Unpopular Opinions about Video Games

[MembersSchoolPizza]

It's exactly what its detractors say it is.

You basically admit that not only have you not played it, you basically know nothing about it. You're not even a detractor, just a heckler.

I don't remember gay marriage in any Ghibli film I ever saw.

I don't remember making that argument, either, but here we are.

Says the guy who's denying that a game that lets you fuck bears is appealing to furries.

Jump down past the next quote...

I didn't say that. What I said was that other RPGs were less explicit than BG3, which is correct. Mass Effect gives you a shot of a bare ass, ME2 and Witcher 1 pan out as the sex scene happens, KOTOR 1 and FNV black out the screen. Witcher 2 and 3, Cyberpunk, and Kingdom Come Deliverance are explicit, but that's not the norm. BG3 is more like the latter four than the other games.

You can't even keep your argument consistent within one paragraph. Unless you're going to heavily lean into being "technically correct" in that yes, BG3 is different from other RPGs, as in "there are RPGs that are different from BG3" and not the more common implication of that statement that BG3 is somehow unique.

The game designed that scene to appeal to furries, which is what I've been saying.

Penalty, goalpost moving. Now you've one from "the game appeals to" to "that scene appeals to".

I suppose that one small part of the game is designed for guys/gals with a fetish for dudes in metallic alien gimp suits. But most of the people who buy DOA for its aesthetics are men focusing on the girls with double-d mammaries. Which again, doesn't change the fact that the bear-fucking scene in BG3 was designed with furries in mind.

By your own logic, then, BG3 is a game that appeals to D&D fans and fans of turn-based roleplaying games, fantasy games in general, and possibly the Forgotten Realms, I guess, if anyone has little enough shame to admit to being a fan of that trainwreck of a setting, with one small part of the game designed for the very niche market of bear-fucking enthusiasts.

Glad we got that sorted out.

 

[Judge Dredd]

I think catering to women is what is happening.

Games have been trying to cater to women since PacMan at least. I don't know if true, but the brief for PacMan was "make a game women will like", and the dev thought about it a bit and decided women like eating. Other games like The Sims and Nintendogs were massive hits with women. And that's before we get to all those Barbie and horse riding games.

 

[The Ugly One]

Games have been trying to cater to women since PacMan at least. I don't know if true, but the brief for PacMan was "make a game women will like", and the dev thought about it a bit and decided women like eating. Other games like The Sims and Nintendogs were massive hits with women. And that's before we get to all those Barbie and horse riding games.

And nobody has ever cared when games for women get made. There are a fuckton of games for teenage girls on the Android store, guys don't get mad about this. Nobody playing Call of Duty was pissed off about Nintendogs existing. What is annoying to guys is when our favorite games get fucked up because we're not allowed to have things we like, because some nattering bluehaired cunt has declared that anything product women don't want to consume is automatically oppressing them just by existing, so now I can't even play a fucking WW2 shooter without nappy-haired negresses everywhere.

At least they haven't come for autism simulators...yet. (Not pictured: negresses)

 

[MembersSchoolPizza]

It is not hard to make games guys like. What happened is that, after the Great Awokening, all the libs who run things declared that it is bad, wicked, and immoral to make things guys like. If you make something that only guys like, you are oppressing and excluding women. You have to put a weird old lesbian in it or something so that you will not be accused of being wicked and hating women. That's what's wokeness is.

But it becomes a game of chasing artificial purity, sometimes.

Gender and race flipping historical NPCs is unquestionably woke bullshit. Forced inclusion and over-inclusion is woke. But having a black person, or having a gay person, doesn't make it woke by itself. Black people exist. Gay people exist. They can exist in a game, too. And I don't feel like those are controversial statements, but some people clearly disagree.

Of course, I recognize the trap in the other direction, too. It's not woke for any given game, show, commercial, whatever, to feature a black main character. When black main characters are represented far above their actual representation in the population, then it's woke.

