Naruto/Boruto Griefing Thread

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the writing only slips when “smart” characters like Sasuke or Shikamaru are the main characters
People, especially writers, should know the limits of their own intelligence, yes.
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Or Danzo not being there to whitewash the guy who loves child death contests.
That was the funniest fucking shit.
I can't look at the third the same way again.
>The last thing he sees before he dies is a child beating another in a fight to the death
my goddamn sides

Danzo did nothing wrong, unironically.
 
People, especially writers, should know the limits of their own intelligence, yes.
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That was the funniest fucking shit.
I can't look at the third the same way again.
>The last thing he sees before he dies is a child beating another in a fight to the death
my goddamn sides

Danzo did nothing wrong, unironically.
Danzo in theory could have been fun and a better character if wasn’t a scapegoat. He was the only guy who did assassin shit in the series. Him jobbing to Sasuke was gay.

Also, Shikamaru’s Revenge arc is cringe in retrospect. The obvious circle causes like 5 grown men to act like retards. It undermines the whole revenge message of the retrieval arc of part 1.
 
Danzo in theory could have been fun and a better character if wasn’t a scapegoat. He was the only guy who did assassin shit in the series. Him jobbing to Sasuke was gay.

Also, Shikamaru’s Revenge arc is cringe in retrospect. The obvious circle causes like 5 grown men to act like retards. It undermines the whole revenge message of the retrieval arc of part 1.
Everything Danzo said was true though: the Uchiha tried to destroy the entire world.

The retrieval arc had a revenge message?
 
Everything Danzo said was true though: the Uchiha tried to destroy the entire world.

The retrieval arc had a revenge message?
Kakashi basically tells Sasuke,”Don’t put yourself and others in danger for the sake of revenge”.

The entire series had that whole cycle of violence theme. Shikamaru’s plan is fucking retarded, too. Basically Kakuzu(?) was a huge blind spot and his general idea was split them up and hope that they are retarded enough to not immediately see through that and rape him to death.
 
Naruto and few other anime having massive declines in their writing softens the blow for the terrible endings. I remember reading through the last few arcs of Naruto being an absolute slog because of how ridiculous the plot developments were. I couldn't imagine being an anime fan only and having to wade through an additional double story amount of filler. By the time I got to the end I was just glad that it was over.
Definitely, though it also generates a pseudo "parasocial" relationship where you are up to date with the retardation so you keep reading weekly to see how bad the train flips and how many bystanders are devastated in it's wake. Naruto, Bleach and Fairy Tail (and stuff like Hitman Reborn were shit much earlier and I still don't understand how I stuck with it) had been shit for a very very long time before they ended so it was just a read to shit on it scenario which I usually avoid, but I justify with it being "a quick read".

Then you have more recent stuff like JJK or Boku No Heo which are also shit now but it wasn't that long ago where they were solid/good. Those are more jarring due to how you wonder if somebody had a very bad month and that translated to the series going to shit in record time. Then you have your rare stuff like Full Metal or Demon Slayer which are consistently soild/good and manage to stick the landing, but those I find incredibly rare. And then you have series that are solid for the most part but kind of dip at the end like Eyeshield 21 or Haykiuu, which I file as "good enough" since these are still also rare.

As for anime being what makes a series popular? Yeah, definitely, I got into the big 3 with their respective anime, though after that I tend to be a manga first consumer. Though some exceptions here and there like Demon Slayer and Jujutsu Kaisen that got sold on amazing adaptations and I just carried on with the manga onward. But without their animes, Attack on Titan wouldn't have had a fraction of the relevance (not would the ending have been such a shit show).
 
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Also, will an anime ever reach the popularity peaks of DBZ, Naruto, and golden age Pokemon ever again? Or is the genre done for?
Pretty sure Demon Slayer was popular enough to hit that peak, at least in Japan. It dropped down faster though.
I think one of the issues is that anime seasons have been shifting from weekly, original filler stuff that keeps series in your head and makes it so that flaws seem less in your face.
That being said, Shonen Jump right now, I don't know if there is anything after Chainsawman that has a chance of getting that sort of wide popularity. What is there, Blue Box, Sakamoto Days, Witch Watch, Elusive Samurai?
 
That being said, Shonen Jump right now, I don't know if there is anything after Chainsawman that has a chance of getting that sort of wide popularity. What is there, Blue Box, Sakamoto Days, Witch Watch, Elusive Samurai?
Chainsaw man has been in a pretty dry streak the last couple of months and I got the impression that the anime was not well received. Also, wasn't it adapted by one of those CGI studios?

Of those listed, Sakamoto Days gets my vote and I nominate Dandadan as well. Dandadan already got signed for it's adaptation and if properly followed up on will be hype as fuck, and seeing the trailer I don't see a reason to not expect at least season 1 to be solid. Sakamoto would be a feast in the hands of a studio that can do proper dynamic animation and it's a series I'm really hoping doesn't overstay it's welcome and hopefully is aiming to end since it would be a very nice and tight package if it ended in less than 50 chapters.

