General GunTuber thread

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I posted in here before.

I grew up slumming the internet and don't fear criticism, nor people I might disagree with. C&Rsenal and the public persona are a means to communicate something I care about and want to share. I don't need it to work for everyone, but I do try to make improvements where I can with the resources available.

Unfiltered commentary is great for that. Too many "creators" get addicted to the fan club and become caught up in fan service. Then you get too much "lifestyle" and not enough content. Sometimes the assholes are right. Even if someone complaining is wrong, that can mean I need to communicate it better going forward. I am aware that the vast majority of my audience and patrons will never contact me, so I have to cast a wide net to hopefully understand my silent market.

The KF guntuber thread largely stays on topic and does a lot better than /k/ about voicing the nuances in opinion. Lots of heavy bias and insults sure, but far less knee jerking or oppositional attention seeking.

I can't really indulge in the gossip though. I am very careful with secrets and personal information. I believe that unless someone is doing harm or scamming in some.way, it's not my place to tell their stories publicly. It is also bad business to be seen as too negative about others' endeavors.

Edit: and of course while I was typing the update came in. My thoughts are with his family and friends.
 
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Scarlet Imperial said:
Paul Harrell has died.
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RIP Paul. Pouring one out for you as soon as I'm done with work.

Actually, I think I got some poptarts in the pantry, too. Let's do this.

Othais said:
Good but also hilarious. Presently it seems the core, modern triple-action was likely first patented by a man named Fagard. We are currently focusing on that to make sure but it is a game of gathering everything to prove a negative.

The most common rebounding, efficient system was patented by Fagnus. Though it likely went through Comblain along the way.

The whole project was started because I ran into repeated inconsistencies through various books. No one besides Muller has tried to actually trace an evolution of the revolver. Probably because the history is mostly Belgian. Muller had limited archival access and missed a good bit. We have been greatly helped by Google because we can either directly read or target and request whole lists of European patent summaries. From there we file requests with archives. Sadly many of the requested patents in Belgium have gone missing because of their bizarre filing and bad handling over the decades. We are lacking connections in Austria and Spain that would help as well.

The whole process has been expensive, we have several thousand spent on fees and more on sending people directly in to keep digging. However, we have thousands of patents ID'ed. We keep pushing them to the site at revolvers.candrsenal.com so everyone can find them.

We have a wonderful volunteer heading the organization of the raw search, so much so that if I can get a book together I am going to bill him as co-author. My job has been to analyze and pick where to focus, plus find extra help in various countries. I am also stretching to build the appropriate reference photography collection for the book.

I never meant to be a revolver expert as they aren't my favorite firearm, but the way everyone talked about them was so incredibly lacking I had to sort it out for my own sanity.
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See, now this is interesting stuff. There's a huge difference in effort going into a daily/weekly video and doing what you're doing there. Not to disparage Ian or any other guntuber with that format, of course. They're doing what works for them and what their audience wants. But people really need to keep in mind how much effort can be spent on a piece of media when you're working on a deadline.

Anyway, I hope you're successful in your research, Othais. This sounds like an interesting story that needs telling.
 
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Othais said:
I grew up slumming the internet and don't fear criticism, nor people I might disagree with. C&Rsenal and the public persona are a means to communicate something I care about and want to share. I don't need it to work for everyone, but I do try to make improvements where I can with the resources available.