But finding a clear test... Yeah, not going to happen.

So... I don't know.

 

[Poop A Loop]

That's why I'm cool with just using my gut. You can usually tell a game is woke because the stink is usually all over it even when they hide or otherwise don't emphasize the degeneracy. Most of the time you can use that feeling as justification to wait until the game comes out to see if you were right or to dive into the preview materials to see if the details of the game prove out your gut feeling about it.

It's okay to use your instincts. I feel like we've had almost a decade of this bullshit, which is long enough to develop a sense of when something's been pozzed too much for your tastes.

 

[The Ugly One]

That's why I'm cool with just using my gut. You can usually tell a game is woke because the stink is usually all over it even when they hide or otherwise don't emphasize the degeneracy. Most of the time you can use that feeling as justification to wait until the game comes out to see if you were right or to dive into the preview materials to see if the details of the game prove out your gut feeling about it.

It's okay to use your instincts. I feel like we've had almost a decade of this bullshit, which is long enough to develop a sense of when something's been pozzed too much for your tastes.

One obvious tell is if there is a black person on the cover, but it's not a game about something black people like, such as sports or committing crimes.

 

[Scarthew]

"Cartoony" doesn't mean "sloppy work." Every detail of this scene required human labor to create.

Yea but the texture work is simple, repeating, the character is mostly symmetrical and made of flat colors. They're not shaping every pore and hair on a realistic face for example. The trees, street, lamp posts are copy pasted not just here but several times through the whole game. I'm not saying sloppy just that you'd think it'd be simpler. Most ps2 games were made in 2-3 years. I guess I'm underestimating it but it just seems the timescale for games is closer to 8 years now on average.

 

[Judge Dredd]

I'm not saying sloppy just that you'd think it'd be simpler.

It can be.

Lets say you're making a leather jacket. For the AAA character, you'd want to spend longer on things like topology because the textures will be mostly materials. You might slap on a generic leather texture, and the folds would be baked into the model, so you'd need to carve out that detail without going over your polygon budget. For a PS1 game, the model of the jacket might be a block or tubes, but folds would be in the texture.

If you're using flat polygons, there's basically no texture work to be done, but that means you have to be deliberate with your designs because you can't rely on textures to carry you.

 

[Pissmaster]

Black people exist.

No they don't.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

You can't even keep your argument consistent within one paragraph. Unless you're going to heavily lean into being "technically correct" in that yes, BG3 is different from other RPGs, as in "there are RPGs that are different from BG3" and not the more common implication of that statement that BG3 is somehow unique.

You're basically misconstruing my arguments. Which means that you're not attacking my arguments, you're attacking a strawman of my arguments.

My argument is that BG3 appeals to furries by adding a scene where you fuck a bear. How does that exclude the game from appealing to other people?

Penalty, goalpost moving. Now you've one from "the game appeals to" to "that scene appeals to".

That scene is IN THE GAME. Which means it is part of the game. Which means that yes, the game does appeal to furries because it has a scene where you fuck a bear, just as how Mass Effect appeals to straight men because you have a scene where you fuck a woman, and a race of lesbian space elves who are attractive to men. Even though the Asari are just one species out of several, and the sex scene lasts a minute.

By your own logic, then, BG3 is a game that appeals to D&D fans and fans of turn-based roleplaying games, fantasy games in general, and possibly the Forgotten Realms, I guess, if anyone has little enough shame to admit to being a fan of that trainwreck of a setting, with one small part of the game designed for the very niche market of bear-fucking enthusiasts.

But the bear-fucking is still a part of the demographic the game appeals to, small or not. Just as how the sex scenes in Mass Effect appeal to straight men, even though they last less than a minute. Glad we got that sorted out.