Blue Box I don't read, but would like to, but romance doesn't tend to bring "HYPE" as much and Witch Watch is waaaaaaaaaaaay too chill and slow bake slice of lifey to be something huge. Elusive Samurai I have no idea about though.
 
Also, will an anime ever reach the popularity peaks of DBZ, Naruto, and golden age Pokemon ever again? Or is the genre done for?
The big issue in my opinion is that no one is willing to take the risk of a continuous adaption. We still stick to individual seasons which kill momentum, and like I said in a previous post, the filler those shows had sometimes works to their benefit. So even if a good shonen comes along, the talk about it ends once the current season ends.

Hopefully after the isekai trend dies out we'll get back to less frustrating genres.
 
Naruto and few other anime having massive declines in their writing softens the blow for the terrible endings. I remember reading through the last few arcs of Naruto being an absolute slog because of how ridiculous the plot developments were. I couldn't imagine being an anime fan only and having to wade through an additional double story amount of filler. By the time I got to the end I was just glad that it was over.
The perils of being a mangaka. They have to sacrifice their lives just to not have their story axed a volume or two in and then sacrifice their family to keep it going all while the magazine gleefully gives them mandates to keep going. How many times in the last year or so has one of the popular series released a sub double digit chapter or ones with unfinished art?
 
The big issue in my opinion is that no one is willing to take the risk of a continuous adaption. We still stick to individual seasons which kill momentum, and like I said in a previous post, the filler those shows had sometimes works to their benefit. So even if a good shonen comes along, the talk about it ends once the current season ends.

Hopefully after the isekai trend dies out we'll get back to less frustrating genres.
The last on-going series I knew of was Black Clover and that got plagued by iffy pacing, characters being reduced down to tropes, and the director having to move heaven and earth just to get episodes done in with decent animation. But very few fillers, minus a long stretch made to fill a time skip/covid screwing everything up.
 
I checked out of Naruto hard when the Ninja War started and everyone got revived. That was among the most gratuitous fan service I've ever seen - just the most blatant excuse to have a royal rumble of the strongest guys around throwing the most OP stuff around.

And so much stuff doesn't make sense - was it ever explained before that Orochimaru Curse Marks were based on Nature Energy? That you could Flying Thundergod someone (or an entire army) without touching them by coating them with your chakra? That someone who immediately died after becoming a jinchuriki has instant mastery of it upon revival?

I also cringe super hard every time someone goes - "they've surpassed us, this new gen, OMG, they're so GOOD." And we could have done with much less Madara getting Hisoka boners at the thought of Hashirama wooding him up.

Add literal Ancient Aliens, really? That's the final boss of this royal rumble?

Also, I thought this show was called "Naruto?" Why is everything about Uchiha shit? I thought the Byakugan was supposedly more powerful? It turns out, them red eyes can open portals and create samurai gundams. To say nothing of their role in all the shit that went down. TOBIRAMA DID NOTHING WRONG. HE WAS RIGHT ABOUT THE KURTA UCHIHA.

I actually like Sakura, but the anime just ruins her by making her crying and complaining drag on for far longer than it ever did in the manga. The only big problem Sakura really has is the whole "I love you Naruto" thing and for what it's worth, that was Sai's idea. You can blame her for listening to the literal autist for romance advice, but that's who's really responsible for that situation.
Sakura is so useless she couldn't stab that Rinnegan and make their lives easy.
 
