could easily rally the armies of the Senate against him if they weren't taken care of quickly.

This is another problem with Lucas, for sure. He has a very surface understanding of war and it results in these super improbable encounters. Where does all the industrial and economic come from to support a massive Rebel military force?

IDK, look at these spaceships shooting colorful lasers! Pew pew pew!

Actually, that was well-explained; many of the Rebel leaders were either former Imperials or senators; likely they brought the wealth and power of their planets' local economies to bear and create a massive Rebel force; we already saw this with the Clone Wars where rich corporations did the same fucking thing. Just trade corporations for senators and local nobles like Princess Leia and Mon Mothma, and you get the picture. It's basically old money types who hate the fact that some noob from Naboo took their toys away, so they funded the Rebellion to kick his ass.

 

[draggs]

I'm pretty sure the clones killed most of the Jedi, considering that most of the Jedi were offworld fighting alongside the clones. Also we saw the 501st Legion crush most of the Jedi in the Temple, even killing stragglers that got outside, like the Jedi who got killed in front of Bail Organa. Also, the clones only fragged the Jedi because they were told to. Most clones, according to the PT and most of the EU, got along rather well with their Jedi superiors, to the point where some of them got cold feet with Order 66, and even the 501st had their doubts.

We see a Jedi coup hit squad try to assassinate the Chancellor of the Republic, plain and simple. Members of the Jedi Council. With the knowledge and blessing of the leader of the Council. Who then tried to assassinate the Chancellor personally, after his hit squad failed. No proof was presented to the Senate or any other duly constituted institution of the Republic. No due process. No trial at all, in fact. The Jedi have lied about the entire thing from the very beginning and expect us to believe them because they're true and honest holy samurai monks. Who tried to assassinate the Chancellor multiple times because of some literal jihad the Jedi have been fighting with "the Sith" for THOUSANDS OF YEARS

We find out the two leaders of the coup plot managed to "hide" from the "Jedicaust" along with, at a minimum, scores of other Jedi, and they never gave up on their holy war. They finally succeeded by using a naive, brainwashed young man to manipulate his severely mentally ill father, who the Chancellor had taken under his wing and shown every kindness to for two decades, into doing the deed

Enough with the Jedi deceit and manipulation, sacrificing uncounted trillions of sentient beings in their endless wars to control the galaxy. A thousand generations of one war after another, all caused by their sad devotion to that ancient religion

 

[Ghostse]

The Jedi were important targets, and Palpatine already had the clones in a convenient position to kill them. So of course, he'd use the clones, and guess what, it worked.

Did it? Every time we get new media set in the period between Ep 3 & 4 another 3-4 dozen Jedi survivors of the purported Order 66 turn up alive and well.

No shit, jackass. Yes, they were tired, THEY'VE BEEN FIGHTING ROBOTS FOR THREE YEARS NONSTOP. And most of the Jedi were being killed in surprise attacks; if they had prep time to fight against the clones and were psychologically prepared to kill them, they could kill them. It's just that they were made to see the clones as their friends, and they trusted the clones with their lives, because they've been fighting together for three years, and they're not at peak condition because they've been fighting day in and day out against an endless army of killer robots. Meanwhile, after Kenobi and Yoda got some rest and accepted the fact that the clones were no longer their friends, they killed the clones rather handily, because now they were ready to face them head-on, and they were no longer going to be taken for suckers and think the clones would have their backs.

So Palpatine's "master plan" to "seize power" would have be undone if any of the thousands of Jedi had gotten a little unscheduled siesta? Do you not hear yourself?
Have you swallowed [[[their]]] lies so long this sounds reasonable vs. The fact that "Order 66" is a false narrative of a bunch of unrelated fraggings of Jedi commanders because they continued to use their hokey religion instead of having blasters by their sides?

Again, when I defend the Imperials, you people throw a hissy fit. When I defend the Jedi, you people throw a hissy fit. If you hate Star Wars that much, why the fuck are you even here?

I'm just making a Modest Proposal that Order 66 was fake.
You're the one losing his mind as the holes in the story [[[they]]] got you to believe become bigger and bigger.

We see a Jedi coup hit squad try to assassinate the Chancellor of the Republic, plain and simple. Members of the Jedi Council. With the knowledge and blessing of the leader of the Council. Who then tried to assassinate the Chancellor personally, after his hit squad failed. No proof was presented to the Senate or any other duly constituted institution of the Republic. No due process. No trial at all, in fact. The Jedi have lied about the entire thing from the very beginning and expect us to believe them because they're true and honest holy samurai monks. Who tried to assassinate the Chancellor multiple times because of some literal jihad the Jedi have been fighting with "the Sith" for THOUSANDS OF YEARS

Don't forge the only "evidence" that the Supreme Chancellor was one of these "ancient enemy" came from one man. A man who was part of the Jedish assassination coup plot, but left the Chancellor's palace and then went to the Jedi Temple slaughter the children there and was caught on holo doing it. Clearly not a stable individual.

What I'm saying is that Jedicaust was a hoax, but it should have been real.

Its also SUPER convenient that guy disappeared shortly after and we have zero record of him since. Just completely vanished. Really makes you [[[wonder]]] what was behind that.