 

[Rick The Stick]

This is the only possibly unpopular thing I'm gonna say about BG3. And it's all gonna be spergy

Spoiler: Autism

It's not AS woke as it's biggest detractors say it is. A lot of the woke shit is mostly background stuff that's easily ignored, and the only actual troon in the game is a one off character that is easily missed if you don't pursue a specific characters personal shit. And if you don't wanna be a faggot, then don't fuck the characters that would make your toon into one. That's it. That's the only unpopular thing I've got on the game. That most of the woke shit is basic bitch lip service to appeal to less than a fraction of the actual player base.
On the flip side, these things are so obnoxious and eye roll worthy it makes it worse imo.

Hamfisted dialog between gnomes about "you're my HUSBAND! Of course I'm worried". And throwaway letters between dyke lovers. As well as some side characters in act 2 who just so happens to be lesbians even though it serves no purpose to their role in the story at all, yet it's the only thing either of then have going for them as characters.

Half the face options for the non orc/lizard people being obvious nigger faces. The fact the default human preset for male and female are niggers. And seemingly half of all non goblin/orc/lizard npcs are niggers with fantasy skin tones.

Every single companion being "player sexual" because heaven forbid any of them have a preference. So they've all gotta be Bi which is something that's been a thing since dragon age: Origins except for the dwarf and Morrigan. Or maybe it was only Morrigan?

The literal tranny who, despite existing in a setting where magic can literally turn you into a true and honest whatever the fuck you want cause it's magic, is just a fucking man calling himself a woman. Voiced by an actual tranny.

The zoophile elf who likes turning into animals before fucking people. And the way the multiple companions are cool with cuck shit on top it all, particularly with this one elf.

The fucking "pronoun" bullshit even though it's a completely pointless addition and has no effect on anything, as well as the cock/pussy options AND the fact you can make some 8 foot tall hulk of a barbarian with a pussy or some tiny halfling chick with tits and your choice of cut or uncut cock. All so you can... idk. Run around the game naked since the sex scenes aren't nearly explicit enough to warrant fully modeled genital?. Which just proves it was only implemented to appeal to trannies and coomers.

And of course the fact that almost no one in the entire game even raises an eyebrow over anyone being a faggot. They'll shit talk you for being the wrong kind of elf, but faggotry as a whole is just widely accepted? Fuck off.


So yeah, the people who complain about the woke shit have more than enough stuff to point to when it comes to this game. Without even touching on the fact that BG3 isn't even close to the amazing, industry shaking successful breath of fresh air that's making every other dev shit and piss their pants in anger/fear. The game is an over hyped, mediocre/mid tier mess that's full of bugs and glitches that have apparently been around since early access. Which it was in for like 4 fucking years btw. But hey, you can call your female character a they and pick from as many cock options as you have face options and fuck a bear.

 

[MembersSchoolPizza]

That scene is IN THE GAME. Which means it is part of the game. Which means that yes, the game does appeal to furries because it has a scene where you fuck a bear, just as how Mass Effect appeals to straight men because you have a scene where you fuck a woman, and a race of lesbian space elves who are attractive to men. Even though the Asari are just one species out of several, and the sex scene lasts a minute.

The scifi nerd in me is sooo wanting to point out that ackshually, Asari aren't lesbians, they're not even really female. They're a mono-gender species. They seem to be attracted to anyone and anything, and their actual mechanism of reproduction is nebulous at best. They just happen to look and act like lesbian space elves.

That's an important difference. To someone, somewhere.

But the bear-fucking is still a part of the demographic the game appeals to, small or not. Just as how the sex scenes in Mass Effect appeal to straight men, even though they last less than a minute. Glad we got that sorted out.

If you're willing to settle for that, I will, although it does mean we have to agree that FF6 is marketed to opera fans and DOA is targeted at people who have a fetish for metallic alien space gimps.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

The scifi nerd in me is sooo wanting to point out that ackshually, Asari aren't lesbians, they're not even really female. They're a mono-gender species. They seem to be attracted to anyone and anything, and their actual mechanism of reproduction is nebulous at best. They just happen to look and act like lesbian space elves.