I feel like I wouldn’t hate Boruto if the main conflict was someone just wanting to kill Orochimaru and his Pool Boy for their crimes against humanity. During the start of Covid I was in the /a/ re-read Naruto threads and honestly the writing only slips when “smart” characters like Sasuke or Shikamaru are the main characters.
Careful what you wish for. The Dragonball Super manga did a Frieza revenge arc and that was literal garbage. There was a whole lot of not killing Frieza and it erased Goku's efforts and success to being due to a wish on the dragon by once again ruining Bardock.
Boku No Heo which are also shit now but it wasn't that long ago where they were solid/good.
MHA's fall was MUCH worse than Naruto's ever was. Two years ago, almost three, we started our final fight against Dabi, Toga, AFO, and Shigaraki. Two years later up until very recently, we were STILL fighting Dabi. There's just no excuse for that. That bastard gave his audience two years of NOTHING. Say what you want about Naruto but at its worst during the war and Ten Tails, at least stuff HAPPENED. Dabi was just...nothing.
Chainsaw man has been in a pretty dry streak the last couple of months and I got the impression that the anime was not well received. Also, wasn't it adapted by one of those CGI studios?
The anime was not well received even by the fandom. It's just missing something. CSM we were warned by Fujimoto via a one shot would be a little strange but to give it time. We've given it time and it's not as good as part one. Instead of high highs and low lows, it's very much plateaued as a 'Yeah it's aight'. Propping up Asa really came at Denji's expense.
I checked out of Naruto hard when the Ninja War started and everyone got revived. That was among the most gratuitous fan service I've ever seen - just the most blatant excuse to have a royal rumble of the strongest guys around throwing the most OP stuff around.
That's what hilarious about the war arc. It SHOULD'VE been a royal rumble. We don't get that. We start out good, Sasori vs Kankuro was a decent idea. Kakashi vs. Haku and Zabuza redux was great. But afterwards, Kakashi says he's going to go berserk out of anger and use all of his jitsu and it's something the audience would love to see. AND WE DON'T FUCKING SEE IT. Instead of getting fun match ups we get....Mifune vs. Hanzo the Salamander. Two characters we give zero shits about. Then we get Darui vs. Kinkaku and Ginkaku. The fuck was Kishimoto smoking? You know, people would've loved a true Hashirama vs. Madara fight. We don't fucking get one! I swear to God, Kishimoto wrote a check to milk at least years of content on stuff people ACTUALLY want to see, and we waste it on garbage.
 
MHA's fall was MUCH worse than Naruto's ever was. Two years ago, almost three, we started our final fight against Dabi, Toga, AFO, and Shigaraki. Two years later up until very recently, we were STILL fighting Dabi. There's just no excuse for that. That bastard gave his audience two years of NOTHING. Say what you want about Naruto but at its worst during the war and Ten Tails, at least stuff HAPPENED. Dabi was just...nothing.
I never saw its appeal. Just felt purposely generic and didn't really try to do it well enough. It swirling down the drain as every series tends to by the end was super obvious.
The anime was not well received even by the fandom. It's just missing something. CSM we were warned by Fujimoto via a one shot would be a little strange but to give it time. We've given it time and it's not as good as part one. Instead of high highs and low lows, it's very much plateaued as a 'Yeah it's aight'. Propping up Asa really came at Denji's expense.
Better than most sequel series, let's be honest. Even if it isn't technically a sequel.
 
MHA's fall was MUCH worse than Naruto's ever was. Two years ago, almost three, we started our final fight against Dabi, Toga, AFO, and Shigaraki. Two years later up until very recently, we were STILL fighting Dabi. There's just no excuse for that. That bastard gave his audience two years of NOTHING. Say what you want about Naruto but at its worst during the war and Ten Tails, at least stuff HAPPENED. Dabi was just...nothing.
I think the best comparison between the two was how much time it took for the protagonist to be considered not a waste of space by their class. MHA was episode 8? Barely the end of the first season. Naruto it was the very end of the Chunnin exam, around episode 60. And even then he wasn't seen as the top dog until he learned the Rasengan, around episode 90. MHA just skips character development for the power fantasy, which works in isekai but not in shonen. There is a reason why the spinoff is more popular.

The anime was not well received even by the fandom. It's just missing something. CSM we were warned by Fujimoto via a one shot would be a little strange but to give it time. We've given it time and it's not as good as part one. Instead of high highs and low lows, it's very much plateaued as a 'Yeah it's aight'. Propping up Asa really came at Denji's expense.
It was just low energy adaption of a series who's entire point was being balls to the wall. It's like the director just adapted it without understanding why people like it at the first place. The fight scenes were also trash.
 
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It was just low energy adaption of a series who's entire point was being balls to the wall. It's like the director just adapted it without understanding why people like it at the first place. The fight scenes were also trash.
What I always found a shame was how they did a new ending for every episode but never found a spot for Fujimoto's beautiful cover arts. He did wonderful splash pages and cover arts that just never got created into stills for these endings. Maybe it was a licensing thing, but you'd think in 10 episodes at least one of them would show up.

Certain characters benefited from the anime. Others didn't. Denji translates very well I thought. His inner monologues help sell his plight. Power does not. Power went too weeaboo and seems more annoying than she should. Himeno I'd say greatly benefited from the anime. She seems more animated and fleshed out. Her VA did a wonderful job. Aki....Not so much. He comes off too edgy and I hate his VA.
 
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Is there really much griefing to be had over Naruto? It ended pretty poorly, but I don't remember it causing the level of shit flinging that say, GOT or AOT caused. Plus it's been over for like a decade. Boruto is as close to Naruto as Disenchanted is to the Simpsons.