Unfiltered commentary is great for that. Too many "creators" get addicted to the fan club and become caught up in fan service. Then you get too much "lifestyle" and not enough content. Sometimes the assholes are right. Even if someone complaining is wrong, that can mean I need to communicate it better going forward. I am aware that the vast majority of my audience and patrons will never contact me, so I have to cast a wide net to hopefully understand my silent market.
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That is a good take on things, I hate how any sort of criticism gets viewed as "hate" or envy or whatever the hell people think now.
This site is filled with hundreds of threads on people who got surrounded by yes men and got screwed because they didn't had some outsider of the group to tell them that whatever behavior they were doing was a really bad idea.
Othais said:
The KF guntuber thread largely stays on topic and does a lot better than /k/ about voicing the nuances in opinion. Lots of heavy bias and insults sure, but far less knee jerking or oppositional attention seeking.
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This site became one of the last free refuges of the internet, think of it as a outlaw's bar, tons of tough guy insults and crap, but like any Bukowski novel, the harshness and acid tone hides the deeper meaning.
Othais said:
I can't really indulge in the gossip though. I am very careful with secrets and personal information. I believe that unless someone is doing harm or scamming in some.way, it's not my place to tell their stories publicly. It is also bad business to be seen as too negative about others' endeavors.
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Fair enough and a really rare behavior to see anymore specially since the quickest way to make a buck these days in YouTube is to make a hit piece on your colleagues in the field.

Although be warned, people who only replied to their own thread or post about them, have been painted as transphobic Nazi terrorists for posting on here, be prepared if some asshole prints and posts on reddit speaking crap about you being here.
I recommend lurking around, it's quite addicting to watch some quirky person on the internet expose themselves to the masses
 
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Does anyone know what the hell Leviathan Group actually is, and why their affiliates get so damn mad when people ask that they disclose what Leviathan's relationship with gun companies is actually like?
 
TyrantOfAppalachia said:
Does anyone know what the hell Leviathan Group actually is, and why their affiliates get so damn mad when people ask that they disclose what Leviathan's relationship with gun companies is actually like?
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My knee-jerk reaction is that it is some kind of front for Peter Tiel dark money. The tell is when/if Leviathan-affiliated content creators start shilling psychedelics.
 
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Othais said:
The KF guntuber thread largely stays on topic and does a lot better than /k/ about voicing the nuances in opinion.
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I know people will say that's faint praise given, well, we're talking about /k/ but praise it is. You may or may not want to get a mod to verify you, by the way.

More generally, terrible news about Paul. Dude had a fun life, IMO, hope the end wasn't too bad.
 
TyrantOfAppalachia said:
Does anyone know what the hell Leviathan Group actually is, and why their affiliates get so damn mad when people ask that they disclose what Leviathan's relationship with gun companies is actually like?
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They're an influencer management network. Some people like to pretend its a spooky dark money kabal(the name doesn't help), but I haven't seen anything to suggest that. They connect guntubers with sponsors and industry contacts. The real questions is how much they influence video content and opinions. Do they simply connect guntubers with firearm friendly sponsors or do they dictate what they say and how they say it? The answer probably depends on the channel and the specific sponsors and gun companies they're working with.

The affiliates don't want to talk about it because they have nothing to gain and much to lose from revealing the nature of their relationship with sponsors. I'd be interested to hear the details of Leviathan Group's relationship with gun companies, specifically AAC/PSA.
 
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They're an influencer management network. Some people like to pretend its a spooky dark money kabal(the name doesn't help), but I haven't seen anything to suggest that. They connect guntubers with sponsors and industry contacts. The real questions is how much they influence video content and opinions. Do they simply connect guntubers with firearm friendly sponsors or do they dictate what they say and how they say it? The answer probably depends on the channel and the specific sponsors and gun companies they're working with.

The affiliates don't want to talk about it because they have nothing to gain and much to lose from revealing the nature of their relationship with sponsors. I'd be interested to hear the details of Leviathan Group's relationship with gun companies, specifically AAC/PSA.
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Yes, the name does not help. Looking at their roster it seems like they got nearly everyone.

What partially stemmed the question was T-rex mentioned them in a post in passing - they ran a poll asking people if they thought "there's not enough disclosure/transparency in the community" - ; at least 6 of Leviathan brand influencers got real pissy in the comment section. It was the strangest thing I've seen in awhile, getting mad about disclosing relationships is a bad thing now?

Archie_Kimkicker said:
My knee-jerk reaction is that it is some kind of front for Peter Tiel dark money. The tell is when/if Leviathan-affiliated content creators start shilling psychedelics.
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You got to be on something to willingly go to Sonoran Desert Institute. Maybe that's actually a front for narcotics
 
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