That's an important difference. To someone, somewhere.

That's the official science-babble reason. But anyone with eyes and ears know that's just an excuse to have a race of lesbian space elves who could somehow mate with each other and produce children.

If you're willing to settle for that, I will, although it does mean we have to agree that FF6 is marketed to opera fans and DOA is targeted at people who have a fetish for metallic alien space gimps.

Yes. That is something I will settle for. Opera/theatre fans would enjoy more than just the opera scene in FF6, I suppose, with how theatrical that game's story is, at least for its time.

 

[MembersSchoolPizza]

This is the only possibly unpopular thing I'm gonna say about BG3. And it's all gonna be spergy

Spoiler

Nocturne annoyed me, but I take solace in the fact that he/she is a member of a cult of semi-brainwashed followers of a cruel bitch-goddess of pain and lies. It seems fitting.

As far as the "And seemingly half of all non goblin/orc/lizard npcs are niggers with fantasy skin tones." thing... Don't you see the joke? That's exactly what they've claimed for years and they finally got a chance to disprove it, and... well, we got what we got. Although I don't know specifically which group you're referring to.

 

[DavidS877]

dragon age: Origins except for the dwarf and Morrigan. Or maybe it was only Morrigan?

Morrigan and Alistair are the straight options. Leliana and Zevran are the bisexuals.

The funny part is one of the possible endings requires Morrigan to be pregnant. Usually, even if not in a romance, this would be with your character. But as a female warden the game is smart enough to go "Oh, that doesn't work, I'll have to go bang Alistair"

 

[The Ugly One]

The scifi nerd in me is sooo wanting to point out that ackshually, Asari aren't lesbians, they're not even really female. They're a mono-gender species. They seem to be attracted to anyone and anything, and their actual mechanism of reproduction is nebulous at best. They just happen to look and act like lesbian space elves.

That's an important difference. To someone, somewhere.

"It's not my magical kingdom! You have to drink the orc's piss because that's just how orcs show respect in this setting!"

 

[huckbeine]

oooh, I'm gonna say it, I'm gonna say it. I'm gonna say my most controversial take....

I think Dreamcast is bad. and anyone that likes it is having some mental problems.

 

[Rick The Stick]

Morrigan and Alistair are the straight options. Leliana and Zevran are the bisexuals.

The funny part is one of the possible endings requires Morrigan to be pregnant. Usually, even if not in a romance, this would be with your character. But as a female warden the game is smart enough to go "Oh, that doesn't work, I'll have to go bang Alistair"

I could have sworn even Alistair was player sexual. But it's been a good 10 years since I played it so I could very well be wrong and retarded.

 

[Pissmaster]

If you're willing to settle for that, I will, although it does mean we have to agree that FF6 is marketed to opera fans and DOA is targeted at people who have a fetish for metallic alien space gimps.

I don't really know what to tell you if bestiality is right on par with a fun opera scene that's integral to the plot. That is some serious coomer logic.

The scifi nerd in me is sooo wanting to point out that ackshually, Asari aren't lesbians, they're not even really female. They're a mono-gender species. They seem to be attracted to anyone and anything, and their actual mechanism of reproduction is nebulous at best. They just happen to look and act like lesbian space elves.

That's an important difference. To someone, somewhere.

There's a good reason that "ackshually she's a 1,000 year old dragon that just happens to look like a 10 year-old girl in a skimpy bathing suit" is so widely considered to be repugnant that it's a meme.

I'm sure that in Star Trek, Betazoids have naked weddings entirely because of reasons of purity and acceptance and culture and shit, and not just because the writers liked thinking about Marina Sirtis naked.

 

[The Ugly One]

I don't really know what to tell you if bestiality is right on par with a fun opera scene that's integral to the plot. That is some serious coomer logic.

Listen, I have played a lot of games that would be improved by having a scene where you sodomize a bear.