Naruto as a franchise for me is something to be in awe, it is incredibly popular in my country, where other anime and even japanese stuff were quite well liked before being popular or something.
Same here. Naruto was a legitimate cultural phenomenon and most importantly for me, stayed VERY good for a VERY long time. It's no coincidence that the vast majority of highly regarded series are either short or have the authors take frequent health breaks (name your pick), abandon them (Vagabond) or straight up just die working on them.
You simply do not maintain that level of quality week to week for 300+ chapters, and yet Naruto has a shit ton of memorable scenes from chapter 1 all the way to the second battle at the VOTE.
Hell look at the current popular manga/anime and compare how long it took for them to go to shit. I mean MHA and JJK can't even establish an actual power system, let alone produce a chuunin exam-tier arc. Chainsaw man is OK but again, it only took 90-100 chapters for it to lose what made it good.

Probably the biggest argument for Naruto's quality is the passion with which people criticize it. Shitshows like Fairy Tail and Seven Deadly Sins are turned into memes whereas with Naruto, even though there are memes, you get numerous autistic rants like the one on pg1 that show people really loved it.

As long as Naruto is not being hailed as the greatest Japanese series of all time, there isn't any praise anyone could give it that I'd feel is unwarranted.

There are lots of Bleachs, Black Cats, Samurai Deeper Kyos, Torikos, The Flautist of Hamelin, but very few changed the game like Naruto, even more internationally and across generations.
Nice. I don't see a lot of Samurai Deeper Kyo mentions. I really enjoyed reading it and noting the similarities between it and Naruto as it ran pretty much concurrently with Part 1.
 
I have three VIZ Omnibus versions of the Naruto manga and I still have yet to read them because of this famous review that opened my mind as to what it was like to be a fan of Naruto when you were in middle school


Since then, I’ve witnessed both online and offline how yesterday‘s Naruto fans ended up turning into One Piece or Attack or Titan fans before the latter was being debated as to whether or not the final chapters jumped the shark.

Meanwhile, I’m still coping as to whether Boruto will reach the same type of hype that Naruto had in the early 2000’s.
 
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Is there really much griefing to be had over Naruto? It ended pretty poorly, but I don't remember it causing the level of shit flinging that say, GOT or AOT caused.
Because Naruto was already trash halfway through its story. And its anime had ludicrous amounts of filler to the point where the actual manga story might as well have been ten percent of the show. It was also beyond obvious what the ending would be. That everyone would survive and that there would be a sequel. That none of the main characters were going to die because that might hurt toy sales.

The ending for Naruto was lame and made the series more of a flash in the pan with a hardcore following like Death Note. Game of Thrones and Attack on Titan had legendarily bad endings. And Game of Thrones still doesn't even had its proper ending in the ASOIAF novels. Those two franchises terminated themselves in the most spectacular and bizarre ways that seemed unfathomable at the time.
Meanwhile, I’m still coping as to whether Boruto will reach the same type of hype that Naruto had in the early 2000’s.
Impossible. Naruto sells more merchandise than Boruto still. And probably more copies of the anime and manga on a yearly basis.
 
About the ending, I'm just happy you get nearly every person in their class be married and having kids. So many shows just leave the expanded cast to dry without the balls to commit to any serious relationship. This creates depressing shit like Ace Attorney where post timeskip everyone is in their 40's and only have their job to live for.
 
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Because Naruto was already trash halfway through its story. And its anime had ludicrous amounts of filler to the point where the actual manga story might as well have been ten percent of the show. It was also beyond obvious what the ending would be. That everyone would survive and that there would be a sequel. That none of the main characters were going to die because that might hurt toy sales.

Not sure I'd agree there. It was still very good up till the Pain arc ended, which was around chapter 450, well beyond the halfway mark, and even then the series managed to remind fans often why they loved it so much in between all the trash afterwards. And it's not like GOT or AOT imploded out of nowhere. They'd also declined massively by the time the final arcs started.

Filler is just an unfortunate consequence of being the most popular anime in the world. The manga is a far better experience, especially the war arc.

The stuff about the ending seems like just standard story issues rather than anything to do with Naruto. Think of any highly regarded story series and you'll notice that the MCs never die in the vast majority of them.

Anyway I don't think any of this would prevent Naruto from epically bombing. I think it just comes down to Naruto got bad but not "nuked from society's consciousness" bad like the other 2.

The ending for Naruto was lame and made the series more of a flash in the pan with a hardcore following like Death Note.

I'd hardly call it a flash in the pan like Death Note. Naruto is probably right up there with Dragon Ball and Mario in terms of gross franchise earnings while being considerably younger. Nobody talks about Death Note outside of random mentions and "keikaku means plan" memes, whereas Naruto still has very active subreddits and discussion boards all over the Internet, video games, plays and other media still being made, and the merch just prints money to this day.

Game of Thrones and Attack on Titan had legendarily bad endings. And Game of Thrones still doesn't even had its proper ending in the ASOIAF novels. Those two franchises terminated themselves in the most spectacular and bizarre ways that seemed unfathomable at the time.
Yeah, unlike Naruto.
 
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