 

[draggs]

The "Journal of the [Protocols of the Learned Elders of the] Whills" should probably be looked into, as it appears to be an exposé of the Jedi's methods, particular plans, and record of atrocities over the millenia

 

[Scout Trooper]

So Palpatine's "master plan" to "seize power" would have be undone if any of the thousands of Jedi had gotten a little unscheduled siesta? Do you not hear yourself?
Have you swallowed [[[their]]] lies so long this sounds reasonable vs. The fact that "Order 66" is a false narrative of a bunch of unrelated fraggings of Jedi commanders because they continued to use their hokey religion instead of having blasters by their sides?

It's just one of [[[their]]] goofy conspiracy theories that sounds suspiciously like projection, such as the convoluted Naboostagge fire plot.

All of the Jedi's failures were definitely because this unstoppable mastermind was pulling the strings and not because people were sick of this cabal stabbing the Republic in the back.

 

[Molly White's Breast Milk]

Its also SUPER convenient that guy disappeared shortly after and we have zero record of him since. Just completely vanished. Really makes you [[[wonder]]] what was behind that.

Then his son helps a terrorist group run by Anakin's daughter destroy a large military installation then three years later that same son kills the democratically elected Emperor. Clearly the [[[Jedi]]] are a threat to galactic democracy.

 

[Male Idiot]

The Jedi also fired on the ISD Liberty. (((They))) are not trustworthy and use weird mind control! Grandmaster Nethanyoda was mad that Palpatine noticed! Jedi spaceships also flew into the World Trade Station.



I guess as for the Galactic Empire being backstabbing, I see that as a general evil empire trait and not fully a Sith one. The Sith Empire ones seemed like they knew more of the Darkside, but were overall way, way more competent than the Galactic Empire personnel.

So one was the guy who doesn't know who Jesus is but hangs up lamps on trees, while the other knows the ins and outs of basic Bible lore but doesn't follow it.

 

[Gondolindrim]

I present a story in two parts: This guy wanted to prove that everyone getting mad about Reva and Sabine surviving point blank lightsaber wounds is actually sexist.

And not even 3 hours later:

He never even responded to the couple hundred people telling him why his comparison is bad, only his buddies so he could circlejerk like he was right. This is just what Disney fans do, they say stupid, easily disprovable shit to argue in bad faith and then throw a temper tantrum when actual fans who are knowledgable come and give their two cents. Fuck 'em.

 

[Aloof Pessimism]

I find it very disturbing to see some are still allowed to spout Jedi propaganda about the empire and emperor Palpatine. All this crap is tiresome and I do not have the energy to constantly prove you wrong.

The Jedi wiped out in some overly complicated plot? So every clone was in on some galaxy-wide conspiracy and not one of them ever mentioned this? You do realize billions of beings, including countless non-clone people, would have to be in the know, right? And then you claim all Jedi have been shot at the exact same time? How exactly would you pull that off if the Jedi have super reflexes that literally allow them to deflect blasters?

And then in an effort to 'prove' the empire is evil anyway, you say, "But Alderaan!"

I'll have you know the empire has dispatched an independent team of investigators to Alderaan's supposed location and all they found was space dust and rocks, proving Alderaan's existence an elaborate hoax.

Another lie spread by Jedi Shadows. You can't see them, but they're everywhere.

 

[Uranus Pink]

Margaret Weis Star of the Guardians series did kinda royally fucked Star Wars in how her expy not!Jedi got all wiped out almost instantly. As to avoid being seen as copying a SW knock-off novel series.

Plus most people forgot all of the Jedi were dead by the time the events in ANH happened except for Obi-Wan and Yoda. Which was a major plot as to why Obi-Wan and Yoda went to the Jedi Temple to change the "all surviving Jedi come back to Corusant" to "it's a trap, don't come back here" message thingy in the RotS.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

Legally speaking, Grand Moff Tarkin was completely right in his detainment of Princess Leia and subsequent destruction of Alderaan. Using her diplomatic credentials, she smuggled top-secret plans for the Death Star for what purpose? To disclose them publicly? For all Tarkin knew, she stole those plans so that the Rebel Aliiance or CIS remnants could build their own Death Star. Also, by acting as the Senator of Alderaan, he had probable cause to believe the government of Alderaan ordered the theft of those plans. Since Leia was unwilling to clear up the depth of Alderaan's involvement, Alderaan was guilty of treason and Tarkin made a military decision for a quick, decisive blow to end the war before it started.

 

[draggs]

Legally speaking, Grand Moff Tarkin was completely right in his detainment of Princess Leia and subsequent destruction of Alderaan. Using her diplomatic credentials, she smuggled top-secret plans for the Death Star for what purpose? To disclose them publicly? For all Tarkin knew, she stole those plans so that the Rebel Aliiance or CIS remnants could build their own Death Star. Also, by acting as the Senator of Alderaan, he had probable cause to believe the government of Alderaan ordered the theft of those plans. Since Leia was unwilling to clear up the depth of Alderaan's involvement, Alderaan was guilty of treason and Tarkin made a military decision for a quick, decisive blow to end the war before it started.

As shown in Wedge's Gamble, research by the Imperial Museum proved that the Rebels did use those plans to build a Planetary Ore Extractor in orbit around Endor, and were going to use it on peaceful Imperial worlds. It was only the heroic sacrifice of Emperor Palpatine and Darth Vader that prevented this horror from being unleashed on the galaxy by the Jedi pawn Rebels